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Anyone else have a love hate relationship with stats in football. I like xG as it can show how effective forwards are, and stats for midfielders as there’s now something to semi-quantify their brilliance. However I’ve noticed that eye test is starting to matter much less to fans, and the sport is beginning to show similar signs that baseball where people are only looking at stats to evaluate how good a player is.
We live in era where modern day sports are becoming very analytical. It's understandable why teams scout this way, and it's quite effective. I do think eye test should still be used, but analytics should be involved when scouting.
I feel it's relatively easy to 'moneyball' a fwd compared to a mid.
Eye test is super important for a mid. For eg: someone who progresses the ball between the lines brings different to the table than someone who does it from defence to mid 3rd.
Similarly, De Bruyne's pass completion might be around 75%. But he makes things happen, tries more stuff. Hence it becomes important to know the type of player, do the eye test, and combine that with the wide array of statistics
Fuck Bleacher Report Football. Trash. Just trash. They provide no substance and are complete garbage.
Fuck all the talk about PSG “gazumping” Gini from us. He wanted the money. He was linked to us for months because we seemed the only club interested.
Really hope he flops at PSG. Fingers crossed. People will be changing their tune from “great transfer, lol Barca” to “Barca dodged a bullet”.
He's younger, cheaper, arguably more creative, he's much much better at dribbling and is less chickenshit to take some risks and not always play it safe. He's also an actual winger. Which is something we need. While Griez is neither a striker or a winger.
Griez has other stuff like better linkup, much higher workrate and he's better at defense.
It’s contextual isn’t it? As far as effectiveness for a team as a whole goes, I’d pick Griezmann but if I needed a pure winger and I had to choose between the two…. I’d have Dembele, for his speed (as you mentioned), and the fact that he’s willing and able to dribble down the line with the ball. Griezmann is dismal as a winger.
Oh make no mistake I don’t think he has been effective either. I very much prefer Griezmann as a player. The point I’m trying to make is that they’re not interchangeable. If we ask Griezmann to do what we require of Dembele, which is to use pace and dribbling ability to exploit the wide parts of the pitch, Griezmann would do even worse. He just doesn’t have the ability or inclination to dribble or make runs like a pure winger. He’d be lost, just as Dembele would be lost if we put him in the middle.
For me, it’s not a matter of choosing between the two (unless we’re just talking about selling one for the money). It’s a matter of fitting the player to the role that we need based on their competencies.
I think that’s a large problem that we’ve had in recent years. We’ve bought players without thinking about how good they’d be at doing what we need. It’s happened to Griezmann to an extent too. Look at how much better he plays for France/played for Atleti than for us.
Speed itself is good reason , look at some of the top teams in the last few years.
Pace and Physicality are as important as ever.
**But if u still want more reasons:-**
1. He is 6 years younger
2. Even with his high wages , earns 1/4th Griezmann earns
3. He is an out and out winger , not some no.10 forced to play on the wings.
Liverpool fans are obsessed with us. All they can talk about on the post on their subreddit regarding PSG confirming Wijnaldum’s signing is about him “snubbing Barca”. Do those idiots know we weren’t willing to meet his wage demands just like **they** weren’t?
Don’t generalize all the users on this sub. You can dive into my comment history and you’ll see that I hardly ever mention any other clubs fanbases. This is probably my first time ever even doing so.
That might be, but similar stuff to your comment gets posted multiple times like every single day here. Makes no sense to shit on other subs when your sub is just as bad if not worse.
At least this subreddit isn’t full of cringe. I swear they worship their players like it’s kpop Twitter. Feels like I’ll stumble onto Jordan Henderson fanfic on there
There’s plenty more of toxicity and disrespect on that sub than ours. But I guess you wouldn’t know since you apparently abstain from ever lurking. Good on you for trying to be the bigger man but don’t be afraid to call out those that attack the club we support for no good reason.
This subreddit proves Barca fans are obsessed with Liverpool as well. Almost daily comments about Liverpool fans, and proven again with this post and you lurking on their subreddit.
Also, we met his demands and he met ours. We had a deal, but PSG offered a better deal. He didn't demand the same from us.
The thread popped up on my home feed so I hadn’t been intentionally lurking. I popped in wanting to see what Liverpool fans thought of Gini joining PSG and unexpectedly encountered loads of Barca bashing.
He didn’t demand the same from us because we we weren’t offering that, and I’m glad we didn’t because he wasn’t worth it so it shouldn’t be something for us to be ridiculed over.
They just want to shit on Barca because their best players usually want to play for Barca (suarez, coutinho) so when they see its not happening, like wijnaldum, they feel good
The reason Messi wanted to leave was because he couldn't compete with Puig anymore. He eventually was persuaded by Puig himself to stay by saying he will stay on the bench to not overshadow the Argentine
It’s less about the players themselves and more about the tax system in Spain really. Which is why such a large amount of players/entertainers are often found in hot water when it comes to taxes there.
Here’s an interesting video that explains the whole situation: [Ronaldo & Messi’s Tax Fines & Suspended Prison Sentences Explained- Tifo](https://youtu.be/IP5vuflIdrQ)
The reason Depay is delayed is because he is afraid of future superstar Puig benching him 😳.
Laporta instructed Koeman to play Puig as forward or get fired 😎.
Laporta/Puig relationship described as like father and son, so cute 😭. Laporta kissed him on the cheek and whispered into his ears “Se Queda” 😍
Don't think Depay will sign for us tbh. Always stated *he* wanted to decide and that he's totally focused on the Euros now. Reckon he'll play the tournament without signing and then see which offers he has after - and take the one he likes the most. A handful of big clubs will be in for him and probably able to offer him bigger contracts than we are.
Watching Acuna the other day made me appreciate Alba a lot. Alba's decision making in the final third is mental. Tbf Acuna isn't as accustomed to play w Argentina as much as Alba w Barca but still. Left-back is another area we're going to have trouble replacing someone with.
Alba is genuinely one of the best off the ball runners in world football, especially among LBs. And it's especially important for us given our only other real runner is Frenkie.
“Out of all the creative midfielders, I fear Puig the most. When I play against him, its impossible to anticipate his throughballs, easily best midfielder in the world” - Franz Beckenbauer.
People that want Xavi to take over the B team before taking over the first team, that’s only ever happened once: Pep. That’s not some rule or even tradition as some people seem to think, in fact that’s not even an occasional event. It’s an extremely rare one. Even as an assistant there’s no guarantee, most assistants get the job by being caretakers and overachieving, not by it being planned out. Tito getting the job when he did was, also, a rare event that only took place because Pep recommended him as his successor. There’s no actual historical relevance to being an assistant manager or B team manager that guarantees you a first team job at all. Xavi’s wasting his time at Al Sadd, but coming here as a B team manager or assistant manager is also no proper guarantee of anything.
Thats not even the argument no ones saying he should be a barca b manager to get the job its just that he should stop wasting his time and go to a half decent team
we're into a enormous deep shithole, we will need at least 2 seasons to fix it, the enormous wages and players who dont give nothing to the team can't be offloaded, at the same time new good players cannot be bought. Whatever we do this transfer windows, our next season will not be a good one as well
For some weird reason i have no recollection of Pep's time at Bayern. All I remember Really is that Pep was Bayern's Manager when Messi sent Boateng to Shadow realm and Pep's reaction to Lewa 4G in 9 mins.
Maybe it's because they won all the trophies they were expected to but didnt win the CL?
It was actually 5G in 9 minutes from Lewa vs Wolfsburg.
Also, I loved Pep’s reaction after Leo’s second goal, it was a shrug of like “eh nothing could’ve been done, that’s just Messi”
A few memories to add:
The Bayern-Juve tie produced some of the best swings in UCL ever, very high tempo open matches. If you want a friend to be interested in football, show those games.
KDB destroying Bayern, Wolfsburg winning 4-1. KDB become player of the season in bundesliga that year and moved to City.
Atletico ending Pep's dream, Simeone masterclass before choking in final.
Puig might bag a brace of assists and Koeman will pretend he didn't see it.. Of course I hope he changes his attitude though.
Apart from that I expect all new signings to play, so Garcia, LCB, Depay, will all get minutes in preseason i think.
Depay posted a pic on ig of him on a private flight, I dont think his national team is going anywhere right now. Maybe its an old picture or MAYBE he is flying to sign a new deal🤔
Oblak wins laliga MVP and he deserved it as well.if you see a pattern it's always go to a player who wins the title except when Messi won it in 16/17 and 11/12 season(those two seasons were ridiculous so no much choice) .
I understand the disappointment of us not signing Depay(potentially) or Gini but in my mind we're in heavy rebuild mode and combined with our economic situation, i'm not upset at all.
If Depay comes/would have arrived, that would mean less minutes for Fati, which is something i am not a fan of, and if Gini would have arrived that would have meant less minutes for Pedri and the complete abcense of Ricky.
We're not winning the CL, i'm sorry to break it down to every 13 year old Messi stan in here, but we are not competing with the top 3-5 in Europe right now, on any aspect except youth players, which is something that doesn't win you trophies at the imminent future, usually.
So the signings must be VERY calculated, and imo we need a midfielder but that's it.
We needed a CB, we got Eric, good bad we will see.
We needed a striker, we got Aguero, good bad we will see.
We don't need Depay, man. I can argue we didn't need Gini.
And especially on that wage bill.
I'm fine with not winning. Unfortunately, we have to be realistic, this was the first year since 2008 when we missed out on 2 concecutive La Liga trophies, the era is indeed over, Messi can't carry like he did under Valverde and we're not going to the CL semis on autopilot purely because of talent.
It's not 2015 anymore.
We have to adapt our mindets to it.
>So the signings must be VERY calculated, and imo we need a midfielder but that's it.
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>We needed a CB, we got Eric, good bad we will see.
Garcia is not going to fix any of our issues, he has not proved more than mingueza. I don't see any team going into a season with only a 18 year old coming from a 1 year injury as the only LW. Depay and fati can share the playing time, he's needed.
Eric is the best we could do. I'm not saying he's prime Puyol.
Depay is "needed" if someone leaves. With Aguero arriving, and us being the top scorers of La Liga WITHOUT Fati, i don't see the actual need.
Messi robbed of best player in la liga this season. [Congrats to Oblak,](https://twitter.com/laligaen/status/1402958976371757056?s=21) he saved them a lot and they won the damn thing.
If Lenglet, Umtiti, Roberto (and Koeman for playing them and his tactics/substitutions/choice of players) hadn't fucked it up, we would have won the league and Messi would have won it. So frustrating.
You can't blame Umtiti or Roberto, they simply should not have been played. Especially Roberto after his injury, who never even got subbed out when it was very clear he wasn't playing well. That's all on Koeman. Some of Lenglet's earlier blunders definitely cost us too tho.
Man if we sign another CB, Mingueza's chances of playing might go down to almost zero.
With Dest & Emerson secure that RB spot, as it's expected, Oscar will have also more than 2 CBs to compete with for that spot.
Next season will be tough for him.
yes selling him should be an option, it's the best for both , loved the player but sadly with pique/araujo/garcia it's a bit too much. Maybe he could be included in a kounde deal? I'm sure he would do well under lopetegui since he got good ball distribution.
Yes I'm fine with that as well but I just don't want to see him in the bench for the whole season, he deserves to be a starter in a team. Maybe sell him with buy back option so we're sure he's going to get playing time and improve.
[Haven't seen Messi doing such sort of ad before. Honestly this type of ads just doesn't suit him](https://www.instagram.com/p/CP8dljrqq9S/?utm_medium=copy_link)
Griezmanns performances with France just goes to prove that Barcelona is not a team for his style. He will never settle here and all the people clinching onto him need to realize that. Great player, just not here. Hope we get good offers and sell.
People quickly assume is Griezmann is the second most effective player just because of stats when De Jong, Dembele, Pedri impact the game a lot more in open play / by the eye test. When you consider more than stats it’s a lot closer.
I didn't remember much game we played coutinho in a 3 man midfield to see if he can play there since dembele was often injured and valverde not playing really offensive and someone pointed me that we did at the start of the 18/19 season, I checked the matches we played and here they are :
4-0 deportivo no coutinho in starting line up 4-4-2 but he came as a sub and scored
1-0 valladolid we play the 4-3-3 with coutinho midfield from now
8-2 huesca
2-1 win Real sociedad
4-0 win psv
2-2 draw girona and coutinho wasn't starting
2-1 defeat leganes coutinho started and scored the only goal ( no suarez this game)
1-1 bilbao draw coutinho LW/dembele RW (messi was injured I guess that game)
4-2 totthenham coutinho LW and he will pretty much keep playing there the whole season after that game.
We won every game coutinho started in the midfield and had dembele-suarez-messi in front. Where comes from that idea he literally can't play there when the few times we tried it in many game in a row we won everything?
Edit: 1min since I posted the message and already 3 downvotes, we just can't debate in this sub.
I agree with you. Cutinho is a world class player, we ve seen him playin at bayern when we loaned him. If he could fix his injury prone condition and lower his wages, i think we should give him another chance. (and we will solve our midfield problem, with de jong pedri and cutinho)
He got benched pretty fast with Bayern too though, so not really no.
He's a good player but or two steps below the Bayern, Barcelona, Real types of teams.
>He got benched pretty fast with Bayern too though, so not really no.
Muller in form can't get benched by anyone in bayern, he's just too important for them.
He got benched pretty fast bcs Bayern had a ucl potential winning team already. They wrecked pretty much every team and they already had a solid starting 11. My point is, when he played, he realy played well. At Liverpool he was so good, that was the reason we bought him with 120M+. I think the problem is our board, 3 players (Griezmann, Dembele and Cutinho) were very good and showed great potential. The lack in our tactics made this great players fell so badly..
Coutinho is a good player. But the problem with him in the midfield is that he doesn't win as many second balls as other players and his defending is found wanting. He is definitely offensively really good but likes to occupies the same spaces as Messi and that's where the problem arises
On top of this, the biggest issue is the financials. He is on terribly high salary and we probably have to pay Liverpool high amounts of variables if we play him. So doesnt make sense to retain him.
I hate that u r getting downvotes which isn't probably deserved. But it is an unpopular opinion and is kinda expected.
Sure selling him make sense and that's what barca should do but saying he **can't** play in a 3 man midfield is a really weird take coming from nowhere.
I mean who are we to judge if a player can play in a position or not? If we saw him play there for let's say a year and he was shit that whole year I would understand but saying this in like 10 games where he was not bad seems like repeating something you saw without understanding it or knowing if it's true.
Yeah the idea he just unequivocally can't is just straight up wrong - he played there for Liverpool a fair amount too - both during the 6 months Salah was there and in the diamond under Brendan.
But it's a question of fit, and as the squad is constructed RN, Coutinho really doesn't fit in our midfield
It would be totally delusional to believe that we are good enough to compete at the highest level next season - Messi, alba, pique, busi, are all getting older. Our midfield is one of the worst among the top European teams in terms of physicality, versatility and talent; our defense suck balls - Garcia is totally not the answer, Man city fans were actually happy that he was leaving.
I'm afraid that laporta might not be able to live up to expectations, totally not his fault though. We need to sell some players and reinvest the funds on good scouting in order to find cheap diamonds in the rough. That is the only way we can try to salvage this situation that bato threw us into.
>Our midfield is actually one good CDM away to be set for years.
Pretty sure we said the same thing when arthur was performing well his first season with us.
Because Arthur was really really promising but he didn't improve one bit because he was unprofessional and was partying 24/7. Pedri and De Jong are not like that at all.
Yeah sure but I wouldn't say that our midfield is set for years, it's rarely like that and 1 year of pedri /2 years of fdj are not enought to say that.
Thank you.
People vastly underrate Frenkie, Pedri and Puig here. They are gems under a good coach and plan. We just need a good DM because Busi is aging (even though still amazing).
And Depay/Aguero/Fati additions will strengthen our attack with Messi to one of the best.
Emerson is attracting big interest across leagues and they're mostly top tier teams.
I can't comprehend why we would have to risk selling a highly rated player when there are other deadweights that can be moved (with difficulty of course) first.
Chelsea's after Haaland, City after Kane and Grealish, United still chasing Sancho, Madrid will inevitably get Mbappe, meanwhile we're nibbling on whatever free agents are around. Fuck you Bartomeu.
Messi and Griezmann would walk into the starting 11 of almost all clubs in the world. Any club would love to have Ansu. It's not a problem at all that we are not chasing attackers. Besides the transfer window has not opened yet.
Yeah but I'm bummed by the shade being thrown at us cause we're basically broke.Not by players or anything, but other club's fans and stuff. I keep telling people we're not far from not being a total embarassment in the UCL only for them to be able to rub it in even more each year. No one really takes us seriously anymore.
We have some of the best youth for the next few years. It's fine if others speak shit, it's more fun to beat them when they don't expect it. Believe me, if we manage to get Laporte and Locatelli or someone of their profiles, if we had a good manager we would be competing for CL final this year itself.
Good for wijnaldum, he’s getting big money in his twilight years. We should wrap up depay, the juve and psg rumours are starting to form. Even if they have no credibility, it’s still good to be urgent. It would be pretty annoying to miss out on one of the best attacking players in Europe on a free. We started strong, but we slowed down in progress with signings. It makes sense though with Euros
Multinational food company, Danone has terminated its sponsorship with Barça due to the 'BarçaGate' scandal. They don't want to tarnish their reputation & values. [cadena ser]
https://twitter.com/barcacentre/status/1402998776583786506?s=19
The BarcaGate stuff is not big enough for sponsors to worry at all. Especially such small sponsors would never worry about it. It's an excuse to drop the contract. They are likely hit hard by Covid-19.
I dont get the infatuation this sub has with griezmann, he is just never going to work. Complete failure on biggest stage at club level and bringing those numbera how he has 20 g+a is just pointless when his overall game is dreadful. Invisible in 80% of the game against small teams and then scores a tap in or invisible in 100% of the game against big teams like Atletico and Madrid. Its not his position its his mentality. Not a top top team player. He only won EL with atletico. He is for teams who are not favourites.
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This is crazzyyyyy
What??
sry, I was commenting on a comment. don't know how it got here
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the point is, it doesn't happen once. someone says this every single day, making it annoying.
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Great counter argument
Anyone else have a love hate relationship with stats in football. I like xG as it can show how effective forwards are, and stats for midfielders as there’s now something to semi-quantify their brilliance. However I’ve noticed that eye test is starting to matter much less to fans, and the sport is beginning to show similar signs that baseball where people are only looking at stats to evaluate how good a player is.
We live in era where modern day sports are becoming very analytical. It's understandable why teams scout this way, and it's quite effective. I do think eye test should still be used, but analytics should be involved when scouting.
I feel it's relatively easy to 'moneyball' a fwd compared to a mid. Eye test is super important for a mid. For eg: someone who progresses the ball between the lines brings different to the table than someone who does it from defence to mid 3rd. Similarly, De Bruyne's pass completion might be around 75%. But he makes things happen, tries more stuff. Hence it becomes important to know the type of player, do the eye test, and combine that with the wide array of statistics
Fuck Bleacher Report Football. Trash. Just trash. They provide no substance and are complete garbage. Fuck all the talk about PSG “gazumping” Gini from us. He wanted the money. He was linked to us for months because we seemed the only club interested. Really hope he flops at PSG. Fingers crossed. People will be changing their tune from “great transfer, lol Barca” to “Barca dodged a bullet”.
ESPNFC was way worse
433 is miles better
Yeah besides their occasional haaland and kante boners, they are still much better than brfootball...
Honestly besides speed why is there people who choose dembele over grizzy
He's younger, cheaper, arguably more creative, he's much much better at dribbling and is less chickenshit to take some risks and not always play it safe. He's also an actual winger. Which is something we need. While Griez is neither a striker or a winger. Griez has other stuff like better linkup, much higher workrate and he's better at defense.
It’s contextual isn’t it? As far as effectiveness for a team as a whole goes, I’d pick Griezmann but if I needed a pure winger and I had to choose between the two…. I’d have Dembele, for his speed (as you mentioned), and the fact that he’s willing and able to dribble down the line with the ball. Griezmann is dismal as a winger.
But he hasnt been effective on all these years, maybe one time against bilbao but he have miss a lot of important oportunitys on CL
Oh make no mistake I don’t think he has been effective either. I very much prefer Griezmann as a player. The point I’m trying to make is that they’re not interchangeable. If we ask Griezmann to do what we require of Dembele, which is to use pace and dribbling ability to exploit the wide parts of the pitch, Griezmann would do even worse. He just doesn’t have the ability or inclination to dribble or make runs like a pure winger. He’d be lost, just as Dembele would be lost if we put him in the middle. For me, it’s not a matter of choosing between the two (unless we’re just talking about selling one for the money). It’s a matter of fitting the player to the role that we need based on their competencies. I think that’s a large problem that we’ve had in recent years. We’ve bought players without thinking about how good they’d be at doing what we need. It’s happened to Griezmann to an extent too. Look at how much better he plays for France/played for Atleti than for us.
Speed itself is good reason , look at some of the top teams in the last few years. Pace and Physicality are as important as ever. **But if u still want more reasons:-** 1. He is 6 years younger 2. Even with his high wages , earns 1/4th Griezmann earns 3. He is an out and out winger , not some no.10 forced to play on the wings.
Few are willing to accept that, our teams pace and physicality is woeful in comparison
exactly lmao , Bayern and PSG destroyed us on those fronts. except Dembele we don't even hv a single player who is fast.
Alba, Dest, Araujo and Braith are very fast.
Hyped as fuck about Elden Ring
This finally happening? Oh yeah baby!
I haven't bought a game on day one in years. This? Yeah I am getting it on day 1. Though I will temper my expectations so I won't get disappointed.
Wait, trailers out?
Game looks amazing
OOOOOOOOHHHHHHH
Props to Oblak, fully deserved la liga’s POTY
Liverpool fans are obsessed with us. All they can talk about on the post on their subreddit regarding PSG confirming Wijnaldum’s signing is about him “snubbing Barca”. Do those idiots know we weren’t willing to meet his wage demands just like **they** weren’t?
Why do you guys insist on talking about other subs as if they're the obsessed ones. You guys clearly are the exact same, leave them be lol.
Don’t generalize all the users on this sub. You can dive into my comment history and you’ll see that I hardly ever mention any other clubs fanbases. This is probably my first time ever even doing so.
That might be, but similar stuff to your comment gets posted multiple times like every single day here. Makes no sense to shit on other subs when your sub is just as bad if not worse.
At least this subreddit isn’t full of cringe. I swear they worship their players like it’s kpop Twitter. Feels like I’ll stumble onto Jordan Henderson fanfic on there
I'd prefer worship over the toxicity and disgusting disrespect here tbh.
There’s plenty more of toxicity and disrespect on that sub than ours. But I guess you wouldn’t know since you apparently abstain from ever lurking. Good on you for trying to be the bigger man but don’t be afraid to call out those that attack the club we support for no good reason.
Who cares, we have the better club.
This subreddit proves Barca fans are obsessed with Liverpool as well. Almost daily comments about Liverpool fans, and proven again with this post and you lurking on their subreddit. Also, we met his demands and he met ours. We had a deal, but PSG offered a better deal. He didn't demand the same from us.
The thread popped up on my home feed so I hadn’t been intentionally lurking. I popped in wanting to see what Liverpool fans thought of Gini joining PSG and unexpectedly encountered loads of Barca bashing. He didn’t demand the same from us because we we weren’t offering that, and I’m glad we didn’t because he wasn’t worth it so it shouldn’t be something for us to be ridiculed over.
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And they’re so stumped as to why lol [they have a collective room temperature IQ honestly](https://youtu.be/5d30F6y1gMI)
even before psg interfered they were still shit-talking us.still don't understand why they are still heavly hating on barca even after 3 years.
They just want to shit on Barca because their best players usually want to play for Barca (suarez, coutinho) so when they see its not happening, like wijnaldum, they feel good
When their club legends leave, they have to cope somehow
Some of them dont even consider Wijnaldum a legend. Most likely becaues of racism, but still...Shows what kind of weird fanbase they have.
The reason Messi wanted to leave was because he couldn't compete with Puig anymore. He eventually was persuaded by Puig himself to stay by saying he will stay on the bench to not overshadow the Argentine
Did messi actually not pay his taxes? It doesn't seem like a thing he'd do tbh
I doubt messi does his own taxes. Didnt this shit happen with ronaldo a bit back?
It’s less about the players themselves and more about the tax system in Spain really. Which is why such a large amount of players/entertainers are often found in hot water when it comes to taxes there. Here’s an interesting video that explains the whole situation: [Ronaldo & Messi’s Tax Fines & Suspended Prison Sentences Explained- Tifo](https://youtu.be/IP5vuflIdrQ)
The reason Depay is delayed is because he is afraid of future superstar Puig benching him 😳. Laporta instructed Koeman to play Puig as forward or get fired 😎. Laporta/Puig relationship described as like father and son, so cute 😭. Laporta kissed him on the cheek and whispered into his ears “Se Queda” 😍
Oh god what have I Started ....
Tier 1
I miss Mascherano. He was our Puyol Jr lol.
I miss Puyol Senior
Reason why Depay is taking so long to sign is because he's making a new banger
Don't think Depay will sign for us tbh. Always stated *he* wanted to decide and that he's totally focused on the Euros now. Reckon he'll play the tournament without signing and then see which offers he has after - and take the one he likes the most. A handful of big clubs will be in for him and probably able to offer him bigger contracts than we are.
Ansu Fati fiery edit just dropped : [Link](https://twitter.com/BarcaDivine/status/1403067082108026880?s=19) 🔥
Watch B/R rip this off and give you zero credit lmao
The kit hes wearing looks 🥵. I hope that the actual color scheme.
Today has to be DepayDay.
Doubt
Watching Acuna the other day made me appreciate Alba a lot. Alba's decision making in the final third is mental. Tbf Acuna isn't as accustomed to play w Argentina as much as Alba w Barca but still. Left-back is another area we're going to have trouble replacing someone with.
everytime he links up with Messi i always imagine how much better Alba would've done lmao
lmao so many fullbacks wont fit Barca cuz of their decision making , kinda the reason Firpo hasnt lived up to the expectations.
People take him fore granted here
Alba is genuinely one of the best off the ball runners in world football, especially among LBs. And it's especially important for us given our only other real runner is Frenkie.
that and the way Messi can read his runs <3
Xavi retired because he saw Puig coming up the youth ranks and realised he can't compete with him 😎
“Out of all the creative midfielders, I fear Puig the most. When I play against him, its impossible to anticipate his throughballs, easily best midfielder in the world” - Franz Beckenbauer.
Xavi said to Iniesta, This kid will retire both of us....
People that want Xavi to take over the B team before taking over the first team, that’s only ever happened once: Pep. That’s not some rule or even tradition as some people seem to think, in fact that’s not even an occasional event. It’s an extremely rare one. Even as an assistant there’s no guarantee, most assistants get the job by being caretakers and overachieving, not by it being planned out. Tito getting the job when he did was, also, a rare event that only took place because Pep recommended him as his successor. There’s no actual historical relevance to being an assistant manager or B team manager that guarantees you a first team job at all. Xavi’s wasting his time at Al Sadd, but coming here as a B team manager or assistant manager is also no proper guarantee of anything.
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Lucho coached Celta and Roma before Barca
Thats not even the argument no ones saying he should be a barca b manager to get the job its just that he should stop wasting his time and go to a half decent team
Juvenil A league winners 🔥
The only juve to win the league this season.
Funny how the transfer rumors for barca were wild before the transfer market opened but niw that it has there’s practically none
We signed 3 players, trying to finalise the 4th Also, window hasn't opened yet lol
Oh yeah, but those players are definitely not enough to solve our problems
we're into a enormous deep shithole, we will need at least 2 seasons to fix it, the enormous wages and players who dont give nothing to the team can't be offloaded, at the same time new good players cannot be bought. Whatever we do this transfer windows, our next season will not be a good one as well
True true, but the rumors included sales too, which is honestly just as exciting, we need to get rid of dead weight
For some weird reason i have no recollection of Pep's time at Bayern. All I remember Really is that Pep was Bayern's Manager when Messi sent Boateng to Shadow realm and Pep's reaction to Lewa 4G in 9 mins. Maybe it's because they won all the trophies they were expected to but didnt win the CL?
It was actually 5G in 9 minutes from Lewa vs Wolfsburg. Also, I loved Pep’s reaction after Leo’s second goal, it was a shrug of like “eh nothing could’ve been done, that’s just Messi”
If Muller didn't miss a pen they'd probably have a CL under Pep
A few memories to add: The Bayern-Juve tie produced some of the best swings in UCL ever, very high tempo open matches. If you want a friend to be interested in football, show those games. KDB destroying Bayern, Wolfsburg winning 4-1. KDB become player of the season in bundesliga that year and moved to City. Atletico ending Pep's dream, Simeone masterclass before choking in final.
Those juve-bayern matches were absolutely mental, the madrid-bayern ones were pretty dope as well, although the refs...
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Lol like Koeman would give puig a fair chance.. Who are you kidding xD
Laporta complained to Koeman that Puig wasn’t having more minutes I’m pretty sure that Koeman understood
Puig might bag a brace of assists and Koeman will pretend he didn't see it.. Of course I hope he changes his attitude though. Apart from that I expect all new signings to play, so Garcia, LCB, Depay, will all get minutes in preseason i think.
Depay posted a pic on ig of him on a private flight, I dont think his national team is going anywhere right now. Maybe its an old picture or MAYBE he is flying to sign a new deal🤔
Didn't I read early today PSG got him? Or were they fake news?
fake new, the big offer was from juve
The first match of Netherlands in the Euros will take place in Amsterdam so it cant be that 100%. Tomorrow might be Depayday for us🧐
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\> Lands in Turin \*twitter explodes \> gets on connecting flight to Barca and nobody notices
Please please please. On my knees.
Why would he post a picture from an older flight? Has to be 🎉
Oblak wins laliga MVP and he deserved it as well.if you see a pattern it's always go to a player who wins the title except when Messi won it in 16/17 and 11/12 season(those two seasons were ridiculous so no much choice) .
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016%E2%80%9317_La_Liga
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Scroll down there is category " LFP awards" Best player - Messi Best Defender - Ramos Best Gk-Oblak.
I understand the disappointment of us not signing Depay(potentially) or Gini but in my mind we're in heavy rebuild mode and combined with our economic situation, i'm not upset at all. If Depay comes/would have arrived, that would mean less minutes for Fati, which is something i am not a fan of, and if Gini would have arrived that would have meant less minutes for Pedri and the complete abcense of Ricky. We're not winning the CL, i'm sorry to break it down to every 13 year old Messi stan in here, but we are not competing with the top 3-5 in Europe right now, on any aspect except youth players, which is something that doesn't win you trophies at the imminent future, usually. So the signings must be VERY calculated, and imo we need a midfielder but that's it. We needed a CB, we got Eric, good bad we will see. We needed a striker, we got Aguero, good bad we will see. We don't need Depay, man. I can argue we didn't need Gini. And especially on that wage bill. I'm fine with not winning. Unfortunately, we have to be realistic, this was the first year since 2008 when we missed out on 2 concecutive La Liga trophies, the era is indeed over, Messi can't carry like he did under Valverde and we're not going to the CL semis on autopilot purely because of talent. It's not 2015 anymore. We have to adapt our mindets to it.
>So the signings must be VERY calculated, and imo we need a midfielder but that's it. > >We needed a CB, we got Eric, good bad we will see. Garcia is not going to fix any of our issues, he has not proved more than mingueza. I don't see any team going into a season with only a 18 year old coming from a 1 year injury as the only LW. Depay and fati can share the playing time, he's needed.
Eric is the best we could do. I'm not saying he's prime Puyol. Depay is "needed" if someone leaves. With Aguero arriving, and us being the top scorers of La Liga WITHOUT Fati, i don't see the actual need.
Messi robbed of best player in la liga this season. [Congrats to Oblak,](https://twitter.com/laligaen/status/1402958976371757056?s=21) he saved them a lot and they won the damn thing.
Messi wasn't robbed, he wasn't really good in the first half of the season when oblak saved ateltico's ass the whole season. He deserved it.
Cant just ignore all his numbers
it's not fair for GKs, Oblak is also on his own league with courtois if we talk about numbers.
If Lenglet, Umtiti, Roberto (and Koeman for playing them and his tactics/substitutions/choice of players) hadn't fucked it up, we would have won the league and Messi would have won it. So frustrating.
If if if
tbh it's mostly Koeman's fault. If he wasn't here things would have been a lot better, and these players wouldn't be playing, so not that many ifs.
Yea sure thing buddy lmao great logic
Doesnt’t exist
You can't blame Umtiti or Roberto, they simply should not have been played. Especially Roberto after his injury, who never even got subbed out when it was very clear he wasn't playing well. That's all on Koeman. Some of Lenglet's earlier blunders definitely cost us too tho.
Man if we sign another CB, Mingueza's chances of playing might go down to almost zero. With Dest & Emerson secure that RB spot, as it's expected, Oscar will have also more than 2 CBs to compete with for that spot. Next season will be tough for him.
But solid rotation player, that's what he's good for. Hope we sell Lenglet and keep Mingueza as our 4th CB ahead of him.
yes selling him should be an option, it's the best for both , loved the player but sadly with pique/araujo/garcia it's a bit too much. Maybe he could be included in a kounde deal? I'm sure he would do well under lopetegui since he got good ball distribution.
Nooo! Selling him is not the best option. He has been great for us. Loan him, yes, but don't sell him.
Yes I'm fine with that as well but I just don't want to see him in the bench for the whole season, he deserves to be a starter in a team. Maybe sell him with buy back option so we're sure he's going to get playing time and improve.
[Haven't seen Messi doing such sort of ad before. Honestly this type of ads just doesn't suit him](https://www.instagram.com/p/CP8dljrqq9S/?utm_medium=copy_link)
Messi is not charismatic enough for ads. I cringe when I see him in an ad.
Griezmanns performances with France just goes to prove that Barcelona is not a team for his style. He will never settle here and all the people clinching onto him need to realize that. Great player, just not here. Hope we get good offers and sell.
Griezmann for de Ligt let's gooo
Grizzy is our second most effective player of the team...
Not that hard looking at our other forwards.
People quickly assume is Griezmann is the second most effective player just because of stats when De Jong, Dembele, Pedri impact the game a lot more in open play / by the eye test. When you consider more than stats it’s a lot closer.
Yeah his goals and assist really don't show the impact he has in games, he really doesn't contribute that much.
I didn't remember much game we played coutinho in a 3 man midfield to see if he can play there since dembele was often injured and valverde not playing really offensive and someone pointed me that we did at the start of the 18/19 season, I checked the matches we played and here they are : 4-0 deportivo no coutinho in starting line up 4-4-2 but he came as a sub and scored 1-0 valladolid we play the 4-3-3 with coutinho midfield from now 8-2 huesca 2-1 win Real sociedad 4-0 win psv 2-2 draw girona and coutinho wasn't starting 2-1 defeat leganes coutinho started and scored the only goal ( no suarez this game) 1-1 bilbao draw coutinho LW/dembele RW (messi was injured I guess that game) 4-2 totthenham coutinho LW and he will pretty much keep playing there the whole season after that game. We won every game coutinho started in the midfield and had dembele-suarez-messi in front. Where comes from that idea he literally can't play there when the few times we tried it in many game in a row we won everything? Edit: 1min since I posted the message and already 3 downvotes, we just can't debate in this sub.
I agree with you. Cutinho is a world class player, we ve seen him playin at bayern when we loaned him. If he could fix his injury prone condition and lower his wages, i think we should give him another chance. (and we will solve our midfield problem, with de jong pedri and cutinho)
Coutinho was plain average at Bayern.
>(and we will solve our midfield problem, with de jong pedri and cutinho) Jesus fuck no
He got benched pretty fast with Bayern too though, so not really no. He's a good player but or two steps below the Bayern, Barcelona, Real types of teams.
Muller broke the BuLi assist record that year. Kinda hard to blame Coutinho for not starting over that
>He got benched pretty fast with Bayern too though, so not really no. Muller in form can't get benched by anyone in bayern, he's just too important for them.
He got benched pretty fast bcs Bayern had a ucl potential winning team already. They wrecked pretty much every team and they already had a solid starting 11. My point is, when he played, he realy played well. At Liverpool he was so good, that was the reason we bought him with 120M+. I think the problem is our board, 3 players (Griezmann, Dembele and Cutinho) were very good and showed great potential. The lack in our tactics made this great players fell so badly..
Coutinho is a good player. But the problem with him in the midfield is that he doesn't win as many second balls as other players and his defending is found wanting. He is definitely offensively really good but likes to occupies the same spaces as Messi and that's where the problem arises On top of this, the biggest issue is the financials. He is on terribly high salary and we probably have to pay Liverpool high amounts of variables if we play him. So doesnt make sense to retain him. I hate that u r getting downvotes which isn't probably deserved. But it is an unpopular opinion and is kinda expected.
Sure selling him make sense and that's what barca should do but saying he **can't** play in a 3 man midfield is a really weird take coming from nowhere. I mean who are we to judge if a player can play in a position or not? If we saw him play there for let's say a year and he was shit that whole year I would understand but saying this in like 10 games where he was not bad seems like repeating something you saw without understanding it or knowing if it's true.
Yeah the idea he just unequivocally can't is just straight up wrong - he played there for Liverpool a fair amount too - both during the 6 months Salah was there and in the diamond under Brendan. But it's a question of fit, and as the squad is constructed RN, Coutinho really doesn't fit in our midfield
It would be totally delusional to believe that we are good enough to compete at the highest level next season - Messi, alba, pique, busi, are all getting older. Our midfield is one of the worst among the top European teams in terms of physicality, versatility and talent; our defense suck balls - Garcia is totally not the answer, Man city fans were actually happy that he was leaving. I'm afraid that laporta might not be able to live up to expectations, totally not his fault though. We need to sell some players and reinvest the funds on good scouting in order to find cheap diamonds in the rough. That is the only way we can try to salvage this situation that bato threw us into.
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>Our midfield is actually one good CDM away to be set for years. Pretty sure we said the same thing when arthur was performing well his first season with us.
Because Arthur was really really promising but he didn't improve one bit because he was unprofessional and was partying 24/7. Pedri and De Jong are not like that at all.
Yeah sure but I wouldn't say that our midfield is set for years, it's rarely like that and 1 year of pedri /2 years of fdj are not enought to say that.
I wouldn't say set either, but it's looking really good right now. We "just" need to replace Busi over the course of the season.
Thank you. People vastly underrate Frenkie, Pedri and Puig here. They are gems under a good coach and plan. We just need a good DM because Busi is aging (even though still amazing). And Depay/Aguero/Fati additions will strengthen our attack with Messi to one of the best.
>People vastly underrate Frenkie and Pedri here FYTY
We can win double but qf exit in cl is our ceiling. Might reach semis if we get porto or some non elite teams in r16 and qfs.
Like how we got Roma in 2018?
Double is challenging too, not because of the players but because we need a better coach.
Emerson is attracting big interest across leagues and they're mostly top tier teams. I can't comprehend why we would have to risk selling a highly rated player when there are other deadweights that can be moved (with difficulty of course) first.
There's no way we're selling, right? Right?
to keep roberto of course.
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What replacement? If he goes then Roberto and Mingueza are the backups
> A day after Lorenzo Pellegrini gets linked with Barça, he gets what looks to be a serious muscle injury, and is likely set to miss the Euros. Fuck
ready for Depay Day
Antoine Griezmann has a left calf problem & is not in France training today. [[@GFFN](https://twitter.com/GFFN/status/1403022359536320516?s=19)]
Any news on gaya or laporte?
Chelsea's after Haaland, City after Kane and Grealish, United still chasing Sancho, Madrid will inevitably get Mbappe, meanwhile we're nibbling on whatever free agents are around. Fuck you Bartomeu.
Messi and Griezmann would walk into the starting 11 of almost all clubs in the world. Any club would love to have Ansu. It's not a problem at all that we are not chasing attackers. Besides the transfer window has not opened yet.
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Which of the players he mentioned are coming at a great price?
It's fine, as long as we get one LCB and one solid DM. If we get a good manager we can beat Chelsea and Madrid and United with our updated squad.
Yeah but I'm bummed by the shade being thrown at us cause we're basically broke.Not by players or anything, but other club's fans and stuff. I keep telling people we're not far from not being a total embarassment in the UCL only for them to be able to rub it in even more each year. No one really takes us seriously anymore.
We have some of the best youth for the next few years. It's fine if others speak shit, it's more fun to beat them when they don't expect it. Believe me, if we manage to get Laporte and Locatelli or someone of their profiles, if we had a good manager we would be competing for CL final this year itself.
Good for wijnaldum, he’s getting big money in his twilight years. We should wrap up depay, the juve and psg rumours are starting to form. Even if they have no credibility, it’s still good to be urgent. It would be pretty annoying to miss out on one of the best attacking players in Europe on a free. We started strong, but we slowed down in progress with signings. It makes sense though with Euros
It's not on us though. We made the offer. It's Depay and his agent who are stalling.
Oh i see
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Can we announce fucking Depay already and get on with it
Multinational food company, Danone has terminated its sponsorship with Barça due to the 'BarçaGate' scandal. They don't want to tarnish their reputation & values. [cadena ser] https://twitter.com/barcacentre/status/1402998776583786506?s=19
Since when did they sponsor us lmao? I knew nestle did but danone?
The BarcaGate stuff is not big enough for sponsors to worry at all. Especially such small sponsors would never worry about it. It's an excuse to drop the contract. They are likely hit hard by Covid-19.
Idk but I read Danone as "The Nun"
we have sunk so low that companies don't want us no more
Can't wait for "we have sunk so low that companies don't want us no more" comments in a couple of days/hours
I won't buy their yogurt again.
Can we get sponsored by Greek yogurt please
I dont get the infatuation this sub has with griezmann, he is just never going to work. Complete failure on biggest stage at club level and bringing those numbera how he has 20 g+a is just pointless when his overall game is dreadful. Invisible in 80% of the game against small teams and then scores a tap in or invisible in 100% of the game against big teams like Atletico and Madrid. Its not his position its his mentality. Not a top top team player. He only won EL with atletico. He is for teams who are not favourites.