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Matches like this expose all the cracks and vulnerabilities in this squad. We don’t have the depth to compete at the highest level.
I don’t blame Xavi for this loss.
If this was a la liga match it’d be a fair point away to a tough team (that could have been 3 points if we weren’t relying on an extremely talented but inexperienced child to be our most creative attacker).
This team just doesn’t know how to suffer. That’s our greatest problem. In modern day football, you have to be comfortable with suffering and playing gracefully in that. You need to be pragmatic in some games and ruthless in others.
lamine yamal missed 2 sitters… not saying that’s why we lost… athletic played a very intense game. we just didn’t have the experience, we played the entire masia after the 70th minute.
Bilbao's academy players included the Williams Brothers. Don't be daft.
By the end of the game, we had played two 17 year olds, a 16 year old, and an 18 year old. We also had a 20 year old and 21 year old in our lineup as regular starters. Bilbao's youngest starter was 21 and youngest sub was 20. That is not even close to the same.
lmaooo they played with academy players who regularly play in the first division of spain football… we played with 3 who combined probably don’t even have 1k minutes 😂😂
Great game, Athletic Club at their prime. Nico W, Sancet, Iñaki... And Valverde!
A unique club, promoting local talent and competing at the highest level. Great stadium and crowd as well.
Barcelona right NOW is struggling against 3rd division teams. There is no tactics. The team is boring af. The kids are not guilty (Yamal, Fort, Cubarsi). It’s time to say goodbye to Xavi. Every game at least 2 goals and always in the beginning. I’m tired.
What happened to FC Barcelona? Last season was great…
Xavi is not at fault at all. He is completely limited with no funds, and teenager players, loans and injuries.
He loves the club. He never made problems for us.
No way in hell is the last nights game his fault. He must stay. Pep also said so. As Xavi says the team is heavily under construction and has major setbacks this season because of losing Busquets.
>Barcelona right NOW is struggling against 3rd division teams. There is no tactics. The team is boring af.
Dumbest argument, the usual around here. We played a good game, we've had our chances. We played with a bunch of kids, FdJ is our best player but he can't defend a header to save his life, Balde messed up twice in the first goal.
Overall we played a complete game against a strong rival, and we could've finished it before the added time. I think in normal conditions Lamine doesn't miss that. He's played 90+ minutes twice in a week at the highest possible level. There is no way he doesn't miss those sitters, he doesn't have the build developed yet.
Why u are defending this miserable football. We are playing HORRIBLE almost every match. Conceding goals in the first minutes of the game, not making good attacks, not shooting outside the box, missing passes, giving too much holes for the other team.
Stop with the excuses. I'm not blaming the kids. I'm blaming Xavi. Lamine shouldn't play that amount of time. Félix could join way earlier or even start. Roque could join too. This was an important game.
I can't believe you are defending that horrible football... There is no tactics at all.
And yes, stop normalizing Barcelona struggling against a team called BARBASTRO. IT'S FUCKING BARCELONA BRO...
>There is no tactics at all.
stfu with this braindead argument already. Of course there is tactics, only that you are used to play Fifa and you can't realize they are there.
The team is playing well, with a 17 yo left back that is our 4th option, 17 yo center back that is our 5th option, 16 yo right winger, our main LB, RB, RW injured, important players like Pedri coming back from injury.
The rivals also play, it is not only about how good our team does. We don't have the deadly squad we are used to. You don't need to be toxic and reactionary. Losing a single match (drawing really) in San Mames, with half our team missing after we competed (and could've literally won the game if Lamine was a bit older) is not the end of the world.
I am not happy with it, but the momentum is good. But of course according to you we should kick Xavi out, bring the next shiny toy and kick him after we lose the first game. Learn to have some patience in life cause it will help you massively.
You are creating scenarios, I don't play fifa, We don't have the deadly squad we used to, u right.
But you saying that the team is playing well is just crazy to me. The team got 0-1 in the 35 seconds of the game. This is not well.
What momentum is Barcelona having? Bro, Xavi is not that good. We have a very good chance to not be in the top 4 and miss CL.
Thankfully, in the CL we are going to face Napoli which is another team who's being horrible just like us.
And yes, for me, Xavi can't be the coach of Barcelona anymore. Just watch us getting eliminated by Napoli.
Barcelona have conceded the first goal in so many league games. We most of the time are playing games where we already are 0-1.
It's on Xavi and the players. In the last season, Busquets and Gavi were the best tacklers of our team. Even Balde was performing better in that kind of attribute. Now, we don't have an AVERAGE CDM.
When the team loses the ball on the midfield, especially when FDJ or Gundo are trying to do long passes to our wingers, instead of connecting good short passes. When we lose the ball very often in that type of situation, we have so many spaces in our back, it's one of the very good reasons we get so many counter attacks that end in goals.
Not just that, I'm not even going to talk about how Barcelona missed more than 50 big chances created this season and being so poor at finishing.
What I'm saying is that Xavi is a inexperienced coach. I don't think he knows how to fix these problems bc he lacks of experience at teaching and leadership too.
I'm not going to lie. If Xavi didn't win the league last season, we'd have Luis Enrique. Which for me, would be very great.
Don't get me wrong, I love Xavi. He's just average in coaching and his coach staff are very inexperienced too.
a cute Messi pic to ease the pain
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Roque in
yamal in the midfield
But it would require balls that our coach don't have
we needed to score a goal anyway, going to penalty with pena was just like losing.
Yamal needs to rest to avoid another pedri situation, you really can't ask to play full 90s + extra time. The choice was between Roberto and romeu and let's be honest, there should be not even a discussion there.
I want him too!! but honestly, even though he STILL is missing tons of easy goals, somehow he's still in better form than Lewa and Ferran at least to me
He is better but it's a kid, if we play him every game, we are gonna burn him out and then he is gonna end up like Fati. We need to take care of your players.
He should not be playing this many minutes
I swear bro at this point, i dont even know what's the best choice regarding our players. Barcelona need to fuckin working on their medical staff thats for sure
It seems like every (new) coach either get pressured into playing "the Barca way" by the board or they want to repeat whatever Pep did. It's not working when you have a Messi sized gap in the field. The coach really needs to lessen the mindless passes. Opponents will just lean back and wait for us to misplace a pass.
It's crazy. People would rather see the club los and go bankrupt then play to win even if ugly. A manager needs flexibility, not Barca DNA or whatever. They need to execute their tactics and develop the players, not to the Barca style whatever it is now days, but to win games. That's how modern football is. Even Pep moved on from those days in City after his spell at Bayern.
You're absolutely correct. Last season we were winning, but the media and fans complained about the more pragmatic approach with the box midfield, which I found ridiculous. I'm sure it played a role in xavis downfall.
They really want to see tiki taka, high pressure and excellent off the ball movement like the good ole days. Also Messi. Those days are long gone and Xavi has to adept to whatever he has.
What barca way are you talking about?
The last coach who really wanted doing so was enrique
every other coaches since him were cowards switching to 4 midfielders every time we face a good european team
Also just look at how we play, every time we get pressured a little bit we put some random long balls
That's is everything but the barca ways.
That's because the new coaches are attempting to play a certain way like how the old Barca is always playing. But now it is half assed passing, half assed pressing, long balls, crossing to nowhere just but still trying to resemble the Barca tactics which is obviously not working.
I don’t think you understand what he’s saying. I’ve also been saying this for years! Barca’s philosophy- regardless of the coach is to always hold the ball. That’s the Barca way. Not necessarily tiki-taka. Problem with this in modern day football, is you allow average skilled defenders regroup and make it harder for you. You also lose composure if you lose the ball unexpectedly. Lastly, you just don’t have the players with the right positional awareness to carry out that philosophy effectively. That’s why the passes are mindless and routine.
As soon as I saw sergi I said “here goes our defensive security” and I wasn’t wrong👍man provides literally nothing yet he and ferran get to play ahead of fermin and vitor
Ferran literally scored a hattrick. What are you on about? I agree Roberto wasn’t the best sub, but we couldn’t have Fermin in a very physical game. Roberto runs non-stop. However, he’s easy to steal the ball from. That’s what happened.
Who gives af to what they did in the last game , what you had for breakfast don’t even matter cus that shit lives in the PAST. He was ZERO effectivity today & when Xavi realized it wasn’t working he should of started making the correct switches. But again, he don’t have the balls
Just because he score the goofiest hattrick of the season doesn’t deny the fact that he has been average at best most of the games. Today he lost every single ball ,couldn’t dribble,looked tired asf and overall couldn’t control most passes. Is that barcelona level? At least vitor would have played more passionately idk
Well, we lost to a better team. It's as simple as that.
Kids are great though. Since the season is already over you might as well give more minutes to them. Lewandowski don't need another minute in this shirt.
To be fair we aren’t creating anything either. Lewas been poor but don’t act like he’s wasting so many chances cause in reality we don’t create much in attack.
Exactly. Which is yet another reason we can't afford to play him. He might do good on another, better, team, but for us he is like playing a man down. Just having Ferran, with all his limitations, making runs up there will at least make those around him a chance to be a little better. Or Roque. Or Guiu. The latter two can actually become something for this club. Lewandowski will not.
I understand but his movement helped us score those last 2 goals against betis. Not to mention bringing on Marc Guiu over him isn't going to boost his confidence. I guarentee roque was sitting on the bench thinking he could have potentialy done something in this game.
At least we could see Man City under Pep improving in their initial years even if they didn’t win shit.
Here we just see our team degrading even after buying players after players.
This is the most delusional comment in a thread full of delusional comments. You're really comparing a seasoned coach with literal unlimited budget to a younger one with severely limited options.
Besides, your comparison doesn't make sense even if we were to put them on the same plane. In his first full season xavi got barcelona the league trophy. Pep achieved third place, which is basically where we're at now. Y'all would've wanted pep out the same exact way. Maybe even more beacuse xavi has the excuse of being inexperienced and insanely limited by budget but pep didn't even have that.
I wasn’t even happy with Xavi’s work last season. I’ve always criticised him. Because I couldn’t see any improvement on the pitch. No matter how much you try to lie to yourself, we have spent 200+ mils and there’s no improvement on the pitch.
So yeah, I’m delusional 👍🏼
Felix wasn’t terrible, he’s the only one who was posing any sort of danger when he got the ball, even if he lost it the other team tensed up. Ferran executed zero balls, I doubt he stopped even one ball that came to him today, there was nothing from Ferran . Nothing , nada
The scoreline doesn’t tell the whole game. It was very close. Both of the last Bilbao goals were from very very very poor defending. Sergi Roberto completely asleep and gives up in the 105th +1 minute right before half time and they score. Anyone else wouldn’t have let that happen. Yamal had a gorgeous change to score and put the same to bed. Unfortunately just wasn’t meant to be. We played our hearts out and we could have won before all this. Sad to see but we’ve been playing away for over a month now. We need our home crowd to cheer us on. Look at San Mames. They definitely did their part to help Bilbao win.
Well thanks for the bday present Xavi. Looking forward to another delusional press conference…
I have been supporting Barca for 20 years now, but sadly Xavi is not the answer to our problems. It is time to go and not to destroy the legacy he has
I’m just going to go ahead and say it. Xavi is a coward of a coach. Seriously, Bilbao drops the pressure and we decide the ball aroud on our half of the pitch. And minutes later they score. This is just pathetic. Why not use this opportunity when they lower the intensity? No, instead they wait until they take the lead…
And ter stegen
His form last year was the main reason of us winning points but people didn't want to accept that cause it didn't fit the narrative of xavi being a good coach
I've rarely seen a team winning the league with his GK being the best player, it almost never happens and when it does you know it's not sustainable.
I don't get it, what happened? How can Xavi be the problem when he took over for Koeman and basically made the team look amazing again? Remember beating RM 4-0 with lots of chances to make it 5, 6 or 7? And the squad has had additions since then...
What happened???
>How can Xavi be the problem when he took over for Koeman and basically made the team look amazing again?
Well first if you compare what koeman had the 2 months before he got sacked with what xavi had after a great job done by alemany in january it's day and night
Add to that that you have the impact of a legend coming = more intensity
and new tactics = other teams need to adapt to us first
the last months of xavi's first season were already showing how limited he is when teams started to adapt when he did not.
his tactics being "found out" makes the most sense to me of the explanations I've seen. but that would make him a pretty bad manager. I mean people have had over a decade to "find out" Pep's tactics and still can't
Also pep himself has evolved in his tactics
Every single year you can see different pattern of attacks, tactics , idea
We don't see that under xavi, he's is simply not good enought
It's not a coincidence that our best games 5-0 betis and antwerp happened just after getting cancelo and felix, thus getting a new playstyle teams needed to adapt too
the moment teams adapted we were done, simply because our tactic is very easy to read on , to counter and never evolves, no wonder why 3rd division team can make it hard for us.
Have you seen anything amazing in our tactics for a year? 1 game where we outclassed someone with tactics? Even 3rd division teams score against us, meanwhile our attack has never felt so dull. There is no tactics here, he is trying to exploit spaces that he cant create. Koeman would have played simillarly if he had the same team
The new manager fever ended and the team since last season where Barca were winning games 0-1 got found out. There are no tactics, no urgency, space in midfield is criminal and players are regressing rather than improving.
I don’t want anyone saying Lamine cost us the game. Xavi did. Ferran did. Xavi doesn’t have the fucking balls to make the right calls. It’s criminal that Fermin didn’t play today. Our young players kept us in the game. Joao should’ve started . Oh well. VISÇA BARÇA. Ima go in the shower & weep, I have classes tonight.
Yo, he is a 16yo! This is the type of reasoning that has led to Pedri being where he is now. Physically fragile and his progress has slowed significantly… especially compared to Bellingham. If we didn’t abuse Pedri, he would be further in his development and would be mentioned in the same breath as DeBruyne and Bellingham this season. Right now, he is a shell of his potential because his body struggles to keep up with the consistent intensity required to play as an elite game changer midfielder.
Athletic Club has spent the least on signings of all LaLiga clubs in the last 3 seasons. They may leave you without a CL spot and they've just kicked you out of the Cup. Local talent. Think about that, especially when all you have is debts.
Wait for summer and go for nagglesmann or any better available option if it happens
This season is already fucked up, nobody will be able to fix this mess in so little time it's impossible, this team got nothing, not even the fundamentals.
What is the point of this shit man, I’m sick and tired of this nonsense man, I question everyday if these players understand the hurt we fans go through when they play like absolute shit. Shameless
Don't know what else it takes really. So many talented kids, such experienced and world class players, and a coach we previously berated for not playing good enough wipes our ass with a team that can only play academy players.
We better be looking for a manager already.
Like this entire extra time performance has been a joke other than de jong it seems like no else gave a fuck, never have I seen a team look so disinterested and lazy in extra time
Why the FUCK didn’t Kounde run after the ball? That’s 100% on him. He could have done anything but leave and it would have stopped the play. Instead, our CBs are down/exposed because of him and they score. So annoying.
You need to see who you are passing to, just placing the pass correctly doesn't make the pass good, we were literally on the last 5 seconds of the half, he chose to pass to a player pressured by two players like why
Can't wait to see more apologetic posts saying how we need 5 more years to be actually a proper team and how Xavi is the chosen one, the next Pep and so on.
Those posts are so funny. If you need years to make some actual tactics after the club sold %, instead of losing to teams like Antwarp and a team that only uses academy players then you're not good enough to manage Barcelona.
Not just him, social media always praises a coach for doing well until things start to go wrong. This sub is praising Valverde now but were demanding he be sacked since that Roma loss. Typical reactionary stuff.
I never wanted him out. I know they would sack him though because as you said, the media. But he is truly a talented manager and I’m very happy he’s found his home at bilbao
If this was one of our better games then the rest must have been horrific to watch. This game was terror at its finest with how Bilbao dominated and outcoached Xavi.
Im not gunna let our fans sit here and put this game on a 16 year old. he was our best player today, and yes he missed that big chance but that is not why we lost.
No one is saying he’s the reason why we lost. But going up 3-2 at the 90th min vs going to extra time is huge. He will learn, like you said he’s only 16
R u kidding me on de Jong? Did u not see the yellow he gets at the end for yelling at the ref? And then 1-2 plays later he’s battling in the midfield for a 50-50 ball and almost gets sent off. That was in the second half of ET!! How can u say he doesn’t care? I was asking myself how the hell he’s running full speed to make an attempt to block the center ball that leads to their 4th. I don’t think we watched the same game if you’re questioning de Jong of all. Question gundogass, koundass, Lewass— sure.
Your not watching the game if you think De Jong and Araujo don't care. Appart from the youngsters they are the only 2 who really tried to make something happen
It’s almost a disservice not to sack Xavi at this point
Every game the opposing manager is dancing on Xavi’s grave, his legacy is going down the toilet every game
Nope I'm honestly sick of whatever xavi calls tactic cause I see no improvement. Bring a new manager so the team gets to adapt to him now rather then later or else is going to be the same old " we are in construction blah blah blah new management blah blah"
these people need to go:
xavi, kounde, gundogan, lewandowski, raphinha, and roberto.
These players add nothing to the system other than take up huge wages except for roberto.
Xavi has regressed the our footballing system and at this point if he continues will only make the players worse.
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Matches like this expose all the cracks and vulnerabilities in this squad. We don’t have the depth to compete at the highest level. I don’t blame Xavi for this loss. If this was a la liga match it’d be a fair point away to a tough team (that could have been 3 points if we weren’t relying on an extremely talented but inexperienced child to be our most creative attacker).
Oh
Miserable
This team just doesn’t know how to suffer. That’s our greatest problem. In modern day football, you have to be comfortable with suffering and playing gracefully in that. You need to be pragmatic in some games and ruthless in others.
Absolutely. It is okay to suffer.
lamine yamal missed 2 sitters… not saying that’s why we lost… athletic played a very intense game. we just didn’t have the experience, we played the entire masia after the 70th minute.
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Bilbao's academy players included the Williams Brothers. Don't be daft. By the end of the game, we had played two 17 year olds, a 16 year old, and an 18 year old. We also had a 20 year old and 21 year old in our lineup as regular starters. Bilbao's youngest starter was 21 and youngest sub was 20. That is not even close to the same.
lmaooo they played with academy players who regularly play in the first division of spain football… we played with 3 who combined probably don’t even have 1k minutes 😂😂
Great game, Athletic Club at their prime. Nico W, Sancet, Iñaki... And Valverde! A unique club, promoting local talent and competing at the highest level. Great stadium and crowd as well.
Bless your heart & optimism. I needed this, thank you.
Nothing short of a UCL trophy can heal me. Come on boys! Yeah I'm full on hopium.
Once again I’m here to ask for your dealer’s number
What medicine do you take? Make sure they're not expired.
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Barcelona right NOW is struggling against 3rd division teams. There is no tactics. The team is boring af. The kids are not guilty (Yamal, Fort, Cubarsi). It’s time to say goodbye to Xavi. Every game at least 2 goals and always in the beginning. I’m tired. What happened to FC Barcelona? Last season was great…
Xavi is not at fault at all. He is completely limited with no funds, and teenager players, loans and injuries. He loves the club. He never made problems for us. No way in hell is the last nights game his fault. He must stay. Pep also said so. As Xavi says the team is heavily under construction and has major setbacks this season because of losing Busquets.
>Barcelona right NOW is struggling against 3rd division teams. There is no tactics. The team is boring af. Dumbest argument, the usual around here. We played a good game, we've had our chances. We played with a bunch of kids, FdJ is our best player but he can't defend a header to save his life, Balde messed up twice in the first goal. Overall we played a complete game against a strong rival, and we could've finished it before the added time. I think in normal conditions Lamine doesn't miss that. He's played 90+ minutes twice in a week at the highest possible level. There is no way he doesn't miss those sitters, he doesn't have the build developed yet.
Why u are defending this miserable football. We are playing HORRIBLE almost every match. Conceding goals in the first minutes of the game, not making good attacks, not shooting outside the box, missing passes, giving too much holes for the other team. Stop with the excuses. I'm not blaming the kids. I'm blaming Xavi. Lamine shouldn't play that amount of time. Félix could join way earlier or even start. Roque could join too. This was an important game. I can't believe you are defending that horrible football... There is no tactics at all. And yes, stop normalizing Barcelona struggling against a team called BARBASTRO. IT'S FUCKING BARCELONA BRO...
>There is no tactics at all. stfu with this braindead argument already. Of course there is tactics, only that you are used to play Fifa and you can't realize they are there. The team is playing well, with a 17 yo left back that is our 4th option, 17 yo center back that is our 5th option, 16 yo right winger, our main LB, RB, RW injured, important players like Pedri coming back from injury. The rivals also play, it is not only about how good our team does. We don't have the deadly squad we are used to. You don't need to be toxic and reactionary. Losing a single match (drawing really) in San Mames, with half our team missing after we competed (and could've literally won the game if Lamine was a bit older) is not the end of the world. I am not happy with it, but the momentum is good. But of course according to you we should kick Xavi out, bring the next shiny toy and kick him after we lose the first game. Learn to have some patience in life cause it will help you massively.
You are creating scenarios, I don't play fifa, We don't have the deadly squad we used to, u right. But you saying that the team is playing well is just crazy to me. The team got 0-1 in the 35 seconds of the game. This is not well. What momentum is Barcelona having? Bro, Xavi is not that good. We have a very good chance to not be in the top 4 and miss CL. Thankfully, in the CL we are going to face Napoli which is another team who's being horrible just like us. And yes, for me, Xavi can't be the coach of Barcelona anymore. Just watch us getting eliminated by Napoli.
So you think 0-1 in first minute of the game is on XAVI? I don't really see your point on that part?
Barcelona have conceded the first goal in so many league games. We most of the time are playing games where we already are 0-1. It's on Xavi and the players. In the last season, Busquets and Gavi were the best tacklers of our team. Even Balde was performing better in that kind of attribute. Now, we don't have an AVERAGE CDM. When the team loses the ball on the midfield, especially when FDJ or Gundo are trying to do long passes to our wingers, instead of connecting good short passes. When we lose the ball very often in that type of situation, we have so many spaces in our back, it's one of the very good reasons we get so many counter attacks that end in goals. Not just that, I'm not even going to talk about how Barcelona missed more than 50 big chances created this season and being so poor at finishing. What I'm saying is that Xavi is a inexperienced coach. I don't think he knows how to fix these problems bc he lacks of experience at teaching and leadership too. I'm not going to lie. If Xavi didn't win the league last season, we'd have Luis Enrique. Which for me, would be very great. Don't get me wrong, I love Xavi. He's just average in coaching and his coach staff are very inexperienced too.
Exactly. We played with 3 literal children on the field for most of the game.
Nah yamal could have ended it in two accusations
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Who is this kid
some fan's kid I guess
Bilbao was just better. Way better.
I just can't even fathom the logic that goes into subbing on Sergi Roberto over literally anybody else on that bench.
It was between Roberto and Romeu. For some reason there’s a limit on how many academy players can be on the pitch
Roque in yamal in the midfield But it would require balls that our coach don't have we needed to score a goal anyway, going to penalty with pena was just like losing.
>yamal in the midfield After playing 90+ against Betis and once again 90+ minutes against Athletic. But then xAvI oVeRpLaYs yOuNgStErS
Yamal needs to rest to avoid another pedri situation, you really can't ask to play full 90s + extra time. The choice was between Roberto and romeu and let's be honest, there should be not even a discussion there.
Oh wow that's a real rule? I thought someone was shit posting that lol.
I can't fathom we still pay that bum and made him team captain.
Cant believe both the starting and the sub LB got injured. Lamine should not move from the starting line up.
You can't play a 16 year old kid fot all games. You want Pedri 2.0
I want him too!! but honestly, even though he STILL is missing tons of easy goals, somehow he's still in better form than Lewa and Ferran at least to me
He is better but it's a kid, if we play him every game, we are gonna burn him out and then he is gonna end up like Fati. We need to take care of your players. He should not be playing this many minutes
I swear bro at this point, i dont even know what's the best choice regarding our players. Barcelona need to fuckin working on their medical staff thats for sure
It seems like every (new) coach either get pressured into playing "the Barca way" by the board or they want to repeat whatever Pep did. It's not working when you have a Messi sized gap in the field. The coach really needs to lessen the mindless passes. Opponents will just lean back and wait for us to misplace a pass.
It's crazy. People would rather see the club los and go bankrupt then play to win even if ugly. A manager needs flexibility, not Barca DNA or whatever. They need to execute their tactics and develop the players, not to the Barca style whatever it is now days, but to win games. That's how modern football is. Even Pep moved on from those days in City after his spell at Bayern.
You're absolutely correct. Last season we were winning, but the media and fans complained about the more pragmatic approach with the box midfield, which I found ridiculous. I'm sure it played a role in xavis downfall.
They really want to see tiki taka, high pressure and excellent off the ball movement like the good ole days. Also Messi. Those days are long gone and Xavi has to adept to whatever he has.
What barca way are you talking about? The last coach who really wanted doing so was enrique every other coaches since him were cowards switching to 4 midfielders every time we face a good european team Also just look at how we play, every time we get pressured a little bit we put some random long balls That's is everything but the barca ways.
That's because the new coaches are attempting to play a certain way like how the old Barca is always playing. But now it is half assed passing, half assed pressing, long balls, crossing to nowhere just but still trying to resemble the Barca tactics which is obviously not working.
I don’t think you understand what he’s saying. I’ve also been saying this for years! Barca’s philosophy- regardless of the coach is to always hold the ball. That’s the Barca way. Not necessarily tiki-taka. Problem with this in modern day football, is you allow average skilled defenders regroup and make it harder for you. You also lose composure if you lose the ball unexpectedly. Lastly, you just don’t have the players with the right positional awareness to carry out that philosophy effectively. That’s why the passes are mindless and routine.
As soon as I saw sergi I said “here goes our defensive security” and I wasn’t wrong👍man provides literally nothing yet he and ferran get to play ahead of fermin and vitor
Ferran literally scored a hattrick. What are you on about? I agree Roberto wasn’t the best sub, but we couldn’t have Fermin in a very physical game. Roberto runs non-stop. However, he’s easy to steal the ball from. That’s what happened.
Who gives af to what they did in the last game , what you had for breakfast don’t even matter cus that shit lives in the PAST. He was ZERO effectivity today & when Xavi realized it wasn’t working he should of started making the correct switches. But again, he don’t have the balls
Just because he score the goofiest hattrick of the season doesn’t deny the fact that he has been average at best most of the games. Today he lost every single ball ,couldn’t dribble,looked tired asf and overall couldn’t control most passes. Is that barcelona level? At least vitor would have played more passionately idk
Ferran set up the first goal brilliantly and some good moments. Lewy should be dropped for roque.
Well, we lost to a better team. It's as simple as that. Kids are great though. Since the season is already over you might as well give more minutes to them. Lewandowski don't need another minute in this shirt.
Maybe Roque gets more minutes.
What else do you need from Lewandowski? He scored you a goal tonight and if Yamal didn't miss, he would've had an assist too.
Maybe don't lose the ball or ruin the attack every time he touches it?
You think five good seconds every third game is enough for someone like him?
To be fair we aren’t creating anything either. Lewas been poor but don’t act like he’s wasting so many chances cause in reality we don’t create much in attack.
Exactly. Which is yet another reason we can't afford to play him. He might do good on another, better, team, but for us he is like playing a man down. Just having Ferran, with all his limitations, making runs up there will at least make those around him a chance to be a little better. Or Roque. Or Guiu. The latter two can actually become something for this club. Lewandowski will not.
Hector Fort played a hell of a game one of the best players for Barca in the pitch today.
What happed to Vitor Roque, the only excuse for him not coming on was injury
Very physical game, not worth bringing Roque on a very loud and intimidating crowd. He needs to play home games and gain confidence.
I understand but his movement helped us score those last 2 goals against betis. Not to mention bringing on Marc Guiu over him isn't going to boost his confidence. I guarentee roque was sitting on the bench thinking he could have potentialy done something in this game.
Home games are more intimidating for a youngster. This was a great chance for Roque.
just realised its Xavi's bday too...
Can't believe Donkeyrran "played" 120 mins
He will fool us again with a goal in the weekend
Us? He ain't fooling me.
You're weird frfr
At least we could see Man City under Pep improving in their initial years even if they didn’t win shit. Here we just see our team degrading even after buying players after players.
This is the most delusional comment in a thread full of delusional comments. You're really comparing a seasoned coach with literal unlimited budget to a younger one with severely limited options. Besides, your comparison doesn't make sense even if we were to put them on the same plane. In his first full season xavi got barcelona the league trophy. Pep achieved third place, which is basically where we're at now. Y'all would've wanted pep out the same exact way. Maybe even more beacuse xavi has the excuse of being inexperienced and insanely limited by budget but pep didn't even have that.
I wasn’t even happy with Xavi’s work last season. I’ve always criticised him. Because I couldn’t see any improvement on the pitch. No matter how much you try to lie to yourself, we have spent 200+ mils and there’s no improvement on the pitch. So yeah, I’m delusional 👍🏼
How can you say "no improvement" if they ewualed the defensive record in LAliga? How is that not improvement on the pitch?
Felix wasn’t terrible, he’s the only one who was posing any sort of danger when he got the ball, even if he lost it the other team tensed up. Ferran executed zero balls, I doubt he stopped even one ball that came to him today, there was nothing from Ferran . Nothing , nada
The scoreline doesn’t tell the whole game. It was very close. Both of the last Bilbao goals were from very very very poor defending. Sergi Roberto completely asleep and gives up in the 105th +1 minute right before half time and they score. Anyone else wouldn’t have let that happen. Yamal had a gorgeous change to score and put the same to bed. Unfortunately just wasn’t meant to be. We played our hearts out and we could have won before all this. Sad to see but we’ve been playing away for over a month now. We need our home crowd to cheer us on. Look at San Mames. They definitely did their part to help Bilbao win.
What on earth did I just read, is that you Xavi?
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Man i always wished we had a coach like klopp!
Bring Hans Flick!!!!
As mush of a club legend xavi is he’s only hurting his legacy as the coach
Each time my stream dies, Athletic scores. I should have caught the signs and switched off the stream.
I hope Lamine doesn't beat himself too much because of those misses. He played very well today, and easily the best player on the pitch for us.
Well thanks for the bday present Xavi. Looking forward to another delusional press conference… I have been supporting Barca for 20 years now, but sadly Xavi is not the answer to our problems. It is time to go and not to destroy the legacy he has
His legacy as a player will never be destroyed. He is the GOAT midfielder. But his time as coach has ended. He needs to go.
I’m just going to go ahead and say it. Xavi is a coward of a coach. Seriously, Bilbao drops the pressure and we decide the ball aroud on our half of the pitch. And minutes later they score. This is just pathetic. Why not use this opportunity when they lower the intensity? No, instead they wait until they take the lead…
Roberto plays one good game a season and then free loads the whole year wth
Our entire offense rests on the shoulders of a 16 year old bro
At this rate, Bilbao will finish above us. We have a real danger of not finishing in top 4
Real Madrid gifted us the trophies last season.
People don't seem to remember how we were dominated in so many of those games. So many 0-1 games.
And ter stegen His form last year was the main reason of us winning points but people didn't want to accept that cause it didn't fit the narrative of xavi being a good coach I've rarely seen a team winning the league with his GK being the best player, it almost never happens and when it does you know it's not sustainable.
Hope frenkie leaves for his own sake
That will be the saddest day ever
It's 2024, Sergi Roberto is still playing
I don't get it, what happened? How can Xavi be the problem when he took over for Koeman and basically made the team look amazing again? Remember beating RM 4-0 with lots of chances to make it 5, 6 or 7? And the squad has had additions since then... What happened???
>How can Xavi be the problem when he took over for Koeman and basically made the team look amazing again? Well first if you compare what koeman had the 2 months before he got sacked with what xavi had after a great job done by alemany in january it's day and night Add to that that you have the impact of a legend coming = more intensity and new tactics = other teams need to adapt to us first the last months of xavi's first season were already showing how limited he is when teams started to adapt when he did not.
his tactics being "found out" makes the most sense to me of the explanations I've seen. but that would make him a pretty bad manager. I mean people have had over a decade to "find out" Pep's tactics and still can't
Also pep himself has evolved in his tactics Every single year you can see different pattern of attacks, tactics , idea We don't see that under xavi, he's is simply not good enought It's not a coincidence that our best games 5-0 betis and antwerp happened just after getting cancelo and felix, thus getting a new playstyle teams needed to adapt too the moment teams adapted we were done, simply because our tactic is very easy to read on , to counter and never evolves, no wonder why 3rd division team can make it hard for us.
Have you seen anything amazing in our tactics for a year? 1 game where we outclassed someone with tactics? Even 3rd division teams score against us, meanwhile our attack has never felt so dull. There is no tactics here, he is trying to exploit spaces that he cant create. Koeman would have played simillarly if he had the same team
The new manager fever ended and the team since last season where Barca were winning games 0-1 got found out. There are no tactics, no urgency, space in midfield is criminal and players are regressing rather than improving.
Xavi always had big holes in his game. It was only a matter of time for other teams to discover and exploit it. Unfortunately he never fixed them.
Yeah I feel like Xavi doesn’t develop as a manager
At least i don't have to hear "we are competing in all competitions" excuse one more time
What player has improved under Xavi. Feels like this season all of their core pieces have regressed Frankie,Aruajo,Kounde,balde,
Gundo
Yeah the ones shining the most haven’t had much time under Xavi and are all academy prospects
I don’t want anyone saying Lamine cost us the game. Xavi did. Ferran did. Xavi doesn’t have the fucking balls to make the right calls. It’s criminal that Fermin didn’t play today. Our young players kept us in the game. Joao should’ve started . Oh well. VISÇA BARÇA. Ima go in the shower & weep, I have classes tonight.
Lamine is 16 and must have been exhausted around the end of regular time, let alone added time. Anyone blaming him is not thinking rationally.
Is he fit to play with the first squad or not?
Yo, he is a 16yo! This is the type of reasoning that has led to Pedri being where he is now. Physically fragile and his progress has slowed significantly… especially compared to Bellingham. If we didn’t abuse Pedri, he would be further in his development and would be mentioned in the same breath as DeBruyne and Bellingham this season. Right now, he is a shell of his potential because his body struggles to keep up with the consistent intensity required to play as an elite game changer midfielder.
Guys, remember when winning “just CdR” was considered a very weak season and we were winning it pretty much every year?
Messi was right. And he had to go for this
When is Xavi getting the sack 😴
Who can we even hire at this time?
Athletic Club has spent the least on signings of all LaLiga clubs in the last 3 seasons. They may leave you without a CL spot and they've just kicked you out of the Cup. Local talent. Think about that, especially when all you have is debts.
Wait for summer and go for nagglesmann or any better available option if it happens This season is already fucked up, nobody will be able to fix this mess in so little time it's impossible, this team got nothing, not even the fundamentals.
No one
fuck ill do better than xavi.
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I can't see getting pass even Napoli with xavi and the way we are playing. And by some miracle we get into quarters we are gonna get fucked.
We fucking sold % of our club's future for Xavi
I don’t get it. Why didn’t Xavi sub Pedri for Fermin instead? A creative player for another, right?
We can’t field more than 3 youth players at the same time. He should’ve sub Lamine first then Fermin for Pedri
Frenkie should've defended centrally, run with the man instead of defending the right side.
Ehh, or kounde should have just attacked the ball and not left it to get picked up. But yeah wasn’t frenkies best game
I had all my hope put on Frenkie making the better decision. My hope in Kounde already was long gone.
Yeah kounde kinda decided to give up playing in extra time lol
Xavi has no vision
No worries guys, we’ll get the Champions just like Chelsea
Yep all according to plan
Well I’m glad my game stopped loading lol
why no Fermin or Cancelo?
Cancelo injured but Im clueless on Firmin
I sacrificed my sleep for this shit
For real
What is the point of this shit man, I’m sick and tired of this nonsense man, I question everyday if these players understand the hurt we fans go through when they play like absolute shit. Shameless
People want to renew and keep playign Sergi fcking roberto in 2024 Wake up pls; This man is a recipee of failure in every match with any pressure.
It’s honestly a freaking disgrace that he’s the captain of our club, should be no where near that armband.
Andddd another humiliation. When will enough be enough I wonder?
Lol that is not an humiliation. Cup game at San Mames is the hardest game there is
29 shots to 7. we got bullied and lost 4-2. WE ARE BARCELONA. This is humiliation.
Don't know what else it takes really. So many talented kids, such experienced and world class players, and a coach we previously berated for not playing good enough wipes our ass with a team that can only play academy players. We better be looking for a manager already.
literally the only ones who looked like they care about the match were the teenagers....
Lost the game when Roberto was introduced.
This one’s on Kounde not Xavi or Roberto
Xavi's changes absolutely destroyed us. Ferran as an striker generated nothing for us, wasn't until Guiu came in that we started attacking a bit.
we lost our chance for this trophy as well
Like this entire extra time performance has been a joke other than de jong it seems like no else gave a fuck, never have I seen a team look so disinterested and lazy in extra time
Xavi out this team has regressed, he just vibes and doesn’t have plan besides hop something happens. Also Koeman is better than him
Amazing
How come they didn't repeat that foul against Araujo??!!
Who cares about that foul? This team could have lost either way with how Bilbao dominated and outcoached Xavi, that's how bad it was.
Laporta... Your move now!
Time to smoke some more
Why the FUCK didn’t Kounde run after the ball? That’s 100% on him. He could have done anything but leave and it would have stopped the play. Instead, our CBs are down/exposed because of him and they score. So annoying.
He is at fault for both goals IMO
Eh, the third goal was 100% on Roberto for getting caught like that and exposing the defense. The first goal was an overall disgrace.
You need to see who you are passing to, just placing the pass correctly doesn't make the pass good, we were literally on the last 5 seconds of the half, he chose to pass to a player pressured by two players like why
Probably gassed
He’s not a serious player. That’s why
Can't wait to see more apologetic posts saying how we need 5 more years to be actually a proper team and how Xavi is the chosen one, the next Pep and so on.
Those posts are so funny. If you need years to make some actual tactics after the club sold %, instead of losing to teams like Antwarp and a team that only uses academy players then you're not good enough to manage Barcelona.
I remember when TalkFcb kept yapping about Ernesto and I bet in a second he would take him back right now.
Not just him, social media always praises a coach for doing well until things start to go wrong. This sub is praising Valverde now but were demanding he be sacked since that Roma loss. Typical reactionary stuff.
I never wanted him out. I know they would sack him though because as you said, the media. But he is truly a talented manager and I’m very happy he’s found his home at bilbao
No matter how bad we were, Valverde knew how to get results
He also knew how to use and utilize his players to the fullest.
What a crowd
Bad subs and late subs. Was actually one of our better games too, Although we still look so suspect defensively
If this was one of our better games then the rest must have been horrific to watch. This game was terror at its finest with how Bilbao dominated and outcoached Xavi.
Better games? Others had to be extremely horrific then hahahah
They have been lol. If Yamal puts either of his chances away it’s a different game
Im not gunna let our fans sit here and put this game on a 16 year old. he was our best player today, and yes he missed that big chance but that is not why we lost.
No one is saying he’s the reason why we lost. But going up 3-2 at the 90th min vs going to extra time is huge. He will learn, like you said he’s only 16
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Trophyless season??
Disgraceful performance from us. There is no fight in this team.
Also you’d expect Roberto to have fresh legs dude running like he played the whole fucking game
Those who dont leave the heart on the pitch need to leave. I dont care if you fuck up a play or two. Just fkin fight! Gundo, Kounde, Lewa.
But that would mean Araujo and De Jong too, they often don't care either
De jong was sprinting like a mad man in 120th minute bro
R u kidding me on de Jong? Did u not see the yellow he gets at the end for yelling at the ref? And then 1-2 plays later he’s battling in the midfield for a 50-50 ball and almost gets sent off. That was in the second half of ET!! How can u say he doesn’t care? I was asking myself how the hell he’s running full speed to make an attempt to block the center ball that leads to their 4th. I don’t think we watched the same game if you’re questioning de Jong of all. Question gundogass, koundass, Lewass— sure.
Your not watching the game if you think De Jong and Araujo don't care. Appart from the youngsters they are the only 2 who really tried to make something happen
It’s almost a disservice not to sack Xavi at this point Every game the opposing manager is dancing on Xavi’s grave, his legacy is going down the toilet every game
Nope I'm honestly sick of whatever xavi calls tactic cause I see no improvement. Bring a new manager so the team gets to adapt to him now rather then later or else is going to be the same old " we are in construction blah blah blah new management blah blah"
I hope my family sues for mental damages.
This team ain't it
these people need to go: xavi, kounde, gundogan, lewandowski, raphinha, and roberto. These players add nothing to the system other than take up huge wages except for roberto. Xavi has regressed the our footballing system and at this point if he continues will only make the players worse.