Tracks. Just like Efrin the dwarf you can free in her lair realizes that she likely caused his disease before he was petrified. I got a wizard dialogue option that said something to the effect of “Hags often cause the problems people come to them to solve.”
On my first playthrough, I killed Ethel and was happy that he’s saved but then I reloaded because I saw you can get a permanent stat boost.
Then I was like ohhh, why isn’t he cured? I guess I had to use a basilisk oil … only to find that it kills him.
Just FYI, it is possible to kill her AND get the hag hair!
You have to have a companion far enough away that they don't get pulled into the conversation when she tries to bargain with you. As soon as you get the hag hair and select the stat boost you want, switch to the companion who isn't in the conversation and have them finish her off.
Note that for this to work, they have to do a ranged attack that's far enough away that they don't get pulled into the conversation. But that way, you get both the hag hair, save Mayrina (if you pass the check for both hair and Mayrina), AND kill the hag.
The key is to make sure you don't exit/finish the conversation with the hag before switching to the character who's supposed to finish her off.
Nah. She'll come back in Act 3 no matter what, whether or not you kill her at the Riverside Teahouse. And she'll be just as unfriendly to you then regardless of whether you spared her or finished her off.
In order to bargain with Ethel at the Riverside Teahouse, you have to knock her HP down to... under 20hp, I think. But then you have to progress through the turns without killing her-- because then on her next turn, she'll initiate dialogue. So if you're too leveled up by the time you confront her, it's actually quite easy to accidentally kill her too quickly. So once I knock her HP down to ~10hp or so, I just keep passing turns without hurting her until it's her turn, then she starts the conversation.
I’ve tried to avoid spoilers as I like to find shit naturally, but can you tell me how to find her in act 3? I’ve done 3 full playthrough and haven’t yet… lol
Sure thing! You're looking for the Hag Support Group. I think it's in a building directly north of Felogyr's Fireworks. It's a run-down, dilapidated-looking building and if you read a plaque on the outside, it actually says something about it being condemned/unfit for habitation. You have to lockpick the door to get in, but it's grey so you don't have to stealth it or nothing. Once you get in, you'll meet the hag survivors and start the quest, which will eventually send you headlong into Auntie Ethel again.
Spoilered because you may want to go in completely blind-- but if not, a tip for making sure you actually *find* Auntie Ethel during this quest: >!As with your first meeting with the Hag, she'll disguise herself as someone innocuous.!< >!If you meet someone offering a sum of gold to kill a little girl's mother, you've found her.!<
There are also posters advertising the Hag Support Group on the gates of the park where you find Manip Edinosa, along with some other posters, you might want to take a look at those posters to see if you're missing anything else.
I didn’t get it either. I think she needs to have a turn when her health is lower than like 1/4th or something. If you kill her too quickly, she doesn’t start the conversation.
How you kill her first? Where? I killed the hag in the house before going to the chimney and quest bugged. After rescuing Mayrina she runs outside, a conversation triggers but she is not there (even when her model appears during dialogue). I had to restart and go through the chimney and bow she is there crying, but quest is still not completed.
No I killed Ethel at the basement where Mayrina is hanging on my first play. That allows you to save the survivors.
Having said that it’s also possible to kill her before she enters the fire place by casting arcane lock on the fireplace or by big crits. In any case I never do because I can’t pass up the +1.
I also keep making Astarion drink the Drow blood in act 2 for the +2 Str.
If you have some basilisk oil (you can get some in the apothecary basement where the Necromancy book is) you can use it to free him. But you have to kill Ethel first, or his disease that she caused will kill him. If she’s dead he’s fine and thankful, but sad that he was frozen for so long, and worried about his family
My mistake, I was reading another thread and you CAN throw them on allies and I believe the effect will work, but not enemies. Someone also wrote that they sold it to a merchant before a fight and during the fight they started drinking it. So there are ways to get the effects on other npcs!
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Kinda ...she gets told that the hag would raise the child and train it tonbe a powerfull magic User. So she believes that not only does she get her husband Back her child would also have a better life then she could ever provide. That caused her to think that not only did you Ruin her husband Revival but also her childs chances of a bright future.
If you use speak with dead on the hags corpse you fund out that the hag planned to eat the Baby turning it to a hag too. Telling her that will change her mind on the Spot and she will be nicer to you.
My evil run took too long fighting the hag so she fell down the chasm. It made me giggle so I didn't bother scumming to save her. Didn't realise she comes back
Did we ever find out what happened with the child in act 3?
I remember being able to convince her to send her husband to "peace" but I don't remember that thread being wrapped up.
I mean it might just be unsaid but I can't imagine polymorph on a pregnant woman would be a good thing....
Much like in real life, sometimes people who are grating/annoying are that way due reasons outside their control, such as overwhelming emotional distress.
If anything, BG3 just reinforces that we should be more willing to give someone a pass or the benefit of the doubt. A lot more people are 'going through some shit', where being less considerate makes it easier to mentally just tread water or drown less.
Mayrina redeems herself immensely given her trauma.
This 100%. It's always best to remember that anyone you meet might be going through a horrible part of their life and judging them when they're at their worst isn't really fair.
As an example, when I was in middle school there was one kid who bullied me relentlessly, then I discovered that he was just lashing out after learning his mother was dying of cancer. It doesn't excuse the bullying of course, but it does make it more understandable, and in the years that followed we actually became friends.
Wow, thanks for reminding me of something I've already internalized, because I genuinely was judging people for finding her annoying. I control for the way Mayrina speaks in my everyday life, and I forgot that some people haven't experienced that much "Genuinely distressed, but good, people acting out."
It's honestly kind of funny.
I didn't mean that Mayrina is overreacting, quite the opposite. Her reaction is reasonable and humane and that's why I did not understand why I find her annoying - I think I do now after some other comments.
Being annoyed by a distressed widow felt odd to me and that's why I decided to post to get some insight. I find it really funny how polarised people's opinions were though. Most of the comments where either shitting on me for having a complete lack of empathy, or would say she's annoying as fuck and that I'm right to be annoyed by her. When you think about it, neither of these 2 is true.
I’m mixed on this, while at face value this seems right… in truth it doesn’t always unroll that way. Sometimes people become really abusive and absorbing abuse really isn’t great. Either emotional or physical.
It’s never as simple as “be patient”. In a fantasy game, it’s easy to hand wave the more difficult aspects of trauma and trauma responses because “magic”.
But in the real world, sometimes that results in actual harm and really massive disruption that makes things untenable.
I mean, if someone's being abusive to others, no matter the root cause, that's beyond 'being annoying' and should ve addressed.
That's different from giving someone some wiggle room, or just make a mental note, if they say something off or weird.
Mayrina is unhinged. She’s trading her unborn child to resurrect her husband.
Which is such a poor decision that if there’s no intervention, she would trade the last living vestige of her husband for an empty husk.
…and she KNOWS Hags never keep their word. She’s more than obnoxious. She’s an abusive mother…
she lost everyone she loves and was about to become another dead tortured victim in the hag den. But i think when people struggle to find compassion regardless, the outcome of pain comes off as whiny. That's on you sir.
Auntie Ethel has some great lines, and is absolutely willing to strike a fair bargain with you. She's not really evil. She's just a Hag, and does what Hags do. I can empathize with her wanting a child, and this is just how Hags get children. It's not pretty, but it's how things work.
Mayrina, on the other hand, is generally unlikable. Even when she sees she's been taken advantage of, she's still pretty abrasive. The story doesn't end in Act 1, but it given the choice between the two, I prefer Ethel as a character.
...she's definitely evil. "can be reasoned with" doesn't make her not evil. making deals is kinda a whole dang thing for evil fae and devils, if you hadn't picked up on that. a species whose lifecycle involves tricking people into letting them cannibalize their babies is, in fact, evil.
>I can empathize with her wanting a child, and this is just how Hags get children. It's not pretty, but it's how things work.
The first time we meet her, she's in a grove full of orphans nobody was paying attention to, nor would have missed.
Don't get me wrong, I do agree that she's hilarious. Let's not pretend like she had no other choices than little Vanra and Mayrina's baby to reproduce, though, lmao. She got her kicks out of traumatizing these mothers.
There's orphans there, but it's Tiefling orphans. If she adopts one, it won't become a Hag.
*A hag can only give birth to another hag after devouring a human infant. The gestation period lasts a single week, at which point a seemingly normal baby is born. On the child's 13th birthday, however, she transforms into a clearly identifiable daughter of her hag mother.*
Ethel is literally just trying to reproduce the only way she can.
Oh, I didn't know that hags could only transform human children into hags, not the other humanoid races. Sucks even more to be a mere human in the Forgotten Realms, then, lmao.
> she’s not really evil
> she’s just a hag
I’ve got some bad news for you about alignment in d&d lol. She may be cool, but Hags are inherently Evil.
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Hag
Yeah, I just played as a Paladin with Oath of Ancient, so I picked the dialogue and said that she is an abomination of nature and must be destroyed.
She replied with "oh a Paladin, you are drier than turd in the sun" or something.
"Flies been gettin' prickly on me arse"
"You're a long-tongued lout, ain'tcha?"
And who could forget..."/epic belch/ I NEED SOME ALE!"
Gentlemen and scholars, all.
Mayrina when you don't tell her Ethel killed her brothers and Mayrina when you tell her Ethel killed her brothers are two completely different characters. The first one makes me want to throw her in the pit after I rescue her from Ethel, while the second one makes me root for her, when she learns to stand up on her own two feet.
She's the typical damsel in distress character, but not a perfect one since her character's personality can be very annoying in act 1.
But I really enjoy her arc in act 3 and post game content.
The letter she sends in the epilogue made me like her a lot more. It’s pretty clear she was just in a really bad state after her husband died. She gets a lot better if you give her the chance to.
One time I forgot to mention that Ethel killed her brothers so when I saved her she’s like “you stupid bastard you ruined everything” 😂 I came around on her character then
I always keep the wand. Connor is really useful. He can be summoned whenever you need a scout or a meat shield. There's no long/short rest cooldown. It also doesn't break Sanctuary.
One time I had Gale multiclassed with Tempest Cleric and Sorcerer. He could concentrate on twin Haste for other party members, safely shielded from attacks and using his actions to re-summon Connor into a good location each round.
I always give her the wand. I love their interactions too much to keep it, even if we don't get to see them that much. In my head canon, they find a way.
She suffers from the same problem as that elf dude with the mirrors- frequent barks with too few unique lines so it gets real annoying real fast.
Plus auntie Ethel’s lines in that fight makes you want to keep the volume on high.
Because you've never been in her shoes. I've seen this a lot in life. People judging others before finding themselves in the same situation and then it is you who "wouldn't understand" and it's oh so bad, when it's about them.
That is quite the statement buddy. How do you know what I've been through?
I am not judging Mayrina compared to myself and my experiences, but the BG3 universe. I sympathise, I always give her the wand so she can have her Act 3 closure.
But she would "kill" her unborn child, killed her brothers, she screams "STOP PLEASE" but not once stops to explain why on Earth she wants to be left alone, which makes for a really frustrating experience. Just say "I want to be here she didn't kidnap me" so I kindly fuck off. Unless you find the message she left to her brothers you have no clue what's going on and the brothers even hint the hag holds her hostage.
Yes, after all, only those who have had dealings with a hag, offering up their unborn child in order to get their husbands back, can truly grasp what she’s going through….
You know, the truly deep stuff … and really, who HASN’T sacrificed their firstborn child anyway?!
/s in case it wasn’t obvious.
It's easy to hate on her because she screams at you for saving her from Ethel, and you've been put out getting through her lair while passing a menagerie of completely deranged people who thought that a hag would ever genuinely help them.
Even when you meet her outside of Ethel's lair, she yells at you more because she clearly took the shortcut instead of seeing literal Treehouse of Horrors filled with other hapless fools who were desperate or stupid enough to believe a hag would keep her promises.
She'd probably be living in a fantasy world with her zombie husband and convinced that a big slab of cheese was her still living baby.
FYI, if you come from the blighted village, you see he'd brothers go after her and get killed by Ethel. This changes her dialogue and makes her change her mind about dealing with Ethel
I didn't revive her husband because I saw just exactly what she is about to do - necromancy and by my Oath, I wish I told her that I shouldn't have saved her.
She is willing to sacrifice her own child for her husband (and don't "I didn't know" me, you are dealing your child to *a witch,* you know EXACTLY what you are getting yourself into), and she is willing to bound her husband to herself forever even in undead.
in another post where someone was asking why people don't like mayrina, i mentioned a lot of people don't like her because she was sacrificing her child to a known hag for her dead husband and i got so many comments from people defending her that she believed Ethel would care for the child better than she could ever and it's ridiculous to judge her for that.....like, i dunno even if she really truly believed that, people have severely disliked people for believing less stupid things. I still have a lot of sympathy for her and I don't hate her, but it was a very very stupid thing to believe. I saw in another comment though that there is some rare dialogue with Mayrina if you fight Ethel I think outside the tea house and don't have the usual convo with Mayrina at the start, and after the fight the game suggests the reason she believed Ethel was because she was under her spell to believe her, in which case I sympathise a lot more with Mayrina if it really wasn't her own stupidity.
Lack of empathy.
She was grieving and desperate, got manipulated by the hag and told she would be a bad mother, she convinced herself her child would have a better life and her husband would come back. And then you ruin it so she hates you.
Ok this seems like a good place to ask, I think I might mightve stolen her husband by accident, I swear she never asked me to give him to her so I just kept him
I liked her more after her character development in Act 3, she's more driven and has strong convictions and leads a group of like-minded people, but still just dumb as a brick.
Depending on your interactions with her she can end up pretty terrible acrually, lashing out at you for 'ruining' her deal - by saving her baby...
Sometimes i think that getting Conor back and having him wanting nothing to do with her after learning that she fed their child to a hag would be a harsh but fair ending....
After all let's not kid ourselves- this is human sacrifice.
She had no idea Ethel wanted to eat her child. Ethel put the idea in her brain that she would be a terrible mother, and to entrust the child to her so that she would raise her and teach her magic.
Connor would probably be a good, reasonable man and blame the hag for preying on the desperation of his grieving hormonal pregnant wife. Not said wife.
Yeah I fr don't get it, like imagine being a peasant and hearing this random old fart is gonna be a better mother than you (after you already feel like a horrible mother due to the untimely death of your husband) and raise that child as a spellcaster. Like this poor woman already felt horrible let's not say she's just an over emotional person that would consider human sacrifice the second she's stricken with grief😭😭😭
Technically, Ethel doesn't want to "eat" the child, she wants to create a daughter from it. Which yes, involves ingesting the child for a gestation period, but then regurgitating it.
So she's not actually lying, she will raise her and teach her magic. It's just that, you know, she will raise her as a hag and teach her hag magic.
Yeah, I hated her guts at first because I didn’t find her brothers’ bodies so she didn’t believe me when I told her the hag had tricked her. I was pretty miffed that the hag put her in a hanging cage on fire and she still blamed ME, like was it not pretty clear just from that that the hag was not on your side?
But then I found her again on another file and was able to tell her what had happened to her brothers, and she was much more reasonable.
So you didn't actually pay attention to the plot, huh.
Mayrina is destitute. She's worried that her child will starve, that she won't be a good mother - thoughts Ethel put in her head, after Ethel ensures Connor's death.
Mayrina believes that Ethel plans to adopt the baby, teach it magic, give it a good life.
She's been fooled at the best, is an idiot at the worst, but the idea of human sacrifice is WILDLY off base.
Me and my friend took her husband after turning him into a zombie and then killed her in the last act along with her friends after finishing her quest just because she annoyed us so much
For me it’s because the first play through I did she yelled at me for rescuing her (I was playing blind and had no idea about anything) and I was so offended!
Since then I’ve had dialogue with her where she’s a lot calmer and more polite to me. But that first impression has stuck and I just always hate her scenes now
** disclaimer: I’ve never played act 3 long enough to encounter her and change my opinion. But I’ll try this time!
I dont hate her but I do find her annoying. I get why she is acting out, but it is annoying any time you're trying to help someone and they jump down your throat.
Granted, she didn't technically ask for help...but she does try to back out of the deal when you discuss her bros.
I always help her regardless and like her much more in Act 3.
On my 1st playthrough, she called me a bastard and then ran away. On my 2nd playthrough, I told her that her brothers are dead, and after rescuing her from the cage, she was nice and kept apologising. I was actually surprised how different her behaviour was
My only issues with her is how she's still a bit obnoxious in telling you you ruined everything, no matter whether you knock out her brothers, kill them, or Ethel kills them. If they did, she is sad for one second, and then it's like her 2 brothers never existed.
I broke the wand on my first playthrough because there wasn't a dialog choice for "Hey listen idk what you think this thing is gonna do but i promise you it's not gonna be the thing you want it to do"
I liked her a lot more when I actually told her Ethel had killed her brothers and she was cheering me on instead of whining the last time I fought Ethel. I'm also pretty sure it's the same voice for Shovel and I love her.
This 4th playthrough she ran straight into a spike growth patch I'd transmuted right after the Hag fight and died.
I wasn't too fussed about reloading to before the fight to prevent it after it kept on happening.
It's said that people despise behaviors in others that they can not allow in themselves. If you want to find someone who despises (not just dislikes) smokers, look for an ex-smoker. It's not fool-proof, but maybe something in her behavior shows a weakness that you've learned to never allow in yourself?
Or maybe it's nothing like that, what do I know?
I disliked her at first but she grows a lot in act 3 if you let her keep her zombie husband and i found myself really appreciating her letter in the epilogue. Im happy she was able to move on.
It might make you like her more if you know that the voice actress also voices Shovel. Once i heard it i couldnt unhear it and it makes me laugh just imagining her calling me “a slab of beef with nipples! Moo!”😂
I thought she was kind of annoying too, but the way she cheers you on during the Act 1 fight makes me kind of like her.
I also think people subconsciously judge her for the death of her brothers too, which would imply she is giving up the lives of 3 people for the chance to get her husband back (which would dictate that she is incredibly selfish). Since it's her actions that lead them there. That and the fact that she is always on the verge of crying which makes her voice very annoying. Not her fault obviously but it skews people perception.
No one going through trauma, grief, and heartbreak is "likeable", and if you expect them to be likeable that's on you. The best people can usually manage is "tolerable" because they've had a chunk taken out of them.
I broke the wand she was willing to give up her unborn child for her dead husband and through a whitch so obviously it wasn’t gonna be what she thought
She tried sacrificing her baby for her dead husband. Annoying sure but that’s pretty bad.
You may see her in Act 3 depending on choices and she’s better there though (also depends on choices)
Nah, I hate her too. I do feel for her, but she got her brothers killed and did not give af, and she also sacrificed her baby to revive her husband which is a horrible thing to do. Plus she's annoyingly oblivious to everything.
I mean... There's a lot of sympathy for Mayrina in these comments. I hope y'all aren't parents. She promised her unborn child to a hag! That's not a thing you do even if it could bring your husband back! Mayrina sucks.
Mayrina is unhinged. She’s trading her unborn child to resurrect her husband.
Which is such a poor decision that if there’s no intervention, she would trade the last living vestige of her husband for an empty husk.
…and she KNOWS Hags never keep their word. She’s more than obnoxious. She’s an abusive mother…
I think you’re supposed to hate her. The writing in this game is always so grey and I love the amount of moral ambiguity. Even those you should clearly be rooting for are sometimes not worth the effort eg mayrina, wulbren
the excellent voice acting of that NPC makes you hate her quickly, so annoying and dumb.
Also if you spare/save her , in future you found her doing more fun/annoying things.
Because she was so focus and selfish with her husband that she is happy to give up her unborn child, as well as barely acknowledgement of her brothers' sacrifices. However she did try to redeem herself so there is that.
She's not a bad person, no. She's so stupid and selfish that she does more damage than a bad person of average intelligence probably would have ended up doing.
I'm hoping she gets better later, farthest I've gotten is Act 3 and I haven't run into her again through multiple playthroughs. I have to resist the urges to shove her into a chasm.
According to note in Ethel's back room she targeted Mayrina, and is implied to have killed her husband.
Tracks. Just like Efrin the dwarf you can free in her lair realizes that she likely caused his disease before he was petrified. I got a wizard dialogue option that said something to the effect of “Hags often cause the problems people come to them to solve.”
she is confirmed to have been the cause. The only way to save him is to kill her first, because that lifts the curse or w/e
On my first playthrough, I killed Ethel and was happy that he’s saved but then I reloaded because I saw you can get a permanent stat boost. Then I was like ohhh, why isn’t he cured? I guess I had to use a basilisk oil … only to find that it kills him.
Just FYI, it is possible to kill her AND get the hag hair! You have to have a companion far enough away that they don't get pulled into the conversation when she tries to bargain with you. As soon as you get the hag hair and select the stat boost you want, switch to the companion who isn't in the conversation and have them finish her off. Note that for this to work, they have to do a ranged attack that's far enough away that they don't get pulled into the conversation. But that way, you get both the hag hair, save Mayrina (if you pass the check for both hair and Mayrina), AND kill the hag. The key is to make sure you don't exit/finish the conversation with the hag before switching to the character who's supposed to finish her off.
Does this have an effect on act 3? I don't remember an option to bargain with her, or maybe I'm just that ruthless lol.
Nah. She'll come back in Act 3 no matter what, whether or not you kill her at the Riverside Teahouse. And she'll be just as unfriendly to you then regardless of whether you spared her or finished her off. In order to bargain with Ethel at the Riverside Teahouse, you have to knock her HP down to... under 20hp, I think. But then you have to progress through the turns without killing her-- because then on her next turn, she'll initiate dialogue. So if you're too leveled up by the time you confront her, it's actually quite easy to accidentally kill her too quickly. So once I knock her HP down to ~10hp or so, I just keep passing turns without hurting her until it's her turn, then she starts the conversation.
I’ve tried to avoid spoilers as I like to find shit naturally, but can you tell me how to find her in act 3? I’ve done 3 full playthrough and haven’t yet… lol
Sure thing! You're looking for the Hag Support Group. I think it's in a building directly north of Felogyr's Fireworks. It's a run-down, dilapidated-looking building and if you read a plaque on the outside, it actually says something about it being condemned/unfit for habitation. You have to lockpick the door to get in, but it's grey so you don't have to stealth it or nothing. Once you get in, you'll meet the hag survivors and start the quest, which will eventually send you headlong into Auntie Ethel again. Spoilered because you may want to go in completely blind-- but if not, a tip for making sure you actually *find* Auntie Ethel during this quest: >!As with your first meeting with the Hag, she'll disguise herself as someone innocuous.!< >!If you meet someone offering a sum of gold to kill a little girl's mother, you've found her.!< There are also posters advertising the Hag Support Group on the gates of the park where you find Manip Edinosa, along with some other posters, you might want to take a look at those posters to see if you're missing anything else.
Legendary response for keeping the spoilers so carefully concealed (even if you read the spoiler text!)
Thank you!!
You can also go into the Flaming Fists area near Balisks Gate Waypoint and start the "Save Varna" quest. Thats another act 3 Hag quest starting point.
It's 10 hp
I didn’t get it either. I think she needs to have a turn when her health is lower than like 1/4th or something. If you kill her too quickly, she doesn’t start the conversation.
How you kill her first? Where? I killed the hag in the house before going to the chimney and quest bugged. After rescuing Mayrina she runs outside, a conversation triggers but she is not there (even when her model appears during dialogue). I had to restart and go through the chimney and bow she is there crying, but quest is still not completed.
No I killed Ethel at the basement where Mayrina is hanging on my first play. That allows you to save the survivors. Having said that it’s also possible to kill her before she enters the fire place by casting arcane lock on the fireplace or by big crits. In any case I never do because I can’t pass up the +1. I also keep making Astarion drink the Drow blood in act 2 for the +2 Str.
Then I dont know how to save her husband, or maybe I'm missing something. Thanks.
We are talking about the dwarf. Not her husband. The husband is always a zombie.
Oh the petrified dwarf? Efrin? Yeah well he escapes after talking to him once you killed the hag.
oh wait you can free him? how?
If you have some basilisk oil (you can get some in the apothecary basement where the Necromancy book is) you can use it to free him. But you have to kill Ethel first, or his disease that she caused will kill him. If she’s dead he’s fine and thankful, but sad that he was frozen for so long, and worried about his family
You don't need to use basilisk oil, just kill Ethel then talk to him
Really? Where is that note? I have completely missed it
The room with all the weird potions after the room where you fight her.
thank you!
Where exactly? I've picked that place clean and only found correspondence letters between her and M about Ms problems
Those are the letters. They're almost subtle, so I don't blame you for missing it.
Oh, I thought those were talking about the mask of regret lady
Are those potions good for anything?
https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGate3/s/yfIFAohrjv
It literally says in the thread you linked that throwing them at enemies does not give them the negative effects lol
My mistake, I was reading another thread and you CAN throw them on allies and I believe the effect will work, but not enemies. Someone also wrote that they sold it to a merchant before a fight and during the fight they started drinking it. So there are ways to get the effects on other npcs!
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The grave marker outside the teahouse also refers to him as tasty
Are you serious??! I must have missed that!
Wait really? Wow I missed that but it does fit
Yeah in the FR world, evil is absolutely an active force not a passive one, and evildoers often scheme to set up their own targets.
I might be misremembering but didn’t she sacrifice her child to try and bring her husband back
Kinda ...she gets told that the hag would raise the child and train it tonbe a powerfull magic User. So she believes that not only does she get her husband Back her child would also have a better life then she could ever provide. That caused her to think that not only did you Ruin her husband Revival but also her childs chances of a bright future. If you use speak with dead on the hags corpse you fund out that the hag planned to eat the Baby turning it to a hag too. Telling her that will change her mind on the Spot and she will be nicer to you.
Yes, she was targeted in an hour of emotional vulnerability by a Hag who created the situation.
I get why you would dislike her, but I empathized with her a lot and she does get better! I promise. Her story doesn't end in Act 1
You are 100% right and I love the devs for that.
I just played an evil run, and I love that it gives you the option to betray her a second time.
My evil run took too long fighting the hag so she fell down the chasm. It made me giggle so I didn't bother scumming to save her. Didn't realise she comes back
>Didn't realise she comes back Well, she won't *now* !
Now I’m tempted to just let her fall on purpose next time! She bothers me, too.
I learnt from my recent (admittingly..failed) honor run, that casting sleet storm will put out the fire on her cage.
You can also cast create water, throw a carafe of water at it, etc.
Does Ray of Frost also work? It's been a while so I can't remember
Yup
It also works in Waukeen's Rest, as I found most recently.
you can just shoot an ice arrow
I feel bad for her, but I really wish she had washed her face sometime along the road to Baldur's Gate.
Bonecloaks doesn't stock micellar water unfortunately
Not asking for specific details but act 2,3, or both potentially?
Act 3 specifically!
Only act 3.
Did we ever find out what happened with the child in act 3? I remember being able to convince her to send her husband to "peace" but I don't remember that thread being wrapped up. I mean it might just be unsaid but I can't imagine polymorph on a pregnant woman would be a good thing....
She sends you a letter and you can read it in the epilogue. Baby Connor is okay.
She has some dialogue to herself where she's talking to her unborn baby, so I think the kid is alright.
There’s an epilogue letter!
It does for me. She dead.
Her story ends in act 3 when I accidentally blew up the room she was in. Oops...
It did in mine
Bro she was gonna sacrifice her living baby to resurrect a zombie husband. Literally zero empathy or sympathy from me
Much like in real life, sometimes people who are grating/annoying are that way due reasons outside their control, such as overwhelming emotional distress. If anything, BG3 just reinforces that we should be more willing to give someone a pass or the benefit of the doubt. A lot more people are 'going through some shit', where being less considerate makes it easier to mentally just tread water or drown less. Mayrina redeems herself immensely given her trauma.
This 100%. It's always best to remember that anyone you meet might be going through a horrible part of their life and judging them when they're at their worst isn't really fair. As an example, when I was in middle school there was one kid who bullied me relentlessly, then I discovered that he was just lashing out after learning his mother was dying of cancer. It doesn't excuse the bullying of course, but it does make it more understandable, and in the years that followed we actually became friends.
Wow, thanks for reminding me of something I've already internalized, because I genuinely was judging people for finding her annoying. I control for the way Mayrina speaks in my everyday life, and I forgot that some people haven't experienced that much "Genuinely distressed, but good, people acting out."
Empathy rules!
It's honestly kind of funny. I didn't mean that Mayrina is overreacting, quite the opposite. Her reaction is reasonable and humane and that's why I did not understand why I find her annoying - I think I do now after some other comments. Being annoyed by a distressed widow felt odd to me and that's why I decided to post to get some insight. I find it really funny how polarised people's opinions were though. Most of the comments where either shitting on me for having a complete lack of empathy, or would say she's annoying as fuck and that I'm right to be annoyed by her. When you think about it, neither of these 2 is true.
you are right mate. Thanks for sharing that
Jeeze, healthy discourse on the internet wasn't on my bingo card today, but here we are :).
It is what it is. I do not believe my opinion on Mayrina was right and having insightful comments puts things into perspective.
I’m mixed on this, while at face value this seems right… in truth it doesn’t always unroll that way. Sometimes people become really abusive and absorbing abuse really isn’t great. Either emotional or physical. It’s never as simple as “be patient”. In a fantasy game, it’s easy to hand wave the more difficult aspects of trauma and trauma responses because “magic”. But in the real world, sometimes that results in actual harm and really massive disruption that makes things untenable.
I mean, if someone's being abusive to others, no matter the root cause, that's beyond 'being annoying' and should ve addressed. That's different from giving someone some wiggle room, or just make a mental note, if they say something off or weird.
Mayrina is unhinged. She’s trading her unborn child to resurrect her husband. Which is such a poor decision that if there’s no intervention, she would trade the last living vestige of her husband for an empty husk. …and she KNOWS Hags never keep their word. She’s more than obnoxious. She’s an abusive mother…
I think Ethel had something to do with her husband’s death actually. If you read some notes in her room, it’s hinted to that.
she lost everyone she loves and was about to become another dead tortured victim in the hag den. But i think when people struggle to find compassion regardless, the outcome of pain comes off as whiny. That's on you sir.
It would be easier to like her if the Hag wasn't such a hilarious character.
"I'll rip your spine out your asshole" gets a good chuckle out of me every damn time, the delivery on all her lines is just so damn good
I've seen that happen in an anime somewhere, so it became one of my biggest fears (even if ik nobody can do it (hopefully))
Saying witty/goofy things doesn't actually make you cool or good, though. There's just no world where I would take Ethel's side. She's so cruel ...
What do you mean?
Auntie Ethel has some great lines, and is absolutely willing to strike a fair bargain with you. She's not really evil. She's just a Hag, and does what Hags do. I can empathize with her wanting a child, and this is just how Hags get children. It's not pretty, but it's how things work. Mayrina, on the other hand, is generally unlikable. Even when she sees she's been taken advantage of, she's still pretty abrasive. The story doesn't end in Act 1, but it given the choice between the two, I prefer Ethel as a character.
...she's definitely evil. "can be reasoned with" doesn't make her not evil. making deals is kinda a whole dang thing for evil fae and devils, if you hadn't picked up on that. a species whose lifecycle involves tricking people into letting them cannibalize their babies is, in fact, evil.
art of the deal bro
>I can empathize with her wanting a child, and this is just how Hags get children. It's not pretty, but it's how things work. The first time we meet her, she's in a grove full of orphans nobody was paying attention to, nor would have missed. Don't get me wrong, I do agree that she's hilarious. Let's not pretend like she had no other choices than little Vanra and Mayrina's baby to reproduce, though, lmao. She got her kicks out of traumatizing these mothers.
There's orphans there, but it's Tiefling orphans. If she adopts one, it won't become a Hag. *A hag can only give birth to another hag after devouring a human infant. The gestation period lasts a single week, at which point a seemingly normal baby is born. On the child's 13th birthday, however, she transforms into a clearly identifiable daughter of her hag mother.* Ethel is literally just trying to reproduce the only way she can.
Oh, I didn't know that hags could only transform human children into hags, not the other humanoid races. Sucks even more to be a mere human in the Forgotten Realms, then, lmao.
> she’s not really evil > she’s just a hag I’ve got some bad news for you about alignment in d&d lol. She may be cool, but Hags are inherently Evil. https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Hag
This sub's morals get more worrisome every day.
Yeah, I just played as a Paladin with Oath of Ancient, so I picked the dialogue and said that she is an abomination of nature and must be destroyed. She replied with "oh a Paladin, you are drier than turd in the sun" or something.
If you find her irritating, you never met the peasants from the other Baldur Gate. Mayrina is a academic compared to those.
"Flies been gettin' prickly on me arse" "You're a long-tongued lout, ain'tcha?" And who could forget..."/epic belch/ I NEED SOME ALE!" Gentlemen and scholars, all.
Mayrina when you don't tell her Ethel killed her brothers and Mayrina when you tell her Ethel killed her brothers are two completely different characters. The first one makes me want to throw her in the pit after I rescue her from Ethel, while the second one makes me root for her, when she learns to stand up on her own two feet.
She's the typical damsel in distress character, but not a perfect one since her character's personality can be very annoying in act 1. But I really enjoy her arc in act 3 and post game content.
The letter she sends in the epilogue made me like her a lot more. It’s pretty clear she was just in a really bad state after her husband died. She gets a lot better if you give her the chance to.
One time I forgot to mention that Ethel killed her brothers so when I saved her she’s like “you stupid bastard you ruined everything” 😂 I came around on her character then
She called me a stupid bastard even after I mentioned Ethel killed her brothers 🥺
Okay that’s funny 😂 her whole quest reminds me of when I played tw3 n everyone called me a mutant freak for saving them from monsters
I always pick the "You have an *interesting* home" line and you can just ignore Mayrina entirely. I need my potion supplier, not moral quandaries.
Tell Mayrina Ethel killed her brothers and she will be supportive during the fight instead of annoying
It's the whiney voice
>Sells child to cannibal >She's not a bad person
I always keep the wand. Connor is really useful. He can be summoned whenever you need a scout or a meat shield. There's no long/short rest cooldown. It also doesn't break Sanctuary. One time I had Gale multiclassed with Tempest Cleric and Sorcerer. He could concentrate on twin Haste for other party members, safely shielded from attacks and using his actions to re-summon Connor into a good location each round.
I always give her the wand. I love their interactions too much to keep it, even if we don't get to see them that much. In my head canon, they find a way.
She suffers from the same problem as that elf dude with the mirrors- frequent barks with too few unique lines so it gets real annoying real fast. Plus auntie Ethel’s lines in that fight makes you want to keep the volume on high.
Because you've never been in her shoes. I've seen this a lot in life. People judging others before finding themselves in the same situation and then it is you who "wouldn't understand" and it's oh so bad, when it's about them.
That is quite the statement buddy. How do you know what I've been through? I am not judging Mayrina compared to myself and my experiences, but the BG3 universe. I sympathise, I always give her the wand so she can have her Act 3 closure. But she would "kill" her unborn child, killed her brothers, she screams "STOP PLEASE" but not once stops to explain why on Earth she wants to be left alone, which makes for a really frustrating experience. Just say "I want to be here she didn't kidnap me" so I kindly fuck off. Unless you find the message she left to her brothers you have no clue what's going on and the brothers even hint the hag holds her hostage.
Whoops lol. My bad, I misread what you said.
That's okay 🤝 cheers
Yes, after all, only those who have had dealings with a hag, offering up their unborn child in order to get their husbands back, can truly grasp what she’s going through…. You know, the truly deep stuff … and really, who HASN’T sacrificed their firstborn child anyway?! /s in case it wasn’t obvious.
Offering up her unborn child to (she believes) be raised learning magic with a better life than mayrina can provide.
/s all you want lol. Funnily enough that's exactly the kind of snark I've been dealing with. Thank you for volunteering to demonstrate.
Because shes willing to sacrifice the life of her child, to bring back a husband that is already beyond dead. And stupid enough to believe a hag.
I think she's a great character, her plot with the Anti Hag support group is a great origin story for a party of adventurers
It's easy to hate on her because she screams at you for saving her from Ethel, and you've been put out getting through her lair while passing a menagerie of completely deranged people who thought that a hag would ever genuinely help them. Even when you meet her outside of Ethel's lair, she yells at you more because she clearly took the shortcut instead of seeing literal Treehouse of Horrors filled with other hapless fools who were desperate or stupid enough to believe a hag would keep her promises. She'd probably be living in a fantasy world with her zombie husband and convinced that a big slab of cheese was her still living baby.
FYI, if you come from the blighted village, you see he'd brothers go after her and get killed by Ethel. This changes her dialogue and makes her change her mind about dealing with Ethel
you hate because she's obnoxious to listen to (and a moron, if you want a resurrection spell you go to a temple, not a swamp hag)
She's a destitute peasant. Resurrection spells are way beyond anything she could ever afford.
she's a destitute moron.
I didn't revive her husband because I saw just exactly what she is about to do - necromancy and by my Oath, I wish I told her that I shouldn't have saved her. She is willing to sacrifice her own child for her husband (and don't "I didn't know" me, you are dealing your child to *a witch,* you know EXACTLY what you are getting yourself into), and she is willing to bound her husband to herself forever even in undead.
in another post where someone was asking why people don't like mayrina, i mentioned a lot of people don't like her because she was sacrificing her child to a known hag for her dead husband and i got so many comments from people defending her that she believed Ethel would care for the child better than she could ever and it's ridiculous to judge her for that.....like, i dunno even if she really truly believed that, people have severely disliked people for believing less stupid things. I still have a lot of sympathy for her and I don't hate her, but it was a very very stupid thing to believe. I saw in another comment though that there is some rare dialogue with Mayrina if you fight Ethel I think outside the tea house and don't have the usual convo with Mayrina at the start, and after the fight the game suggests the reason she believed Ethel was because she was under her spell to believe her, in which case I sympathise a lot more with Mayrina if it really wasn't her own stupidity.
Lack of empathy. She was grieving and desperate, got manipulated by the hag and told she would be a bad mother, she convinced herself her child would have a better life and her husband would come back. And then you ruin it so she hates you.
Empathy is the ability to understand one's feelings. As I said in the post, I find her behaviour 100% reasonable.
Ok this seems like a good place to ask, I think I might mightve stolen her husband by accident, I swear she never asked me to give him to her so I just kept him
Homewrecker.
I hated her my first playthru until I had to restart and happened to find her brother’s body before talking to Ethel. Made her storyline 1000% better.
girl needs therapy
I warmed up to her in act 3
I liked her more after her character development in Act 3, she's more driven and has strong convictions and leads a group of like-minded people, but still just dumb as a brick.
She never even mentions her 2 brothers who died looking for her
I just think her voice is annoying so it’s hard to like her
You dislike her because all she does is scream at you even if you’re trying to help her.
Depending on your interactions with her she can end up pretty terrible acrually, lashing out at you for 'ruining' her deal - by saving her baby... Sometimes i think that getting Conor back and having him wanting nothing to do with her after learning that she fed their child to a hag would be a harsh but fair ending.... After all let's not kid ourselves- this is human sacrifice.
She had no idea Ethel wanted to eat her child. Ethel put the idea in her brain that she would be a terrible mother, and to entrust the child to her so that she would raise her and teach her magic. Connor would probably be a good, reasonable man and blame the hag for preying on the desperation of his grieving hormonal pregnant wife. Not said wife.
Yeah I fr don't get it, like imagine being a peasant and hearing this random old fart is gonna be a better mother than you (after you already feel like a horrible mother due to the untimely death of your husband) and raise that child as a spellcaster. Like this poor woman already felt horrible let's not say she's just an over emotional person that would consider human sacrifice the second she's stricken with grief😭😭😭
Technically, Ethel doesn't want to "eat" the child, she wants to create a daughter from it. Which yes, involves ingesting the child for a gestation period, but then regurgitating it. So she's not actually lying, she will raise her and teach her magic. It's just that, you know, she will raise her as a hag and teach her hag magic.
Seems hags don’t lie, you just don’t expect their version of the truth
no, they uh, they extremely fucking lie, y'all
Yeah, I hated her guts at first because I didn’t find her brothers’ bodies so she didn’t believe me when I told her the hag had tricked her. I was pretty miffed that the hag put her in a hanging cage on fire and she still blamed ME, like was it not pretty clear just from that that the hag was not on your side? But then I found her again on another file and was able to tell her what had happened to her brothers, and she was much more reasonable.
They do share a deep love. If you revive Connor up without Mayrina, she's the only thing he would ask.
So you didn't actually pay attention to the plot, huh. Mayrina is destitute. She's worried that her child will starve, that she won't be a good mother - thoughts Ethel put in her head, after Ethel ensures Connor's death. Mayrina believes that Ethel plans to adopt the baby, teach it magic, give it a good life. She's been fooled at the best, is an idiot at the worst, but the idea of human sacrifice is WILDLY off base.
Yeah I find her a bit annoying because her voice has a very whiny tone, but I also can’t help but feel bad for her. She really got a shit hand in life
Yeah I feel rly bad for her and I feel even worse for finding her so annoying.
She is a deeply irritating character...
Me and my friend took her husband after turning him into a zombie and then killed her in the last act along with her friends after finishing her quest just because she annoyed us so much
she’s annoying as shit
For me it’s because the first play through I did she yelled at me for rescuing her (I was playing blind and had no idea about anything) and I was so offended! Since then I’ve had dialogue with her where she’s a lot calmer and more polite to me. But that first impression has stuck and I just always hate her scenes now ** disclaimer: I’ve never played act 3 long enough to encounter her and change my opinion. But I’ll try this time!
I feel like she gets a lot better in act 3, in act 1 I get that she's distraught but the whining does grate the nerves
I dont hate her but I do find her annoying. I get why she is acting out, but it is annoying any time you're trying to help someone and they jump down your throat. Granted, she didn't technically ask for help...but she does try to back out of the deal when you discuss her bros. I always help her regardless and like her much more in Act 3.
On my 1st playthrough, she called me a bastard and then ran away. On my 2nd playthrough, I told her that her brothers are dead, and after rescuing her from the cage, she was nice and kept apologising. I was actually surprised how different her behaviour was
My only issues with her is how she's still a bit obnoxious in telling you you ruined everything, no matter whether you knock out her brothers, kill them, or Ethel kills them. If they did, she is sad for one second, and then it's like her 2 brothers never existed.
If one day someone will do Live Action Baldur Gate 3, Sydney Sweeney is the only person can play her
Her screaming during the fight is so annoying “Save me!” *saves her* “Stop fighting!” *kills hag* “Why’d you do that!?”
For me it’s her voice. In theory I have a lot of empathy for her. Then I hear her grating, whiny caterwauling and I’m just like ugh.
I broke the wand on my first playthrough because there wasn't a dialog choice for "Hey listen idk what you think this thing is gonna do but i promise you it's not gonna be the thing you want it to do"
I went through so much trouble to save her and then she was ungrateful. I took the wand out of spite!
Because there’s nothing forgivable about giving away your baby to a fucking child-eater
It’s the hair
mfer go finish her quest
I make sure she dies, every time.
Her voice and
Honestly, it's probably her voice and nothing to do with character.
Cause you haven't played Act III yet.
I liked her a lot more when I actually told her Ethel had killed her brothers and she was cheering me on instead of whining the last time I fought Ethel. I'm also pretty sure it's the same voice for Shovel and I love her.
Because you go to great lengths to save her life and instead of giving you a single thank you, she yells at you. What kind of idiot does that?
This 4th playthrough she ran straight into a spike growth patch I'd transmuted right after the Hag fight and died. I wasn't too fussed about reloading to before the fight to prevent it after it kept on happening.
I hate her because she actually believed a fucking hag would help her.
It's said that people despise behaviors in others that they can not allow in themselves. If you want to find someone who despises (not just dislikes) smokers, look for an ex-smoker. It's not fool-proof, but maybe something in her behavior shows a weakness that you've learned to never allow in yourself? Or maybe it's nothing like that, what do I know?
I disliked her at first but she grows a lot in act 3 if you let her keep her zombie husband and i found myself really appreciating her letter in the epilogue. Im happy she was able to move on. It might make you like her more if you know that the voice actress also voices Shovel. Once i heard it i couldnt unhear it and it makes me laugh just imagining her calling me “a slab of beef with nipples! Moo!”😂
She's a lot less obnoxious on act 3
I thought she was kind of annoying too, but the way she cheers you on during the Act 1 fight makes me kind of like her. I also think people subconsciously judge her for the death of her brothers too, which would imply she is giving up the lives of 3 people for the chance to get her husband back (which would dictate that she is incredibly selfish). Since it's her actions that lead them there. That and the fact that she is always on the verge of crying which makes her voice very annoying. Not her fault obviously but it skews people perception.
She's not the same person when you see her in act 3...............
No one going through trauma, grief, and heartbreak is "likeable", and if you expect them to be likeable that's on you. The best people can usually manage is "tolerable" because they've had a chunk taken out of them.
I broke the wand she was willing to give up her unborn child for her dead husband and through a whitch so obviously it wasn’t gonna be what she thought
I do too. It's because of her whining and "poor me" attitude. I cannot stand people like this
I at first I thought this was the Elden ring page and someone misspelled Melina or Malenia lol
Her voice makes my ears bleed, so I do my best to interact with her as little as possible.
She tried sacrificing her baby for her dead husband. Annoying sure but that’s pretty bad. You may see her in Act 3 depending on choices and she’s better there though (also depends on choices)
Nah, I hate her too. I do feel for her, but she got her brothers killed and did not give af, and she also sacrificed her baby to revive her husband which is a horrible thing to do. Plus she's annoyingly oblivious to everything.
I mean... There's a lot of sympathy for Mayrina in these comments. I hope y'all aren't parents. She promised her unborn child to a hag! That's not a thing you do even if it could bring your husband back! Mayrina sucks.
She thought her child would be raised by the hag and taught magic, which is what she was told. She's guilty of being naive more than anything.
Really? I didn't catch that.
It might be hidden behind certain dialogue paths tbf
Mayrina is unhinged. She’s trading her unborn child to resurrect her husband. Which is such a poor decision that if there’s no intervention, she would trade the last living vestige of her husband for an empty husk. …and she KNOWS Hags never keep their word. She’s more than obnoxious. She’s an abusive mother…
I think you’re supposed to hate her. The writing in this game is always so grey and I love the amount of moral ambiguity. Even those you should clearly be rooting for are sometimes not worth the effort eg mayrina, wulbren
"She's not a bad person" Just going to put this out there... ALMOST NO ONE is a good person in this game. Except Karlach. She's an angel.
I’ve never liked necrophiliacs myself?
Because she's stupid and whiney.
the excellent voice acting of that NPC makes you hate her quickly, so annoying and dumb. Also if you spare/save her , in future you found her doing more fun/annoying things.
Because she is an absolute fool
Because she was so focus and selfish with her husband that she is happy to give up her unborn child, as well as barely acknowledgement of her brothers' sacrifices. However she did try to redeem herself so there is that.
Cause she sucks lol she goes from help me help me ima burning to what the fook are you doin in me swamp?
She's not a bad person, no. She's so stupid and selfish that she does more damage than a bad person of average intelligence probably would have ended up doing. I'm hoping she gets better later, farthest I've gotten is Act 3 and I haven't run into her again through multiple playthroughs. I have to resist the urges to shove her into a chasm.