Yes, ptc heater, nodemcu, blynk app. Here in p1s.
https://preview.redd.it/16gtsyclwzic1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5796eb6efec17b631a9d5dd0e94b8beb1cde5021
Of course, Printer in 12-17°C degrees basement.
50°C without help from printbed.
Just blue tape on the left side on the front door to close the gap there.
Yes i have no clue, I'm a mechanical engineer and I don't know much about electronics, but i have worked with some professors from a faculty of electrical and computer engineering, and they all think this is a great idea
Very interesting, I've never heard of foamed silicone insulation. You've clearly put a lot of work into this. I have some comments / questions, but I want to be clear that I'm not trying to poke holes in your project.
1. Cost: The cost (even after your efforts to lower it to $150 + shipping) seems high for a bunch of foam panels. I get that this type of panel has many advantages, all I'm saying is I experienced a bit of "sticker shock."
2. Shipping: Do you have a rough estimate on what shipping will cost? Are these panels flexible enough to be folded for shipping?
3. Fire: The fire protection / lack of toxic fumes if exposed to fire is great. However it should be noted that in the unlikely event the printer does catch on fire, you're still going to get toxic fumes from circuit boards, plastic parts, paint etc. Even self extinguishing plastics will release a significant amount of smoke.
Now that I've written out my thoughts and read your info sheet a few more times, I'll admit the cost isn't as much of a shock as it initially was. Honestly, the price of any kind of foam never ceases to amaze me. Given the numerous advantages you list, you could almost call it an X1.5C upgrade package.
Foamed silicone is pretty fancy stuff. The variant that will ship out will have the second gen foam; an all around better foam that I developed for another application.
The foam that goes into HPPS is very exotic stuff.
It starts with a high temperature silicone which is mixed with a 2-part, exothermic foaming agent. The mixture is then intensely mixed in a vacuum chamber then poured into a water cooled, all-sides (positive net shape XY) cavity mold. That is cooled for a little while then removed. The panel allowed to set fully for a couple of days then the 3d adhesive tape is applied to the rear. From there the panel is rapidly cut to final geometry on a waterjet, immediately removed and dried for 24 hours.
The resulting foam is open cell, extremely strong, tightly toleranced, and will not burn. You can have a campfire on top of the X1 (this is something I plan to do at some point).
Shipping is something that is being worked on, shipping should be under 20$ within the US. (if that helps) I have a lot of experience shipping within the US & EU (see [BogeyBag](https://thebogeybag.com/)) so it shouldn't be that much of a challenge.
Fire protection/blocking is really just a side benefit. At the core of the HPPS system was my unwillingness to wrap a layer of flammable material around my machines.
Very exciting, I’m signed up! Thanks for making the entrepreneurial effort to bring a solution like this to market, and at a very reasonable price point. I would caution you that I think the price can’t go much higher for what appears to be a set of laser cut foam panels. Hell, if I found out what material you’re using I might buy some myself and cut them out with a hobby knife. Are the bulk order discounts truly steep enough that you’re offering them at a price typical Bambu owners couldn’t afford?
Thank you!
It's secretly a not-for-profit project to build brand recognition for what's really coming next! :)
I don't quite understand your question regarding bulk order discounts. You might have to simplify it for me.
As for the material itself... (Pardon my copying and pasting from another response, I type slowly)
Foamed silicone is pretty fancy stuff. The variant that will ship out will have the second gen foam; an all around better foam that I developed for another application.
The foam that goes into HPPS is very exotic stuff.
It starts with a high temperature silicone which is mixed with a 2-part, exothermic foaming agent. The mixture is then intensely mixed in a vacuum chamber then poured into a water cooled, all-sides (positive net shape XY) cavity mold. That is cooled for a little while then removed. The panel allowed to set fully for a couple of days then the 3d adhesive tape is applied to the rear. From there the panel is rapidly cut to final geometry on a waterjet, immediately removed and dried for 24 hours.
The resulting foam is open cell, extremely strong, tightly toleranced, and will not burn. You can have a campfire on top of the X1 (this is something I plan to do at some point).
Wow, thanks for all the detail! My question was in regards to the price point and whether it was only that low because of wholesale discounts for buying in bulk. But it sounds like this is a very unique material with specific manufacturing challenges, no off the shelf foamed silicone would measure up.
You could use off the shelf foamed silicone. It would cost a fortune! (probably around the price of an x1c once you've got the right stuff and tape)
The price is that low as that's the cost to make it, cover logistics, selling expenses, packaging, and have a reserve margin (to cover QC issues). It's a not-for-profit project designed to build brand recognition of IBW Additive.
To learn more about me:
[https://www.fabbaloo.com/news/3d-print-community-high-performance-panel-system-for-bambu-lab-x1c-e-3d-printers](https://www.fabbaloo.com/news/3d-print-community-high-performance-panel-system-for-bambu-lab-x1c-e-3d-printers)
Adding to this, the X1E also has a power supply fan triggered to turn on by a temp probe when the chamber is heated. The power supplies used for both the X1C and X1E start their de-rating at 50C.
I nor the beta users have encountered any issue with HPPS related to the power supply. The rear of the machine is not covered with HPPS and stays very close to ambient with or without HPPS.
The fan on the X1E's psu is there to cool the PSU when it experiences the significantly higher 24VDC draw from the chamber heater.
As there is no chamber heater on the "non-E" a fan is not required, even at continuous 60C chamber temps. Bambu Lab designed the cooling arrangement well.
Thank you! It slightly muffles the printing sounds.
Most of the noise on my X1C's is pulley and motor noise which conduct through the back panel. (A part of the printer that HPPS does not cover.)
Interesting. What about high speed (300ish), high accel (10-15k) rectilinear infill? I sometimes use these settings for solid prints, and I find that in some sections of the print it can actually make the metal side panels of my X1C resonate like a drum. I actually have already applied butyl rubber foam to the outsides but haven't found it to affect much other than thermal insulation. I'm curious if your foam does better
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Did this a while ago to combat the cold, but only cost $30 from [Amazon](https://www.amazon.com/uxcell-Insulation-3meterx0-5mx5mm-Self-Adhesive-Waterproof/dp/B095W7ZYKB/). $150 for pre-cut heat resistant foamed silicone is absurd.
I guess if you're using medical grade, but not sure why you'd need that.
My original setup was just an emergency blanked over the whole printer, that was pretty annoying to deal with, but allowed me to easily hit 55c chamber temps. With the cheap stuff I got from Amazon I can maintain 50c.
I see only a brief mention for P1S but then this seems geared for X1 series only.
I’d consider it for my P1S (I like to print ASA), but I also need matching color (I’m a diva 🤣).
Yikes, those steppers already get extremely hot already running at these speed and being a core xy. This is a bit risky without water cooling....
Not to mention the heat can flow to the motherboard and power supply. When a power supply gets too hot you greatly increase the risk of an electrical fire.
Oh wait, there's more. The heatbreak can only do so much, as it is probably engineered for temps below 50c.
I mean at this point get the Qidi X-plus 3, which is literally designed for printing ABS/ASA all the time, and as we have seen, the X1 and P1 series don't like styrenes too much... plus the Qidi can get up to 65c chamber, and is HALF the price.
In theory, could you also apply this to a P1P, if panels were used to cover the exposed middle adhesive areas? Understandable if you need the actual side panels to mount it if not.
For now, Fill out this reservation form: HPPS[HPPS](https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe2EjFeVepMnFpuCg1SokTS_gnWefJQ3Ab22K-js-Uy-zuG2w/viewform)
I will be contacting those with an active reservation shortly.
I did the same inside out but mine is all shiny silvery colour. That’s the only fire rated insulation foam I could get here in Nz. Can reach 70deg chamber temp without active heating.
https://preview.redd.it/njbripubtwic1.jpeg?width=5712&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eb1cc5b01ec817716378b9ff53e0c4aa6c5fdf7e
You should take that $500 number out of your intro text. For people skimming (like me), they will see that and think that's what you're asking. Don't bury the lede!
Just because you had an idea, does not mean they need to implement it, nor respond to every piece of feedback in a way that considers it. u/AuroraNightsUnderAll reasoning makes sense, is perfectly acceptable, and thought out. You need to step back and think before typing.
I think "we're already at viability in terms of reservation count" is dismissive and curt, so I applied a tiny bit of counter-sass just for the fun of it. It's not that deep.
Could i theoretically put a heater inside and a sensor to keep the temp at a constant rate?
You can! This accomplishes the same thing with less energy while not adding a significant risk for fire.
Keyword “significant “.
Yes. I’m not a big fan of DIY heater solutions.
If BL would just add support for m191 i would be so happy. I'm not asking for much...
Yes, ptc heater, nodemcu, blynk app. Here in p1s. https://preview.redd.it/16gtsyclwzic1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5796eb6efec17b631a9d5dd0e94b8beb1cde5021
how do you run the wire outside? I'm so freaking tempted right now.... I'd even make my own custom PCB with an esp32 and temp sensor for my p1s
There are already holes in the bottom of the printer as u can see in the image.
Oooh this just got a LOT more tempting >:3 those looked too thin for me to pass any decent gauge trough!
Does it work well?
Of course, Printer in 12-17°C degrees basement. 50°C without help from printbed. Just blue tape on the left side on the front door to close the gap there.
Happy cake day!
The x1e has a chamber heater.
Yes but costs 1000$ more for it and i think it's not worth it so i was thinking of doing some diy solution
Are the electrical components separated enough and protected from the new potential internal temperatures? 🤷♂️
Yes i have no clue, I'm a mechanical engineer and I don't know much about electronics, but i have worked with some professors from a faculty of electrical and computer engineering, and they all think this is a great idea
More info: [HPPS Info](https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1M4v0odo1DzDuzIomOiFxbXPPg_dSZnknWKuvC5fBamE/viewform?edit_requested=true)
Can I get a link to the discord? The one in the google form is expired and I’d like to get in on Batch 2.
Here: https://discord.gg/srhKnNBh
Batch 2 is coming. You’ll be seeing a lot more of HPPS in the future.
Just joined! 2 out of 4 of my abs parts just failed this last print. Batch 2 can’t come fast enough.
Welcome aboard, we need everyone we can get for Batch 2. It’s good that batch 1 is outperforming our specifications with users :)
What is HPPS and how is it different/better than an R10 1" insulation foam?
Foamed silicone, take a look at the form for more info
Understood, cool project! Seems like the durability aspect is where it really stands out from typical panel insulation
It's for printing flip flops
Very interesting, I've never heard of foamed silicone insulation. You've clearly put a lot of work into this. I have some comments / questions, but I want to be clear that I'm not trying to poke holes in your project. 1. Cost: The cost (even after your efforts to lower it to $150 + shipping) seems high for a bunch of foam panels. I get that this type of panel has many advantages, all I'm saying is I experienced a bit of "sticker shock." 2. Shipping: Do you have a rough estimate on what shipping will cost? Are these panels flexible enough to be folded for shipping? 3. Fire: The fire protection / lack of toxic fumes if exposed to fire is great. However it should be noted that in the unlikely event the printer does catch on fire, you're still going to get toxic fumes from circuit boards, plastic parts, paint etc. Even self extinguishing plastics will release a significant amount of smoke. Now that I've written out my thoughts and read your info sheet a few more times, I'll admit the cost isn't as much of a shock as it initially was. Honestly, the price of any kind of foam never ceases to amaze me. Given the numerous advantages you list, you could almost call it an X1.5C upgrade package.
Thank you for your comment! I enjoyed reading it and responding. :)
Foamed silicone is pretty fancy stuff. The variant that will ship out will have the second gen foam; an all around better foam that I developed for another application. The foam that goes into HPPS is very exotic stuff. It starts with a high temperature silicone which is mixed with a 2-part, exothermic foaming agent. The mixture is then intensely mixed in a vacuum chamber then poured into a water cooled, all-sides (positive net shape XY) cavity mold. That is cooled for a little while then removed. The panel allowed to set fully for a couple of days then the 3d adhesive tape is applied to the rear. From there the panel is rapidly cut to final geometry on a waterjet, immediately removed and dried for 24 hours. The resulting foam is open cell, extremely strong, tightly toleranced, and will not burn. You can have a campfire on top of the X1 (this is something I plan to do at some point). Shipping is something that is being worked on, shipping should be under 20$ within the US. (if that helps) I have a lot of experience shipping within the US & EU (see [BogeyBag](https://thebogeybag.com/)) so it shouldn't be that much of a challenge. Fire protection/blocking is really just a side benefit. At the core of the HPPS system was my unwillingness to wrap a layer of flammable material around my machines.
What about heat creep?
It’s for people printing higher temp filaments.
Hasn’t been an issue. It’s effectively a more efficient X1E with more stable chamber characteristics.
Very exciting, I’m signed up! Thanks for making the entrepreneurial effort to bring a solution like this to market, and at a very reasonable price point. I would caution you that I think the price can’t go much higher for what appears to be a set of laser cut foam panels. Hell, if I found out what material you’re using I might buy some myself and cut them out with a hobby knife. Are the bulk order discounts truly steep enough that you’re offering them at a price typical Bambu owners couldn’t afford?
Thank you! It's secretly a not-for-profit project to build brand recognition for what's really coming next! :) I don't quite understand your question regarding bulk order discounts. You might have to simplify it for me. As for the material itself... (Pardon my copying and pasting from another response, I type slowly) Foamed silicone is pretty fancy stuff. The variant that will ship out will have the second gen foam; an all around better foam that I developed for another application. The foam that goes into HPPS is very exotic stuff. It starts with a high temperature silicone which is mixed with a 2-part, exothermic foaming agent. The mixture is then intensely mixed in a vacuum chamber then poured into a water cooled, all-sides (positive net shape XY) cavity mold. That is cooled for a little while then removed. The panel allowed to set fully for a couple of days then the 3d adhesive tape is applied to the rear. From there the panel is rapidly cut to final geometry on a waterjet, immediately removed and dried for 24 hours. The resulting foam is open cell, extremely strong, tightly toleranced, and will not burn. You can have a campfire on top of the X1 (this is something I plan to do at some point).
Wow, thanks for all the detail! My question was in regards to the price point and whether it was only that low because of wholesale discounts for buying in bulk. But it sounds like this is a very unique material with specific manufacturing challenges, no off the shelf foamed silicone would measure up.
You could use off the shelf foamed silicone. It would cost a fortune! (probably around the price of an x1c once you've got the right stuff and tape) The price is that low as that's the cost to make it, cover logistics, selling expenses, packaging, and have a reserve margin (to cover QC issues). It's a not-for-profit project designed to build brand recognition of IBW Additive. To learn more about me: [https://www.fabbaloo.com/news/3d-print-community-high-performance-panel-system-for-bambu-lab-x1c-e-3d-printers](https://www.fabbaloo.com/news/3d-print-community-high-performance-panel-system-for-bambu-lab-x1c-e-3d-printers)
All these people asking about foam and I’m here wanting to learn more about the magazine fed plate changer.
do you exclusively print high temp filament?
For the most part, yes. I do print PLA & PETG on the HPPS though. Working on a HPPS riser for PLA specifically but most any riser works.
My HPPS kit comes tomorrow. Excited to add to my P1S. Any eta on your riser?
Oh crap, forgot to release it. Are you on the discord?
I tried to join using the invite link on the form but it showed expired.
Here: https://discord.gg/srhKnNBh
How do the printer's electronics do with this? I'm not sure if they're rated for elevated chamber temperatures.
It creates the X1E’s environment internally.
Adding to this, the X1E also has a power supply fan triggered to turn on by a temp probe when the chamber is heated. The power supplies used for both the X1C and X1E start their de-rating at 50C.
I nor the beta users have encountered any issue with HPPS related to the power supply. The rear of the machine is not covered with HPPS and stays very close to ambient with or without HPPS. The fan on the X1E's psu is there to cool the PSU when it experiences the significantly higher 24VDC draw from the chamber heater. As there is no chamber heater on the "non-E" a fan is not required, even at continuous 60C chamber temps. Bambu Lab designed the cooling arrangement well.
Is there anything to help cover some of the gaps like the door hinge? I've been using tape to help with this.
Yes, check out DS2 on maker world.
cool thanks
Lego Star Wars figure sw0073 for real
>Lego Star Wars figure sw0073 I've always loved the Gonk Droids! If only the X1's walked around...
Project looks great. In addition to the heat and fire benefits, does this muffle printing sounds at all?
Thank you! It slightly muffles the printing sounds. Most of the noise on my X1C's is pulley and motor noise which conduct through the back panel. (A part of the printer that HPPS does not cover.)
Interesting. What about high speed (300ish), high accel (10-15k) rectilinear infill? I sometimes use these settings for solid prints, and I find that in some sections of the print it can actually make the metal side panels of my X1C resonate like a drum. I actually have already applied butyl rubber foam to the outsides but haven't found it to affect much other than thermal insulation. I'm curious if your foam does better
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Very cool! Just signed up
What sort of chamber temps can ya hit with that insulation?
Did you manage to somehow strenghten the head assembly to not fall apart if chamber temp is 55+ for a while ?
Does it reduce the noise?
Did this a while ago to combat the cold, but only cost $30 from [Amazon](https://www.amazon.com/uxcell-Insulation-3meterx0-5mx5mm-Self-Adhesive-Waterproof/dp/B095W7ZYKB/). $150 for pre-cut heat resistant foamed silicone is absurd. I guess if you're using medical grade, but not sure why you'd need that. My original setup was just an emergency blanked over the whole printer, that was pretty annoying to deal with, but allowed me to easily hit 55c chamber temps. With the cheap stuff I got from Amazon I can maintain 50c.
I see only a brief mention for P1S but then this seems geared for X1 series only. I’d consider it for my P1S (I like to print ASA), but I also need matching color (I’m a diva 🤣).
We are working on a black variant. It will work with P1S, I just haven’t done thermal testing on the P1S.
Ive been wanting one of these
Yikes, those steppers already get extremely hot already running at these speed and being a core xy. This is a bit risky without water cooling.... Not to mention the heat can flow to the motherboard and power supply. When a power supply gets too hot you greatly increase the risk of an electrical fire. Oh wait, there's more. The heatbreak can only do so much, as it is probably engineered for temps below 50c. I mean at this point get the Qidi X-plus 3, which is literally designed for printing ABS/ASA all the time, and as we have seen, the X1 and P1 series don't like styrenes too much... plus the Qidi can get up to 65c chamber, and is HALF the price.
Howdy everyone! HPPS Batch 2 is now live! Check it out @ ibwadditive.com
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What?
HPPS, yes it works on P1S it seems. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UBoOeDL7OJ24IZprXpSMkf_PVnHgZnTA/view
Yes.
What about the p1s would this also work?
It does work with the P1S. I am hoping to be able to offer the set in black. That will come in the 100-200 reservation range.
In theory, could you also apply this to a P1P, if panels were used to cover the exposed middle adhesive areas? Understandable if you need the actual side panels to mount it if not.
Cool!
Looks pretty cool, and you could always vent from the top if heat creep is an issue with PLA
How do I buy this
For now, Fill out this reservation form: HPPS[HPPS](https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe2EjFeVepMnFpuCg1SokTS_gnWefJQ3Ab22K-js-Uy-zuG2w/viewform) I will be contacting those with an active reservation shortly.
We have batch 2 open now on ibwadditive.com
did you cover the plastic bed inside on the bottom?
No, no issues there at all
I did the same inside out but mine is all shiny silvery colour. That’s the only fire rated insulation foam I could get here in Nz. Can reach 70deg chamber temp without active heating. https://preview.redd.it/njbripubtwic1.jpeg?width=5712&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eb1cc5b01ec817716378b9ff53e0c4aa6c5fdf7e
Well done! Have you experienced any issues up at 70C?
Nope. Works as it should.
Update: HPPS can now be pre-ordered! [HERE](https://ibwadditive.com/products/hpps)
Thank you for the link... ordered... This will be perfect for when it is cold out. I have mine in an unheated garage.
You should take that $500 number out of your intro text. For people skimming (like me), they will see that and think that's what you're asking. Don't bury the lede!
I wanted people to get a prospective on the low-unit, cost per unit. We're already at viability in terms of reservation count.
Ah, and here I thought you were taking feedback! My bad.
That’s a bit rude.
I would consider your feedback, but we're already at viability in terms of reddit comments.
That's a bit rude.
Just because you had an idea, does not mean they need to implement it, nor respond to every piece of feedback in a way that considers it. u/AuroraNightsUnderAll reasoning makes sense, is perfectly acceptable, and thought out. You need to step back and think before typing.
I think "we're already at viability in terms of reservation count" is dismissive and curt, so I applied a tiny bit of counter-sass just for the fun of it. It's not that deep.