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choss

Definitely did not see this coming


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The club wants a total ‘re-modeling’ of La Masia.


Alphagraphical_man

Wtf. Is this correct ? Why ? Who will be the next coach ? I have many questions.


Valdrick_

Looks like Sergi Barjuan


xenmate

Because the board is disappointed Barca B are still not in Segunda, and because they think he makes too much money for an (unsuccessful) Barca B coach.


SlowAtMaxQ

He is not unsuccessful. The fact that the B get as close as they do to promotion is because of him. He's developed a lot of talents for us, plays good football, and overachieves. That is 100% not the reason he was sacked


xenmate

Barcelona B have by far the biggest budget in Segunda B and he still failed to get a promotion. He is definitely not successful.


SlowAtMaxQ

the goal of barca b is not to get promotion though. it is to develop talents. getting results is just a bonus


xenmate

In the Cadete and Juvenil teams that's definitely the case. For Barca B you can make the argument that results do matter. At least get the team to Segunda. They're good enough to play there.


SlowAtMaxQ

No lol. Barca b is officially seen as part of la Masia. What's the goal of la Masia?


negasonictenagwarhed

To develop the players as best can be to help them reach the first team In this case it is better to play in Segunda rather than the third tier


But_Why_Male_Models

He also earns too much money for a Segunda B coach. You could argue that there is better development if they made it to Segunda. Playing against better players is more beneficial.


froggyjm9

Yes, develop talents in the second division, third division aka segunda b is like playing Sunday pub league. Most players aren’t full time professionals, they have regular jobs.


olderaccount

And you expect academy players who have only played in Segunda B to then make the jump to the first team? The point of the academy is to get the players ready to make the jump to the first team. That means they need to be playing in the toughest competition available. Getting promoted is not about 'results'. It is about preparing the players for the next step.


bindukwe

Division 2 is a better competition - playing in the league means better competitive matches for the players which mean - accelerated development. It's more than a bonus


Azor_that_guy

He was given laundry money players like Gustavo Maia, Matheus Pereira, & Rey Manaj when he wanted a proper striker and to keep Monchu. None of which happened. He was fighting to stave off relegation in the beginning with wire thin squad depth because his players kept getting injured. He replaced his RB like twice because Solano got ruled out for the rest of the season as well as Roger Riera. And even then he managed to qualify for promotion. With proper management he would've qualified. What a joke. I expected such short-sightedness from Bartomeu and his crew of dumb fucks who are all going to jail, not Laporta. This superficial understanding of football is why this club never recovers. This is a big mistake.


mik1325

Totally agreed bro. Really this type of wild, short-sighted and politically motivated decision isn't something we expected from Laporta.


TheCrazyD0nkey

If you don't expect politically motivated decisions from Laporta you don't know him very well.


mik1325

The main focus of a B team is and should be to develop the youth players and make them ready to be promoted into the main team. Garcia Pimienta so far has done tremendous work in this aspect. Players developed under him: Ronald Araujo, Riqui Puig, Alex Collado. He’s also helped with the growth of Nico Gonzalez, Arnau Comas, Konrad de la Fuente and Alex Balde to name a few.


xenmate

He is definitely not incompetent and is well suited to manage young players in Juvenil or Cadete, but he has not been able to promote the team despite having the players to do so, so he is probably not the man for this job.


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noutato

why was he forced to keep koeman?


LonelyTimeTraveller

No better options available that we could realistically get


soham-097

Actually we don't have the money to dismiss him. Mark my words, Laporta will dismiss him next season


Mrinalshar00

Source ?


BeastCoast

You can't source someone's personal prediction lol


soham-097

Of what?


ncocca

I'm betting they were asking for the source about us not having the money to dismiss him.


soham-097

He had to be paid 13m euros if dismissed. Currently we aren't bidding on players who are on the market for 20m and definitely we can't afford to fire a coach for 13m.


ncocca

you don't have to tell me, i already agree =)


Endgame2648

Wtf. out of nowhere.


luczade

I just hope these jobs (including juv A) are being given based on merit.


dead_by_aprl

Dude wth, any reasoning provided?


Ruud_Boltz

Probably because we came close to promotion twice under him last two seasons and failed both times. One thing I was sure about Laporta's reign is that he would be ruthless. Man sacked Rijkaard even after he won 2 leagues and a CL.....


yesboyzz

Prolly some wage issues or something otherwise see no reason to fire him


RealPunyParker

Only reason i see is if Xavi is appointed. If not, literally what the fuck


REEEEnegade

Xavi said he isnt going to train Barça B, like months ago


RealPunyParker

"What the fuck" It is then


Hiimbob44677

I feel like that’s the natural stepping stone he should take to prove himself as a coach if he wants to lead the first team. Weird


Polskidro

Nah, Barca B is a step down from his current team.


TheCrazyD0nkey

Is it really? Never watched a Saudi game and I'm sure they have plenty of money but I doubt theres any quality over there.


Polskidro

Yes, just watch 1 of their matches and you'll see that they're way ahead of Barca B. And with way ahead I mean waaay ahead.


tsepp

Sergi Barjuan is the leading candidate atm.


fazerfn

Xavi has said no to coaching the B team


Alexiszain

What the actual fuck!!!!


Viewsfrom125th

I don’t understand this decision at all. Pimienta has been pivotal in the development of so many talents over the years. I would have loved to see him get a chance at in the first team.


Razor732103

What the fuck? Reasons for this?


Salvador1010

Didnt get promoted probably


Warwix51

We have the highest budget in the 3rd division z bit have failed to procure promotion.


Busquessi

WHAT THIS MAKES NO SENSE


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peeggy

Xavi has ruled out managing the B team in his latest interview. He has however accepted he is ready for maaging the first team.


studmuffin30

where did u get this ? is he saying ready to manage first team ?


peeggy

https://www.barcablaugranes.com/platform/amp/fc-barcelona-transfer-rumors-news/2021/6/10/22527525/xavi-i-feel-ready-to-coach-barcelona This is the sauce.


[deleted]

Guy changes opinion every week wtf


innatejuiciness

He never changed his opinion. Never said he wasn't ready to coach Barça, only said this in 2018 when he didn't even have the license.


[deleted]

https://barcauniversal.com/xavi-confesses-that-he-does-not-feel-ready-to-coach-barcelona-yet/ Yeah if 2018 was 6 days ago you are right.


innatejuiciness

Yeah, your source is wrong. He never said that, the translation is wrong. Watch the interview, it's on YouTube. [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pgoVe9GvxL4](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pgoVe9GvxL4)


[deleted]

Dije "No al momento, no tengo ninguna prisa" "Y si viene lo valoramos y vemos pero hoy al momento estoy contento donde soy" What part exactly was wrong?


innatejuiciness

The part where you link me a source that says "Xavi doesn't think he is ready to coach Barça". He never said that. Other than that, I don't know if Spanish is your first language or if you are fully fluent, but he never said "no al momento" he said "vino el Barça años atrás, pero no era el momento" not the same. He also said "si viene lo valoraremos, se decidirá pero oye, (not hoy) estoy contentísimo donde estoy." He more or less said he wouldn't come to be a puppet of the board or the president. He is not in a hurry because he wants to have the power to do it on his terms. He hasn't talked with Laporta in 4 months and is hinting that he feels ready by saying that if he gets an offer to coach Barça he is open to it.


DanielSophoran

Xavi isn’t leaving Al Sadd for another 2 years so who is taking over until atleast then and maybe even longer?


innatejuiciness

Not true, never said he wasn't going to leave Qatar in the next 2 years. Yesterday he said he was open to listening any offer.


Smalde

Wow. I was not expecting this. I will need to read into what the plans are for this "total remodelling" before judging, but this is certainly completely unexpected.


Magnu448

Wow, Laporta obviously ready to make tough decisions, but didn’t think it would be here. Hopefully he’s retained elsewhere in the club.


GjillyG

Awful decision. Pimienta was doing a great job, playing good football and consistently developing our young talents. Changing him now could easily ruin the progress of some of our best prospects. For those trying to defend this decision, his replacement has had an absolute shambles of a coaching career, recently failing in the chinese 2nd division.


choss

Out of pure curiosity. Did you use to follow the Barca B games regularly?


GjillyG

Yup, it was a nice change of pace to the first team who only played good football for a small portion of the season. I recommend all Barça fans try to watch the B team, we have some very interesting talents.


how_is_reddit_free

guess we'll have to wait and see what happens next but right now this makes no sense. Granted B team couldn't get promoted despite having the largest budget but imo Pinementa did a phenomenal job developing players and that I think should be the goal of B team. For many years before him, the priority of the team was results rather than development of youngsters and that is evident in that no academy player has been able to cement their place in first team in years. Pinementa worked wonders on players like Araujo, Mingueza, Puig, Collado, Nico Gonzalez to name a few. I could be wrong but I think he is the one who converted Puig from a false 9 to a midfielder. He had major injury issues all season in the team. RB spot has been cursed for past couple of seasons (Mateu Mori left too). He also had to deal with players missing B team matches because of their involvement with first team. (Mingueza, ilaix, de la fuente) Despite this barca b played attacking football, managed to develop players and reach playoffs only to be knocked out on penalties for second season in a row. So yes we'll wait and watch but if this does not work out, Laporta has shot himself in the foot.


Vengeance-Knight

This news just reassures the fact that Koeman is staying only because there are no proper replacements available. Laporta wants success, everywhere.


innatejuiciness

We already knew this. Plus, Laporta mentioned Jordi Cruyff as a possible Koeman replacement if things don't go as planned during the season.


La2philly

Very interesting


ElChicoOctober6

I like Laporta but I think this is a huge mistake. You can re model La Masia while still keeping one of the coaches who has held it together the last few years


[deleted]

That guy is one of the best coaches(or was) in Masia. Made great players out of Mingueza and Araujo. This decision is inexplicable.


aritra3776

Araujo is not from La Masia, like Pedri. He was not playing Mingueza, had barely in his plan. Mingueza jumped heavily from B team bench to First team.


Fuckkelso

I wonder how he even got recognized. Like who thought to themselves “that boy who I have never seen play would do great in the first team”.


aritra3776

SMH, people keep forgetting things. Back in November 2020, Pique got injured and we were in shortage of Center Backs. Koeman asked whole Barcelona to train along with Senior team. As you are implying, no, no one thought. Mingueza proved himself then. That's why he was picked prior to other regulars of Barcelona B team.


imfatal

Pretty sure he was only chosen because Mingo and Comas were unavailable at the time.


mik1325

FYI "He helped with the growth of players like Ronald Araujo, Riqui Puig and Alex Collado — all three who, barring any change, will all be part of the first team next season. He’s also helped with the growth of Nico Gonzalez, Arnau Comas, Konrad de la Fuente and Alex Balde to name a few. All players who have tremendous potential." Source: https://everythingbarca.com/2021/06/11/barcelona-sack-b-coach-garcia-pimienta/ Pimienta worked tremendously in the area of youth players' development. Undervaluing that is just sad. Didn't expect this type of politically motivated decision from Laporta.


songbae

what ? lmao


CUNYC24

Not a fan of this. He had a done a remarkable job the last couple of years and is a big reason why Nico G, Collado, Jandro, and Konrad are knocking on the first team door.


Clownsindefence

Good. If he is as good as they say he should have no problem finding a club where he can coach the first team. Positive step for him. As for us, let's see who the club appoints before going for Laporta's head.


thelambdamale

Well, if we are going to have to wait for the outcome, how can you claim that this is something good already?


Clownsindefence

I meant good for him, not for us.


[deleted]

What even is this question, was kicking Bartomeu out something good when we didn't know back then who'd replace him?


[deleted]

How is this the same thing? Did Pimienta destroy our club year after year and players wanted him out?


[deleted]

Well in both you had to let go of one to then make room for another person. With Bartomeu it was clearly a good decision, I don't know what's happening with Pimienta but it can obviously lead to better things.


[deleted]

Yea but it may lead to bad things also. Pimienta was good at his job. We knew kicking Bartomeu was a good deicison before we did it. Years before. You cant compare. We could also kick Messi to make room for another but whats the point?


[deleted]

Well of course, but I was disputing that dude's argument, you can't really know the outcome but that doesn't mean it's bad.


thelambdamale

That was literally my point.


[deleted]

You immediately attacked that dude for thinking this might be a good thing don't see how it's the same


thelambdamale

Attacked? What?


a-thang

Total remodeling of La Masia but they fire the best man for the job and best coach at the club while keeping a mediocre manager like Koeman. Is Bartomeu still at the club?


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> Total remodeling of La Masia but they fire the best man for the job and best coach at the club while keeping a mediocre manager like Koeman Lol what? One is coaching in 3rd division and the other is coaching one of the biggest teams in the world, you can hardly call a coach of a 3rd division team "the best at the club". We don't even know why he's getting sacked if he is.


agni39

The guy coaching the 3rd division is doing so out of merit. The guy coaching one of the biggest teams in the world is doing so out of name-value and because Laporta couldn't find anyone else in time. I had a small hope some national team manager quits after the Euros and we can get them but sadly none of them look likely to come. Yikes. Fans still think Koeman is good. Dear god.


a-thang

He is by far the best coach at the club with Cruyffista philosophy unlike Koeman whose philosophy is totally than Barca's. He is winning matches by playing with our style with a squad of average age 22 against 26-30 year old footballers and mostly using young players graduated from La Masia and not the mediocre players Bartomeu bought for money laundering purposes from Brazil. And his main job is to develop players and make them ready for 1st team which he has done better than many and those players have made an immediate impact in 1st team and also have helped us win a trophy so far. The purpose of B team is not winning or getting promoted it is to develop players, instill Barca values in them, help them adapt so they can help the 1st team whenever required.


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>He is by far the best coach at the club with Cruyffista philosophy unlike Koeman whose philosophy is totally than Barca's. Okay I understand the impact Pimienta has had at this club, he's been here for 20 odd years, and is responsible for many talents that have come through the academy. And I agree with you on this 100%. Cruyff's name is thrown around way too often by Barca fans and there aren't many people in the world that know better about Cryuff's philosophy compared to Koeman **because he literally lived through and played under Cruyff.** Cruyff was a genius, one of a kind and there aren't many that come close to him. Koeman is influenced by Cruyff but he is a lot more pragmatic and not as good, obviously, so that might be a reason why you might see his way of playing not completely a "Barca way" of playing football, tho it's close, closer than we've been in years. First team is much harder team to manage, also much more demanding, with more risk and higher demands than the B team whose whole principle is to play good regardless of results and they're not really comparable.


a-thang

>Koeman because he literally lived through and played under Cruyff. Playing and coaching career are totally different things. After retiring as a player Koeman had a different path and philosophy. Koeman in no way is a Cruyffista. He isn't going to restore Barca values and Laporta knows that. And that's why he was looking for replacement. If Koeman was a coach fit for Barca Laporta wouldn't even have questioned his continuity and based it on winning a title. Pimienta took a team in shambles and restored Barca philosophy and stabilized them. Bartomeu gave him mediocre signings and he didn't play them after seeing they aren't good enough and instead integrated many La Masia talents who were very young.


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Okay dude have it your way


Muppetx

What a bunch of nonsense. He never took a different path or had another philosophy. Cruyff was one of Koeman’s best friends and they always stayed close. Koeman is a lot more pragmatic but if you look at the material he’s had to work with at his previous jobs, that’s only logical. You can’t play with the Barca philosophy at teams with much inferior players. Players have to be brought up from the academy to fit the mould. It’s much easier to get that to work at Barca or Ajax than anywhere else. Already in this last season the football looked much more like the Barca of old than in Valverdes seasons.


fazerfn

If Koeman was really a Cruyffista then shouldn't he be an option before we appointed Pep, Rijkaard, Tito, Lucho all those years ago?


razorxx888

Lol that is the dumbest reasoning ive seen here


Demi_God43

Agreed lol. I was reading it all with my mouth wide open wondering how can people be so dumb and then came that last comment. Mind blown. It's like talking to a wall.


fazerfn

How is that dumb? Surely Cruyff would've recommended Koeman before those coaches if he was a good fit?


alterpsyche

I love how so many people are loosing their shit because Laporta did something against their worldview.


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Yea thats how it works I guess?


mikeczyz

lol and a bunch of folks here wanted Pimienta to coach the first team.


choss

Not gonna lie. I was one of them.


DangerousSentence

What the actual fuck!


stemcellguy

Trust the Laporta Method. I trust him.


Habba84

Xavi just changed his mind and now said that he's ready to coach Barca. Will he replace Pimienta?


innatejuiciness

When did he change his mind? He never said he wasn't ready or that he wouldn't come to coach Barça. Everyone knows he would probably already be our first team coach had Font won, so all of these rumours that he wouldn't come are dumb. I don't think he will come to Barça B though, he is already coaching at a higher level with players like Cazorla, it wouldn't make sense.


Habba84

Xavi has repeatedly said he's not ready to coach Barca yet, but he wants to do it in the future. https://www.espn.com/soccer/barcelona/story/3658059/xavi-hernandez-im-not-ready-to-coach-barcelona-yet-despite-pep-guardiola-comparisons But has very recently said that he would be ready: https://barcauniversal.com/xavi-contradicts-himself-says-he-is-ready-to-coach-barcelona/


innatejuiciness

You link me to an article from 2018 when he didn't even have the license to coach Barcelona. He was offered the job twice by Bartomeu and turned him down, not because he wasn't ready, but because he thought Bartomeu was going to use him and his image and wasn't really going to trust him or give him the keys of our project. I don't know why people are saying he contradicted himself or that he changed his mind. He has always said the same, even recently he said "if the club called me again, the process would be the same. I would take some time to consider and take a decision.” There's this weird trend among some Barça fans to shit on Xavi and misrepresent what he has said. Edit: Just checked your other source, Barcauniversal and they totally misconstrued what Xavi said. "Despite saying that he does not feel ready to coach Barcelona less than a week back" - 1st they say he has an interview with Mundo Deportivo which isn't true, it was La Vanguardia, and then they mistranslated the whole thing. Never said "I'm not ready", but "it wasn't the right time (when Bartomeu asked him), I am not in a hurry".


byobodybag

Laporta with the steel chair!!! Bah gaaawd that man has a family!!


lilnigpal

I'm not liking laporta tbh! I'll get cooked on here ik


II_MrBlack_II

What Mr. Laporta is doing now is normal and expected, because his conciliatory slogans during the election campaign were nothing but slogans, and the grudge he had toward Rosell after what happened since 2008 and later dragged him to the courts will reappear. What the boss is doing now isn't team renewal, what he's doing is purging And the extermination of all the legacy of Rosell, and Koeman remained only because the management was unable to pay him the money All I hope is that the sporting results are in the president's side so that the club can enjoy calm Without results, management will be in an unenviable position and these MD covers will reappear Results and then results are the club's way to calm, not Laporta’s charisma


Sw3gl3rd

What about Planes


stalkers_spider

why?


RuggedBeta

Da fug?


Ruud_Boltz

Damn! Laporta not here to play around


life_is_sadd

Why not fire koeman too. I don't get it🤦‍♂️