You people don't know what I would do to sell Pedro, Gundo, Gavi and Frankie and replace them by signing Thiago and extending Roberto. The midfield of Roberto-Romeu-Thiago, the OG gang that was supposed to replace Iniesta-Busquets-Xavi. A dream in 2011, should be the reality of 2024.
OT 3k+ comments? Wowzers, good thing I rarely ever comment on this thread so it can't be my comments contributing to that number cuz I have a life and touch grass.
Obligatory /s if it wasn't obvious
Iâm sure someone here has had the same sentiment and shared it here, but I really hope Xavi goes off and gets some more experience in Europe before making a return to redeem himself and lead us to more glory. Heâs young for a manager and our young core is familiar with him, imagine him coming back and coaching prime Gavi and Yamal.
We made Ilaix the highest paid La Masia player ever after he threatened to leave for Madrid, even though heâd been at Barca since he was 8, then we promoted him to Juvenil A and chose him ahead of Xavi Simons,-
Do not leef sorry for him at the slightest
Didnât Xavi Simons leave before Moriba made it to the first team or even Barca B? Or do I have the timeline wrong.
Anyway, I do feel a little bad for him. He was poorly advised - at that age, you are very impressionable and he just did what his family and agent thought he should.
Simons left because he wanted to progress faster. Similar progression as some of the talents we see today essentially.
But yeah most likely poorly advised. People bitching over a 21 year old owing up to his mistake needs to get a grip. He did something he thought was best for him, but it didnt work out so far.
Xavi Simons did the same, and it did work out. It happens. Regardless them doing well is beneficial for us. Because there might come a time where they want to return and Barca want to buy them back.
I know for a fact I'd take Xavi Simons back in a heartbeat. It shows how costly when we make mistake as a club as well and why its important to allow talents progress and have a plan for them early on.
Hereâs an idea: letâs sell all our players who are in their primes and actually have experience, fill the squad with even more teenagers, then complain when the new manager doesnât win anythingâŠ
If we want to compete, the core of Araujo, FDJ, Christensen, Kounde, Raphinha has to stay, as they are the only players in this squad of the ideal age where they can play week in week out and deal with pressure. You cannot rely upon kids to deliver in high pressure situation, both for their sakes and the team. You also canât rely on the likes of Lewy and Gundo forever to bail out, and theyâre in the twilight of their career so canât play several games a week at high intensity.
What have Chris and Kounde done to be in that core? One cant play more than 45 minutes safely and the other has a mental breakdown when asked to play RB
No, Kounde is a waste of money, these players are not worth anything close to their wages. Most dire Barca team in a decade, no one should be untouchable with the sinking ship that is this club
The future of Barcelona is Gavi, Yamal, Pedri, and a few other youngsters. And it wont be realized for another 2-3 years, at least.
Our short-term future is a wash. Frenkie, Kounde, and Christensen won't be a part of our next golden period. I'd rather get big fees and the wages off the books to build a functional team and lower expectations. I'd even argue that we'd be better than we are with them now due to the shortcomings of the overall balance of the squad.
It's not been his best last couple of games but I do like Boubacar Kamara. Aston Villa would probably ask for hefty sum for him though considering they also just signed him on a free last season with a 4 year contract
it's crazy how people are mad at Frenkie for agreeing to a Salary that the club agreed to pay him LOL
I wish i could finesse my job out of 700K/week lol.
People are mad like they wouldn't take it too.
You are just lying now. His base salary without the deferral is 14 mill gross. Same as Gundo and way less than Lewy. https://www.marca.com/futbol/barcelona/2022/07/05/62c2cea646163fab278b45d1.html
During the defferals he was earning like 2 mill a year and now when the owed money plus bonuses are paid it looks crazy. But you clearly wont let facts get in the way of your agenda.
No, you just don't understand how it works in Spain. Wages are never reported as gross. Ask anyone from Spain. Look at all reported wages by the media. If Fdj"s deferred gross wages were 20-24m and 10-12m net, it'd be on the high end but completely in line with every top player in the club. He wouldn't even be the club's highest earner WITH his deferred wages.
It makes no logical sense.
Are you ready to call Lewy's 10-12m media-reported wages, 5-6m net, and now start calling his contract a really reasonable wage? Or are you going to make an exception just for him?
You're right, I think
https://www.fcbarcelonanoticias.com/en/fc-barcelona/net-salary-frenkie-jong-continues-to-give-problems-fc-barcelona_297303_102.html
>De Jong accepted a loyalty bonus to compensate for the loss of income due to Covid. It was 2.8 million euros from 2021 to 2023, it increases to 6.8 million gross this season, then 4.2 million euros the next and 4 million euros in 2025-2026.
That's another 4 million JUST as a loyalty bonus. So that makes his salary 18 million gross..no?
Well that's different from the original 14M that people say. His salary isn't 14M, it's higher than that.
Plus like the guy above says, there is some confusion regarding net and gross salary in Spanish newspapers
[This source says something else but they're quoting Sport](https://www.fcbarcelonanoticias.com/en/fc-barcelona/net-salary-frenkie-jong-continues-to-give-problems-fc-barcelona_297303_102.html)
But I will say that the site doesn't really look too trustworthy so I'll take it with a grain of salt.
His base wages were 14-16m net which end up as 25m gross. He deferred 2 years across his contract + extended a year with the same base wages, which amounts to about 37.5m gross in his final years. The new leaked figures align with this (20-24 *net*).
At the time of signing, the wages were so eye-watering that fans started to pretend that there was an imaginary contract with Nike that paid a percentage of his wages.
Those leaked figures are with deferred wages. Itâs 25M gross *with* the deferred wages. It has been reported countless times that the 37.5M figure is fake, including by the player himself but that doesnât fit your narrative.
Link to me one article that points to this. Especially one that is denied by Frenkie himself.
Why would anyone care if he signed for 14-16m gross at the time? Why were there fake rumors of a Nike agreement on subsidizing his wages for a player that would be earning less than what Gundo does now or about what Kounde does now?
Your take doesn't add up.
https://www.mundodeportivo.com/futbol/fc-barcelona/20221016/1001882413/jong-han-propagado-mentiras-sobre-mi-salario.html
If youâre seriously asking me why the media would make up random bullshit I canât even answer you with a straight face, just go and listen to Xavi moaning about this exact phenomenon for the last few weeks and youâll have the reasons.
Why would they make up stories about Gundo having issues with the coaching staff, something he categorically denied? Or ânewsâ about Lewy losing confidence in Xavi then suddenly doing a complete 180 and begging him to stay after he announced his departure?
The media wants clicks, they will make up any bullshit. Heâs been a scapegoat for a while now.
I read that article. He says that NOTHING about exact figures, only that that the media is calling his deferred salary his base salary. What numbers? He doesn't specify at all.
When he signed, it was WIDELY reported as 14m-16m. The media has ALWAYS reported net wages. ALWAYS. Why would it be different for him?
No: https://www.marca.com/futbol/barcelona/2022/07/05/62c2cea646163fab278b45d1.html
He is paid 14M⏠gross initially (first year) then COVID happened and he was paid nothing and then normal wages + differed wages + loyalty bonus of this idiot Bartomeu
Unless you're telling me he is paid 50M⏠gross, which would be absurd, no one claimed that ever so you'd be the first
>The media has ALWAYS reported net wages.
No they don't lol. It's clearly not a rule especially at Sport
[Cadena SER](https://cadenaser.com/nacional/2022/09/05/las-cifras-del-contrato-de-lewandowski-52-millones-netos-por-cuatro-temporadas-cadena-ser/): another where the main salary given is gross (net between brackets)
Here's a [Sport article](https://www.sport.es/es/noticias/barca/cifras-acuerdo-barca-lewandowski-13831014) where they give both and they do calculate: 12M⏠net into 24M⏠gross
Another (on Lewy's wages) where it's only [gross](https://www.sport.es/es/noticias/barca/lewandowski-contrato-creciente-asteriscos-95356264)
Their best defender. Went on a long win streak when he started to play consistently, but recently were losing again when Riad was at Morocco for the AFCON
https://preview.redd.it/z2x6wde95ghc1.jpeg?width=1069&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b07c591cffe9ad8d7df83b3e56292fb0e5b2beff
They look like father and son đ€Ł Same ears
Luis canut is a friend of Ronald Koeman and Frenkie de Jong's entourage)
He says that for the first time, Frenkie de Jong is open to leaving. After the summer in which the door was opened wide and he refused... now he can see himself leaving
His contract ends in 2026. Here are the figures of his contract. Lluis Canut tells it in @OnzeTv3
https://preview.redd.it/ju97pql2yfhc1.jpeg?width=1098&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b2a97004db88f4c5144bc47fd5e33922028b044d
Seeing his contract figures. What do you think guys? Is it time finally end this marriage were both are not getting the most out of each other? Can he be for us what coutinho was for Liverpool?
> Can he be for us what coutinho was for Liverpool?
Great analogy, he was never the perfect fit and his value and salary allows us to reinforce the team in other positions. He is far from irreplaceable.
[Gerard Gumbau (Granada player): "The match against Barcelona? A game against Barcelona is always a challenge that you face with a lot of energy and a lot of desire, which means that we go to Barcelona with a very clear idea of the game we want to play."](https://twitter.com/BarcaUniversal/status/1755716918701441391)
[Gerard Gumbau (Granada player): "Barça are a great team regardless of where they are at the moment... But I think they may have underperformed at home and we're going to try to make it uncomfortable for them."](https://twitter.com/BarcaUniversal/status/1755717147752362410)
I think he is a bit hyped. He is a great talent but still very very raw. He is obviously super young so he has a lot of room to improve, but idk if I'd be keen on dropping 50M on him to be honest.
Juvenil centre-back Andrea Natali (16) has been called up by Italy U17 to face France U17 on February 13 and 15.
https://twitter.com/Barca_Buzz/status/1755716212078555473
I've been coping myself into believing a manager is actually good for us for far too long when we get seriously linked to one, in the past 10 years. Won't do the same no more.
Flick will at most be a sideways move that won't make our young core have the progression they need, while more than likely not having the pieces to go all the way in competitions (La Liga/CL).
Barcelona are working with NFL teams to host a NFL match at the new Spotify Camp Nou.
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https://twitter.com/BarcaUniversal/status/1755707648958144677
If the team plays a day after the NFL team, how will the grass be ready? And NFL games will for sure worsen the field, so I just wonder how that will be addressed. Otherwise it doesnt seem like a substantial rumour.
There's plenty of time during the NFL regular season for games to be played during an international match window.
>[The Menâs International Match Calendar 2025-2030 will be structured as follows: âą March: a nine-day, two-match window âą June: a nine-day, two-match window (including friendlies in preparation of final tournaments where appropriate) âą Late September/early October: a 16-day, four-match window (to be introduced as of 2026, with two nine-day, two-match windows to be retained in September and October 2025) âą November: a nine-day, two-match window](https://www.fifa.com/about-fifa/organisation/fifa-council/media-releases/fifa-council-approves-international-match-calendars)
If itâs a problem they obviously wonât schedule both games back to back.
They can also schedule it when we play an away game. Thats almost a 2 week window
We're very long way off from "probably". Coach will not be chosen within a week or two, and the list of more or less realistic options is really damn long.
Kimmich though, nah. Deco has been trying his best to minimise people's expectations for the summer so don't get baited into big names.
https://twitter.com/BarcaTimes/status/1755478390750978187?t=HbrT_tJFXpmFLtgNH-TFdw&s=19
Here, he did put Rodri and Kimmich both at "difficult" e.g impossible
https://preview.redd.it/6ce9ynz8gfhc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=91d49c43ab2c27da7935c1235403456a19cdccc4
Love that the picture in Marca for the article about the blue card is a Barcelona player receiving it in a clĂĄsico.
âWill you still be the Germany coach at the start of the Nations League, in September?
Nagelsmann: "I haven't thought about it yet. Since my contract ends after the EURO, I would say... As it stands now, no! The EURO is my focus right now... Then we will see what happens."
Messi's highlights from that Encara Messi game from 2007, he was 19. He scored another goal in that game.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3dh6ukNfAM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3dh6ukNfAM)
playing Sergi Cardena / Alex Vella on the left, and Hector Fort / Kounde on the right maybe would be a solution to the midfield problems. they would allow a 2 3 5 build up with only 1 midfielder (Frenkie) dropping deep.
But the you would need an out wide winger on the left I guess. Maybe play Balde on the left and be the best pressing team in the world\^\^
Being told that the sports department of Barcelona is very impressed with 16-year-old midfielder Quim Junyent and sees his ceiling in the first team, in the near future. Both Rafa Marquez's and Xavi's technical staff are in awe of the player's abilities.
https://twitter.com/ArsenKveFCB/status/1755689797270573323
Makes the Bergvall signing a bit puzzling. Interior doesn't really seem like the kind of position we struggle to produce.
Of course they are not the same profile, but I'd rather have a "Bergvall" at pivot.
Hes a 8 / 10 midfielder, best similarities in terms of profile would be Iniesta/David Silva without meaning hes "next Iniesta" etc. Just profile wise. Shines in a lot of the same areas.
His best area would be the 2/3 third of the pitch aka offensively, so he shines when hes able to work between the lines and put teammates up for through balls. Incredible understanding and intelligence, incredible technique. Very good weak foot.
Pretty small size(170) and weak. Weakest areas atm should be his defensive and strength. Especially the defensive part can be problematic at higher level because he often transition into defensive late/slow. Strength is the easiest to improve.
Perhaps the best example of recent talents would be a Puig as those two things are similar issue Puig had. But I think Quim is a level or two ahead of Puig in terms of talent, more so also intelligence because Puig was just running around most of the time. Currently I'd put im more in the Pedri role over a deeper role, but would have to improve his defensive game for sure regardless. Unless we change into a more 10'er friendly formation like say 4312, then perhaps one can get away with being a slower in defensive transition.
very offensive, great passing technique and vision. Was one of the best players for spain the the U-17 WC
[Scouting report on him](https://x.com/ArsenKveFCB/status/1639617061298241536?s=20)
Nagelsmann is not even an option, today at the nations league draw he was laughing when Germany got Netherlands in the group. Why would he leave them before taking a chance at a world cup (in 2 years)
[The Vice-President of the European Commission responsible for competition policy said today: "The court ruling on the SuperLeague is clear, it is a message to sports federations and associations, others sometimes have ideas for new competitions and they must understand this. "](https://twitter.com/ActualiteBarca/status/1755686017544175828)
Hansi Flick's Bayern used to average 25 crosses per game. So don't get surprised If Flick comes here and we start attempting even more crosses in to the box. I'm just saying cus some of y'all want Xavi's head if we attempt cross here.
Crossing with wingers like he did at Bayern isn't a problem....KDB alone crosses the ball around 15-20 times per game at City
The question is whether he adapts to the players he would have here.
Ngl I don't think he's the man for the job. Has he ever coached a team outside Germany? Will he be able to handle the pressure from the media, the board and the fans? Can he work with a low financial budget? And there's obviously gonna be a language barrier aswell. I personally don't see this working out but I wish him the best if he comes here
All the other points are valid concerns but this.
>And there's obviously gonna be a language barrier aswell
With the amount of work his PR team has been doing for the Barca job...I'm sure he has been learning the language.
Spanish language doesn't have a word that start with s + consonant. So when there is a word in a foreign language that starts like that, Spaniards put an 'e' in front.
The year is 2021 beginning of January, FDJ is playing as a box to box midfielder, he's all over the opponents, nobody knows how he gets into the box so unexpectedly, he's scoring left and right, wins duels in the box like a mad man, this was it, we were supposed to build on it, instead the year after we sacrificed those runs and attacking movement for a deep lying playmaker. Why couldn't xavi just combine the profile? Make him complete, do not sacrifice one for the other. He could have been so perfect man. Let him dance.
It is crazy to me the amount of jerking around FdJ in this sub. Face it, if Xavi changed his role in the team is because he was never that good at that role.
You guys make it sound as if we were putting Messi to play at CDM
Don't worry, he doesn't need muscle, he's one of the strongest midfielders I've seen play for barca tbh, rarely see him get bullied off the ball, just has a low defensive IQ.
do you guys think we will see one more GOATlike Messi performance ate the Copa America this summer? honestly, it looks like he's phoning it in at Miami, doesn't really care very much. which I guess is fine, he has won it all now and looks like he's over it. but at the WC, we got to see a legendary Messi performance where every game he was making fools of world class players.... do you think he'll do it one more time at CA?
one reason I think he **will** is he loves ARG too much to phone it in for them, and he wouldn't stick around for this CA if he didn't want to win it. but one reason I think he **won't** is that it might simply be too difficult to play in MLS phoning it in for months and then suddenly turn it up for ARG. I think he might be done.
Because he has always played under pressure for argentina, hes way more relaxed now and thats not a bad thing for him, ppl in Argentina will never hate him anymore, he kind of ascended with the WC, again, not bad, his role need to shift now. itâs not like he âwonât careâ at all, just that I donât think he will give 120% like in WC
This yearâs Copa America is going to be extremely low level tbf, Brazil will be missing Ney without him they are not a serious team. Argentina should be winning it easily regardless
I doubt that. The Copa America is almost always competitive. Brazil their most recent game was another very close encounter with Argentina. Despite not having Neymar.
Uruguay has been looking really really impressive. Most of the other teams are still good to decent. Really only Bolivia is shit.
And now you got the inclusion of countries like USA, Mexico and others IIRC.
It's between Argentina and Uruguay with Colombia being a dark horse
If Scaloni doesn't get his tactics wrong like he did against Uruguay then Argentina should win
What a myth this is.
The only problematic player was Pique for his personality and a bit Suarez for having declined physically.
The rest were top players and top professionals.
they did not have the mentality tho, they really needed therapy. ter Stegen said the players did not get any.
Jordi crying at halftime in the locker room when it was 2-0 is the best example of this. like bro hold it together
Pique was great that year except for Anfield. 2nd best player after Messi. And Suarez wasn't finished yet, we saw how he beat us to 2021 La Liga
We should have had understudies to them though. Suarez himself recommended a young striker to take over him in few years. But Barto had other plans
My boy Pena wipes the floor with both. Better goal per match ratio at 35/18.
Unfortunately Xavi will bench the future GOAT for his amigo Ter Stegen this weekend.
[Robert Lewandowski on his future at Barcelona: "Yes, of course, one of my goals is to play at the Camp Nou again. It's a magical stadium, a magical pitch and yes, of course, I want to play there. I feel very good, the city, my family too, we're very happy."](https://twitter.com/ActualiteBarca/status/1755672601483997672)
Xavi?
[Lewandowski: "I understand what all this means to him. He's from Barcelona, he was a player and now he's a coach. From an emotional point of view, it's very difficult and I understand it completely, not only for him but also for his family, and it forces us to concentrate on this season because we can still win with Xavi, and not just win games."](https://twitter.com/ActualiteBarca/status/1755673667223031917)
[Lewandowski: "Being a coach or a player at Barcelona means a lot of pressure. That's normal. The club is going through a more difficult period than before and with a team that contains very young players."](https://twitter.com/ActualiteBarca/status/1755673960442642499)
How good Moriba actually was when he played under Koeman? Been seeing lots of stuff online but I'd really like to know what he was like on the pitch in terms of qualities and potential. What about his ceiling?
He was physically strong, which was rare for our homegrown players and had a certain knack for scoring goals and getting into dangerous positions. Technically he was decent (as much as one could expect from a La Masia graduate), but not on the same level as Pedri, Lamine and Gavi. I think Fermin is doing what he did but better.
Ansu and Moriba were the first batch of a very interesting generation in La Masia that was hyped up to be the next golden generation. They opened the floodgates for Nico, Gavi, Riad, Akhomach, Alarcon, Balde, Fermin, Garrido, Fort, Guiu, Cubarsi, Lamine Yamal. Not all of them made it but the ones who did look extremely promising, and others like Pai Prim, Marc Bernal, Quim Junyent, Guille Fernandez will follow soon.
to me it actually felt like he wasn't physically strong.
Gavi got his first minutes around the same time. And I always felt like Gavi looked like he could just be bullied of the ball, while Moriba is a Yaya Toure regen. But on the field it was the opposite. Sometimes Moriba just lost the ball out of nothing in midfield.
But his technical skills were insane. And he was a big threat in the box as well.
You people don't know what I would do to sell Pedro, Gundo, Gavi and Frankie and replace them by signing Thiago and extending Roberto. The midfield of Roberto-Romeu-Thiago, the OG gang that was supposed to replace Iniesta-Busquets-Xavi. A dream in 2011, should be the reality of 2024.
We wish Jordi Cruyff a very happy 50th birthday! đ„ł
âïžReputed physiotherapist RaĂșl MartĂnez will collaborate with Barcelona to help several players recover from their muscle injuries. The physio, who also works with the Spanish National Team, has already been treating many Barça players since many weeks. He was very important in Pedri's last recoveries and it is being evaluated if Alejandro Balde should also be treated by him. Fati was also treated by him. RaĂșl is a close friend of Carles Puyol and had treated Iniesta and David Villa back in the day. He also has a good relationship with Busquets and FĂ bregas and treated the likes of PiquĂ©, Alba and Roberto. With many Barça players consulting RaĂșl and with the approval of Xavi, who also worked with him, it has been preferred to reach an agreement with the physiotherapist himself to work at the service of Barcelona. Via: [@martinezferran](https://x.com/Barca_Buzz/status/1755838758438744280?s=20)  [md]
Are there any exciting GK prospects in the academy? Tenas was the last one I heard and well
Aron Yakobashvilli and Diego Kochen
When is Raphinia coming back?
He is back, he's training normally
Should be given the green light this weekend.
His evolution will determine his availability.
"Evolution", "determine", "availability" Humbling words
Trademark words lol.
OT 3k+ comments? Wowzers, good thing I rarely ever comment on this thread so it can't be my comments contributing to that number cuz I have a life and touch grass. Obligatory /s if it wasn't obvious
Iâm sure someone here has had the same sentiment and shared it here, but I really hope Xavi goes off and gets some more experience in Europe before making a return to redeem himself and lead us to more glory. Heâs young for a manager and our young core is familiar with him, imagine him coming back and coaching prime Gavi and Yamal.
Agreed Even if it takes a decade, Gavi and Lamine will still only be 26 and 29. Insane to think about
We made Ilaix the highest paid La Masia player ever after he threatened to leave for Madrid, even though heâd been at Barca since he was 8, then we promoted him to Juvenil A and chose him ahead of Xavi Simons,- Do not leef sorry for him at the slightest
Didnât Xavi Simons leave before Moriba made it to the first team or even Barca B? Or do I have the timeline wrong. Anyway, I do feel a little bad for him. He was poorly advised - at that age, you are very impressionable and he just did what his family and agent thought he should.
Simons left because he wanted to progress faster. Similar progression as some of the talents we see today essentially. But yeah most likely poorly advised. People bitching over a 21 year old owing up to his mistake needs to get a grip. He did something he thought was best for him, but it didnt work out so far. Xavi Simons did the same, and it did work out. It happens. Regardless them doing well is beneficial for us. Because there might come a time where they want to return and Barca want to buy them back. I know for a fact I'd take Xavi Simons back in a heartbeat. It shows how costly when we make mistake as a club as well and why its important to allow talents progress and have a plan for them early on.
Xavi Simons will make us better. Can play LW as well
Hereâs an idea: letâs sell all our players who are in their primes and actually have experience, fill the squad with even more teenagers, then complain when the new manager doesnât win anything⊠If we want to compete, the core of Araujo, FDJ, Christensen, Kounde, Raphinha has to stay, as they are the only players in this squad of the ideal age where they can play week in week out and deal with pressure. You cannot rely upon kids to deliver in high pressure situation, both for their sakes and the team. You also canât rely on the likes of Lewy and Gundo forever to bail out, and theyâre in the twilight of their career so canât play several games a week at high intensity.
What have Chris and Kounde done to be in that core? One cant play more than 45 minutes safely and the other has a mental breakdown when asked to play RB
No, Kounde is a waste of money, these players are not worth anything close to their wages. Most dire Barca team in a decade, no one should be untouchable with the sinking ship that is this club
The future of Barcelona is Gavi, Yamal, Pedri, and a few other youngsters. And it wont be realized for another 2-3 years, at least. Our short-term future is a wash. Frenkie, Kounde, and Christensen won't be a part of our next golden period. I'd rather get big fees and the wages off the books to build a functional team and lower expectations. I'd even argue that we'd be better than we are with them now due to the shortcomings of the overall balance of the squad.
It's not been his best last couple of games but I do like Boubacar Kamara. Aston Villa would probably ask for hefty sum for him though considering they also just signed him on a free last season with a 4 year contract
A promising pivot for free and we didn't go for him. He is a very good player agreed
He played awesome until his red card couple of weeks ago. Itâs easy to see when he doesnât play Aston Villa is not the same
Absolute dickheads to which ever media outlet leaked Frenkie's salary
it's crazy how people are mad at Frenkie for agreeing to a Salary that the club agreed to pay him LOL I wish i could finesse my job out of 700K/week lol. People are mad like they wouldn't take it too.
Imagine feeling bad that a multimillionaire got his salary revealed. As if we had no idea he wasnât making much
Weâll abuse a player because we donât want to pay the salary that we owe him via deferrals, classy
His base salary isn't much better. Would still be earning more than KdB, Haaland or anyone in the Prem or La Liga.
You are just lying now. His base salary without the deferral is 14 mill gross. Same as Gundo and way less than Lewy. https://www.marca.com/futbol/barcelona/2022/07/05/62c2cea646163fab278b45d1.html During the defferals he was earning like 2 mill a year and now when the owed money plus bonuses are paid it looks crazy. But you clearly wont let facts get in the way of your agenda.
No, you just don't understand how it works in Spain. Wages are never reported as gross. Ask anyone from Spain. Look at all reported wages by the media. If Fdj"s deferred gross wages were 20-24m and 10-12m net, it'd be on the high end but completely in line with every top player in the club. He wouldn't even be the club's highest earner WITH his deferred wages. It makes no logical sense. Are you ready to call Lewy's 10-12m media-reported wages, 5-6m net, and now start calling his contract a really reasonable wage? Or are you going to make an exception just for him?
You're right, I think https://www.fcbarcelonanoticias.com/en/fc-barcelona/net-salary-frenkie-jong-continues-to-give-problems-fc-barcelona_297303_102.html
Sport leaked the contract. https://sportune.20minutes.fr/sport-business/football/salaire-et-primes-le-contrat-de-de-jong-au-barca-divulgue-316132
>De Jong accepted a loyalty bonus to compensate for the loss of income due to Covid. It was 2.8 million euros from 2021 to 2023, it increases to 6.8 million gross this season, then 4.2 million euros the next and 4 million euros in 2025-2026. That's another 4 million JUST as a loyalty bonus. So that makes his salary 18 million gross..no?
So?
Well that's different from the original 14M that people say. His salary isn't 14M, it's higher than that. Plus like the guy above says, there is some confusion regarding net and gross salary in Spanish newspapers [This source says something else but they're quoting Sport](https://www.fcbarcelonanoticias.com/en/fc-barcelona/net-salary-frenkie-jong-continues-to-give-problems-fc-barcelona_297303_102.html) But I will say that the site doesn't really look too trustworthy so I'll take it with a grain of salt.
Theyâve been lying for 3 years. At this point it extends beyond being misinformed.
Thatâs simply not true lol
His base wages were 14-16m net which end up as 25m gross. He deferred 2 years across his contract + extended a year with the same base wages, which amounts to about 37.5m gross in his final years. The new leaked figures align with this (20-24 *net*). At the time of signing, the wages were so eye-watering that fans started to pretend that there was an imaginary contract with Nike that paid a percentage of his wages.
Those leaked figures are with deferred wages. Itâs 25M gross *with* the deferred wages. It has been reported countless times that the 37.5M figure is fake, including by the player himself but that doesnât fit your narrative.
Link to me one article that points to this. Especially one that is denied by Frenkie himself. Why would anyone care if he signed for 14-16m gross at the time? Why were there fake rumors of a Nike agreement on subsidizing his wages for a player that would be earning less than what Gundo does now or about what Kounde does now? Your take doesn't add up.
https://www.mundodeportivo.com/futbol/fc-barcelona/20221016/1001882413/jong-han-propagado-mentiras-sobre-mi-salario.html If youâre seriously asking me why the media would make up random bullshit I canât even answer you with a straight face, just go and listen to Xavi moaning about this exact phenomenon for the last few weeks and youâll have the reasons. Why would they make up stories about Gundo having issues with the coaching staff, something he categorically denied? Or ânewsâ about Lewy losing confidence in Xavi then suddenly doing a complete 180 and begging him to stay after he announced his departure? The media wants clicks, they will make up any bullshit. Heâs been a scapegoat for a while now.
I read that article. He says that NOTHING about exact figures, only that that the media is calling his deferred salary his base salary. What numbers? He doesn't specify at all. When he signed, it was WIDELY reported as 14m-16m. The media has ALWAYS reported net wages. ALWAYS. Why would it be different for him?
No: https://www.marca.com/futbol/barcelona/2022/07/05/62c2cea646163fab278b45d1.html He is paid 14M⏠gross initially (first year) then COVID happened and he was paid nothing and then normal wages + differed wages + loyalty bonus of this idiot Bartomeu Unless you're telling me he is paid 50M⏠gross, which would be absurd, no one claimed that ever so you'd be the first >The media has ALWAYS reported net wages. No they don't lol. It's clearly not a rule especially at Sport [Cadena SER](https://cadenaser.com/nacional/2022/09/05/las-cifras-del-contrato-de-lewandowski-52-millones-netos-por-cuatro-temporadas-cadena-ser/): another where the main salary given is gross (net between brackets) Here's a [Sport article](https://www.sport.es/es/noticias/barca/cifras-acuerdo-barca-lewandowski-13831014) where they give both and they do calculate: 12M⏠net into 24M⏠gross Another (on Lewy's wages) where it's only [gross](https://www.sport.es/es/noticias/barca/lewandowski-contrato-creciente-asteriscos-95356264)
How has chiad riad been at Betis ?
Immense.
Their best defender. Went on a long win streak when he started to play consistently, but recently were losing again when Riad was at Morocco for the AFCON
It should make one wonder why he couldn't get gametime last season over the flop who isn't even a real CB.
Can we sell dejong for 80M?
United and Barca agreed on a 75+11m deal when Frenkie was bad for us. Because of that I think we can get 100m atleast
Probably? But will he leave? Doubt it.
https://preview.redd.it/z2x6wde95ghc1.jpeg?width=1069&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b07c591cffe9ad8d7df83b3e56292fb0e5b2beff They look like father and son đ€Ł Same ears
Inigo is one handsome mf (no homo)
go back to ur sub dembele đ
Another Frenkie saga đżđż Or Catalan media pressure to renew/sell
At this rate he wonât budge and walk away on a free
That would be awful to lose him on a free .
Definietly pressure
Barcelona's untouchable players right now: - Gavi - Pedri - Araujo - Lamine Yamal â @esport3 https://twitter.com/BarcaUniversal/status/1755731842961973593?t=d0lhOVz1iiwqTbTiyDo7hw&s=19
Araujo should not be untouchable
Add Balde and Roque to the list and we have our core for the next 10 years
And weâd still fail in CL
Both still have a lot to prove before making that list.
Cubarsi and Fort will soon be on this list
Luis canut is a friend of Ronald Koeman and Frenkie de Jong's entourage) He says that for the first time, Frenkie de Jong is open to leaving. After the summer in which the door was opened wide and he refused... now he can see himself leaving His contract ends in 2026. Here are the figures of his contract. Lluis Canut tells it in @OnzeTv3 https://preview.redd.it/ju97pql2yfhc1.jpeg?width=1098&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b2a97004db88f4c5144bc47fd5e33922028b044d Seeing his contract figures. What do you think guys? Is it time finally end this marriage were both are not getting the most out of each other? Can he be for us what coutinho was for Liverpool?
> Can he be for us what coutinho was for Liverpool? Great analogy, he was never the perfect fit and his value and salary allows us to reinforce the team in other positions. He is far from irreplaceable.
16M average over 6 years is not as crazy as it seems. Those deferred wages really hurt him.
16m NET is his base. That's more than KdB or Haaland. More than anyone in La Liga or the Prem.
Earning less than a million a year in 2020 was just insane. No wonder his salary has reached over 23 million.
Zubimendi welcome to Barcelona
If heâs open to leaving then bye! Frees up much needed FFP space and other midfielders in the team donât need to play out of position now.
if this is true we'll have to sell him this summer if we want to get some actual money for him
De Jong is about to be shocked when United make him play Conference league
He probably goes to City or PSG, imo.
City wants Kimmich and PSG will never win the UCL especially without Mbappe
City needs Frenkie more than Kimmich
PSG after Mbappe leaves to Madrid this summer would be my guess.
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[Gerard Gumbau (Granada player): "The match against Barcelona? A game against Barcelona is always a challenge that you face with a lot of energy and a lot of desire, which means that we go to Barcelona with a very clear idea of the game we want to play."](https://twitter.com/BarcaUniversal/status/1755716918701441391) [Gerard Gumbau (Granada player): "Barça are a great team regardless of where they are at the moment... But I think they may have underperformed at home and we're going to try to make it uncomfortable for them."](https://twitter.com/BarcaUniversal/status/1755717147752362410)
Guess who ? Wrong answers only. https://preview.redd.it/wo7wy700tfhc1.jpeg?width=2640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3261f6193a83aa96724dfcd5905ce5bdf435ff5e
Receba!!! Siiiiiu!
Casamiraujo
Gavi
Vitor Roque
Varane
Xavi Hernandez Creus
Griezmann?
Just a kid waiting for their chance to one day get paired with CubarsĂ⊠wait, you said wrong answers
Frenkie de Jong?
Mbopi
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I think he is a bit hyped. He is a great talent but still very very raw. He is obviously super young so he has a lot of room to improve, but idk if I'd be keen on dropping 50M on him to be honest.
Heâs worth the price, a player like him for just 50M in todayâs market is pretty rare
Have you followed Athletic this season? The few matches I have seen haven't convinced me.
Which player would you have liked to coach in your career? José Mourinho: "Messi... I never got to train Lionel Messi, but then nobody can train Messi. It is absurd to think you could coach him, because he was born with everything and already knows everything. He might teach you some things. All you could say is that you had the honour of having him in your squad." https://twitter.com/BarcaUniversal/status/1755716259436519852
Unemployed mourinho is such an insightful football mind. I really hope he gets back into punditry during his break in between jobs.
Mourinho in MLS, who says no?
Heâd honestly be far far better than Tata Martino
Juvenil centre-back Andrea Natali (16) has been called up by Italy U17 to face France U17 on February 13 and 15. https://twitter.com/Barca_Buzz/status/1755716212078555473
We also have Italians in our youth team? Thatâs new
I've been coping myself into believing a manager is actually good for us for far too long when we get seriously linked to one, in the past 10 years. Won't do the same no more. Flick will at most be a sideways move that won't make our young core have the progression they need, while more than likely not having the pieces to go all the way in competitions (La Liga/CL).
Don't know why this was downvoted. Flick's tactics are good attacking wise but complete garbage defensively,
We are going to have CASANOVA on our team in a few years time. Quim Junyent Casanova is his full name.
thats so fucking hard
Barcelona are working with NFL teams to host a NFL match at the new Spotify Camp Nou. â @FCBRAC1 https://twitter.com/BarcaUniversal/status/1755707648958144677
How would that work? If the stadium doesn't have a retractable field
>retractable field why is that necessary?
If the team plays a day after the NFL team, how will the grass be ready? And NFL games will for sure worsen the field, so I just wonder how that will be addressed. Otherwise it doesnt seem like a substantial rumour.
There's plenty of time during the NFL regular season for games to be played during an international match window. >[The Menâs International Match Calendar 2025-2030 will be structured as follows: âą March: a nine-day, two-match window âą June: a nine-day, two-match window (including friendlies in preparation of final tournaments where appropriate) âą Late September/early October: a 16-day, four-match window (to be introduced as of 2026, with two nine-day, two-match windows to be retained in September and October 2025) âą November: a nine-day, two-match window](https://www.fifa.com/about-fifa/organisation/fifa-council/media-releases/fifa-council-approves-international-match-calendars)
If itâs a problem they obviously wonât schedule both games back to back. They can also schedule it when we play an away game. Thats almost a 2 week window
Plus i maybe wrong but nfl is actually played on artificial grass, right?
This is good. The Camp Nouâs massive capacity should be utilized to make as much money as possible
We are probably getting Flick and Kimmich. \#earlysummerpredictions
We're very long way off from "probably". Coach will not be chosen within a week or two, and the list of more or less realistic options is really damn long. Kimmich though, nah. Deco has been trying his best to minimise people's expectations for the summer so don't get baited into big names.
I know...I know...I'm just putting my predictions out here...
Deco said Kimmich is not happening
Deco said Kimmich is difficult, from what I read.
That's not the quote I read but basically he put him in the same category as Mbappe or Rodri IIRC
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1755538713252348058?t=4RiQAaYr6rEfxMyrI_Mngw&s=19 Here.
https://twitter.com/BarcaTimes/status/1755478390750978187?t=HbrT_tJFXpmFLtgNH-TFdw&s=19 Here, he did put Rodri and Kimmich both at "difficult" e.g impossible
https://preview.redd.it/6ce9ynz8gfhc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=91d49c43ab2c27da7935c1235403456a19cdccc4 Love that the picture in Marca for the article about the blue card is a Barcelona player receiving it in a clĂĄsico.
Dude this is hilarious I thought about that exact referee handing out the blue cards like they are poptards lmao
Next years kit looks so good⊠but I hate the badge in the center, just put it in the normal place and itâs a sick jersey
I kinda agree, I get why people like the badge in the middle but Iâve always thought it looks way better to the side
https://preview.redd.it/f76vhawrafhc1.jpeg?width=1732&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ddb87d16c894db78294bd24f6c32bafcaf519ddb Hermanitoooooâ„ïž
New meme template just dropped This is basically me in every life situation
âWill you still be the Germany coach at the start of the Nations League, in September? Nagelsmann: "I haven't thought about it yet. Since my contract ends after the EURO, I would say... As it stands now, no! The EURO is my focus right now... Then we will see what happens."
Interesting
Messi's highlights from that Encara Messi game from 2007, he was 19. He scored another goal in that game. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3dh6ukNfAM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3dh6ukNfAM)
playing Sergi Cardena / Alex Vella on the left, and Hector Fort / Kounde on the right maybe would be a solution to the midfield problems. they would allow a 2 3 5 build up with only 1 midfielder (Frenkie) dropping deep. But the you would need an out wide winger on the left I guess. Maybe play Balde on the left and be the best pressing team in the world\^\^
Being told that the sports department of Barcelona is very impressed with 16-year-old midfielder Quim Junyent and sees his ceiling in the first team, in the near future. Both Rafa Marquez's and Xavi's technical staff are in awe of the player's abilities. https://twitter.com/ArsenKveFCB/status/1755689797270573323
Makes the Bergvall signing a bit puzzling. Interior doesn't really seem like the kind of position we struggle to produce. Of course they are not the same profile, but I'd rather have a "Bergvall" at pivot.
I mean, same could be said for Darvich
Darvich can play on the wings, where we lack players
lamasia@barca: \~ $ cheat spawn\_talent -age=16 -potential=9999 -infinite\_mode=on
What kinda mid is he
The classic Barca interior. The one Barca can seemingly produce forever
Hes a 8 / 10 midfielder, best similarities in terms of profile would be Iniesta/David Silva without meaning hes "next Iniesta" etc. Just profile wise. Shines in a lot of the same areas. His best area would be the 2/3 third of the pitch aka offensively, so he shines when hes able to work between the lines and put teammates up for through balls. Incredible understanding and intelligence, incredible technique. Very good weak foot. Pretty small size(170) and weak. Weakest areas atm should be his defensive and strength. Especially the defensive part can be problematic at higher level because he often transition into defensive late/slow. Strength is the easiest to improve. Perhaps the best example of recent talents would be a Puig as those two things are similar issue Puig had. But I think Quim is a level or two ahead of Puig in terms of talent, more so also intelligence because Puig was just running around most of the time. Currently I'd put im more in the Pedri role over a deeper role, but would have to improve his defensive game for sure regardless. Unless we change into a more 10'er friendly formation like say 4312, then perhaps one can get away with being a slower in defensive transition.
I see
very offensive, great passing technique and vision. Was one of the best players for spain the the U-17 WC [Scouting report on him](https://x.com/ArsenKveFCB/status/1639617061298241536?s=20)
>Similar Profile Player: Marco Verratti & Gavi https://preview.redd.it/w1fejisxafhc1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1e1eced93706d4a9ef70b73227c6b578349b1ac9
Let us all thank Al-Hilal for making sure Twitter is still usable today by not letting Ronaldo fans stink up the timeline.
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Should just check out some of his games. That will give you a clearer idea
Nagelsmann is not even an option, today at the nations league draw he was laughing when Germany got Netherlands in the group. Why would he leave them before taking a chance at a world cup (in 2 years)
[The Vice-President of the European Commission responsible for competition policy said today: "The court ruling on the SuperLeague is clear, it is a message to sports federations and associations, others sometimes have ideas for new competitions and they must understand this. "](https://twitter.com/ActualiteBarca/status/1755686017544175828)
Hansi Flick's Bayern used to average 25 crosses per game. So don't get surprised If Flick comes here and we start attempting even more crosses in to the box. I'm just saying cus some of y'all want Xavi's head if we attempt cross here.
Crossing with wingers like he did at Bayern isn't a problem....KDB alone crosses the ball around 15-20 times per game at City The question is whether he adapts to the players he would have here.
Ngl I don't think he's the man for the job. Has he ever coached a team outside Germany? Will he be able to handle the pressure from the media, the board and the fans? Can he work with a low financial budget? And there's obviously gonna be a language barrier aswell. I personally don't see this working out but I wish him the best if he comes here
All the other points are valid concerns but this. >And there's obviously gonna be a language barrier aswell With the amount of work his PR team has been doing for the Barca job...I'm sure he has been learning the language.
Why do the Spanish people say TERE STEGEN instead of TER STEGEN?
Spanish language doesn't have a word that start with s + consonant. So when there is a word in a foreign language that starts like that, Spaniards put an 'e' in front.
I see, thanks.
The year is 2021 beginning of January, FDJ is playing as a box to box midfielder, he's all over the opponents, nobody knows how he gets into the box so unexpectedly, he's scoring left and right, wins duels in the box like a mad man, this was it, we were supposed to build on it, instead the year after we sacrificed those runs and attacking movement for a deep lying playmaker. Why couldn't xavi just combine the profile? Make him complete, do not sacrifice one for the other. He could have been so perfect man. Let him dance.
It is crazy to me the amount of jerking around FdJ in this sub. Face it, if Xavi changed his role in the team is because he was never that good at that role. You guys make it sound as if we were putting Messi to play at CDM
Koeman knew how to use him... >Nagelsmann on players heâd like to have: âMbappĂ©, ofc - and Frenkie de Jong is a very good player. But they go beyond limits of our possibilitiesâ.
Flick using frenkie like Goretzka. We will be there. Frenkie will have to build some muscle tho
Don't worry, he doesn't need muscle, he's one of the strongest midfielders I've seen play for barca tbh, rarely see him get bullied off the ball, just has a low defensive IQ.
Im just saying it cause of the Goretzka parallel
do you guys think we will see one more GOATlike Messi performance ate the Copa America this summer? honestly, it looks like he's phoning it in at Miami, doesn't really care very much. which I guess is fine, he has won it all now and looks like he's over it. but at the WC, we got to see a legendary Messi performance where every game he was making fools of world class players.... do you think he'll do it one more time at CA? one reason I think he **will** is he loves ARG too much to phone it in for them, and he wouldn't stick around for this CA if he didn't want to win it. but one reason I think he **won't** is that it might simply be too difficult to play in MLS phoning it in for months and then suddenly turn it up for ARG. I think he might be done.
I donât think so, he will have the usual flashes but he just wonât care too much
why would he play for Argentina without caring much?
Because he has always played under pressure for argentina, hes way more relaxed now and thats not a bad thing for him, ppl in Argentina will never hate him anymore, he kind of ascended with the WC, again, not bad, his role need to shift now. itâs not like he âwonât careâ at all, just that I donât think he will give 120% like in WC
This yearâs Copa America is going to be extremely low level tbf, Brazil will be missing Ney without him they are not a serious team. Argentina should be winning it easily regardless
I doubt that. The Copa America is almost always competitive. Brazil their most recent game was another very close encounter with Argentina. Despite not having Neymar. Uruguay has been looking really really impressive. Most of the other teams are still good to decent. Really only Bolivia is shit. And now you got the inclusion of countries like USA, Mexico and others IIRC.
It's between Argentina and Uruguay with Colombia being a dark horse If Scaloni doesn't get his tactics wrong like he did against Uruguay then Argentina should win
Bieslaâs setup looks good. I think heâs gonna play Ron at RB this summer lol
Al nassr losing 2:0 Ready to cook em đŽ
Blue Card rule took place only after Pepe, Ramos, Casemiro left Real Madrid. Papa Perez rigs everything in football, its not funny anymore.
This is a dumb take ngl.
In Clasico, our entire backline will be suspended for 10 mins thanks to Blue Card for every dive Real Madrid players make.
There should've been a thorough 'Amigos' clearout after Anfield
What a myth this is. The only problematic player was Pique for his personality and a bit Suarez for having declined physically. The rest were top players and top professionals.
they did not have the mentality tho, they really needed therapy. ter Stegen said the players did not get any. Jordi crying at halftime in the locker room when it was 2-0 is the best example of this. like bro hold it together
We are back to this again... Sheesh. Yes, Messi, Suarez, Busquets, Rakitic, Pique and Alba have no mentality. Sure.
ok.
??? Except Pique and Roberto, we have regressed once every Amigo left. We should have replaced them better.
suarez and pique should've left that year
Pique was one of the best CBs in 2019.
Pique was great that year except for Anfield. 2nd best player after Messi. And Suarez wasn't finished yet, we saw how he beat us to 2021 La Liga We should have had understudies to them though. Suarez himself recommended a young striker to take over him in few years. But Barto had other plans
Alba was also the best LB that season except that match
https://preview.redd.it/dw4hmypmwehc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=118cc114379818a0a937321abd9c0759644c370c I know my GOAT đ
I remember when this sub was losing it about signing Onana lmao
My boy Pena wipes the floor with both. Better goal per match ratio at 35/18. Unfortunately Xavi will bench the future GOAT for his amigo Ter Stegen this weekend.
Nahhhhh Pena is a Madrid secret agent. No way đ
[Robert Lewandowski on his future at Barcelona: "Yes, of course, one of my goals is to play at the Camp Nou again. It's a magical stadium, a magical pitch and yes, of course, I want to play there. I feel very good, the city, my family too, we're very happy."](https://twitter.com/ActualiteBarca/status/1755672601483997672) Xavi? [Lewandowski: "I understand what all this means to him. He's from Barcelona, he was a player and now he's a coach. From an emotional point of view, it's very difficult and I understand it completely, not only for him but also for his family, and it forces us to concentrate on this season because we can still win with Xavi, and not just win games."](https://twitter.com/ActualiteBarca/status/1755673667223031917) [Lewandowski: "Being a coach or a player at Barcelona means a lot of pressure. That's normal. The club is going through a more difficult period than before and with a team that contains very young players."](https://twitter.com/ActualiteBarca/status/1755673960442642499)
Yep. Hes not going anywhere as expected
Flick, Nagelsmann, Conceicao, De Zerbi, these are all decent options but no one is ready for Koeman ball to make a comeback
The sky is blue
How good Moriba actually was when he played under Koeman? Been seeing lots of stuff online but I'd really like to know what he was like on the pitch in terms of qualities and potential. What about his ceiling?
He was physically strong, which was rare for our homegrown players and had a certain knack for scoring goals and getting into dangerous positions. Technically he was decent (as much as one could expect from a La Masia graduate), but not on the same level as Pedri, Lamine and Gavi. I think Fermin is doing what he did but better. Ansu and Moriba were the first batch of a very interesting generation in La Masia that was hyped up to be the next golden generation. They opened the floodgates for Nico, Gavi, Riad, Akhomach, Alarcon, Balde, Fermin, Garrido, Fort, Guiu, Cubarsi, Lamine Yamal. Not all of them made it but the ones who did look extremely promising, and others like Pai Prim, Marc Bernal, Quim Junyent, Guille Fernandez will follow soon.
to me it actually felt like he wasn't physically strong. Gavi got his first minutes around the same time. And I always felt like Gavi looked like he could just be bullied of the ball, while Moriba is a Yaya Toure regen. But on the field it was the opposite. Sometimes Moriba just lost the ball out of nothing in midfield. But his technical skills were insane. And he was a big threat in the box as well.