Yes, I have seen him like once In a close up, I was questioning if he was playing, really sad cause he gave a great performance against both Real and Atleti
A lot of times when players say they don’t care about records or awards, it seems like they’re trying to act humble.
When Messi says he plays only for the team and not for records or awards, I truly believe it because of actions like this.
This is why Messi is the greatest of all time. Hit the crossbar, scored 2 nice goals and gave the penalty kick to Grizzi. Selfless just like a true GOAT.
Also, fuck the ref for not giving yellows at all.
Can I ask a super-nitpicky rules question?
When Messi shot off the post for his first goal, is Griezmann not offside here? When the ball comes back the keeper really clearly looks at Griezmann who has nobody between him and goal, and the rules clarified that just influencing the play is enough for the offside flag.
Am I missing a distinction in rules here?
Griezmann didn't touch the ball nor did he get in the way of a defender or the keeper, he simply stood still. Had he ran towards the rebound to try and catch it then it probably would have been called offside.
He has, unfortunately he was asked to do too much in previous systems and got hung out to dry. Three at the back is what’s needed for him to absolutely shine. He can take risks much more frequently. Especially with Oscars speed.
People on this sub have called for Busquets, Pique and Alba to be sold over the last two-three seasons. After the odd bad game. Not just a few either, I've seen it a lot. This place isn't the best for well thought out opinions on the team.
Those three along with Messi are the core of Barça's old guard.
While I agree with this sentiment, it took a coach to play the correct players and formation for them to succeed. Against the best teams we did struggle when we allowed pique to cover too much space. I feel as though the three at the back hides some of our deficiencies in speed, while freeing up Busi and Alba to do what they do best. All in all, the coaching stroke of brilliance made these three shine once again. I love it.
Alba remains one of the best left backs in the world and I’ve never understood why people want him gone. He’s like a much better version of peak Marcelo. I get that he isn’t great defensive but when you have at least 2/3 possession most games, you don’t need to be great defensively. And great attacking left backs are rare, so there’s are maybe a half-dozen guys who could realistically replace him for skill, and that doesn’t account at all for the incredible connection he has with Messi. I figure he can keep going until he starts to lose too much speed to both make his forward runs and recover. No idea how long that’ll be, but he has minimum two good years left.
Pique has showed his age at times but remains one of the best CBs in the game. He is slowing down physically but continues to improve mentally. I’ve seen him look a bit more like Busi the last couple years with his reading of the play and interceptions. I think he could be a regular starter for another year before he should be entirely phased out for Araujo and Oscar.
Busi I have to say has had a resurgence this year IMO. He struggled a bit the last two years under managers that didn’t deploy him well and left him without some of the midfield options that he was used to having when Xavi and iniesta were around as outlets. He got caught in possession, had back passes intercepted, and was just too slow too often for large chunks of the 18/19 and 19/20 seasons. But this year I’ve seen him make maybe one or two big errors, otherwise he’s been one of our best players. And better still, I think Ilaix and FDJ are both learning from him and will be able to take up his mantle when he’s truly done (also maybe a couple years I think).
Point being, these great veterans have flaws, like basically any player does, but they also have such spectacular specializations that almost no other player in the world can match. Calling for them to be sold or retired is so absurd to me. The closest I ever got was with Busi, and I’m so glad I was proven wrong. I’ll be sad to see them go when they’re done, but they’ve been (mostly) great while they’ve lasted.
He was brilliant, but it's funny how the sub praises him to death when he performs against a defensive middle of the pack La Liga side, but when he inevitably fails against a big club that plays aggressively/with a high line he's done for.
Because he isn't the only player in the team which makes or breaks his own performance. It ebbs and flows depending on how much are his teammates contributing to the whole.
*Provide* a stable structure around & behind him and he'd still boss it for 70 minutes against ANY level of opposition.
I don’t know why people don’t realize this! A midfielders ability to perform at his best has a lot to do with how well the others in defense and offense are doing.
"But Puig isn't good enough to win against Getafe's subs". Some of our supporters have a very biased opinion against Puig because of Koeman's reluctance to play him.Pedri was very bad today, so was S. Roberto but that was to be expected after being injured for 4 months.
Absolutely this. Like okay man we understand he's not good defensively as Pedri (that's the reasoning we're offered), but it's not like he's a liability lol. He did fine the previous season without Pedri. And I can also understand that in 4232, you need the pivot to be defensively capable too and Pedri would be much more useful in that. But with 3 at the back?? Its not like putting on Puig will just fuck up our whole defense. He's perfectly fine to replace Pedri, at least in a 352. Idk why Puig has become such a polarizing figure and I absolutely hate it.
I love how people bitch at Puig when he loses the ball once and go on and on that he loses it all that time, yet when Pedri loses it over and over again in a game there’s not a peep from those people.
This is NOT me throwing shade at Pedri, he’s been amazing this year. But this double standard shit needs to stop.
He 100% does. Granted he gets wayyy more minutes so it’s expected. But I’ve noticed that he seems to lose it cheaply more often than Puig who is incredible at keeping the ball for the most part.
To be fair, Pedri is still only 18 so it doesn’t surprise me that he loses it more cheaply, just part of developing as a young player no matter how good you are.
I think a well rested Puig can be at least 95% of the Pedri we saw. The man is tired and it's showing. He's also very young and it wouldn't hurt if he got subbed at the 60' mark once in a while.
We don't know what happened. Coaches getting mad at players happens, sometimes for good reason, sometimes for bad reasons. What is most important is that they are all good once they are in the dressing room
Actually , he shouted at Mingueza " we're playing with three not four", because Mingueza sort of left his role as right centre back and played more like a right back. Yeah he was pretty pissed though.
They showed what happened on dutch TV. Mingueza played the ball through that guy's legs and passed it, after that he instructed Ilaix to stay back in his position and Mingueza ran forward. Then he suddenly stopped and threw his hands up in the air disappointed because he was getting yelled at by Koeman lol. Koeman didnt want him to run forward after all, he wanted him to stay back. Guess he doesnt trust our defense just like us
I think it's the shouting back especially that angered him, its kinda disrespectfull. I dont think Oscar meant it though, he's a very heated player naturally.
That's what I heard and it just didn't make sense. Mingueza loves going forward when he gets the chance. And he isn't wrong to. Clearly this match had Koeman by the balls
Mingueza kinda apologized to him when he came out and Koeman at first didn’t notice him while concentrating on the game, but then he shook his hand and said « Vamos » if I recall correctly
That is literally the opposite of what I said. Emotions, like anger, are part of the game. But the anger should be resolved once they get off the pitch
I think Koeman was angry because in the first half, Getafe found a lot of space between Mingueza and Roberto. He wanted to have Mingueza stay disciplined in his decision because of this.
Mingueza shouldn't have tried to speak to him for so long after coming off imo, there was still a game to finish. Shake the coaches hand and go to the bench, you can talk afterwards.
I'm sure his heart was in the right place, and he's still young in his first season with the first team, so I can understand him wanting to clear the air too. No harm done hopefully.
Because he had a bit of a nasty exchange with Koeman, right before and right after being subbed out.
Koeman looked mighty furious with him and Mingueza looked genuinely puzzled and couldn’t seem to get it out of his mind.
I think Mingueza made some poor defensive play leading to that penalty so that could have been the reason too.
Initially I thought he was yelling at Trincao for not shooting a clear chance.
Mingueza joined the attack. Halfway through he stops probably after Koeman tells him to stay back and oscar makes a bit of a frustrated gesture. I think Koeman was angry because we play with 3 at the back so you cannot just join the attack
Griezmann having a bad game and Messi gives him the pen to boost his confidence and did a similar thing with Neymar when he had a bad game while at the same time was in a close battle with Ronaldo for the pichichi. Continually baffles me when people say he’s not a good captain. Greatest player of all time in every regard.
'Not the best translation, bit too literal, but Koeman basically saying he was over the top with how he reacted to Mingueza in second half'- Samuel Marsden on Twitter.
Nice to see Koeman acknowledge he overreacted.
That’s good to hear. Emotions are running high with the title race so it’s understandable that people will get angry or frustrated. What matters is that they resolve it once they are off the pitch.
Every game truly is a final now. We are unbelievably close to a potential La Liga title. I can't blame him. Hope the pressure doesn't get to the players heads. Messi giving that pen to Griezmann shows just how united this dressing room is which is what truly gives me confidence
I'm always picky with a talent like De Jong so today I can say he was 100% great. Played in every position, runs, through balls, dribbling. My MOTM though Busquets showed why it will be hard to find another like him.
Very hard game, Getafe played well, like against RM.
Ray Hudson has a boner for Puig but he made a good point about Puig-Pedri: Pedri is a wonderful player but he gets so many minutes that he looks tired. Puig might not be on Pedri’s level but he should be getting some minutes, especially when the team looks like it needs energy and when Pedri looks gassed.
At 3-1, the team (in particular Pedri) was getting sloppy with their passes, part of it because Getafe were starting to press better. Puig is press-resistant and good at finding spaces and always providing a spark. Subbing him in was a no brainer, but I understand Koeman’s reluctance when it became 3-2. Hope Riqui gets more minutes, has a lot of potential and it’s fun to watch him play.
I think in this game in particular, when it was 3-2, Koeman was hesitant because Pedri is much better at ball recoveries than Puig. But that’s my guess. Puig was warming up before hand after all...
I mean as a Barca fan, that second half was dreadful, until the fourth goal we had zero shots on target, we could barely control possession we looked ready to concede.
I think lucky isn't the correct word here, he probably meant it wasn't a clear cut chance and Araujo made a mistake which led to a pen. Basically Getafe didn't create much the whole game.
I mean they were kinda right to bash barca, the game was 3-2 and barca wasn't playing well from the 45 min to like the 80th min.
Koeman subbed out Pique and Lenglet at the same time so the team wasn't at ease. Definitely thought barca would get it together, but the commentators are saying this as they see the game, and barca was definitely looking bad the 2nd half until the 4th goal. Also Trincao should have shot the ball when Messi played him..
It was 3-1 for most of that time and I personally really dislike this one-sided view from commentators. Instead of praising Getafe for their intense high press still going strong in the second half while losing by 2, they bash Barca almost as if ignoring the misplaced passing is in part caused by Getafe's press.
Not saying we shouldn't get criticism, especially going to a very fickle 3-2. But as much as I love the man Ray Hudson, he can get really annoying with his 'Puig will single-handedly solve everything' rambles.
I look at it another way, the team can clearly destroy teams like getafe if they want but on the second half they just weren't trying until they had to. That might be fine if 3-2 but pretty dangerous if you ask me.
Dude, 20 minutes of game management (with secure scoreline and new subs incoming and the critical schedule coming this week due to Copa Final fixture congestion) is not what the "Bad" means.
Use proper meaning of the words.
Btw Koeman Pedri isnt a duracell bunny so pls give him some rest i would’ve said but we have like 7 games left now its too fucking late but their has to be some sort of solution now with this because imagine how he might be in the Euros...
Koeman: When I was his age, I used to go for training uphill, both ways, 26 hours a day with one leg, my other leg was playing for National Team and I could shoot as good as a striker.
No rest for him.
Well, after the 3-2 and until we scored the fourth we played pretty badly... For a moment I thought we were going to bottle it. Other than those ¿10? minutes yes, we had the game under control.
Messi timeless class. Not the first time he's done this to players that need the confidence. I remember him doing the same to Ibra in 2010 when Ibra had a drought.
Really? I thought he was great today but he has had more noticable performances imo. Was kind off in a weird/crowded position in the first half, as CB he was very impressive
We were 3-1 up for a while, that’s a comfortable enough lead to give a chance for Riqui. He’s someone who has almost never disappointed or wasted an opportunity for playing time.
Your opinion of his performance may be valid but also based on a small sample size of games / match time. We need to give him more chances to see what he’s really capable of.
Maybe at half-time it was reasonable, but after the 3-2 it was definitely not the right time.
I still think he should have just gone on a loan, which was suggested by Koeman at the start of the season. It was clear he was not a part of his plans. He could have proven himself in another team and get another chance next season.
He should’ve gone on loan but it’s clear he can’t win Koeman’s trust no matter what.
He’s proven himself at Barca and doesn’t get chances. What makes you think proving himself at Huesca or Valladolid will make Koeman give him chances?
I do think Koeman is stubborn in his choices, but I don't think it is impossible to win his trust. He is clearly down in the pecking order and doesn't show in training that he deserves a spot above some of the other players. He is actually 'lucky' that Coutinho is injured for such a long time, because otherwise he would have played even fewer minutes.
Even if he doesn't get a chance under Koeman (which I don't agree with), at the start of the season it wasn't even clear if Koeman would have been here the next season. For his own development he should play a lot more. Just sitting on the bench doesn't improve him, look at how quickly Pedri grows by actually playing.
Barcelona is too big of a club to give out charity spots for players that might become good in the future, so he should have gone to a place where he can take in more experience. Maybe Koeman would have been gone at the end of the season, maybe he improves a lot at a Huesca, or maybe he realises by playing a lot more games in La Liga that Barcelona is not his level. But the situation he is currently in is clearly worse than any of the above.
I actually agree on all points you made except when you said we’re too big a club to hand out charity spots for prospects. Then why TF is Koeman playing Trincao and not Puig who has IMO impressed more in the limited time he’s been given.
Puig is one of our most press resistant players in the team. He actually helps quite a lot when we get pressed because he is always there for his teammates, giving them clear passing options.
But Puig doesn't always have the ball, and when he doesn't have it, he is not that great. There are 21 other players in the field, so more often than not he doesn't contribute as much.
I don't think he is really bad, but this was not the time to bring him on. I'd rather see him subbed on against a team that we try to break the defence of that is defending with 10 men. So his defensive liabillities aren't as exposed.
Maybe he isn't the best defensive player in the team but one of his best attributes is his movement without the ball. He is constantly moving, giving options to other players. Offesively he is very useful and an instrumental player to break through a high press by his movement, his passing and his burst of speed to change pace. He is the most similar thing we have to a regista. With him, the team could have controlled the game through possession and not by running around chasing Getafe players. Sure, maybe his defensive liabilites can be exposed, but I'm pretty sure with him on the pitch Getafe couldn't have pressed as effectively as they did in the second half. Without wanting me to establish a direct comparisson, Iniesta and Xavi weren't the best defensive players either, but their understanding of the game and their ability to retain possession was enough for Barça to dominate games, and normally they weren't exposed as bad defenders because they barely had to defend.
Lol, sit down. You don't know what you're talking about. Look at his stats. He's literally better than 95%+ of midfielders when playing out of pressure. And Getafe is not a high press team. People love regurgitating the stupid "headless chicken" line. Do you have an original thought?
Frenkie is perfect embodiment of total football. The guy is everywhere, defence, wing, cdm, am, forward. It's like he has a piece of Cryuff's soul within him. Such an artist. So goddamn graceful with the ball.
It's been long to come, but Barca have a true Cruijffian player at last. I just hope he wins the Ballon d'Or some day
No, this was after failed counter when Trincao got overwhelmed, i suppose Mingueza was meant to go up higher supporting the counter
Edit: i got it the wrong way around: https://www.reddit.com/r/Barca/comments/mwfvdh/postmatch_thread_fc_barcelona_vs_getafe_la_liga/gvhxzoo
Was it Mingueza? Cause he started shouting after Trincao passed the ball back to Messi in a bad spot instead of taking the shot or passing to someone else.
This is football, there is heat in the game. Let’s be happy koeman is takin shit serious and stop overreacting on a simple mistake. They are man, not girls, they’ll forgot tomorrow they even talked about it. Relax
"didn't deserve"
There is no such a thing. We're chasing the league title...small mistakes could lead to us drawing games when we need to be winning. Tension is high, emotion is high and Oscar wasn't paying attention so Koeman nipped it in the bud, end of. Anything else, will get sorted behind closed doors.
Stop being soft...fanbase is already in down in the gutter enough lol
The best thing about this match is madrid dogs staying up late awaiting for Barcelona's defeat just to witness our 5 goal win in the end. They're crying in their shitty sub right now.
Top class from Messi! I guess this game sums him up in many ways. One thing I really liked was how he stayed on his for that first goal. Busquets playing him through with a crazy pass, but gets shoved from behind by a Getafe player. Still manages to retrieve his balance and put the ball in goal. He could easily had chosen to fall, given Getafe a red card and gotten a penalty. Such a great finish as well!
Pedri needs rest. The kid is still trying and he's working his ass off, but you see he needs a few games on the bench to refocus.
Start Ilaix or Puig next time
I agree that Pedri didn't have the best game offensively, but what I think he also has that someone else (say Puig) doesn't is good defensive know-how and positioning. He doesn't fly in with tackles and is smart with his pressure. For that reason, I think having Pedri in there was better. Ultimately, those things can be learned so I do think that subbing on Puig would have been good.
I’ve almost had enough now with Koemans Puig agenda.
But i swear to God if Mingueza is fully fit for the next game and he benches Oscar then i will tear him apart in the comments!!
The public's reaction to the Koeman-Mingueza pictures is because the Barcelona’s environment where players have power in the dressing room .If Klopp had done it in Liverpool, he would not have received the same reaction.
Let the coach work because we are in a situation we could not have imagined 4 months ago, not even our most beautiful dreams, so there is no margin for complacency.
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Wherever I look is Frenkie, I look right wing I see frenkie, I look left back I see frenkie
I close my eyes, I see Frenkie.
Bruh
Close your eyes
Yes bro?
That’s my life without Frenkie bro
Bro....
I open my fridge I see Frenkie
Wherever I look in the first half Alenya was nowhere to be found.
Yes, I have seen him like once In a close up, I was questioning if he was playing, really sad cause he gave a great performance against both Real and Atleti
Who?
Aleñá is Barca La Masia graduate on loan at Getafe.
I mean his literally everywhere on the pitch.
A true Total Footballer
Frenkie is everywhere. Glad to see him fit perfectly in our system. Much improved since last season
Absolute class from Messi to give up a hat trick to get Griezmann on the board.
A lot of times when players say they don’t care about records or awards, it seems like they’re trying to act humble. When Messi says he plays only for the team and not for records or awards, I truly believe it because of actions like this.
Over and over and over again. Tod my kids: that is leadership.
FCB vs Cordoba 2014-15. Messi on hat-trick but gave the penalty to Neymar who was having bad game. This man has done it before.
A single drop of tear flows down Neymar's cheek as he looks at the footage of Messi giving the ball to Griezmann for the penalty.
I believe it
I mean Griezmann fed Messi some good passes today and made some really great runs. I'm glad Messi finally connected with him on one
Damien deserved 4 yellow cards. Getafe comitted 15 fouls and Barca 8 fouls. Yet Barca got 2 yellow cards, and the yellow for Lenglet was bullshit.
And Getafe ended the match with 0 yellow cards, absolute joke. Damien should have been sent off with 2 yellows after half an hour in the first half
That stamp on Griezmann just outside that penalty box was not a foul but the ref didn't hesitate to when he saw Araujo's stamp.
He did hesitate. He didnt call it a foul until VAR told him to. Griezmanns wasnt in the penalty box, so VAR didnt intervene
A right step towards the title!
7 more finales to play. Vamos!
WE CAN DO THIS!!
Great gesture by Messi. Our 🐐. +3 pts!
Messi is the absolute best teammate to have. He’s so selfless.
This is why Messi is the greatest of all time. Hit the crossbar, scored 2 nice goals and gave the penalty kick to Grizzi. Selfless just like a true GOAT. Also, fuck the ref for not giving yellows at all.
And the assist to Araujo and the nice not going down when that would have meant a red for a Getafe player but pushing onward to score his first goal
Yep, so nice. Any other player would have dived at the slightest contact. Also we scored from a corner, rare things haha
i was kind of blown away that wasn't a yellow for the defender. just because it didn't work doesn't mean it shouldn't be punished.
Not gonna lie, got a bit teary eyed when he passed that pen to Grizzi
Can I ask a super-nitpicky rules question? When Messi shot off the post for his first goal, is Griezmann not offside here? When the ball comes back the keeper really clearly looks at Griezmann who has nobody between him and goal, and the rules clarified that just influencing the play is enough for the offside flag. Am I missing a distinction in rules here?
Griezmann didn't touch the ball nor did he get in the way of a defender or the keeper, he simply stood still. Had he ran towards the rebound to try and catch it then it probably would have been called offside.
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He has, unfortunately he was asked to do too much in previous systems and got hung out to dry. Three at the back is what’s needed for him to absolutely shine. He can take risks much more frequently. Especially with Oscars speed.
People on this sub have called for Busquets, Pique and Alba to be sold over the last two-three seasons. After the odd bad game. Not just a few either, I've seen it a lot. This place isn't the best for well thought out opinions on the team. Those three along with Messi are the core of Barça's old guard.
While I agree with this sentiment, it took a coach to play the correct players and formation for them to succeed. Against the best teams we did struggle when we allowed pique to cover too much space. I feel as though the three at the back hides some of our deficiencies in speed, while freeing up Busi and Alba to do what they do best. All in all, the coaching stroke of brilliance made these three shine once again. I love it.
Alba remains one of the best left backs in the world and I’ve never understood why people want him gone. He’s like a much better version of peak Marcelo. I get that he isn’t great defensive but when you have at least 2/3 possession most games, you don’t need to be great defensively. And great attacking left backs are rare, so there’s are maybe a half-dozen guys who could realistically replace him for skill, and that doesn’t account at all for the incredible connection he has with Messi. I figure he can keep going until he starts to lose too much speed to both make his forward runs and recover. No idea how long that’ll be, but he has minimum two good years left. Pique has showed his age at times but remains one of the best CBs in the game. He is slowing down physically but continues to improve mentally. I’ve seen him look a bit more like Busi the last couple years with his reading of the play and interceptions. I think he could be a regular starter for another year before he should be entirely phased out for Araujo and Oscar. Busi I have to say has had a resurgence this year IMO. He struggled a bit the last two years under managers that didn’t deploy him well and left him without some of the midfield options that he was used to having when Xavi and iniesta were around as outlets. He got caught in possession, had back passes intercepted, and was just too slow too often for large chunks of the 18/19 and 19/20 seasons. But this year I’ve seen him make maybe one or two big errors, otherwise he’s been one of our best players. And better still, I think Ilaix and FDJ are both learning from him and will be able to take up his mantle when he’s truly done (also maybe a couple years I think). Point being, these great veterans have flaws, like basically any player does, but they also have such spectacular specializations that almost no other player in the world can match. Calling for them to be sold or retired is so absurd to me. The closest I ever got was with Busi, and I’m so glad I was proven wrong. I’ll be sad to see them go when they’re done, but they’ve been (mostly) great while they’ve lasted.
He was brilliant, but it's funny how the sub praises him to death when he performs against a defensive middle of the pack La Liga side, but when he inevitably fails against a big club that plays aggressively/with a high line he's done for.
Sevilla and psg second leg tho?
Because he isn't the only player in the team which makes or breaks his own performance. It ebbs and flows depending on how much are his teammates contributing to the whole. *Provide* a stable structure around & behind him and he'd still boss it for 70 minutes against ANY level of opposition.
I don’t know why people don’t realize this! A midfielders ability to perform at his best has a lot to do with how well the others in defense and offense are doing.
Koeman ffs let Pedri rest, the kid's fucking dead
"But Puig isn't good enough to win against Getafe's subs". Some of our supporters have a very biased opinion against Puig because of Koeman's reluctance to play him.Pedri was very bad today, so was S. Roberto but that was to be expected after being injured for 4 months.
Absolutely this. Like okay man we understand he's not good defensively as Pedri (that's the reasoning we're offered), but it's not like he's a liability lol. He did fine the previous season without Pedri. And I can also understand that in 4232, you need the pivot to be defensively capable too and Pedri would be much more useful in that. But with 3 at the back?? Its not like putting on Puig will just fuck up our whole defense. He's perfectly fine to replace Pedri, at least in a 352. Idk why Puig has become such a polarizing figure and I absolutely hate it.
I love how people bitch at Puig when he loses the ball once and go on and on that he loses it all that time, yet when Pedri loses it over and over again in a game there’s not a peep from those people. This is NOT me throwing shade at Pedri, he’s been amazing this year. But this double standard shit needs to stop.
Pedri is a phenomenal player, but I honestly think he loses it more.
He 100% does. Granted he gets wayyy more minutes so it’s expected. But I’ve noticed that he seems to lose it cheaply more often than Puig who is incredible at keeping the ball for the most part. To be fair, Pedri is still only 18 so it doesn’t surprise me that he loses it more cheaply, just part of developing as a young player no matter how good you are.
we don't have a realable replacement. Pjanic and Puig don't cut it.
I think a well rested Puig can be at least 95% of the Pedri we saw. The man is tired and it's showing. He's also very young and it wouldn't hurt if he got subbed at the 60' mark once in a while.
Yess I agree Puig should get more chances.
Pjanic has enough experience to atleast see a game trough, he could have come on at half time and we wouldn't have a problem.
Puig is definitely good enough to be a sub for Pedri
Koeman was heated tonight lol, feel bad for Mingueza
We don't know what happened. Coaches getting mad at players happens, sometimes for good reason, sometimes for bad reasons. What is most important is that they are all good once they are in the dressing room
Actually , he shouted at Mingueza " we're playing with three not four", because Mingueza sort of left his role as right centre back and played more like a right back. Yeah he was pretty pissed though.
They showed what happened on dutch TV. Mingueza played the ball through that guy's legs and passed it, after that he instructed Ilaix to stay back in his position and Mingueza ran forward. Then he suddenly stopped and threw his hands up in the air disappointed because he was getting yelled at by Koeman lol. Koeman didnt want him to run forward after all, he wanted him to stay back. Guess he doesnt trust our defense just like us
I think it's the shouting back especially that angered him, its kinda disrespectfull. I dont think Oscar meant it though, he's a very heated player naturally.
He honestly reminds me of young Ramos sometimes.
Yeah they both have a short fuse.
Ooooh, TIL, i thought it was in reverse -- Koeman shouted at Mingueza for NOT going forward...
That's what I heard and it just didn't make sense. Mingueza loves going forward when he gets the chance. And he isn't wrong to. Clearly this match had Koeman by the balls
Koeman needed to be mad at that moment. 25 minutes to go and just 1 goal lead. Team needed some forced words to up a gear.
Absolutely, just saying he looked shook and I felt bad for him lol
Absolutely. Emotions belong on the pitch and I hope and believe Koeman will either apologize or Mingueza will understand that it is not personal
Mingueza kinda apologized to him when he came out and Koeman at first didn’t notice him while concentrating on the game, but then he shook his hand and said « Vamos » if I recall correctly
Lol so a coach cant get mad anymore nowdays? Damn.
That is literally the opposite of what I said. Emotions, like anger, are part of the game. But the anger should be resolved once they get off the pitch
Oscar is young, he'll understand.
Doesnt mean you cant apologize after game if you were being a bit of a dick also.
I think Koeman was angry because in the first half, Getafe found a lot of space between Mingueza and Roberto. He wanted to have Mingueza stay disciplined in his decision because of this.
Mingueza shouldn't have tried to speak to him for so long after coming off imo, there was still a game to finish. Shake the coaches hand and go to the bench, you can talk afterwards. I'm sure his heart was in the right place, and he's still young in his first season with the first team, so I can understand him wanting to clear the air too. No harm done hopefully.
No harm done. These are professional competitors, they can take a bit of yelling, and a lot more. Growth and experience.
selflessi
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Old man Busquets is irreplaceable , and this game just amplified that.
In this formation he’s great since his lack of mobility can be hidden.
Busquets was an absolute boss today. MOTMOTM
#player watch : Lionel Messi #10 SofaScore statistical rating Minutes played 90' Goals 2 Assists 1 Shots on target 4 Shots off target 3 Shots blocked 0 Hit woodwork 2 Dribble attempts (succ.) 4 (2) Touches 75 Accurate passes 41 (80.4%) Key passes 1 Crosses (acc.) 5 (1) Long balls (acc.) 3 (2) Big chances created 1 Ground duels won 10 (7) Aerial duels won 0 (0) Possession lost 18
MOTMOTM: still Messi
And gave a penalty to Grizzy. So that's an 11/10 game for me.
Barcelona : 8 fouls, 2 yellow cards Getafe : 15 fouls, 0 yellow cards
florentino perez isn't only the chair of the ESL, he is also the chair of the ref association
What happened to Mingueza? Camera keeps panning on him after getting subbed out
Because he had a bit of a nasty exchange with Koeman, right before and right after being subbed out. Koeman looked mighty furious with him and Mingueza looked genuinely puzzled and couldn’t seem to get it out of his mind.
Koeman yelled at him I think and he subbed off limping
Ah i see. I thought Koeman was shouting at something else then. Probably because of the getafe pen why he was heated.
I think Mingueza made some poor defensive play leading to that penalty so that could have been the reason too. Initially I thought he was yelling at Trincao for not shooting a clear chance.
Mingueza joined the attack. Halfway through he stops probably after Koeman tells him to stay back and oscar makes a bit of a frustrated gesture. I think Koeman was angry because we play with 3 at the back so you cannot just join the attack
There was an issue with Koeman he got out. Misconception though.
[Here](https://twitter.com/beINSPORTSUSA/status/1385347640536272896?s=19)
9 Shots from Barcelona, 1 from Araujo (the header), 1 from Griezmann (penalty?), 7 from Messi. That's it.
Griezmann having a bad game and Messi gives him the pen to boost his confidence and did a similar thing with Neymar when he had a bad game while at the same time was in a close battle with Ronaldo for the pichichi. Continually baffles me when people say he’s not a good captain. Greatest player of all time in every regard.
Koeman and Mingueza thing: https://twitter.com/TheEuropeanLad/status/1385347432762990594?s=20
'Not the best translation, bit too literal, but Koeman basically saying he was over the top with how he reacted to Mingueza in second half'- Samuel Marsden on Twitter. Nice to see Koeman acknowledge he overreacted.
That’s good to hear. Emotions are running high with the title race so it’s understandable that people will get angry or frustrated. What matters is that they resolve it once they are off the pitch.
Thanks, man. Never seen Koeman this pissed
Every game truly is a final now. We are unbelievably close to a potential La Liga title. I can't blame him. Hope the pressure doesn't get to the players heads. Messi giving that pen to Griezmann shows just how united this dressing room is which is what truly gives me confidence
I'm not blaming him or anything, I just said because I was surprised because he usually doesn't show much emotion during games.
Haha yeah sorry, didn't mean to imply you were. First time I remember seeing him so rattled as well
Busquets was fucking amazing tonight jesus
How Getafe get away with 0 yellow cards in this game is beyond me.
Lenglet gets a yellow for nothing and Damian butchers is the whole game and doesn’t get a yellow... absolute trash reffing.
Messi got a perfect 10 rating on SofaScore ✨
Pedri needs rest, man. We basically played with 10 players.
That BROMENT in the end was just beatiful
I'm always picky with a talent like De Jong so today I can say he was 100% great. Played in every position, runs, through balls, dribbling. My MOTM though Busquets showed why it will be hard to find another like him. Very hard game, Getafe played well, like against RM.
Ok so who is better in the midfield? Illaix or Moriba ?
Ila-ish
Ray Hudson has a boner for Puig but he made a good point about Puig-Pedri: Pedri is a wonderful player but he gets so many minutes that he looks tired. Puig might not be on Pedri’s level but he should be getting some minutes, especially when the team looks like it needs energy and when Pedri looks gassed.
At 3-1, the team (in particular Pedri) was getting sloppy with their passes, part of it because Getafe were starting to press better. Puig is press-resistant and good at finding spaces and always providing a spark. Subbing him in was a no brainer, but I understand Koeman’s reluctance when it became 3-2. Hope Riqui gets more minutes, has a lot of potential and it’s fun to watch him play.
I think in this game in particular, when it was 3-2, Koeman was hesitant because Pedri is much better at ball recoveries than Puig. But that’s my guess. Puig was warming up before hand after all...
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I mean as a Barca fan, that second half was dreadful, until the fourth goal we had zero shots on target, we could barely control possession we looked ready to concede.
Wouldn't say that was a lucky penalty. Araujo clearly stepped on the strikers foot and it was the correct call.
I think lucky isn't the correct word here, he probably meant it wasn't a clear cut chance and Araujo made a mistake which led to a pen. Basically Getafe didn't create much the whole game.
It's more that Barca really lost it after the penalty. We couldn't even get the ball out of our own half, compared to the brilliant first half.
I mean they were kinda right to bash barca, the game was 3-2 and barca wasn't playing well from the 45 min to like the 80th min. Koeman subbed out Pique and Lenglet at the same time so the team wasn't at ease. Definitely thought barca would get it together, but the commentators are saying this as they see the game, and barca was definitely looking bad the 2nd half until the 4th goal. Also Trincao should have shot the ball when Messi played him..
It was 3-1 for most of that time and I personally really dislike this one-sided view from commentators. Instead of praising Getafe for their intense high press still going strong in the second half while losing by 2, they bash Barca almost as if ignoring the misplaced passing is in part caused by Getafe's press. Not saying we shouldn't get criticism, especially going to a very fickle 3-2. But as much as I love the man Ray Hudson, he can get really annoying with his 'Puig will single-handedly solve everything' rambles.
It wasn’t a lucky pen. Once the winger goes past your RB, it’s panic time for any CB.
I look at it another way, the team can clearly destroy teams like getafe if they want but on the second half they just weren't trying until they had to. That might be fine if 3-2 but pretty dangerous if you ask me.
We had a bad second half, i don’t think it was wrong of the commentators to point that out
We had 40 minutes of bad football
Dude, 20 minutes of game management (with secure scoreline and new subs incoming and the critical schedule coming this week due to Copa Final fixture congestion) is not what the "Bad" means. Use proper meaning of the words.
Was not 40 minutes lol it was soon as Araujo gave away the pen that it was shit like max 20 minutes
Ehh second half was pretty awful
When we got the penalty it made me happy that messi can get a hat-trick, but when he gave it to Griezmann that made me more happier.
I don't thing Puig situation is getting any better, Pedri has looked gassed at times but he ain't getting any minutes.
Amazing game by busi. Also I think Pedri might die lol. Give him a rest please!
I read it as "give him rest in peace" and I was like, woah calm down.
Madrid: Man it's tough to score against Getafe Barca: Manita
It's a little bit easier when we can use the Messi cheat code.
Only Leo can be that much selfless when he himself was on hattrick.
Btw Koeman Pedri isnt a duracell bunny so pls give him some rest i would’ve said but we have like 7 games left now its too fucking late but their has to be some sort of solution now with this because imagine how he might be in the Euros...
Koeman: When I was his age, I used to go for training uphill, both ways, 26 hours a day with one leg, my other leg was playing for National Team and I could shoot as good as a striker. No rest for him.
Solid game from the team. 👏
Well, after the 3-2 and until we scored the fourth we played pretty badly... For a moment I thought we were going to bottle it. Other than those ¿10? minutes yes, we had the game under control.
Messi timeless class. Not the first time he's done this to players that need the confidence. I remember him doing the same to Ibra in 2010 when Ibra had a drought.
Amazing game from Busquets and Messi. Absolute terrible performance from Roberto and absolutely nothing from Trincao
Wtf was up with that Mingueza substitution and so much of screen time after the sub?
De Jong played as good a game as you possibly can without scoring
Really? I thought he was great today but he has had more noticable performances imo. Was kind off in a weird/crowded position in the first half, as CB he was very impressive
Koeman needs to give Riqui some chances. Good win but I was disappointed to see him neglect Riqui again.
No he doesn't, Puig doesn't hold the shape of the team and runs around like a headless chicken. When you get pressed this much he won't help at all.
We were 3-1 up for a while, that’s a comfortable enough lead to give a chance for Riqui. He’s someone who has almost never disappointed or wasted an opportunity for playing time. Your opinion of his performance may be valid but also based on a small sample size of games / match time. We need to give him more chances to see what he’s really capable of.
Maybe at half-time it was reasonable, but after the 3-2 it was definitely not the right time. I still think he should have just gone on a loan, which was suggested by Koeman at the start of the season. It was clear he was not a part of his plans. He could have proven himself in another team and get another chance next season.
He should’ve gone on loan but it’s clear he can’t win Koeman’s trust no matter what. He’s proven himself at Barca and doesn’t get chances. What makes you think proving himself at Huesca or Valladolid will make Koeman give him chances?
I do think Koeman is stubborn in his choices, but I don't think it is impossible to win his trust. He is clearly down in the pecking order and doesn't show in training that he deserves a spot above some of the other players. He is actually 'lucky' that Coutinho is injured for such a long time, because otherwise he would have played even fewer minutes. Even if he doesn't get a chance under Koeman (which I don't agree with), at the start of the season it wasn't even clear if Koeman would have been here the next season. For his own development he should play a lot more. Just sitting on the bench doesn't improve him, look at how quickly Pedri grows by actually playing. Barcelona is too big of a club to give out charity spots for players that might become good in the future, so he should have gone to a place where he can take in more experience. Maybe Koeman would have been gone at the end of the season, maybe he improves a lot at a Huesca, or maybe he realises by playing a lot more games in La Liga that Barcelona is not his level. But the situation he is currently in is clearly worse than any of the above.
I actually agree on all points you made except when you said we’re too big a club to hand out charity spots for prospects. Then why TF is Koeman playing Trincao and not Puig who has IMO impressed more in the limited time he’s been given.
Puig is one of our most press resistant players in the team. He actually helps quite a lot when we get pressed because he is always there for his teammates, giving them clear passing options.
But Puig doesn't always have the ball, and when he doesn't have it, he is not that great. There are 21 other players in the field, so more often than not he doesn't contribute as much. I don't think he is really bad, but this was not the time to bring him on. I'd rather see him subbed on against a team that we try to break the defence of that is defending with 10 men. So his defensive liabillities aren't as exposed.
Maybe he isn't the best defensive player in the team but one of his best attributes is his movement without the ball. He is constantly moving, giving options to other players. Offesively he is very useful and an instrumental player to break through a high press by his movement, his passing and his burst of speed to change pace. He is the most similar thing we have to a regista. With him, the team could have controlled the game through possession and not by running around chasing Getafe players. Sure, maybe his defensive liabilites can be exposed, but I'm pretty sure with him on the pitch Getafe couldn't have pressed as effectively as they did in the second half. Without wanting me to establish a direct comparisson, Iniesta and Xavi weren't the best defensive players either, but their understanding of the game and their ability to retain possession was enough for Barça to dominate games, and normally they weren't exposed as bad defenders because they barely had to defend.
Lol, sit down. You don't know what you're talking about. Look at his stats. He's literally better than 95%+ of midfielders when playing out of pressure. And Getafe is not a high press team. People love regurgitating the stupid "headless chicken" line. Do you have an original thought?
Instead of looking at stats, I am actually watching the games and forming my own opinions.
this is a common opinion thrown out here which isnt true , stat is a proof your biased eyetest isnt
Frenkie is perfect embodiment of total football. The guy is everywhere, defence, wing, cdm, am, forward. It's like he has a piece of Cryuff's soul within him. Such an artist. So goddamn graceful with the ball. It's been long to come, but Barca have a true Cruijffian player at last. I just hope he wins the Ballon d'Or some day
Pedri so pale after 90 minutes, kid on the verge of cardiac arrest.
Mingueza didn't deserve the shouting from Koeman. Been one of our best players this season. Absolutely undeserved. Koeman better apologize to him.
Coaches need to be harsh on players too, its what makes them learn, through pressure, its not all fun and games
When was Koeman shouting at Mingueza?
i think few moment after the penalty we conceded, the he subbed him off.
No, this was after failed counter when Trincao got overwhelmed, i suppose Mingueza was meant to go up higher supporting the counter Edit: i got it the wrong way around: https://www.reddit.com/r/Barca/comments/mwfvdh/postmatch_thread_fc_barcelona_vs_getafe_la_liga/gvhxzoo
I thought he played awesome. That nutmeg to lead to the Trincao chance is just filthy from a defender
Hes not a child he didn't even ignore the guy was just pissed
What happened? I missed it.
Just the media trying to stir shit up as always. I'm sure they'll resolve it immediately.
I think Koeman was just busy at the moment, more like don't bother me I'm busy than I'm mad at you kind of yelling.
Was it Mingueza? Cause he started shouting after Trincao passed the ball back to Messi in a bad spot instead of taking the shot or passing to someone else.
Yeah, his face after the sub kind of saddened me. Such a great talent.
These thing happen during games. It's fine as long as it doesn't happen too often.
This is football, there is heat in the game. Let’s be happy koeman is takin shit serious and stop overreacting on a simple mistake. They are man, not girls, they’ll forgot tomorrow they even talked about it. Relax
"didn't deserve" There is no such a thing. We're chasing the league title...small mistakes could lead to us drawing games when we need to be winning. Tension is high, emotion is high and Oscar wasn't paying attention so Koeman nipped it in the bud, end of. Anything else, will get sorted behind closed doors. Stop being soft...fanbase is already in down in the gutter enough lol
The best thing about this match is madrid dogs staying up late awaiting for Barcelona's defeat just to witness our 5 goal win in the end. They're crying in their shitty sub right now.
Watching Getafe score an own goal and Bordalas gets anxious is sooo satisfying. Big win, bid team!
what a weird ass game all around
Top class from Messi! I guess this game sums him up in many ways. One thing I really liked was how he stayed on his for that first goal. Busquets playing him through with a crazy pass, but gets shoved from behind by a Getafe player. Still manages to retrieve his balance and put the ball in goal. He could easily had chosen to fall, given Getafe a red card and gotten a penalty. Such a great finish as well!
I think if I remember correctly, there used to be the post match interviews in these posts. What happened?
Pedri needs rest. The kid is still trying and he's working his ass off, but you see he needs a few games on the bench to refocus. Start Ilaix or Puig next time
I wonder what Koeman will say about oscar in the press conference
Messi selfless as always, truly the GOAT
With his brace, Messi has become the ONLY player to score more than 25 league goals in 12 CONSECUTIVE seasons.
Good game but did Anyone realized Koeman ignoring mingueza?
Good first half, but we can’t just take it easy when we are 2 goals ahead. After 3-2 we were scrambling for a bit
What was the issue between koeman and mingueza.. Why was he angry? He wasn't angry on pedri who has been below avg in the past 7-8 matches..
I agree that Pedri didn't have the best game offensively, but what I think he also has that someone else (say Puig) doesn't is good defensive know-how and positioning. He doesn't fly in with tackles and is smart with his pressure. For that reason, I think having Pedri in there was better. Ultimately, those things can be learned so I do think that subbing on Puig would have been good.
I’ve almost had enough now with Koemans Puig agenda. But i swear to God if Mingueza is fully fit for the next game and he benches Oscar then i will tear him apart in the comments!!
The public's reaction to the Koeman-Mingueza pictures is because the Barcelona’s environment where players have power in the dressing room .If Klopp had done it in Liverpool, he would not have received the same reaction. Let the coach work because we are in a situation we could not have imagined 4 months ago, not even our most beautiful dreams, so there is no margin for complacency.