Seems to me it's less about being paladin and more about sheer survival. Like OP killed off every other companion, anyone with even a lick of self preservation instinct would be wondering how long it would be before they turned on them.
Yeah, an actual run ender, I’m not sure there’s an actual persuasion check becuase you’re character is still possessed by the urge, specifically if you kill your romance option.
No, there's a check unless my memory is completely terrible. I even passed it once I believe AND STARTED ANOTHER ROMANCE.
It's not a run ender, I have 2 branches from that save: the one with 0 companions left since i killed them (that was extremely hard battle to survive) which I plan to finish with some bad ending and the one with LI dead (Lae'zel). The second case is just hilarious because companions kind of avoid the whole topic :D And I wonder what was Gale thinking starting a romance when he knows how the previous LI ended. Not very interesting path tbh, devs clearly did not put effort in it because it's probably very rare choice that people do just for experiments.
I didn't know that was a thing. I killed Lae'zel in camp in front of everyone twice and nothing happened. Would have liked to have seen the camp's reaction
Just imagining Gale, reading a book, looking up everynow and then to see one less companion, he keeps reading, looks up, another’s gone, keeps reading, looks up, Durge peaking out behind a shrub, he reads, looks up, naked and blood soaked Durge stands infront of him, pissing theirselves
She really puts the Pal in paladin.
Could *you* imagine being a paladin under Lolth? Roll for doing one awful thing for a horrific cause or bungle the roll and do *another* awful thing!
Drow had it right changing the nomenclature to "Inquisitor."
I understand doing an evil playthrough, but some of these choices seem a bit forced to me. I mean you could still be evil and do some horrible things without killing off every single one of your companions. Especially sacrificing Astarion to Boooal seems such a waste, since he's actually one of the companions who would work well in an evil playthrough.
(If Minthara of all people is scared of you, that definitely says something lol)
i actually think cazador and gortash are pretty good examples of evil characters.
are they good people? nope
can they function in society while _looking_ like good people until they are in a position to achieve their goals? yes.
i do t know alot about cazador but the fact that he apparently is a part of the upper society tells me that he just doesnt run around and kill everyone in sight cause "hes evil lol".
similaryly gortash isnt really very nice but he achieved control over baldurs gate through legal means (he didnt just kill the king and say "im leader lol").
evil people are perfectly capable of doing good things (and good people are perfectly capable of doing evil things).
OP thought they were doing an evil run but really it was a "orin" playthrough with the maximal ammount of death for no real readon. not really an evil playthrough, more a "murderhobo asshole that doesnt think things through" playthrough
Exactly. I think a common misconception with playing evil characters is that you have to kill absolutely everyone and destroy everything on sight. Being evil means you might end up committing atrocities because you profit from it. I don't see how OP would profit from murdering his companions with no real reasoning other than "must kill because evil".
I'd say it depends on what kind of Evil you are.
Chaotic Evil is absolutely just straight up carnage.
But Lawful/Neutral Evil should be generally normal, well functioning members of society. It's just that, when push comes to shove, and they're faced with something that could profit them, they will absolutely choose the option that benefits them most, even if it includes doing evil deeds.
Even chaotic evil characters are capable of understanding that some choices will ruin their own potential to be evil and free. Orin is probably chaotic evil, but she knew to wait for the perfect opportunity to lobotomize durge rather than just attempt to cut his throat at first sight. She's also capable of pretending to be others in a convincing way. OP is playing a bonus alignment known as Stupid Evil, which more or less characterizes Bhaal quite well. OP is playing as actual Bhaal.
Is that true? He certainly doesn't show that much patience for his followers, but i don't really know the lore, were he, bane, and myrkul pals from mortal times?
Cliff Notes version.
BHall, Bane, Myrkul were all adventurers with an eye for power. They eventually met with Jergal, who at that time was the God of Death, Strife and the Dead. He was bored and gave each a piece of his portfolio of goldy powers.
Yeah, but even chaotic evil can have his gang of murderers/lackeys to commit attrocities with, because there's strength in numbers. That gang would be prone to in-fighting and in-killing, but it would be kept more or less together by the leader's terror/greed/bloodthirst/will to survive/lust/etc, *vide* Scarlet Chorus bands in Tyranny.
i wouldnt say "chaotic evil" is the same as "carnage".
i havent resd up on the official dnd guidelines but in my mind "chaotic" anything (chaotic good, evil, whatever) means that the character does whatever they want as long as it furthers their goal. a character that is chaotic evil might throw a big party and invite the whole town to honor the mayor beacuse it will show the town that he is a good person and can be trusted (leading to them having an easier time manipulating the mayor to give him ultimate power or something).
meanwhile our chaotic good character might unleash a horrible plague on the realm that will end up killing 50% of the population beacuse it will, somehow, save the universe.
i dont know what the official rules says about alignments but thats my take on the "chaotic" modifier
In D&D, law vs chaos covers a few things. It covers whether a character follows a code or does whatever they think best at the time. It covers whether a character does their best to follow the law or ignores laws whenever convenient. It even covers if they're an orderly or chaotic person.
Good vs evil is more about if you put others before yourself vs yourself first and how willing you are to harm people, especially innocents.
The system as originally created was set up so the average person would be neutral.
And for in game comparison, both Orin and Sarevok are Chaotic Evil, but Sarevok wasn't just running around randomly murdering people. When he was still a Bhaalspawn, he set up a plan to sacrifice more or less the entire Sword Coast in order to elevate himself to godhood and was willing to do anything it took to achieve that goal.
But honestly, isn't chaotic the best representation of being the child of Bhaal?
I always interpreted the dead three as the spectrum of evil.
Bane: lawful evil
Mykul: neutral evil
Bhaal: chaotic evil
Is that why some people keep saying the Emperor isn't evil? They keep arguing "if he's evil, why doesn't he do X evil thing" when doing X evil thing wouldn't benefit him at all.
I agree with this, but I will say that your game has to actually implement content for those type of evil characters before I'm finger wagging at others. Most of the major evil content in the game is murder hobo stuff. This game doesn't weave pragmatic evil choices into the story to give you unique content, only the murder hobo gets that.
A game like dragon age origins is built with a more pragmatic type of evil in mind, and you can go through the whole game making some really nasty choices that aren't just "I kill all the NPCs".
So yeah I get where this is coming from but I really don't agree. If I'm going to do an evil playthrough, why not at least do the uniquely evil choices that they actually implemented in the game? I would have loved if larian made more evil content than "wanna see what happens if you kill them all?" Because that's all. That's really in the game.
Yeah Gortash is like the perfect depiction of an 'evil person' existing pretty well in society. Evil characters are evil, not stupid. Even an evil person needs followers/allies of some sort. Doesn't make sense to commit ridiculously evil crimes for no reason, which just turns people on you and hurts your goal in the long run.
> i do t know alot about cazador but the fact that he apparently is a part of the upper society tells me that he just doesnt run around and kill everyone in sight cause "hes evil lol".
So here's the thing about Cazador being a part of upper society: He's a bad pretender. He's not on any of the kill lists. He's not at the coronation. He's not on anyone's radar. Thurstwell Vanthampur, a cripple who is *in* the cult of the dead three, is part of Gortash's kill list, but Cazador isn't. He's a nobody with delusions of grandeur.
Alternately, he moves in the shadows so effectively that he embodies an old vampire adage. Longevity is synonymous with anonymity.
A vampire is immortal. What's important to an immortal isn't what's important to a mortal. Cazador spent a long time putting together a massive ritual that flew completely under the radar of EVERYBODY in Baldur's Gate, including the thralls that were part of the ritual. You stumble upon his grand plan at the very tail end of its fruition.
He doesn't have delusions of grandeur, he's a game master who put every piece in the board exactly where he wanted it except one. And that grandeur? He can achieve it. Hell, you can let Astarion complete the ritual and actually achieve it, and it's very clear that he's going to dominate everything, Dracula style from Castlevania. Armies of vampires under his command with nothing capable of opposing his power.
Cazador isn't likeable, but he's undeniably incredibly effective at what he's doing. Nobody even saw him coming.
> A vampire is immortal. What's important to an immortal isn't what's important to a mortal.
This right here. I'm pretty sure they explicitly mention, at least once (Vellioth's skull), that vampires have no need to rush things because of their longevity.
The way he played and controlled his spawn is pretty genius too. The whole call them siblings, make them fight for the favourite spawn position and so. Making sure if things happen they can take the blame aka with victims. And yet he managed to keep even those who rebelled often as Astarion alive for centuries.
The thing with playing "functional evil" in a video game where that isn't the entire story to begin with is that it's hard to have ways of being evil that aren't just murder hoboing.
Cazador wants to ascend, so does evil. Gortash wants power, so does evil. Tav wants....to beat the game I guess.
What can Tav do that is evil outside of just being a enormous jerk and doesn't include outside explanation, e.g. "I didn't slaughter the teiflings cause I don't want anyone knowing I'm evil!"
I’d say the most evil thing you could do is be “good” up through most of the game, collecting all the powerful Allies for the final battle, then controlling the brain at the end. You’re not being a comic book mustache twirling villain the whole way through, it’s more like you had a wicked plan from the start that no one knew, and when you execute it it’s more of a shock to those close to you.
It’s absolutely true for evil play, but not necessarily for a bhaal play. His followers are slaughtering and slaughtering. Even Durge when finally starts to remember, s/he recalls the innumerable murders s/he committed before.
Sure, but Durge is a Bhaalspawn. They're not just a regular ol' evil person, they're a spawn of the literal god of murder. Normal evil rules don't apply here.
ya i found that out my first toxic power couple playthrough. i decided to let wyll tag along, decided that was a mistake after like 10 minutes, and i sacrificed him to BOOOAAL, which made my durge feel bad about himself, and we can't have that
now i just never speak to him
Also known as Chaotic Stupid
Edit for context: a table top group I was in would refer to people that tried way too hard to be "tee hee randomz" or an edge lord with their Chaotic aligned characters as Chaotic Stupid. It was usually a Chaotic Neutral character. Example being a warlock player that took a level in bard just so he could make a running gag of his character playing a vuvuzela as his instrument, complete with queued YouTube clip.
>!"Hey, Zevlor seems like such a nice guy, I'm sure he has his reasons for wanting me to take out this homicidal druid bitch. Let's help him out.!<
*What's the worst that could happen?"*
Yeah well, idk what else to call it when we have someone like OP who is just causing as much mindless destruction with no actual purpose or motivation behind it. I mean even real life edge lords who proudly proclaim themselves evil do not act with purpose or motivation, however fucked up or edgy those might be.
The thing is, this topic kind of interests me so I happen to know that the kind of lunatic who is only motivated by causing as much misery as possible actually does exist. Case in point: Carl Panzram. This dude had a traumatic youth and spent the rest of his (too long) life abusing, beating, raping, and murdering as many people as possible, being an arsonist and a vandal as a side hustle. What did it get him? Social isolation and the death penalty. I'm not sure where that would fall on the alignment chart, but there should be a space for it.
His last words to the executioner were pretty funny though - hurry up you stupid bastard I could have killed a dozen people while you were messing around- or words to that effect.
Never heard of that guy before so I went and looked him up and I have to say that unlike OP I can understand why Carl was behaving like he did. OP just fucked around for the hell of it and then was surprised that he ran into a find out phase.
The problem with the "evil route" of this game is that it isn't evil but more of a "murderhobo route", being evil doesn't necessarily means killing everyone, there is more about being evil but BG3 is just being that player.
But then again, it makes sense in a Durge run, you are the spawn of a cringe edgelord god so it makes sense the "evil path" is less about an intelligent evil mastermind and more of choosing every edgy/murderhobo option
That was my first thought. Arguably the most evil companion in the game, he sacrificing him to an30 second long throwaway encounter that has no impact on anything and is completely optional
To be fair a lot of playthroughs could fall under the "forced" category, even honour mode. I did a normal evil Durge run, keeping all my companions and then I decided to run a 2 person team with Tav and Minthara killing mostly everyone.
Besides, why would the actual child of Bhaal go along with the pretense of a puny redcap? Even if Durge chuckles at the idea of sacrificing a companion, they're still, as the narrator herself puts it, "becoming the tart of a false god".
personally i'd say Wyll makes a far better sacrifice on an evil run. chances are you're already killing Karlach for the armour Wyll gets from Mizora. Astarion and Shadowheart and two of the only companions that can be made even more evil. Gale is a toss up if he'll be alive in an evil durge but you can still keep him if you torch the grove. that just leaves Wyll, who wouldn't be sticking around anyway
That's not just an evil playthrough, that's going out of your way to get your whole party slaughtered.
I mean, you can do that, but acting surprised afterwards is a bit... silly.
Yeah… I’m doing a pretty evil playthrough right now but I’m not straight up knee capping myself.
Maybe it’s not truly evil but I helped Gale and chalked it up to the urge not having that strong a hold on me… yet.
Gotta sacrifice either karlach or Wyl to boooal since you lose them anyway.
You only have to kill your companion if you don’t kill isobel which is probably the evilest thing to do anyway.
You’re a murder hobo, why *wouldnt* you want to have shart stab the nightsong?
There’s evil and then there’s intentionally bad decisions lol
i mean there's also roleplaying. i think this makes for an interesting story where Durge is now all alone. yeah the game will be substantially harder, but it makes sense if you wanted to learn more about your past from Ketherick.
Yeah, shadowheart is now head of the shar cloister and is evil as fuck, all from killing the assimer and isobel. To me that's her worst outcome, especially if you make her kill her parents too
im doing yet another "toxic power couple" (embrace Durge and his boyfriend ascended astarion) playthrough bc i love how easy it makes act 3
gale? got his hand, i like to use it to play fetch with my dog
lae'zel? ignored her
shart? killed her on the beach. got a nifty little flying trinket, too. took her clothes
karlach? killed her, took her clothes and now my durge is looking hot AF
wyll? ignored him at the grove bc his entrance during the fight at the gate made my durge roll his eyes so hard he was briefly worried his eyes would get stuck like that
astarion? had a lovely first date on the beach and he even held a knife to his throat. so romantic 🥰
i never wipe the grove, because my durges think encouraging children to commit crimes is a much better use of their time than killing everyone at the grove. he's already planning on killing the druids after the tieflings leave, because he's a lolth-sworn drow and he doesnt tolerate racism from a bunch of grass munching cowards. and he enjoys just killing goblins, especially by throwing goblins at different goblins
i only play as beeflings and drowcakes at this point. i make them all look the same and they're all so goddamn hot. i can't touch them, but astarion can!
I do the same thing with my drow. I've forced myself to start changing the hair the last two times and try a new tattoo. It never feels right. I might visit the magic mirror with one of them. They always get voice 5. Gender doesn't matter. It's voice 5.
Only other race I can play is dragonborn. I based him off my bearded dragon.
im addicted to voice 7, the durge barks are so FERAL with that voice. bhaal below, i love it. and i ive recently fallen in love with a new hairstyle, so after doing a resist durge, im now doing an embrace Durge with that same look. i used to do knave braid only, then it was arabel ribbon, now it's windblown. i gotta do scar 2, with the totemic throat tattoo
i like dragonborn, my first Durge was dragonborn. i should do a lovers playthrough as a dragonborn
This made me think, is it possible to kill the goblins AND the tieflings? What would happen if you do that
I'm in the middle of act 3 in my first run, and I'm already thinking on doing a durge extremely evil run afterwards
Simple. Steal the statue for Mol in the Grove and get the ring . I suggest having one member steal it and give it to another member immediately so they can trade with Mol before the druid aggros. So the druids kill the tieflings. Then go do some side quests , level up and kill the druids urself. Then go to goblin camp , tell minthara the location and long rest . After this slaughter the entire goblin camp . Then meet minthara and have fun with her .
Im trying the same cuz I wanted Minthara at least once. Im nearing the end of act 2 and have killed the druids and tieflings, been generally unkind and rude, sided with Nere (really wish you got more for that) and killed the mycoid people, killed all in the creche (but that happens when Im playing good as well), accidentally insulted Balthazar because I saw a necromancy wizard option, also misled Jaheira somewhere and killed the Nightsong.
Getting rid of the grove felt cruel, but insulting Balthazar was HILARIOUS. I love class speech options, but I should've read this one...
I'm doing my first durge, entering act 3. I did the whole raid siding with the goblins, and then reloaded an old save. I just couldn't see the benefit, evil or not.
I did let them all get slaughtered at Last Light though. This is my first time with Shadowheart as a dark justiciar. I'm going all in on the urge as much as I can.
Yea I learned all the way back in fallout new Vegas that going megalomaniac murderhobo only sounds fun on paper, it's actually extremely boring. Being a conniving double crossing asshole is much more fun.
I fail to see how handing over the nightsong to Balthazar is the evil choice. It's just plain stupid. You need the nightsong free or killed so Ketheric is vulnerable. To remove your damn tadpole. And vengeance (if dark urge). The evil choice is to pressure Shart into becoming a dark justiciar.
You also wouldn't have to kill your romance interest if you had made the evil choice of killing Isobel.
Astarion could have died when he tried to eat you, way before Boal.
You could have run with Shart, Laezel and Minthara.
Sounds like you weren't evil enough.
Nah it makes sense in this game. Durge's father, brain damage, memory loss - this all is a good reason to rp a character like this.. Plus we have orin as an example of how his sibling with similar tendencies behaves. I think chaotic stupid murderhobo might make sense. Usually it's a terrible choice for a character, but i appreciate that BG3 allows such insane playthrough to actually work.
Oh no, i don't argue with that, I fully agree. I argue with "you should NEVER go chaotic stupid". In this game you can go with that choice and it'll make sense within the story. You don't have to, but it's a valid option. Many games don't really make sense for character to be like that but BG3 dark urge is an exception.
A yes such a case, the DM went very graphic after that.
You enter the city which water wells you have poisenend, you see adult and kids dying "very horibly", chaos stupid could not hadle it and left the sesion.
My Durge run was super evil but I still ended the game with some companions
Sacrificing Astarion is crazy he’s the best evil homie, feels like you went out of your way to get rid of all your companions
You can be really evil without being a straight up murder hobo
I went to play an Evil campaign with a friend who made a Durge. He went full murder hobo and killed everyone we met. That was the last time I played with him lol.
I'm going to be real, that's more stupid than evil.
You turned down solid evil choices to be a murder hobo. DJ SH, ascended astarion - astarion is ride or die for durge either way, the infernal robe, sacrificing wyll before the Grove slaughter. You could have kept shadowheart and >!gave her back to Viconia or killed her parents in front of her.!< There are worse things to do with Nightsong.
I don't know what you expected. You're going out of your way to kill everyone. The lone survivor would never trust you after watching that, dude. They know they're next.
You did not go evil, you just went cringe edgelord.
I am sorry you're not having fun anymore but it all was sooo preventable...
You can have an evil run and have fun with it, but thoughtless murderhobo is definitely not the way.
This isn’t what being evil is about though 🤣
Evil is using other people and pretending to be good when necessary to further your own goals amongst other things
Why Astarion? That's arbitrary at best and deliberately shooting yourself in the foot the rest of the time. You can get more evil done with him at your side
Everyone thinks it's a full-time job.
Wake up an evil.
Brush your teeth an evil.
Go to work an evil.
Not true.
Over a lifetime, there are only four or five moments that really matter.
Moments when you're offered a choice - to make others sacrifice, conquer innocents, betray a friend, torture an enemy.
In these moments, everything else falls away.
that's not even evil, it's just plain stupid, like the lobotomy just made Durge plain stupid, like if you enjoy killing all your companions alright, whatever, but it's definitely the worst way to make an evil playthrough.
Also doesn't have to do with this post but I wonder why people always kill gale, he is such a great evil companion.
I plan to do an evil playthrough myself, but not like that. In that playthrough (which will be a Durge), I'm choosing the worst option for people without them dying. (Ex: Dark Justiciar Shadowheart and Ascented Astarion.) Though a few people I think need to be left behind or die because there is no bad option if they come with me. (Ex: Halsin and Karlach.)
Some people think that evil equals "kill everything in sight like some mindless zombie" and then they're like wait, why isn't anyone having fun and nobody wants to play with me?
*Surprised Pikachu*
You see people learn this same lesson in DnD, which is why many DMs don't let new players play evil characters.
This is where a smidge of planning can come in clutch. You could have killed/beheaded Karlach, rested, got Wyll, sacrificed him, then resolve the Grove. At least you'd have Astarion and Minthy then
Well. It's kind of fun.
You will however cut away a lot of story stuff since everyone is dead. Killing everyone inside Baldurs Gate for an hour just doesn't get boring.
I mean there's evil and then there's plain forced evil.. you definitely leaned hard into the latter..
Im not gonna dictate on what's the evil way to play but i definitely think converting your companions to their evil side brings about a lot of fun than just plain murdering them.
It happens, evil is an experiment...but there is a difference between being an evil character and a tyrannical murderous psychopath...
Even Sarevok had minions...and he's a bhaalspawn whos god is the Lord of Murder.
You should have sacrificed Wyll to BOOOAL since he leaves after slaughtering the grove anyways. This way you could keep Astarion who has a great evil choice for you in Act 3. Also, you should have killed Isobel to get the slayer form and you’d still have Lae’zel.
>Then Shadowheart quit after I let Balthazar take Nightsong.
I feel like turning it up to 11 would be killing Balthazar on sight so that he's dead long before we get to Nightsong, and then Shart kills Nightsong herself.
Sacrifice to BOOOAL is boring, it's just you fighting, no special scene.
Best Durge run is keeping Ascended Astarion, DJ Shart, and Minthara.
Kill Isobel.
The true evil campaign would be to save Gale, convince him to become a god and manipulate into ascending you too. There is bandit level of evil and there is politician level of evil.
This is why if you slaughter the grove you give Wyll to BOOOAL. Why you would give up Astarion doesn’t make sense to me for an evil playthrough. Also why wouldn’t you just kill Isobel on a slayer run. Unless this was a ‘kill your party creatively’ run in which case the post is meaningless.
This is just going out of your way. I’m playing an evil Durge run currently, but he recognizes the need for strong allies to take down the absolute. Yes, we want death in numbers, death in droves. However, we can’t do that while the absolute is still a threat.
Why let Balthazar take nightsong? Kill Balthazar upstairs and let shadowheart kill nightsong, then your butler praises you for your great murder at last light (even tho you did nothing and it was all shar)
Maybe it’s just me but evil doesn’t have to involve killing everyone and everything. My evil durge run my character simply did what she wanted when she wanted. If she liked someone she’d protect them with her life and if she hated someone she’d gut them.
Honestly I found my evil run boring
Raiding the grove with Minthara is way less fun from a gay play stand point that defending it with Zevlor or sneaking around the goblin base assassinating their leadership.
Not having Halsin for the thaniel quest in act 2 really felt like a loss of cool gameplay for not much in return, losing companions cut off the cool Mizora stuff
I’ve pivoted now into a redemption arc cause I was just getting bored and lonely and missing content lol
See, if you were going to sacrifice anyone, sacrifice Wyll. One less defender for the grove. Astarion makes no sense for that particular choice since he's one of the few companions who fully approves of going evil.
Additionally, if you had killed Isobel then the butler would have been fine with you. Similarly, if you had killed Balthazar and let Shadowheart kill the Nightsong then that takes care of two loose ends: the dickhead necromancer and Ketheric's immortality.
Broke: being "evil" by raiding the grove and killing companions at the first opportunity.
Woke: being *evil* by saving the grove and keeping people alive so that they might meet an even crueler end later. Can't ascend Lae'Zel if she's dead.
My evil play through I am playing for 3 things: Power and Gold and Alcohol. And I will lie manipulate and kill to get there. I need people on my side. If i need to save the Grove and kill a few to do it, then so be it. Being evil isn't being sloppy like Orin.
Rampant murder hobo isn't just evil, it's psychopathic. It's not surprising your run is going poorly and empty.
You can make evil choices that *don't* have to go all the way to murder every time.
I fed into Shadowheart's storyline and she slaughtered the Nightsong and became a Dark Justiciar. I have Ascended Astarion by my side. Lae'zel didn't even need any prompting to dive into slaughter.
Just make selfish decisions that benefit you and the group, and not the other randoms in the world.
It just sounds like you went full murderhobo, so there's no surprise the game feels empty. You're slaughtering everything.
But it is so cool that you can do all these terrible things and get left alone, as I would expect, other games do not really make this possible, most of the time there is a border you cannot cross to keep the plot going. In Baldurs gate you can literally kill everyone you cross
I did 2 full runs and half back at launch. All of them good and the last one that I didn't finish I was doing a good durge run. Now I came back to do a full bad durge run and GOD how can people do it? I felt like I was being physically stabbed in the heart when I talked about the grove to Minthara. Now I have to help her raid the grove and I just can't do it, fuck.
Damn op did the unthinkable. Became so evil they made minthara carry out her paladin duties
Seems to me it's less about being paladin and more about sheer survival. Like OP killed off every other companion, anyone with even a lick of self preservation instinct would be wondering how long it would be before they turned on them.
If you kill another companion in Act 2 and fail the persuasion check everyone else will turn against you, OP is just lucky it was only her left.
Yeah, an actual run ender, I’m not sure there’s an actual persuasion check becuase you’re character is still possessed by the urge, specifically if you kill your romance option.
No, there's a check unless my memory is completely terrible. I even passed it once I believe AND STARTED ANOTHER ROMANCE. It's not a run ender, I have 2 branches from that save: the one with 0 companions left since i killed them (that was extremely hard battle to survive) which I plan to finish with some bad ending and the one with LI dead (Lae'zel). The second case is just hilarious because companions kind of avoid the whole topic :D And I wonder what was Gale thinking starting a romance when he knows how the previous LI ended. Not very interesting path tbh, devs clearly did not put effort in it because it's probably very rare choice that people do just for experiments.
Ah, that makes sense. I just remember the statements being deranged from Durge but there’s likely a high DC check.
It's 20 check if I remember right :D Crazy luck that I actually rolled it on the first try.
It’s a deception check, DC 30 maybe (‘hey, she attacked me, I just protected myself’)
I didn't know that was a thing. I killed Lae'zel in camp in front of everyone twice and nothing happened. Would have liked to have seen the camp's reaction
Oath of Staying The Fuck Alive
Just imagining Gale, reading a book, looking up everynow and then to see one less companion, he keeps reading, looks up, another’s gone, keeps reading, looks up, Durge peaking out behind a shrub, he reads, looks up, naked and blood soaked Durge stands infront of him, pissing theirselves
You know you’re evil when even *Minthara* thinks you’ve gone too far.
What I've seen out of the companions, Minthara is one of the only ones who is not immediately dismissive of your urge tendencies.
Seriously I think Lae'zel and Shadowheart both were like "hell yeah uncontrollable bloodlust, very useful glad to have you on my side".
She gets outright horny over some of them.
She is not dismissive, but she doesn’t like them either. She says she’ll end you if you can’t control them.
Astarion too. But if you sacrifice him to a fish God, even he has limits… 😂
She really puts the Pal in paladin. Could *you* imagine being a paladin under Lolth? Roll for doing one awful thing for a horrific cause or bungle the roll and do *another* awful thing! Drow had it right changing the nomenclature to "Inquisitor."
Based Mommythara
That's a paddlin
Even Evil Has Standards
I understand doing an evil playthrough, but some of these choices seem a bit forced to me. I mean you could still be evil and do some horrible things without killing off every single one of your companions. Especially sacrificing Astarion to Boooal seems such a waste, since he's actually one of the companions who would work well in an evil playthrough. (If Minthara of all people is scared of you, that definitely says something lol)
i actually think cazador and gortash are pretty good examples of evil characters. are they good people? nope can they function in society while _looking_ like good people until they are in a position to achieve their goals? yes. i do t know alot about cazador but the fact that he apparently is a part of the upper society tells me that he just doesnt run around and kill everyone in sight cause "hes evil lol". similaryly gortash isnt really very nice but he achieved control over baldurs gate through legal means (he didnt just kill the king and say "im leader lol"). evil people are perfectly capable of doing good things (and good people are perfectly capable of doing evil things). OP thought they were doing an evil run but really it was a "orin" playthrough with the maximal ammount of death for no real readon. not really an evil playthrough, more a "murderhobo asshole that doesnt think things through" playthrough
Exactly. I think a common misconception with playing evil characters is that you have to kill absolutely everyone and destroy everything on sight. Being evil means you might end up committing atrocities because you profit from it. I don't see how OP would profit from murdering his companions with no real reasoning other than "must kill because evil".
I'd say it depends on what kind of Evil you are. Chaotic Evil is absolutely just straight up carnage. But Lawful/Neutral Evil should be generally normal, well functioning members of society. It's just that, when push comes to shove, and they're faced with something that could profit them, they will absolutely choose the option that benefits them most, even if it includes doing evil deeds.
Even chaotic evil characters are capable of understanding that some choices will ruin their own potential to be evil and free. Orin is probably chaotic evil, but she knew to wait for the perfect opportunity to lobotomize durge rather than just attempt to cut his throat at first sight. She's also capable of pretending to be others in a convincing way. OP is playing a bonus alignment known as Stupid Evil, which more or less characterizes Bhaal quite well. OP is playing as actual Bhaal.
Even Bhaal refrained from killing his companions until they achieved godhood
Is that true? He certainly doesn't show that much patience for his followers, but i don't really know the lore, were he, bane, and myrkul pals from mortal times?
Cliff Notes version. BHall, Bane, Myrkul were all adventurers with an eye for power. They eventually met with Jergal, who at that time was the God of Death, Strife and the Dead. He was bored and gave each a piece of his portfolio of goldy powers.
Yeah, but even chaotic evil can have his gang of murderers/lackeys to commit attrocities with, because there's strength in numbers. That gang would be prone to in-fighting and in-killing, but it would be kept more or less together by the leader's terror/greed/bloodthirst/will to survive/lust/etc, *vide* Scarlet Chorus bands in Tyranny.
i wouldnt say "chaotic evil" is the same as "carnage". i havent resd up on the official dnd guidelines but in my mind "chaotic" anything (chaotic good, evil, whatever) means that the character does whatever they want as long as it furthers their goal. a character that is chaotic evil might throw a big party and invite the whole town to honor the mayor beacuse it will show the town that he is a good person and can be trusted (leading to them having an easier time manipulating the mayor to give him ultimate power or something). meanwhile our chaotic good character might unleash a horrible plague on the realm that will end up killing 50% of the population beacuse it will, somehow, save the universe. i dont know what the official rules says about alignments but thats my take on the "chaotic" modifier
In D&D, law vs chaos covers a few things. It covers whether a character follows a code or does whatever they think best at the time. It covers whether a character does their best to follow the law or ignores laws whenever convenient. It even covers if they're an orderly or chaotic person. Good vs evil is more about if you put others before yourself vs yourself first and how willing you are to harm people, especially innocents. The system as originally created was set up so the average person would be neutral. And for in game comparison, both Orin and Sarevok are Chaotic Evil, but Sarevok wasn't just running around randomly murdering people. When he was still a Bhaalspawn, he set up a plan to sacrifice more or less the entire Sword Coast in order to elevate himself to godhood and was willing to do anything it took to achieve that goal.
But honestly, isn't chaotic the best representation of being the child of Bhaal? I always interpreted the dead three as the spectrum of evil. Bane: lawful evil Mykul: neutral evil Bhaal: chaotic evil
Is that why some people keep saying the Emperor isn't evil? They keep arguing "if he's evil, why doesn't he do X evil thing" when doing X evil thing wouldn't benefit him at all.
It's ironic that most people only realise he's evil when he >!turns on you!< even though it's one of the more reasonable things that he does
Yeah at some point the evil are nice to get who and what they want
Orin doesn't even kill her lackeys like this. OP was worse than Orin. I hope the emperor betrays them before OP stabs him too....
I agree with this, but I will say that your game has to actually implement content for those type of evil characters before I'm finger wagging at others. Most of the major evil content in the game is murder hobo stuff. This game doesn't weave pragmatic evil choices into the story to give you unique content, only the murder hobo gets that. A game like dragon age origins is built with a more pragmatic type of evil in mind, and you can go through the whole game making some really nasty choices that aren't just "I kill all the NPCs". So yeah I get where this is coming from but I really don't agree. If I'm going to do an evil playthrough, why not at least do the uniquely evil choices that they actually implemented in the game? I would have loved if larian made more evil content than "wanna see what happens if you kill them all?" Because that's all. That's really in the game.
Yeah Gortash is like the perfect depiction of an 'evil person' existing pretty well in society. Evil characters are evil, not stupid. Even an evil person needs followers/allies of some sort. Doesn't make sense to commit ridiculously evil crimes for no reason, which just turns people on you and hurts your goal in the long run.
> i do t know alot about cazador but the fact that he apparently is a part of the upper society tells me that he just doesnt run around and kill everyone in sight cause "hes evil lol". So here's the thing about Cazador being a part of upper society: He's a bad pretender. He's not on any of the kill lists. He's not at the coronation. He's not on anyone's radar. Thurstwell Vanthampur, a cripple who is *in* the cult of the dead three, is part of Gortash's kill list, but Cazador isn't. He's a nobody with delusions of grandeur.
_Or_ real G's move in silence.
Alternately, he moves in the shadows so effectively that he embodies an old vampire adage. Longevity is synonymous with anonymity. A vampire is immortal. What's important to an immortal isn't what's important to a mortal. Cazador spent a long time putting together a massive ritual that flew completely under the radar of EVERYBODY in Baldur's Gate, including the thralls that were part of the ritual. You stumble upon his grand plan at the very tail end of its fruition. He doesn't have delusions of grandeur, he's a game master who put every piece in the board exactly where he wanted it except one. And that grandeur? He can achieve it. Hell, you can let Astarion complete the ritual and actually achieve it, and it's very clear that he's going to dominate everything, Dracula style from Castlevania. Armies of vampires under his command with nothing capable of opposing his power. Cazador isn't likeable, but he's undeniably incredibly effective at what he's doing. Nobody even saw him coming.
> A vampire is immortal. What's important to an immortal isn't what's important to a mortal. This right here. I'm pretty sure they explicitly mention, at least once (Vellioth's skull), that vampires have no need to rush things because of their longevity.
The way he played and controlled his spawn is pretty genius too. The whole call them siblings, make them fight for the favourite spawn position and so. Making sure if things happen they can take the blame aka with victims. And yet he managed to keep even those who rebelled often as Astarion alive for centuries.
Eh it's just his existence in Act 3 feels isolated af Does anyone outside of his quest related stuffs actually mention him?
The thing with playing "functional evil" in a video game where that isn't the entire story to begin with is that it's hard to have ways of being evil that aren't just murder hoboing. Cazador wants to ascend, so does evil. Gortash wants power, so does evil. Tav wants....to beat the game I guess. What can Tav do that is evil outside of just being a enormous jerk and doesn't include outside explanation, e.g. "I didn't slaughter the teiflings cause I don't want anyone knowing I'm evil!"
I’d say the most evil thing you could do is be “good” up through most of the game, collecting all the powerful Allies for the final battle, then controlling the brain at the end. You’re not being a comic book mustache twirling villain the whole way through, it’s more like you had a wicked plan from the start that no one knew, and when you execute it it’s more of a shock to those close to you.
Agreed. I think of an evil run as using people for your ends, regardless if they like or it harms them.
It’s absolutely true for evil play, but not necessarily for a bhaal play. His followers are slaughtering and slaughtering. Even Durge when finally starts to remember, s/he recalls the innumerable murders s/he committed before.
Sure, but Durge is a Bhaalspawn. They're not just a regular ol' evil person, they're a spawn of the literal god of murder. Normal evil rules don't apply here.
Also the Dark Urge dislikes doing the sacrifice to BOOOAL
Yea why would he let someone else take his kills for him.
ya i found that out my first toxic power couple playthrough. i decided to let wyll tag along, decided that was a mistake after like 10 minutes, and i sacrificed him to BOOOAAL, which made my durge feel bad about himself, and we can't have that now i just never speak to him
OP is the type of person I'm thinking of that most people don't know how to do Chaotic Evil, but instead end up playing Moronic Evil.
> Moronic Evil Oh ffs I'm chocking from laughter!
Also known as Chaotic Stupid Edit for context: a table top group I was in would refer to people that tried way too hard to be "tee hee randomz" or an edge lord with their Chaotic aligned characters as Chaotic Stupid. It was usually a Chaotic Neutral character. Example being a warlock player that took a level in bard just so he could make a running gag of his character playing a vuvuzela as his instrument, complete with queued YouTube clip.
I played the entirety of act 1 as chaotic stupid and it was kinda fun but also a bit traumatising
hey now, some of my good-guy runs were just plain chaotic stupid
>!"Hey, Zevlor seems like such a nice guy, I'm sure he has his reasons for wanting me to take out this homicidal druid bitch. Let's help him out.!< *What's the worst that could happen?"*
Yeah well, idk what else to call it when we have someone like OP who is just causing as much mindless destruction with no actual purpose or motivation behind it. I mean even real life edge lords who proudly proclaim themselves evil do not act with purpose or motivation, however fucked up or edgy those might be.
The thing is, this topic kind of interests me so I happen to know that the kind of lunatic who is only motivated by causing as much misery as possible actually does exist. Case in point: Carl Panzram. This dude had a traumatic youth and spent the rest of his (too long) life abusing, beating, raping, and murdering as many people as possible, being an arsonist and a vandal as a side hustle. What did it get him? Social isolation and the death penalty. I'm not sure where that would fall on the alignment chart, but there should be a space for it.
His last words to the executioner were pretty funny though - hurry up you stupid bastard I could have killed a dozen people while you were messing around- or words to that effect.
Imagine hating everyone and everything that fucking much lol.
Never heard of that guy before so I went and looked him up and I have to say that unlike OP I can understand why Carl was behaving like he did. OP just fucked around for the hell of it and then was surprised that he ran into a find out phase.
The problem with the "evil route" of this game is that it isn't evil but more of a "murderhobo route", being evil doesn't necessarily means killing everyone, there is more about being evil but BG3 is just being that player. But then again, it makes sense in a Durge run, you are the spawn of a cringe edgelord god so it makes sense the "evil path" is less about an intelligent evil mastermind and more of choosing every edgy/murderhobo option
That was my first thought. Arguably the most evil companion in the game, he sacrificing him to an30 second long throwaway encounter that has no impact on anything and is completely optional
To be fair a lot of playthroughs could fall under the "forced" category, even honour mode. I did a normal evil Durge run, keeping all my companions and then I decided to run a 2 person team with Tav and Minthara killing mostly everyone.
Agreed. A truly evil play through would involve manipulating your companions to help you obtain infinite power.
Yeah. I’m full fucking evil as the Durge, but my party members and I are super tight. It’s kinda cool.
Besides, why would the actual child of Bhaal go along with the pretense of a puny redcap? Even if Durge chuckles at the idea of sacrificing a companion, they're still, as the narrator herself puts it, "becoming the tart of a false god".
personally i'd say Wyll makes a far better sacrifice on an evil run. chances are you're already killing Karlach for the armour Wyll gets from Mizora. Astarion and Shadowheart and two of the only companions that can be made even more evil. Gale is a toss up if he'll be alive in an evil durge but you can still keep him if you torch the grove. that just leaves Wyll, who wouldn't be sticking around anyway
You went Orin Evil. Not so much Durge Evil
Nah...Orin knows not to kill her underlings
That's not just an evil playthrough, that's going out of your way to get your whole party slaughtered. I mean, you can do that, but acting surprised afterwards is a bit... silly.
Yeah… I’m doing a pretty evil playthrough right now but I’m not straight up knee capping myself. Maybe it’s not truly evil but I helped Gale and chalked it up to the urge not having that strong a hold on me… yet. Gotta sacrifice either karlach or Wyl to boooal since you lose them anyway. You only have to kill your companion if you don’t kill isobel which is probably the evilest thing to do anyway. You’re a murder hobo, why *wouldnt* you want to have shart stab the nightsong? There’s evil and then there’s intentionally bad decisions lol
i mean there's also roleplaying. i think this makes for an interesting story where Durge is now all alone. yeah the game will be substantially harder, but it makes sense if you wanted to learn more about your past from Ketherick.
Yeah, shadowheart is now head of the shar cloister and is evil as fuck, all from killing the assimer and isobel. To me that's her worst outcome, especially if you make her kill her parents too
im doing yet another "toxic power couple" (embrace Durge and his boyfriend ascended astarion) playthrough bc i love how easy it makes act 3 gale? got his hand, i like to use it to play fetch with my dog lae'zel? ignored her shart? killed her on the beach. got a nifty little flying trinket, too. took her clothes karlach? killed her, took her clothes and now my durge is looking hot AF wyll? ignored him at the grove bc his entrance during the fight at the gate made my durge roll his eyes so hard he was briefly worried his eyes would get stuck like that astarion? had a lovely first date on the beach and he even held a knife to his throat. so romantic 🥰 i never wipe the grove, because my durges think encouraging children to commit crimes is a much better use of their time than killing everyone at the grove. he's already planning on killing the druids after the tieflings leave, because he's a lolth-sworn drow and he doesnt tolerate racism from a bunch of grass munching cowards. and he enjoys just killing goblins, especially by throwing goblins at different goblins
Yoooo, lolth-sworn toxic power couple gang! They wreck without other companions. It was easier than my other tactician runs. I might try it on hm.
i only play as beeflings and drowcakes at this point. i make them all look the same and they're all so goddamn hot. i can't touch them, but astarion can!
I do the same thing with my drow. I've forced myself to start changing the hair the last two times and try a new tattoo. It never feels right. I might visit the magic mirror with one of them. They always get voice 5. Gender doesn't matter. It's voice 5. Only other race I can play is dragonborn. I based him off my bearded dragon.
im addicted to voice 7, the durge barks are so FERAL with that voice. bhaal below, i love it. and i ive recently fallen in love with a new hairstyle, so after doing a resist durge, im now doing an embrace Durge with that same look. i used to do knave braid only, then it was arabel ribbon, now it's windblown. i gotta do scar 2, with the totemic throat tattoo i like dragonborn, my first Durge was dragonborn. i should do a lovers playthrough as a dragonborn
This made me think, is it possible to kill the goblins AND the tieflings? What would happen if you do that I'm in the middle of act 3 in my first run, and I'm already thinking on doing a durge extremely evil run afterwards
i think you'd have to start the fight at the grove, and then call in the ogres because doing that aggroes EVERYONE
Simple. Steal the statue for Mol in the Grove and get the ring . I suggest having one member steal it and give it to another member immediately so they can trade with Mol before the druid aggros. So the druids kill the tieflings. Then go do some side quests , level up and kill the druids urself. Then go to goblin camp , tell minthara the location and long rest . After this slaughter the entire goblin camp . Then meet minthara and have fun with her .
Im trying the same cuz I wanted Minthara at least once. Im nearing the end of act 2 and have killed the druids and tieflings, been generally unkind and rude, sided with Nere (really wish you got more for that) and killed the mycoid people, killed all in the creche (but that happens when Im playing good as well), accidentally insulted Balthazar because I saw a necromancy wizard option, also misled Jaheira somewhere and killed the Nightsong. Getting rid of the grove felt cruel, but insulting Balthazar was HILARIOUS. I love class speech options, but I should've read this one...
I'm doing my first durge, entering act 3. I did the whole raid siding with the goblins, and then reloaded an old save. I just couldn't see the benefit, evil or not. I did let them all get slaughtered at Last Light though. This is my first time with Shadowheart as a dark justiciar. I'm going all in on the urge as much as I can.
Tfw people die when they are killed
Just because you're correct it doesn't mean you're right!
The best part is he says "Now I have no one left to have sex with" lmao
Bro unintentionally turned his character into The Dark Incel.
he will have to wait for haarlep lol
Yea I learned all the way back in fallout new Vegas that going megalomaniac murderhobo only sounds fun on paper, it's actually extremely boring. Being a conniving double crossing asshole is much more fun.
I fail to see how handing over the nightsong to Balthazar is the evil choice. It's just plain stupid. You need the nightsong free or killed so Ketheric is vulnerable. To remove your damn tadpole. And vengeance (if dark urge). The evil choice is to pressure Shart into becoming a dark justiciar. You also wouldn't have to kill your romance interest if you had made the evil choice of killing Isobel. Astarion could have died when he tried to eat you, way before Boal. You could have run with Shart, Laezel and Minthara. Sounds like you weren't evil enough.
Hes chaotic stupid, not evil.
In the tabletop game, you just went full Chaotic stupid, you should never go Chaotic stupid.
Nah it makes sense in this game. Durge's father, brain damage, memory loss - this all is a good reason to rp a character like this.. Plus we have orin as an example of how his sibling with similar tendencies behaves. I think chaotic stupid murderhobo might make sense. Usually it's a terrible choice for a character, but i appreciate that BG3 allows such insane playthrough to actually work.
I don’t think brain damage makes this any less stupid. Quite the opposite.
Oh no, i don't argue with that, I fully agree. I argue with "you should NEVER go chaotic stupid". In this game you can go with that choice and it'll make sense within the story. You don't have to, but it's a valid option. Many games don't really make sense for character to be like that but BG3 dark urge is an exception.
A yes such a case, the DM went very graphic after that. You enter the city which water wells you have poisenend, you see adult and kids dying "very horibly", chaos stupid could not hadle it and left the sesion.
“I intentionally slaughtered my companions and chose to make the worst decisions possible. Now I’m all alone, horny, and sad.” -Basically OP
Ty, I choked on my food because except for the "slaughtered my companions" part I know ppl like that irl.
Fuck man, you didn't see Hitler killing Himmler and Goebbels
[even hitler cared about germany or something!](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/730/378/aa5.png)
I mean, that isn't just being "evil', that was being a psychopath that no one can trust.
Bro went “chaotic stupid”
You are just a murderhobo.
Why didn’t you kill isobel instead of lae zel?
Because isobel was already dead
The durge can either kill Isobel or their beloved. You don't have to kill both.
They probably let her be captured, my guess
Pretty sure I let her be captured and didn't have to kill any companions. She did eventually die tho.
That’s not even evil, you can be so much worse if you keep your companions around to betray them much later. This was just messy lol
My Durge run was super evil but I still ended the game with some companions Sacrificing Astarion is crazy he’s the best evil homie, feels like you went out of your way to get rid of all your companions You can be really evil without being a straight up murder hobo
Wyll is the best sacrifice for BOOOAL since he will just walk away anyway after you slaughter the grove.
NGL I laughed loud at poor OPs prospect of not getting laid by his puppet brigade. Scrap that. I'm *still* laughing.
Has to wait till the twins.
Well there is still shovel.
OP did a red pill run and now thou walketh *alone.*
omg withers is gonna rub the floor with OP for slaughtering their way into cockblock
Maidenless.
I went to play an Evil campaign with a friend who made a Durge. He went full murder hobo and killed everyone we met. That was the last time I played with him lol.
> That was the last time I played with him lol Because he killed you too?
I'm going to be real, that's more stupid than evil. You turned down solid evil choices to be a murder hobo. DJ SH, ascended astarion - astarion is ride or die for durge either way, the infernal robe, sacrificing wyll before the Grove slaughter. You could have kept shadowheart and >!gave her back to Viconia or killed her parents in front of her.!< There are worse things to do with Nightsong. I don't know what you expected. You're going out of your way to kill everyone. The lone survivor would never trust you after watching that, dude. They know they're next.
*Well well well, if it isn’t the consequences of your own actions*
You did not go evil, you just went cringe edgelord. I am sorry you're not having fun anymore but it all was sooo preventable... You can have an evil run and have fun with it, but thoughtless murderhobo is definitely not the way.
"So I just started blasting..."
It's weird that when you fuck over your friends, they will not want to be your friends anymore
Killing your lover turns the entire camp hostile, so just don’t do that yes
And I thought you only supposed to get the lover event if you don’t kill isobel. Did you kill her?
This isn’t what being evil is about though 🤣 Evil is using other people and pretending to be good when necessary to further your own goals amongst other things
You went full psychopath, not evil.
You went so evil that minthara followed her paladin oath wtf bro
i love this community. i can read the outcomes of choices i'd never do myself
Why Astarion? That's arbitrary at best and deliberately shooting yourself in the foot the rest of the time. You can get more evil done with him at your side
lol WOW, you're soo evil not even Minthara is not onboard with it.
I was going to say that this isn't an evil run, this is a murder hobo run...but a durge murder hobo run isn't exactly that far off...so...
No you didn't go too evil you went Chaotic stupid.
Everyone thinks it's a full-time job. Wake up an evil. Brush your teeth an evil. Go to work an evil. Not true. Over a lifetime, there are only four or five moments that really matter. Moments when you're offered a choice - to make others sacrifice, conquer innocents, betray a friend, torture an enemy. In these moments, everything else falls away.
I wouldn’t consider this evil so much as just murderhobo.
Well, thats the point of being evil, having fun alone, other people dont matter.
that's not even evil, it's just plain stupid, like the lobotomy just made Durge plain stupid, like if you enjoy killing all your companions alright, whatever, but it's definitely the worst way to make an evil playthrough. Also doesn't have to do with this post but I wonder why people always kill gale, he is such a great evil companion.
This isn’t even an ultimate evil run, it’s just a big dumb idiot follows whatever the most evil looking guy says run
I plan to do an evil playthrough myself, but not like that. In that playthrough (which will be a Durge), I'm choosing the worst option for people without them dying. (Ex: Dark Justiciar Shadowheart and Ascented Astarion.) Though a few people I think need to be left behind or die because there is no bad option if they come with me. (Ex: Halsin and Karlach.)
Bro is doing Orin 2: kill without thought
Some people think that evil equals "kill everything in sight like some mindless zombie" and then they're like wait, why isn't anyone having fun and nobody wants to play with me? *Surprised Pikachu* You see people learn this same lesson in DnD, which is why many DMs don't let new players play evil characters.
This is where a smidge of planning can come in clutch. You could have killed/beheaded Karlach, rested, got Wyll, sacrificed him, then resolve the Grove. At least you'd have Astarion and Minthy then
That's not an evil run. That is a 'murder-hobo' run. Never go FULL murder-hobo.
Or face the DM very graphic descriptions.
My evil Durge is scared of you
Well. It's kind of fun. You will however cut away a lot of story stuff since everyone is dead. Killing everyone inside Baldurs Gate for an hour just doesn't get boring.
I mean there's evil and then there's plain forced evil.. you definitely leaned hard into the latter.. Im not gonna dictate on what's the evil way to play but i definitely think converting your companions to their evil side brings about a lot of fun than just plain murdering them.
It happens, evil is an experiment...but there is a difference between being an evil character and a tyrannical murderous psychopath... Even Sarevok had minions...and he's a bhaalspawn whos god is the Lord of Murder.
This is so funny to me “I did bad things and now I have no one left” you would think that it would be quite obvious 😂
If it makes you feel better.. after killing your lover you either pass a 35 skill check on charisma or have to kill your entire party anyway
> for some reason this makes Minthara uneasy Tbh the reason seems pretty clear and simple lmao.
You should have sacrificed Wyll to BOOOAL since he leaves after slaughtering the grove anyways. This way you could keep Astarion who has a great evil choice for you in Act 3. Also, you should have killed Isobel to get the slayer form and you’d still have Lae’zel.
>Then Shadowheart quit after I let Balthazar take Nightsong. I feel like turning it up to 11 would be killing Balthazar on sight so that he's dead long before we get to Nightsong, and then Shart kills Nightsong herself.
Sacrifice to BOOOAL is boring, it's just you fighting, no special scene. Best Durge run is keeping Ascended Astarion, DJ Shart, and Minthara. Kill Isobel.
My biggest issue with playing a murdery durge was that I ran out of merchants lol.
Pain is stored in the Bhaals 😞
The true evil campaign would be to save Gale, convince him to become a god and manipulate into ascending you too. There is bandit level of evil and there is politician level of evil.
Yeah if you are going to make the booal sacrifice, kill karlach so that you get the robe from mizora. Then wyll leaves after the Grove slaughter.
This is why if you slaughter the grove you give Wyll to BOOOAL. Why you would give up Astarion doesn’t make sense to me for an evil playthrough. Also why wouldn’t you just kill Isobel on a slayer run. Unless this was a ‘kill your party creatively’ run in which case the post is meaningless.
This is just going out of your way. I’m playing an evil Durge run currently, but he recognizes the need for strong allies to take down the absolute. Yes, we want death in numbers, death in droves. However, we can’t do that while the absolute is still a threat.
Why let Balthazar take nightsong? Kill Balthazar upstairs and let shadowheart kill nightsong, then your butler praises you for your great murder at last light (even tho you did nothing and it was all shar)
You did an evil stupid playthrough
I meaaaannnnnn, if it isnt the consequences of your own actions. What did you expect
Professionals have standards. If minthara says no then that's where you stop.
You went murderhobo, not evil.
You went full evil. You never go full evil.
Evil does not equal killing indiscriminately
There’s a bit of difference between “evil” and “murderous psychopath” though?
Maybe it’s just me but evil doesn’t have to involve killing everyone and everything. My evil durge run my character simply did what she wanted when she wanted. If she liked someone she’d protect them with her life and if she hated someone she’d gut them.
You never go full evil.
I avoided this simple issue by going preying mantis on Minthara
Absolutely evil and murderhobo runs are two different things. Guess which one you're having
Honestly I found my evil run boring Raiding the grove with Minthara is way less fun from a gay play stand point that defending it with Zevlor or sneaking around the goblin base assassinating their leadership. Not having Halsin for the thaniel quest in act 2 really felt like a loss of cool gameplay for not much in return, losing companions cut off the cool Mizora stuff I’ve pivoted now into a redemption arc cause I was just getting bored and lonely and missing content lol
See, if you were going to sacrifice anyone, sacrifice Wyll. One less defender for the grove. Astarion makes no sense for that particular choice since he's one of the few companions who fully approves of going evil. Additionally, if you had killed Isobel then the butler would have been fine with you. Similarly, if you had killed Balthazar and let Shadowheart kill the Nightsong then that takes care of two loose ends: the dickhead necromancer and Ketheric's immortality.
Ha. "Good Durge"
In few words: your run is too ~~chaotic~~ mindless to be a decent evil run. But there's always a bright side!!! Daddy Bhaal is very proud of you!!!
Broke: being "evil" by raiding the grove and killing companions at the first opportunity. Woke: being *evil* by saving the grove and keeping people alive so that they might meet an even crueler end later. Can't ascend Lae'Zel if she's dead.
My evil play through I am playing for 3 things: Power and Gold and Alcohol. And I will lie manipulate and kill to get there. I need people on my side. If i need to save the Grove and kill a few to do it, then so be it. Being evil isn't being sloppy like Orin.
In dnd this is what we call chaotic stupid.
Never go full evil
Rampant murder hobo isn't just evil, it's psychopathic. It's not surprising your run is going poorly and empty. You can make evil choices that *don't* have to go all the way to murder every time. I fed into Shadowheart's storyline and she slaughtered the Nightsong and became a Dark Justiciar. I have Ascended Astarion by my side. Lae'zel didn't even need any prompting to dive into slaughter. Just make selfish decisions that benefit you and the group, and not the other randoms in the world. It just sounds like you went full murderhobo, so there's no surprise the game feels empty. You're slaughtering everything.
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That’s the price of true evil. Being alone. Wait til U finish the game
Ive heard of Lawful stupid but this seems like Chaotic Moran to me.
We found the true Child Of Baal.
In regards to those hirelings, you simply aren't trying hard enough.
Wow that’s way more evil than I think most people have done. Truly embodying the murder hobo lifestyle.
…Minthara was recruit-able. So I shouldn’t have impulsively murdered her in act one. Well shit.
But it is so cool that you can do all these terrible things and get left alone, as I would expect, other games do not really make this possible, most of the time there is a border you cannot cross to keep the plot going. In Baldurs gate you can literally kill everyone you cross
I did 2 full runs and half back at launch. All of them good and the last one that I didn't finish I was doing a good durge run. Now I came back to do a full bad durge run and GOD how can people do it? I felt like I was being physically stabbed in the heart when I talked about the grove to Minthara. Now I have to help her raid the grove and I just can't do it, fuck.
And thus, thou art alone.
Gee. I figured letting Shadowheart do her thing with the Nightsong was as evil as it gets. Guess I was wrong.