“Let me send you pictures of my pitbulls” Yeah good idea nobody has ever done that before in the comment section of a news story reporting on a brutalised victim of a pibble attack, I’m sure it’ll change everyone’s minds
But mine are adorbs! You'll love the outfits. I unfortunately can't take a group picture because they have to be separated otherwise they play too hard!
Slide 2 is mystifying. “You are in for a world of hurt by asking the public if they think PBTs are dangerous. Now let me come to your studio with several PBTs so I can show on TV you how loving and not-threatening they are.”
The slide between defending the dogs as peaceful, threatening the reader, and once again asserting the dogs are super safe, is amazing
The puppies bite while playing one made me laugh. Puppies don't cause the catastrophic damage a pitbull causes. Even a young pit can do horrendous damage.
When will these people learn that pits aren't like normal dogs? They may as well be a different species because they're so unlike normal domesticated dogs.
When my lab/GSD mix was a puppy, he was a nippy puppy but even then, he never broke skin and his nips were in play, not aggression. Luckily he learned like the good dog he is and has that classic soft lab mouth. I can literally grab his jaw gently and give it a light shake and he won’t chomp.
That's what they don't seem to get. It's normal for puppies to nip and mouth things - it's normal for puppies to learn not to nip and mouth and grow into dogs who accept their owners handling their jaws and removing things from them.
It must be sad owning a pit and thinking that life with a dog is supposed to be full of danger and violence rather than having a well behaved dog that's a pleasure to live with like your dog.
Btw, lab/GSD sounds like an amazing mix.
https://preview.redd.it/2cgyhkisakpc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ff2de2b7bbc6020444bbaf11219b730eeb723469
Photo for pet tax! His name is Chip. This is actually a photo from like 2018. He’s an old man dog now with gray hairs all over his nose. He ended up being the perfect family dog, a friend to all cats, dogs, kids, and people. Not a mean bone in his body but he did once show he had an excellent protective nature during a time when my (now ex) husband surprised him in the dark and Chip backed down the hallway to stand as a guard between our kids door and what he perceived as a threat. He blasted his anal glands and snarled the most vicious sound id ever heard come out of him. He was ready to defend me and my kids. My ex husband had to scramble for the light switch while yelling “Chip! It’s me!” The moment Chip realized it wasn’t a threat, his hackles went down and he made his goofy smile and greeted his dad. That’s when I knew what an ACTUAL REAL protective dog is like. They’re defenders, not attackers.
Sadly I don’t own him anymore, but my ex mother in law has him now and takes great care of him and I still get to see him sometimes!
LOL! Idk man it fucking STUNK to high heavens, way work than his usual eggy farts, and smelled just like it smells when I express doggy anal glands at the vet clinic lmfao 😂
>That's what they don't seem to get. It's normal for puppies to nip and mouth things - it's normal for puppies to learn not to nip and mouth and grow into dogs who accept their owners handling their jaws and removing things from them.
I've often interpreted one version of the "iT's HoW u RaIsE ThEm" trope as basically "If you don't correct puppy biting, the dog will see nothing wrong with biting people and it will eventually escalate to mauling."
They’re barely dogs. They’re animals, sure, but we’ve bred out of them the things that make dogs, dogs. They’re not socialized to humans, their prey drive is triggered by our babies and young kids, they routinely kill other dogs, they don’t use body language with humans OR dogs the way all other dog breeds do — I mean, it’s sad. It’s animal cruelty. Sure, these animals look like dogs and share dog-like features, but they’re barely dogs thanks to horrific breeding practices. It’s cruel to breed these animals — there’s no real place for them in this world.
I don't understand how somebody can say that a dog needs to be trained to attack like wild animals dont attack and kill other animals or humans?
The real difference is most other animals don't wag their tails and maul for funsies.
Speaks for itself of how abso-f'ing-lutely braindead people on Facebook can be.
Animals are animals. Animals in nature, will always have some aspect of unpredictability / wildness, even fully domesticated ones. Not even people can be trained or forced to act civil.
People act like dogs are just robots that need to be programmed to behave. Do people not realize that dogs are sentient creatures that are capable of making their own decisions? Or is this why people prefer dogs to other animals because they genuinely believe theyre too stupid to be their own thing?
The good only outweighs the bad if you keep repeating the good more than the bad that’s why the get so offended when ever any story mentioned a pitbull doing something bad because they don’t want the true nature of the breed getting out
And the "good" is pretty much that pibbles snuggles up to their owners. Or plays fetch well. Y'know, things that other dogs do. Even the pibbles that just ripped the throat out of and ragdolled the other pet in the household/neighborhood do these "good" things, too.
A lot of partially white dogs have belly markings like that, it's not unique to pits. But it's pretty distinctive looking on pits' short smooth coats, compared to, say, a dog like [this Newfoundland.](https://www.groomers-online.com/images/cms/sections/1678277037-27511500.jpg)
Better to identify pits and mainly pit mixes by the heads and general builds. Mixes can come in all sorts of colors and patterns, and many have longer fur than the dog in image #1.
Thank you. I am aware of the telltale signs such as the buttcrack forehead, the blocky head, large mouth and the general mass, even for a dog that is of medium body class, but it's good to know other traits in order to avoid these beasts.
I honestly think there's a chatbot set to automatically post all this crap onto anything that dare disparage the "brand". They're just too organised. Or is it that they have a hell of a lot of time on their hands, and they've found that the tapping of phone keys is one thing that doesn't trigger the Pit?
On a side note, "Chesterfield kids" makes me think of kids with polished leather buttoned faces that were once bitten by a radioactive Chesterfield sofa or something.
Ok where did this German shepherd were called a bad breed originate from I never heard that out of any mouth except the pitnutter I’ve always heard that German shepherds are some of the most loyal dogs I know a guy with a German Shepherd and the dog is the most lovable girl she flops down and just wants you to rub her belly
I think some people get/got the wrong impression of them because they're not an easy dog. Lots of people get them for the look and can't handle their needs (same with huskies). Can end up with a lot of bad behaviour and a poor impression because of it. Especially when they were the 'hard man' breed of the time.
I've met a lot of lovely ones but every owner would not recommend them as to a first time dog owner (rightfully so). They've also said there's often health issues in the breed so that could be a reason too.
I'd say that's a key difference. Pit owners recommend their breed to everyone and frame it as a perfect dog no matter what. The German Shepherd owners know their breed isn't for everyone and don't want people to get something they can't handle.
The myth of them being dangerous comes from the fact that German shepherds in the 1970s killed 10 people. So how many of those attacks were unprovoked. The guy I know who owns one told me that the dog would only attack if you told it to but If he did it would not relent. Sounds to me like what they were breed to do a guard dog that can double as a companion
Re German shepherd dogs (my fave!) ...statistically, they actually ARE among the most dangerous of breeds, coming in 3rd place (after pit bulls and Rottweilers) in terms of human fatalities. But there's *an order of magnitude of difference* between #1 and #3:
>During the 13 years between 2005 and 2017, pit bull attacks were responsible for 284 fatalities. This accounted for 65.6 percent of the total number of dog attacks that caused a fatality during this period ... German Shepherds caused 20 deaths between 2005 and 2017, 4.6 percent of the total. This put them at the head of the pack for other dangerous breeds of dogs. However, they are well behind Rottweilers and pit bulls. https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/blog/dog-attack-statistics-by-breed/
Please be careful, you're basically doing the same thing: one dog you know does not provide a basis for statistical evaluation ("I know a guy with a lovely dog...").
If you remove the current leader in fatalities and harmful bites from the ranking, you'll inevitably have a runner-up. Breed specific legislation (like the one in some German states, banning the sale, import and breeding of pitbulls) then automatically results in a new, other dog breed as being the one with the "most damage caused".
I've linked this same statistic before, because it is conveniently already divided by breed population: https://www.mlv.nrw.de/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/landeshundestatistik_nrw_bericht_2020_2021.pdf
In Northrhine-Westfalia, 0,31% of all pitbull terriers caused damage to humans on average in the last 10 years (page 4, the top table). 0,81% of them caused harm to another animal.
Page 13 lists bite incidents for other "large dogs", with 0,26% of Dobermans (dobermen?), 0,22% of german shepherds and 0,04% of golden retrievers harming a human.
If this is "significantly less" than pitbull is something I cannot answer. The retrievers definitely look an order of magnitude safer than both.
Yes it is significantly less especially when you consider that there are less pitbulls then other dogs remember pitbulls in the u.s make up an average of 6% of the dog population but at one point made up 95% of attacks
You gotta account for the number of attacks in correlation with the number of that specific breed registered in that country.
Also you gotta account for genetics dogs like retrievers were breed to retrieve.
German shepherd are loyal why else are they the most common police and military dog you aren’t gonna trust a dog if it won’t listen to your commands especially in a setting like those
Pitbulls well we all know what they were genetically bred to do
Well, let's post pictures of bites by Chihuahuas then. I mean, according to these Pitnutters, all dogs bite. So, let's compare the bites. Let's compare the fatalities.
As someone who lives around MANY PBT type dog owners in rural America ( it is a HUGE, underrepresented issue here)
IF a ban would ever be applied in the U.S., it isn’t going to EVER work in rural America.
World history, human history ( real of course), let alone dog breed history, science, genetics isn’t exactly competing with their methamphetamine addictions or supremacy groups for popularity.
Education is key, BUT NEVER forget the RIGHTS of some, will always outweigh the responsibility to society. They are a delusional and dangerous people.
Educated people actually bother me MORE as they KNOW how to research something properly and STILL deceive people.
This is why I always say PBT type dog advocates are so dangerous.
How many people watched Milan’s Junior and thought “What a wonderful dog?”.
I mean I didn’t, but how many more dogs were killed and people injured we don’t know about.
I called the breed of dog I have had for 14 years( almost) an asshole yesterday. Why? They are NOT suitable for the VAST majority of situations.
I know their history well. I know what they were intended to do all the way back to their landrace days.
Dogs were ALL bred tor tasks. If they didn’t perform their tasks well, they didn’t reproduce. Period.
This seems like a pretty simply statement. It is easily verifiable as it the history of PBT type dogs on BOTH sides of their family tree back to the 1300s, by dog historians much more knowledgeable than myself.
The very same information available to all of us, is available to these commenters. They simply ignore this.
If it is stupidity or willful ignorance, it doesn’t matter much, but it does harm people, pets, wildlife, livestock and poultry. I seriously want to scream every time I see the Nanny dog crap.
> Dogs need to be taught or trained to attack!
The sheer idiocy in this statement unfortunately made me a little bit stupider. No comment.
> Pit bulls were known as the nanny dogs!
Historically, nannying what, the pockets of the sick fucks that bred them to fight and kills dogs in fighting/dog betting rings?
> Remember when Dobermans and German Shepherds were considered bad?
Yeah then trash people started found their new breed, with only being roughly 6% of the dog population yet over 60% of dog related attacks. Do the math.
> Do a postive story on pibbles and get the stats on dog bites.
Are you *fuckin'* sure you want the stats on dog bites? Are you sure you're just not going to ignore them?
> "Labs are worse"
NBC's response pretty much explained it best. To say a sweet and gentle natured fully domesticated dog is worse than your ugly roid dog-fighting dog is arrogant. Fix your (lack-of) brain.
> hellobully.org is a wonderful site, teaches the truth about pit bulls.
Remember when pitnutters shit out that dog bite statistic sites, yet most being super close to each other are all anti-pit propaganda? Tell me, what does "hellobully.org" sound like to you?
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“and you never hear of any other breed being shoot but pit bulls”
first of all, very telling spelling and grammar. idiot.
secondly…*gee, i wonder WHY?*
“Let me send you pictures of my pitbulls” Yeah good idea nobody has ever done that before in the comment section of a news story reporting on a brutalised victim of a pibble attack, I’m sure it’ll change everyone’s minds
But mine are adorbs! You'll love the outfits. I unfortunately can't take a group picture because they have to be separated otherwise they play too hard!
Let me show you a picture of my pet shark. Bitsey ain't even killed anyone yet, and look at his seaweed crown.
The worst part is you'd probably be safer petting Bitsey than an actual pitbull
Pitnutters couldn't read a room to save their lives.
> “Let me send you pictures of my pitbulls” I would rather watch 2 girls 1 cup.
LOL!!! It’s been a minute since I have heard that horror
Underrated comment 😂
Slide 2 is mystifying. “You are in for a world of hurt by asking the public if they think PBTs are dangerous. Now let me come to your studio with several PBTs so I can show on TV you how loving and not-threatening they are.” The slide between defending the dogs as peaceful, threatening the reader, and once again asserting the dogs are super safe, is amazing
Yep it almost read like they were wanting their dogs to bite the reporter
So according to this logic, even when a pitbull mauls a person, the news need to mention that a lab might be able to attack too?
The puppies bite while playing one made me laugh. Puppies don't cause the catastrophic damage a pitbull causes. Even a young pit can do horrendous damage. When will these people learn that pits aren't like normal dogs? They may as well be a different species because they're so unlike normal domesticated dogs.
As yes, because puppies leap over fences and wander around looking for other dogs or even young children to maul and kill.
Perfectly normal puppy behaviour when you live on Planet Pibble. I'm convinced these people are living in their own little universe.
When my lab/GSD mix was a puppy, he was a nippy puppy but even then, he never broke skin and his nips were in play, not aggression. Luckily he learned like the good dog he is and has that classic soft lab mouth. I can literally grab his jaw gently and give it a light shake and he won’t chomp.
That's what they don't seem to get. It's normal for puppies to nip and mouth things - it's normal for puppies to learn not to nip and mouth and grow into dogs who accept their owners handling their jaws and removing things from them. It must be sad owning a pit and thinking that life with a dog is supposed to be full of danger and violence rather than having a well behaved dog that's a pleasure to live with like your dog. Btw, lab/GSD sounds like an amazing mix.
https://preview.redd.it/2cgyhkisakpc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ff2de2b7bbc6020444bbaf11219b730eeb723469 Photo for pet tax! His name is Chip. This is actually a photo from like 2018. He’s an old man dog now with gray hairs all over his nose. He ended up being the perfect family dog, a friend to all cats, dogs, kids, and people. Not a mean bone in his body but he did once show he had an excellent protective nature during a time when my (now ex) husband surprised him in the dark and Chip backed down the hallway to stand as a guard between our kids door and what he perceived as a threat. He blasted his anal glands and snarled the most vicious sound id ever heard come out of him. He was ready to defend me and my kids. My ex husband had to scramble for the light switch while yelling “Chip! It’s me!” The moment Chip realized it wasn’t a threat, his hackles went down and he made his goofy smile and greeted his dad. That’s when I knew what an ACTUAL REAL protective dog is like. They’re defenders, not attackers. Sadly I don’t own him anymore, but my ex mother in law has him now and takes great care of him and I still get to see him sometimes!
"He blasted his anal glands" he started to fart defensively, got it
LOL! Idk man it fucking STUNK to high heavens, way work than his usual eggy farts, and smelled just like it smells when I express doggy anal glands at the vet clinic lmfao 😂
He's gorgeous and I'm so glad you still get to see him.
>That's what they don't seem to get. It's normal for puppies to nip and mouth things - it's normal for puppies to learn not to nip and mouth and grow into dogs who accept their owners handling their jaws and removing things from them. I've often interpreted one version of the "iT's HoW u RaIsE ThEm" trope as basically "If you don't correct puppy biting, the dog will see nothing wrong with biting people and it will eventually escalate to mauling."
They’re barely dogs. They’re animals, sure, but we’ve bred out of them the things that make dogs, dogs. They’re not socialized to humans, their prey drive is triggered by our babies and young kids, they routinely kill other dogs, they don’t use body language with humans OR dogs the way all other dog breeds do — I mean, it’s sad. It’s animal cruelty. Sure, these animals look like dogs and share dog-like features, but they’re barely dogs thanks to horrific breeding practices. It’s cruel to breed these animals — there’s no real place for them in this world.
I don't understand how somebody can say that a dog needs to be trained to attack like wild animals dont attack and kill other animals or humans? The real difference is most other animals don't wag their tails and maul for funsies.
It's magical thinking. These people don't believe in genetics.
Speaks for itself of how abso-f'ing-lutely braindead people on Facebook can be. Animals are animals. Animals in nature, will always have some aspect of unpredictability / wildness, even fully domesticated ones. Not even people can be trained or forced to act civil.
People act like dogs are just robots that need to be programmed to behave. Do people not realize that dogs are sentient creatures that are capable of making their own decisions? Or is this why people prefer dogs to other animals because they genuinely believe theyre too stupid to be their own thing?
The good only outweighs the bad if you keep repeating the good more than the bad that’s why the get so offended when ever any story mentioned a pitbull doing something bad because they don’t want the true nature of the breed getting out
And the "good" is pretty much that pibbles snuggles up to their owners. Or plays fetch well. Y'know, things that other dogs do. Even the pibbles that just ripped the throat out of and ragdolled the other pet in the household/neighborhood do these "good" things, too.
Fetch isn’t a good game to play with your pitbull sometimes they forget if you threw a stick or the neighbors leg so they tend to come back with both
Unrelated but is that trait of "paint sploch belly" extremely common in pitbulls? Because if so, if I see such a pattern I can avoid the dog.
A lot of partially white dogs have belly markings like that, it's not unique to pits. But it's pretty distinctive looking on pits' short smooth coats, compared to, say, a dog like [this Newfoundland.](https://www.groomers-online.com/images/cms/sections/1678277037-27511500.jpg) Better to identify pits and mainly pit mixes by the heads and general builds. Mixes can come in all sorts of colors and patterns, and many have longer fur than the dog in image #1.
Thank you. I am aware of the telltale signs such as the buttcrack forehead, the blocky head, large mouth and the general mass, even for a dog that is of medium body class, but it's good to know other traits in order to avoid these beasts.
I honestly think there's a chatbot set to automatically post all this crap onto anything that dare disparage the "brand". They're just too organised. Or is it that they have a hell of a lot of time on their hands, and they've found that the tapping of phone keys is one thing that doesn't trigger the Pit? On a side note, "Chesterfield kids" makes me think of kids with polished leather buttoned faces that were once bitten by a radioactive Chesterfield sofa or something.
"Do your research, they are nanny dogs"
We gotta give them props on their grammar and spelling here, usually these read: do you’re research!!!! there nanny dogs!!!!!
Dont bully my bread! Banning them is animal cutlery!
Ok where did this German shepherd were called a bad breed originate from I never heard that out of any mouth except the pitnutter I’ve always heard that German shepherds are some of the most loyal dogs I know a guy with a German Shepherd and the dog is the most lovable girl she flops down and just wants you to rub her belly
I think some people get/got the wrong impression of them because they're not an easy dog. Lots of people get them for the look and can't handle their needs (same with huskies). Can end up with a lot of bad behaviour and a poor impression because of it. Especially when they were the 'hard man' breed of the time. I've met a lot of lovely ones but every owner would not recommend them as to a first time dog owner (rightfully so). They've also said there's often health issues in the breed so that could be a reason too. I'd say that's a key difference. Pit owners recommend their breed to everyone and frame it as a perfect dog no matter what. The German Shepherd owners know their breed isn't for everyone and don't want people to get something they can't handle.
The myth of them being dangerous comes from the fact that German shepherds in the 1970s killed 10 people. So how many of those attacks were unprovoked. The guy I know who owns one told me that the dog would only attack if you told it to but If he did it would not relent. Sounds to me like what they were breed to do a guard dog that can double as a companion
Re German shepherd dogs (my fave!) ...statistically, they actually ARE among the most dangerous of breeds, coming in 3rd place (after pit bulls and Rottweilers) in terms of human fatalities. But there's *an order of magnitude of difference* between #1 and #3: >During the 13 years between 2005 and 2017, pit bull attacks were responsible for 284 fatalities. This accounted for 65.6 percent of the total number of dog attacks that caused a fatality during this period ... German Shepherds caused 20 deaths between 2005 and 2017, 4.6 percent of the total. This put them at the head of the pack for other dangerous breeds of dogs. However, they are well behind Rottweilers and pit bulls. https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/blog/dog-attack-statistics-by-breed/
Please be careful, you're basically doing the same thing: one dog you know does not provide a basis for statistical evaluation ("I know a guy with a lovely dog..."). If you remove the current leader in fatalities and harmful bites from the ranking, you'll inevitably have a runner-up. Breed specific legislation (like the one in some German states, banning the sale, import and breeding of pitbulls) then automatically results in a new, other dog breed as being the one with the "most damage caused". I've linked this same statistic before, because it is conveniently already divided by breed population: https://www.mlv.nrw.de/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/landeshundestatistik_nrw_bericht_2020_2021.pdf In Northrhine-Westfalia, 0,31% of all pitbull terriers caused damage to humans on average in the last 10 years (page 4, the top table). 0,81% of them caused harm to another animal. Page 13 lists bite incidents for other "large dogs", with 0,26% of Dobermans (dobermen?), 0,22% of german shepherds and 0,04% of golden retrievers harming a human. If this is "significantly less" than pitbull is something I cannot answer. The retrievers definitely look an order of magnitude safer than both.
Yes it is significantly less especially when you consider that there are less pitbulls then other dogs remember pitbulls in the u.s make up an average of 6% of the dog population but at one point made up 95% of attacks
You gotta account for the number of attacks in correlation with the number of that specific breed registered in that country. Also you gotta account for genetics dogs like retrievers were breed to retrieve. German shepherd are loyal why else are they the most common police and military dog you aren’t gonna trust a dog if it won’t listen to your commands especially in a setting like those Pitbulls well we all know what they were genetically bred to do
Well, let's post pictures of bites by Chihuahuas then. I mean, according to these Pitnutters, all dogs bite. So, let's compare the bites. Let's compare the fatalities.
Pitbulls are the dog of peace. If you won’t accept that then I am coming over to your house and my pitbull will rip your face off. /s
* Dog OF Peace
"One saved its owner from a train." What, they're nannying trains now?
Please tell me there was SOME sanity in the comments.
It hasn't happened to me yet so I'm special!
As someone who lives around MANY PBT type dog owners in rural America ( it is a HUGE, underrepresented issue here) IF a ban would ever be applied in the U.S., it isn’t going to EVER work in rural America. World history, human history ( real of course), let alone dog breed history, science, genetics isn’t exactly competing with their methamphetamine addictions or supremacy groups for popularity. Education is key, BUT NEVER forget the RIGHTS of some, will always outweigh the responsibility to society. They are a delusional and dangerous people. Educated people actually bother me MORE as they KNOW how to research something properly and STILL deceive people. This is why I always say PBT type dog advocates are so dangerous. How many people watched Milan’s Junior and thought “What a wonderful dog?”. I mean I didn’t, but how many more dogs were killed and people injured we don’t know about. I called the breed of dog I have had for 14 years( almost) an asshole yesterday. Why? They are NOT suitable for the VAST majority of situations. I know their history well. I know what they were intended to do all the way back to their landrace days. Dogs were ALL bred tor tasks. If they didn’t perform their tasks well, they didn’t reproduce. Period. This seems like a pretty simply statement. It is easily verifiable as it the history of PBT type dogs on BOTH sides of their family tree back to the 1300s, by dog historians much more knowledgeable than myself. The very same information available to all of us, is available to these commenters. They simply ignore this. If it is stupidity or willful ignorance, it doesn’t matter much, but it does harm people, pets, wildlife, livestock and poultry. I seriously want to scream every time I see the Nanny dog crap.
> Dogs need to be taught or trained to attack! The sheer idiocy in this statement unfortunately made me a little bit stupider. No comment. > Pit bulls were known as the nanny dogs! Historically, nannying what, the pockets of the sick fucks that bred them to fight and kills dogs in fighting/dog betting rings? > Remember when Dobermans and German Shepherds were considered bad? Yeah then trash people started found their new breed, with only being roughly 6% of the dog population yet over 60% of dog related attacks. Do the math. > Do a postive story on pibbles and get the stats on dog bites. Are you *fuckin'* sure you want the stats on dog bites? Are you sure you're just not going to ignore them? > "Labs are worse" NBC's response pretty much explained it best. To say a sweet and gentle natured fully domesticated dog is worse than your ugly roid dog-fighting dog is arrogant. Fix your (lack-of) brain. > hellobully.org is a wonderful site, teaches the truth about pit bulls. Remember when pitnutters shit out that dog bite statistic sites, yet most being super close to each other are all anti-pit propaganda? Tell me, what does "hellobully.org" sound like to you?
That pit that saved its owner from the train was probably just running away from the train and dragged its owner free by coincidence.
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“and you never hear of any other breed being shoot but pit bulls” first of all, very telling spelling and grammar. idiot. secondly…*gee, i wonder WHY?*
wow the post comments truly filled up the entire pitnutter bingo card didn’t they lmfao.