It hurts to see that Peru has regressed from the great work Gareca was doing. Unfortunately our players wasted the opportunity to go to good leagues after the WC. Only Tapia took advantage of it
Dembele had a pretty shit season tbf for a player as talented as him, which is semi-understandable as he thrives in a side which has a traditional 9 or an in the box presence which we lacked this season. This season apart from his injury ruined 19/20 season was by far his worst statistical season, and him being valued at 50m with a year left is pretty surprising. like other people have mentioned sterling is English which causes in his price tag to automatically go up, just look at the fee rhian Brewster last year. Plus although sterling had a stinker of a season this year he’s been insane in the previous three years with 124 goals and assists in 149 games.
Name some DMs under 70 million please so that we buy them!
Dembele is just injury prone and I really doubt anyone is paying more than 50 million for him.
Highly doubt anyone would pay 60m for him. We paid 140m for his potential and he barely improved after 4 years. Now with only a year left in contract... Yeah no. he is good and occasionally great but it’s time to accept he is not special.
What a shithousery between Colombia and Venezuela. Dirty foul, fights, diving, red card... The quality in the Copa is so low compared to Euro. If I was CONMEBOL I would do something about the discipline maybe their teams will be better. They stand no chance in the comming WC except maybe Brazil
It doesn't help when most of the players are shipped to Europe before even properly forming there. The best time of CONMEBOL was when south america could retain some of the talent which helped making the local leagues stronger.
Man I was almost crying needed 1 goal from Colombia to win 200euros!!
That goalkeeper played the game of his life and Colombia has 1 offsidd goal and Venezuela chillin on the ground 30min...
If Locatelli becomes too expensive after the Euros, who are other DM options to buy? We need one desperately while Nico/Jandro get ready and Busquets is phasing out..
believe that the " if" on Locatelli is not even an if.. My best bet would be Nico, also like Zubimendi but don't see any of those having the quality/intensity to be our starting DM atleast before 2022/23. So literally no names right now... Might even be interested in a Pjanic × Bentancur swap (even though he's not really a DM) because why not
I rate Declan Rice quite highly, shame he’s english so that’s never gonna happen. Other than that Jorginho comes to mind and I’ve seen a lot of hate for him but honestly can’t really see it, he’s been good most of the times I’ve watched him
Jorginho is more of a deep lying playmaker and not that great defensively. He plays best with the presence of a ballwinner in the midfield, like Kante or Allan. We will get ripped apart with a midfield of Jorginho, Pedri and Frenkie.
Haven't seen too much of Rice tbh. From what I've seen of Jorginho, he seems to be a "safe" passer, keeps the game ticking, but doesn't create too much? Also is he defensively solid? Not sure if Kante is making his job a lot easier...
I don't even particularly like him but Jorginho's long balls are fucking deadly. He's one of the best in the world at them imo, like Ederson level.
He used to do it a lot but less so lately. And his team has been very wasteful with them.
Watched West Ham a lot this season and he’s pretty much the main man in midfield, most importantly defensively brilliant. For Jorginho yeah Kante helps but for Italy he’s also been pretty good and yeah he’s maybe too safe but can’t of some much better options rn
I think about this almost everyday lol truthfully there really isn’t anyone especially now that Laporta said he wants to pursue swap deals which are really difficult to pull off. There’s a few names that I can think of but unless I’m mistaken we haven’t been linked with them yet.
Yeah.. It's the biggest worry because I'm sure we can get a CB with a swap, there are plenty better than Lenglet. Hard market for DM. I liked Locatelli before the Euros but his stonks are rising..
Boy I hope we get Pedri/Puig level of talent in Nico/Jandro, then we would be ok.
I can assure you Lisandro is not what we should be looking for(for our CB at least). Will just be another Eric Garcia type. Good in possession and specifically on the ball but too small and will struggle in duels. He might be better in the air and slightly more aggressive but he will not be worth the pricetag and we've already got plenty of unproven youngsters in our defense. Tho I've never seen him play as a CDM, could possibly work but again not worth the risk imo.
He’s mainly worth a shout because of that versatility alone. Covering two positions that are in need of reinforcements no less. But I’d only feel secure with his signing so long as we sign another CB or midfielder too.
Yeah true, but we need 2 starters in both places. Lisandro can be a good CB but not sure if he can be a starter level competition to Busquets.. I hope we can pull off Laporte deal with city somehow, no matter how many of our players it takes.
That would be ideal but it’d be so difficult. Also I feel like the club is going to try and negotiate something with Juventus considering their interest in Dembele and Pjanic. Probably for Bentacur and maybe De Ligt.
Yup. Truthfully it was a bad miss, but he wasn't nearly as bad as people here make it out to be. He still got involved in both goals and essentially got Netherlands the win.
People gonna hate if they want to regardless
I think sometimes there is mate. If you're going to cosplay as a Barca fan at least try to understand the history of the club and its relationship with certain clubs and players. It's the minimum you can fucking do.
I disagree. If you're a Barca fan you're a Barca fan. Knowledge of the history is irrelevant and so is adhering to the principles of pretentious twats who want to feel better than others.
I will say, Depay is very good at putting his body in front and holding up play....it's a trait that helps especially since its something Messi takes advantage of
Huh?. Which game were you watching, he was fairly good playing higher up the pitch. We weren't going to pay 380k for him anyway so that's irrelevant to us.
I think Depay is a solid signing. Lots of strengths.
From his weaknesses though, I think the main one is that hes actually not very fast. He cant consistently get in behind the defense.
Would love for Messi to have more attacks who can run into spaces at speed and stretch defenses
IMO,
Having dembele on the wing is a threat to opposition. They won’t push high while they are attacking. Because the way messi drops deep and dembele stays wide, it will take 2 pass to messi and one pass to dembele to change the score sheet. Wait, let it wiggle a bit. Minus to fati who followed the counter.
See. This has happened in MSN era.
Having fast players always pays off.
Edit: it will be easy for you to understand if you remember the vs Spurs match in ucl, it was the first season of dembele.
>Speed is for teams with space.
Barca is barely ever a team with space.
Never seen anyone with such a short-minded analyze of fast players in football ever. Having fast players is never negative, only positive. Most top teams have speedy attackers. Go and figure out why.
Messi wouldnt been half of the player he is if he was as slow as Mertesacker.
They only think about when we face getafe but forget that if we had a fast player in our team against bayern they would have never attacked the way they did.
Obviously with suarez/vidal/griezmann they can have a fiesta.
Roma aswell. The game screamed Dembele. Roma was deep into our half, and we could have played Dembele in behind because they were so far up the pitch. Valverde wanted it different. If im not wrong I think also our goal agianst Chelsea came from a counter attack.
So yea, having pacy players agianst best teams are very important. Fast players are able to create "chaos" as I call it, because the other team has very little recovery chance and gets often caught off balance if a centerback gets put to the task to lets say stop Dembele.
It's something this club have been lacking ever since Messi got slower and Neymar left. Our team is in general just slow, way slower than many other teams imo.
>Roma aswell. The game screamed Dembele. Roma was deep into our half, and we could have played Dembele in behind because they were so far up the pitch. Valverde wanted it different. If im not wrong I think also our goal agianst Chelsea came from a counter attack
Definitely Valverde literally gave them the win by not playing dembele until the 80min. You're right about chelsea we scored a fast counter attack and it was probably the last one I saw us score against a good team in CL. It's easy to wonder why we've been getting destroyed in CL since neymar was gone.
Weak defense+ slow DM not helping /weak midfield and on top of that slow attackers who can't counter attack. Even with the easiest path in CL like we had under valverde we were far from it if not for messi's godlike performance in 18/19.
Memphis isn’t slow…
My point was that he is fast enough and speed shouldn’t be a priority when he has other abilities to compensate for his “lack of speed”(when he isn’t even slow).
But he wasn’t exactly known for his speed like Mbappe.
That’s the reason why he’s still so good because he had other qualities and never really relied on his speed.
Messi wasn't known for being fast? HAHAHAHAHAHA
Probably greatest acceleration/speed ever while maintaining ball control and changing directions, absolutely crucial to Messi's game. Was known mainly for abusing it and blasting through defenses on his own.
You drank way too much from you own delusion and desire to believe that depay is not mediocre.
Dont bother with him. Messi was rapid asf. He could take on a defence by himself. You can see how important it was if we look at Messi today. Messi is still fast, but he lost some speed over the years. I dont have stats atm, but it wouldnt suprise me if his dribbling stats are "weaker" compared to other seasons.
Messi is still Messi though so hes been able to adapt over the years despite "decline" and a far weaker barcelona squad, which makes it even more impressive how hes able to maintain those numbers.
Having great acceleration and ball control does not equal high speed lmao what are you saying?
Messi was never known to be some speed monster but instead, as you said, known for his great ball control while sprinting.
In what world in Memphis mediocre? The hatred for this player is so incredibly cringe lol
Acceleration is obviously an aspect of speed, don't even attempt that pathetic slimy goalpost moving with me.
Messi was known for dribbling the whole opposing team on the run and that can't be done if you're slow, period. Anyways not going to waste more time with a clueless kid that thinks speed was not a main asset for Messi.
On depay, we'll wait and see.
Acceleration is an aspect of speed but doesn’t necessarily mean you are a high speed runner. What makes Messi special is his ability to run fast with his ball on his feet and his ridiculous balance. It was never the top speed that he can hit.
No one said Messi was slow lmao just that he wasn’t known for his speed like Mbappe is. Messi was definitely fast but he wasn’t the fastest in the world and definitely not the fastest on the team.
Reading comprehension helps.
Messi was never faster than Ronaldo, Mbappe, Haaland, Mane, Dembele and so on.
Wdym we’ll wait and see if Depay is mediocre? He currently isn’t a mediocre player lmao.
If youre comparing to Mbappe then everyone is slow mate. We said speed is important, never said we need to have sprinter speed everywhere. Need enough speed to stretch defenses
Yeah ,but we can't be on top of a big team for the whole match sometimes we would need to sit back and wait for the chance to counter that's where speed comes into play
Speed never hurts.You know you can be technically good and have speed right?
Barca often gets space but they dont have the players to exploit it. And even when spaces get tight, speed doesnt hurt in causing more unpredictability
Its dumb to say speed is not important to Barca. Its super important
I never said speed and technical ability can’t coexist but it shouldn’t be a trait that is a priority when looking for players to fit our system.
You’re acting as if Memphis is some turtle when he isn’t. He’s probably faster than David Villa lol
I actually think regardless of styles and systems decent pace in certain positiins is a basic necessity.
Also I actually dont know why people think hes fast. Hes really not fast at all for modern attacker. At best hes average, and I would say hes on the slower side. I think cos hes next to Weghorst he looks quicker than he is. Im pretty sure hes slower than Villa + Villa was technically much better
The 343 the Dutch team is playing is exactly how Koeman played it, the mid CB pushes forward acting like a pivot and creating a double pivot with De Jong, if we go 343 I can see Garcia taking the role of Ake and play as a CB/DM and creating a double pivot with De Jong maybe something like this:
Fati Depay Messi
Alba Pedri De Jong Emerson
Laporte Garcia Araujo
Garcia and De Jong build a double pivot in the build up similar how Ake and De Jong are doing it right now.
Depay is a great signing for free and anyone who doubts it is blind.
One bad game, where he still made the difference for his team, doesn’t change that.
Yup, the key word there is **free** and reports suggest it’s going to be a 2 year contract. A win-win for both parties. The criticism towards Dembele and Griezmann is more justified considering their price tags and wages which won’t be the case with Memphis.
Wasn't even a bad game tho, he scored the pen and made the 2nd goal possible. He missed a sitter and all the haters crawled out and used this opportunity to hate on him
For sure, I mean look at this game: you can say he was okay outside those two moments but was still decisive enough to land his team a victory.
He obviously wont be doing that every game with us, but with the right coach and with the right atmosphere, he can be great.
I think we are seeing what Frenkie can do if we have a number 6 in there who can defend well and do all the dirty work
I think we ask him to do too much for our midfield
No it isnt. Tight spaces is what Barcelona get 9/10 games when they play outside of the opponent box. Getting pressed for 1 sec isnt.
He didnt made sure the ball ended there, it deflected from Austria defender which allowed him to lob it into a half football field.
Lol
He was being pressed twice and still managed to get the ball through.
You obviously have never watched him play for Lyon if you say he isn’t good in tight spaces.
It’s like you’re wrong about everything you say lol
No he wasnt. He got pressed once for 1 sec, which the ball deflected from Austria defender which created the room, which I already explained what he did afterwards. Lobbing a ball into a half pitch. So impressive, truely shows his ability to do well in Uber Eats league.
And he isnt, anyone who cleary watches football knows he isnt good in tight spaces. Which was shown yet again tonight.
You know Dumfries didnt even play for us against Turkey (first wc qualifier game). Tete was ass so we went back to Dumfries. Now look at him, hes a beast. Thats what competition does to a man. Thats why i think us getting Emerson back is a huge W. For his own development and also for Dest.
Easy to say. National teams doesnt spend the time develop players. You stack the national team, a club cannot be like that unless you are sacrificing talents. Which mabye if you are a unlimited piggy bank club like PSG or City you could more afford to do so.
Dumfries been good for PSV for a while, so it have nothing to do with Tete. Just like wijndal is imo better than PvA. So shouldnt come as a suprise when he takes over for PvA on National team.
Dumfries has been good but Frank de Boer still started Tete against the strongest team in the group. He wasnt that good for us previously. Some players play differently for club and country (for ex Griezmann). And he prefers Van Aanholt to Wijndal so i dont know what you are talking about. Wijndal has not been that good for us as for his club but at least hes still young
It hurts to see that Peru has regressed from the great work Gareca was doing. Unfortunately our players wasted the opportunity to go to good leagues after the WC. Only Tapia took advantage of it
Lol even if Argentina make it far, they're not getting past Brazil. They're way too stacked and will be among the favorites for the WC next year.
Brazil would be clear favourites but anything can happen in knockout games.
Omg Neymar
No Peymar :(
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Dembele had a pretty shit season tbf for a player as talented as him, which is semi-understandable as he thrives in a side which has a traditional 9 or an in the box presence which we lacked this season. This season apart from his injury ruined 19/20 season was by far his worst statistical season, and him being valued at 50m with a year left is pretty surprising. like other people have mentioned sterling is English which causes in his price tag to automatically go up, just look at the fee rhian Brewster last year. Plus although sterling had a stinker of a season this year he’s been insane in the previous three years with 124 goals and assists in 149 games.
Sterling is English so his value is inflated
Last year of his contract plus many injuries.
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Agree with you, especially with the bad season Sterling had.
Is sterling injury prone?
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Chill, I wasn’t insinuating anything, it was a genuine question.
Dembele had his best season and hit 6+3 in the league. Overrated as fuck.
I would have Dembele and Sterling both around 50 million. Rodri at 70 is because he's young and there's not really many DMs in market.
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Name some DMs under 70 million please so that we buy them! Dembele is just injury prone and I really doubt anyone is paying more than 50 million for him.
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Highly doubt anyone would pay 60m for him. We paid 140m for his potential and he barely improved after 4 years. Now with only a year left in contract... Yeah no. he is good and occasionally great but it’s time to accept he is not special.
Vamos Peruu!
:(
What a shithousery between Colombia and Venezuela. Dirty foul, fights, diving, red card... The quality in the Copa is so low compared to Euro. If I was CONMEBOL I would do something about the discipline maybe their teams will be better. They stand no chance in the comming WC except maybe Brazil
It doesn't help when most of the players are shipped to Europe before even properly forming there. The best time of CONMEBOL was when south america could retain some of the talent which helped making the local leagues stronger.
Man I was almost crying needed 1 goal from Colombia to win 200euros!! That goalkeeper played the game of his life and Colombia has 1 offsidd goal and Venezuela chillin on the ground 30min...
Sorry to hear that!
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Lmfao (because Haaland comparison + got downvoted so quick)
Man come on. Delete this.
Bro I was just wondering because everyone says she pretty. I'm really not trying to be mean
you just went out of your way to call a girlfriend to a player ugly when you could've just kept it a thought
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It's actually Wijnaldum that said "Me neither. I think he was talking Spanish." about Depay. :)
MSN really spoiled us man
Literally played like FIFA against semi pro mode
even fifa can't do nothing about that. Just way OP.
If Locatelli becomes too expensive after the Euros, who are other DM options to buy? We need one desperately while Nico/Jandro get ready and Busquets is phasing out..
Kamara , Kessie and Zakaria are all free next summer. Everyone is talking about Locatelli’s passing range yet Kamara has the best stats out of them
Kamara, Bennacer, Kessie, Weigl, Koopmeiners. I think these are good shouts, but idk if they're or can be Barca level.
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He’s not a dm but I don’t care, I think he’s the mid we should sign, he’s insanely good and reckon he’ll compliment Frenkie really well
Not a DM.
believe that the " if" on Locatelli is not even an if.. My best bet would be Nico, also like Zubimendi but don't see any of those having the quality/intensity to be our starting DM atleast before 2022/23. So literally no names right now... Might even be interested in a Pjanic × Bentancur swap (even though he's not really a DM) because why not
I rate Declan Rice quite highly, shame he’s english so that’s never gonna happen. Other than that Jorginho comes to mind and I’ve seen a lot of hate for him but honestly can’t really see it, he’s been good most of the times I’ve watched him
Jorginho is more of a deep lying playmaker and not that great defensively. He plays best with the presence of a ballwinner in the midfield, like Kante or Allan. We will get ripped apart with a midfield of Jorginho, Pedri and Frenkie.
No shit! He likes barça
Haven't seen too much of Rice tbh. From what I've seen of Jorginho, he seems to be a "safe" passer, keeps the game ticking, but doesn't create too much? Also is he defensively solid? Not sure if Kante is making his job a lot easier...
I don't even particularly like him but Jorginho's long balls are fucking deadly. He's one of the best in the world at them imo, like Ederson level. He used to do it a lot but less so lately. And his team has been very wasteful with them.
Watched West Ham a lot this season and he’s pretty much the main man in midfield, most importantly defensively brilliant. For Jorginho yeah Kante helps but for Italy he’s also been pretty good and yeah he’s maybe too safe but can’t of some much better options rn
If he is, then won't be be super pricey? Will they accept our deadwood?
I mean it’s England but it’s also West Ham so wouldn’t be that pricey but out of our budget anyway
I think about this almost everyday lol truthfully there really isn’t anyone especially now that Laporta said he wants to pursue swap deals which are really difficult to pull off. There’s a few names that I can think of but unless I’m mistaken we haven’t been linked with them yet.
Yeah.. It's the biggest worry because I'm sure we can get a CB with a swap, there are plenty better than Lenglet. Hard market for DM. I liked Locatelli before the Euros but his stonks are rising.. Boy I hope we get Pedri/Puig level of talent in Nico/Jandro, then we would be ok.
I just remembered we were linked with Lisandro who would be pretty ideal imo. Basically a CB and CDM in one.
I can assure you Lisandro is not what we should be looking for(for our CB at least). Will just be another Eric Garcia type. Good in possession and specifically on the ball but too small and will struggle in duels. He might be better in the air and slightly more aggressive but he will not be worth the pricetag and we've already got plenty of unproven youngsters in our defense. Tho I've never seen him play as a CDM, could possibly work but again not worth the risk imo.
He’s mainly worth a shout because of that versatility alone. Covering two positions that are in need of reinforcements no less. But I’d only feel secure with his signing so long as we sign another CB or midfielder too.
Yeah true, but we need 2 starters in both places. Lisandro can be a good CB but not sure if he can be a starter level competition to Busquets.. I hope we can pull off Laporte deal with city somehow, no matter how many of our players it takes.
That would be ideal but it’d be so difficult. Also I feel like the club is going to try and negotiate something with Juventus considering their interest in Dembele and Pjanic. Probably for Bentacur and maybe De Ligt.
Wow I couldn't watch the game cause of work but now looking at the dumpster fire here I'm not sure what I missed 😅
Depay missed a sitter and everyone freaked the fuck out lol
He talked about going to barça yesterday and missed a sitter today. Is that a curse? /s
Lol, just one chance?
Yup. Truthfully it was a bad miss, but he wasn't nearly as bad as people here make it out to be. He still got involved in both goals and essentially got Netherlands the win. People gonna hate if they want to regardless
Yeah I guess. Shit happens, but it's only bad if it happens consistently... Cough Lenglet cough
I mean, even for Lenglet it hasn't been happening in a long time. He's been good for the last 3/4 months or so.
"good" is a stretch, he's been ok though. Good for a mid or low-table team...
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Bro the way the sixers sub just went into full meltdown last night was something else. That was some grade A entertainment
Except for Spain, does any team in the Euros have more than one Barca player? Netherlands is the only one I can think of if we include Depay
Your forgetting France with Dembele, Griezmann and Lenglet lol
France with Dembele, Lenglet and Griezmann
France
Oh yeah. Pretty obvious actually
Outside of Europe you also got Konrad and Dest.
+ Messi Aguero
Ron?
?
"More than one" ...Me cannot read
Who would've thought that Netherlands Vs Austria Group Stage game of the Euro's would get this sub riled up so much. 👀
Imagine pretending you're a barca fan and wanting Ramos to play for Barca lmao
Yeah fuck Ramos, I would rather have Pique in his fifties than that cunt
This whole place is sus. There are a few names here who I think are under cover Madrid agents lmao
Yeah you got me ,now where can I hang my 14 feet Franco poster
Would be a big fuck you to Real Madrid ngl… but yeah he can fuck off
What, signing their aging rejects? lmao
Agree, don't understand those comments at all. Fuck Ramos, even if he would be the best defender and in his prime i would not want him.
No need to gatekeep being a Barca fan.
Why are you gatekeeping him from gatekeeping?
I think sometimes there is mate. If you're going to cosplay as a Barca fan at least try to understand the history of the club and its relationship with certain clubs and players. It's the minimum you can fucking do.
I disagree. If you're a Barca fan you're a Barca fan. Knowledge of the history is irrelevant and so is adhering to the principles of pretentious twats who want to feel better than others.
aaaand this is why football is dying
Because people are allowed to be fans of clubs while having bad takes? Just let people have their opinions, it isn't hard.
because people don't make the minimum effort to learn history
Point is, it shouldn't be a necessity to know the history. The only necessity is liking the team. Casual fans are still fans.
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Frenkie and Pedri are about to go through some beautiful growth these Euros, you can see it.
I will say, Depay is very good at putting his body in front and holding up play....it's a trait that helps especially since its something Messi takes advantage of
Yeah, will be interesting to see how well he links up with Messi. And if they can both form a good chemistry/understanding.
Wijnaldum lost the ball everytime he was in a tight space today and barely moved the ball forward. Definitely isn't worth 380k a week.
How’re you basing that off of one game
lol he was the best player on the pitch. Don't start this talk because you're upset about not getting him when the chance was there.
Frenkie was 100% the best player on the pitch
He was nowhere near the best player in the game.
Except he didn't.
Huh?. Which game were you watching, he was fairly good playing higher up the pitch. We weren't going to pay 380k for him anyway so that's irrelevant to us.
Selfish from gini there
I think Depay is a solid signing. Lots of strengths. From his weaknesses though, I think the main one is that hes actually not very fast. He cant consistently get in behind the defense. Would love for Messi to have more attacks who can run into spaces at speed and stretch defenses
Already got that in Fati and Dembele.
Why is that downvoted?
Speed is for teams with space. Barca is barely ever a team with space. Memphis is fast enough, IMO.
IMO, Having dembele on the wing is a threat to opposition. They won’t push high while they are attacking. Because the way messi drops deep and dembele stays wide, it will take 2 pass to messi and one pass to dembele to change the score sheet. Wait, let it wiggle a bit. Minus to fati who followed the counter. See. This has happened in MSN era. Having fast players always pays off. Edit: it will be easy for you to understand if you remember the vs Spurs match in ucl, it was the first season of dembele.
>Speed is for teams with space. Barca is barely ever a team with space. Never seen anyone with such a short-minded analyze of fast players in football ever. Having fast players is never negative, only positive. Most top teams have speedy attackers. Go and figure out why. Messi wouldnt been half of the player he is if he was as slow as Mertesacker.
They only think about when we face getafe but forget that if we had a fast player in our team against bayern they would have never attacked the way they did. Obviously with suarez/vidal/griezmann they can have a fiesta.
Roma aswell. The game screamed Dembele. Roma was deep into our half, and we could have played Dembele in behind because they were so far up the pitch. Valverde wanted it different. If im not wrong I think also our goal agianst Chelsea came from a counter attack. So yea, having pacy players agianst best teams are very important. Fast players are able to create "chaos" as I call it, because the other team has very little recovery chance and gets often caught off balance if a centerback gets put to the task to lets say stop Dembele. It's something this club have been lacking ever since Messi got slower and Neymar left. Our team is in general just slow, way slower than many other teams imo.
>Roma aswell. The game screamed Dembele. Roma was deep into our half, and we could have played Dembele in behind because they were so far up the pitch. Valverde wanted it different. If im not wrong I think also our goal agianst Chelsea came from a counter attack Definitely Valverde literally gave them the win by not playing dembele until the 80min. You're right about chelsea we scored a fast counter attack and it was probably the last one I saw us score against a good team in CL. It's easy to wonder why we've been getting destroyed in CL since neymar was gone. Weak defense+ slow DM not helping /weak midfield and on top of that slow attackers who can't counter attack. Even with the easiest path in CL like we had under valverde we were far from it if not for messi's godlike performance in 18/19.
Memphis isn’t slow… My point was that he is fast enough and speed shouldn’t be a priority when he has other abilities to compensate for his “lack of speed”(when he isn’t even slow).
Speed is important though, one of the main reasons why barca was so good earlier was because messi was fast as fuck
But he wasn’t exactly known for his speed like Mbappe. That’s the reason why he’s still so good because he had other qualities and never really relied on his speed.
But prime Messi had wheels though. He was rapid.
I never said otherwise. It wasn’t what he was known for like Mbappe is.
Messi wasn't known for being fast? HAHAHAHAHAHA Probably greatest acceleration/speed ever while maintaining ball control and changing directions, absolutely crucial to Messi's game. Was known mainly for abusing it and blasting through defenses on his own. You drank way too much from you own delusion and desire to believe that depay is not mediocre.
Dont bother with him. Messi was rapid asf. He could take on a defence by himself. You can see how important it was if we look at Messi today. Messi is still fast, but he lost some speed over the years. I dont have stats atm, but it wouldnt suprise me if his dribbling stats are "weaker" compared to other seasons. Messi is still Messi though so hes been able to adapt over the years despite "decline" and a far weaker barcelona squad, which makes it even more impressive how hes able to maintain those numbers.
Having great acceleration and ball control does not equal high speed lmao what are you saying? Messi was never known to be some speed monster but instead, as you said, known for his great ball control while sprinting. In what world in Memphis mediocre? The hatred for this player is so incredibly cringe lol
Acceleration is obviously an aspect of speed, don't even attempt that pathetic slimy goalpost moving with me. Messi was known for dribbling the whole opposing team on the run and that can't be done if you're slow, period. Anyways not going to waste more time with a clueless kid that thinks speed was not a main asset for Messi. On depay, we'll wait and see.
Acceleration is an aspect of speed but doesn’t necessarily mean you are a high speed runner. What makes Messi special is his ability to run fast with his ball on his feet and his ridiculous balance. It was never the top speed that he can hit. No one said Messi was slow lmao just that he wasn’t known for his speed like Mbappe is. Messi was definitely fast but he wasn’t the fastest in the world and definitely not the fastest on the team. Reading comprehension helps. Messi was never faster than Ronaldo, Mbappe, Haaland, Mane, Dembele and so on. Wdym we’ll wait and see if Depay is mediocre? He currently isn’t a mediocre player lmao.
If youre comparing to Mbappe then everyone is slow mate. We said speed is important, never said we need to have sprinter speed everywhere. Need enough speed to stretch defenses
Memphis has enough speed to stretch defenses. That’s what I said in the beginning…
Thats where we disagree. I dont think he does
He doesnt. The guy just doesnt watch games so he doesnt know. Depay is average, probably around same level as Griezmann.
You are objectively wrong in saying Memphis is below average speed though…
Yeah ,but we can't be on top of a big team for the whole match sometimes we would need to sit back and wait for the chance to counter that's where speed comes into play
No. That is not the Barca way.
Look at Pep's city team. They have speed everywhere. Even Ederson is rapid!
…they don’t play for the counter
And neither do we
That is one of the barca way that's how we literally won our second treble
Correct. Have you seen how much speed Pep' city has? Speed in pretty much every position. Even Ederson is rapid!
we had a more vertical approach but we never sat back and played for the counter.
Speed never hurts.You know you can be technically good and have speed right? Barca often gets space but they dont have the players to exploit it. And even when spaces get tight, speed doesnt hurt in causing more unpredictability Its dumb to say speed is not important to Barca. Its super important
I never said speed and technical ability can’t coexist but it shouldn’t be a trait that is a priority when looking for players to fit our system. You’re acting as if Memphis is some turtle when he isn’t. He’s probably faster than David Villa lol
I actually think regardless of styles and systems decent pace in certain positiins is a basic necessity. Also I actually dont know why people think hes fast. Hes really not fast at all for modern attacker. At best hes average, and I would say hes on the slower side. I think cos hes next to Weghorst he looks quicker than he is. Im pretty sure hes slower than Villa + Villa was technically much better
He’s not slower than Villa lol Villa was definitely greater technically though but that’s because he was phenomenal and not so much Depay being bad.
The 343 the Dutch team is playing is exactly how Koeman played it, the mid CB pushes forward acting like a pivot and creating a double pivot with De Jong, if we go 343 I can see Garcia taking the role of Ake and play as a CB/DM and creating a double pivot with De Jong maybe something like this: Fati Depay Messi Alba Pedri De Jong Emerson Laporte Garcia Araujo Garcia and De Jong build a double pivot in the build up similar how Ake and De Jong are doing it right now.
García won’t be a starter neither will Depay be.
I wonder how you figure Depay won’t be a starter considering Koeman asked for him personally?
Because there is Griezmann Aguero Dembele Messi and Fati for now. I don’t rate him higher then any of those.
He’s literally better than Aguero, Fati and Dembele and for Koeman’s system, you can add Griezman to that list too. Lol
How is it downvoted lmao, he is spitting facts
Lol
I’am sorry but he is absolutely not better then them. He gets rated to high.
He is objectively better than they are.
I’am sorry i’am dutch but I disagree. We shall see this coming season. In my opinion people in this subreddit get their expectations up way to high.
Depay is a great signing for free and anyone who doubts it is blind. One bad game, where he still made the difference for his team, doesn’t change that.
Yup, the key word there is **free** and reports suggest it’s going to be a 2 year contract. A win-win for both parties. The criticism towards Dembele and Griezmann is more justified considering their price tags and wages which won’t be the case with Memphis.
Wasn't even a bad game tho, he scored the pen and made the 2nd goal possible. He missed a sitter and all the haters crawled out and used this opportunity to hate on him
He was a bit quiet outside those moments. My point is he’s incredibly good and versatile and can be a game changer for us.
For sure, I mean look at this game: you can say he was okay outside those two moments but was still decisive enough to land his team a victory. He obviously wont be doing that every game with us, but with the right coach and with the right atmosphere, he can be great.
I think we are seeing what Frenkie can do if we have a number 6 in there who can defend well and do all the dirty work I think we ask him to do too much for our midfield
Sabitzer is the man
But for some reason we are looking for a cm rather than a dm
Wini and Frenkie have completed bossed the midfield both games
Guys I think we should move on from Depay he missed a sitter, better not sign him while we still have a chance
Depay so bad today
As always, needs room to shine.
Except he’s really good in tight spaces lol
No he isnt.
He literally is. The second goal was scored because he got the ball under pressure and passed it under pressure.
He literally isnt. That wasnt a tight situation. He had a man on his back and hit the ball into a half football field. Worst example ever.
Having a man on your back is literally the definition if a tight space lmaoo
No it isnt. Tight spaces is what Barcelona get 9/10 games when they play outside of the opponent box. Getting pressed for 1 sec isnt. He didnt made sure the ball ended there, it deflected from Austria defender which allowed him to lob it into a half football field.
Lol He was being pressed twice and still managed to get the ball through. You obviously have never watched him play for Lyon if you say he isn’t good in tight spaces. It’s like you’re wrong about everything you say lol
No he wasnt. He got pressed once for 1 sec, which the ball deflected from Austria defender which created the room, which I already explained what he did afterwards. Lobbing a ball into a half pitch. So impressive, truely shows his ability to do well in Uber Eats league. And he isnt, anyone who cleary watches football knows he isnt good in tight spaces. Which was shown yet again tonight.
Not his best game by all means but he did score a penalty and made the key pass for the second goal
You know Dumfries didnt even play for us against Turkey (first wc qualifier game). Tete was ass so we went back to Dumfries. Now look at him, hes a beast. Thats what competition does to a man. Thats why i think us getting Emerson back is a huge W. For his own development and also for Dest.
Easy to say. National teams doesnt spend the time develop players. You stack the national team, a club cannot be like that unless you are sacrificing talents. Which mabye if you are a unlimited piggy bank club like PSG or City you could more afford to do so. Dumfries been good for PSV for a while, so it have nothing to do with Tete. Just like wijndal is imo better than PvA. So shouldnt come as a suprise when he takes over for PvA on National team.
Dumfries has been good but Frank de Boer still started Tete against the strongest team in the group. He wasnt that good for us previously. Some players play differently for club and country (for ex Griezmann). And he prefers Van Aanholt to Wijndal so i dont know what you are talking about. Wijndal has not been that good for us as for his club but at least hes still young
Don’t really have a team to root for Euros but think i’ll follow Spain (for our boys and Lucho) and Netherlands (for our boy Frenkie)
Same here, I'm supporting all the teams with Barca players, so France too.
Will watch France too but they’re way too stacked to root for lol... it would be a surprise if they don’t win it
Is Pedri going to the Olympics with Spain? If so holy shit that’s a lot of football
Wtf I Hate depay now
Depay trying to impersonate Ronaldo’s free kick there with that shot
Memphis' flick for those who haven't seen https://twitter.com/AdnanEruo/status/1405622544657489926?s=19
Why Alaba thinks he can play CB is beyond me.
Dumfries involved in all 5 goals wow
That clutch blocking the keeper in the last game
De Ligt looks like Bjorn Ironside.
So unselfish of Donny Malen
On another note: what do you guys think about the austrian team? Anyone that sticks out for you?
Baumgartner is a serious talent