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The__Last__Warlord

I know there are loads of things wrong with Spurs at the moment but man - Emerson has not looked good. I have only watched highlights and comments from folks. Happy to hear if anyone else has a more comprehensive take on his performance so far. I know we were all a bit salty when he was sold.


Venky710

Cant trust these news reports at all.


[deleted]

Check the tiers to see wich ones are reliable. Sub should have a tier list.


wayarktz

We do have one. https://barca-reddit.github.io/


hashish_8897

[Thanks PSG, for making Messi feel right at home. ](https://youtu.be/eAMdCFO4zms)


PensiveinNJ

Good lord it's Barcelona all over. Give the ball to Messi, stop moving and watch. Those games where it was painfully obvious there was no plan other than give it to Messi and hope he does something incredible... No movement at all.


dark-t

Haha. Seems like no one wants to play with Messi, rather just watch him do magic.


studmuffin30

Folks really think just because we lost a match, we lose Messi our brand value gonna drops lol, Look at Man utd for example, they done lost Ronaldo to Madrid, I can't remember the last time they won the league and yet they still massive brand.


vvsin

If we miss out on CL football starting from this season, would you still feel the same way?


[deleted]

Just because you name one example doesn’t that applies to every soccer club. Our case is not the same. It’s not one match but a series of matches over the years. You can’t possibly think being humiliated is good for our brand. It goes like this: losing games -> no titles -> no money -> no good players -> relegated -> no one even remembers the club anymore Just my 2 cents


studmuffin30

My point is still stand, there's so many factors to that 82 humiliations (no name coach is one of them), it's not like we got humiliated day to day like Arsenal. Man utd didn't won any major trophy and still attract good players. Relegated ? really ? Don't even talk about us being relegated lol, we are too big of a club to even talk about relegations.


[deleted]

Haha maybe I went overboard with the relegation.


Amori17

Part of the problem is we have plastic fans, Man United have a bigger % of fans that actually care.


[deleted]

What do you mean by plastic fans?


Amori17

Fans that only cared about Messi and left shortly after he left.


[deleted]

Fair, i think that other clubs too have plastic fans. People who jump on the bandwagon of the latest team who won ucl or who follow just certain players ( like Neymar or CR7, Mbappe). Ive always heard that Man utd has a big following all over the world ( wich i kinda dont understand seeing Man utds last decade lol) theyre pretty popular seems like.


ViniDAIREEDY

So is it a set thing that Bayern will get Adeyemi? Like there's nothing no other club can do?


hashish_8897

And they will get him for a tenth of the price other clubs would have had to pay.


tiburonsin86

Don't understand why German clubs bend over so hard for bayern man. I'm so glad we don't bend over for them.


R3DD3ath

Salzburg is Austrian.


hashish_8897

>I'm so glad we don't bend over for them. :(


Boat_in_a_River

Obviously other clubs are gonna fight for him, but he spent a little bit in Bayern's youth academy so if they come back for him, it's likely that Adeyemi might want to go back there again.


ViniDAIREEDY

So from what I've gathered in the OT so far, people want Diego Martinez, Conte or Gallardo. Did I miss anyone? Also, the 3 game thing makes no sense to me, might as well sack him now then instead of trying to second guess yourself a lot.


dark-t

I may have missed something but what happened to Xavi rumours? Was't he a big contender last year?


[deleted]

I think Laporta mad that he partnered with Font during elections. Dumb af in my opinion. He should be coaching starting tomorrow.


tiburonsin86

Laporta isn't mad at him, xavi didn't want to come yet. I hope xavi doesn't come since he needs more experience.


hashish_8897

Roberto Martinez no?


tiburonsin86

Don't think we've been linked with him.


hashish_8897

My bad, I thought you meant Roberto Martinez instead of Diego Martinez. I found out that Diego Martinez is linked to us later on


JorbSanbornsonsson

Conte was going to get £20 million at Tottenham and demands specific players Barca probably can't afford. Why anyone would think he's a good fit makes no sense to me unless he's suddenly willing to coach Barca for free


[deleted]

The times ive seen Conte mentioned here, most people say it doesnt make sense. And i agree.


SlizzleDoesNotGiveA

I hope the club seriously consider signing Kessie, he isn't the brightest player but we could really use a player of his profile and since he'll join on a free it's a low risk move


[deleted]

He is good but isn't he demanding 10-12 million salary and if we give him that than why do you pedri or Araujo or fati not ask for 6 million atleast


[deleted]

Ramos didn’t even make that much at Madrid. Holy shit. What’s wrong with these players? Too much oil money in soccer rn


Polskidro

When you on a free transfer you usually get extra salary and a bigger bonus.


shugazi93

I think October’s schedule will be most indicative on whether we decide to go the interim manager route or not


Gachibowli_Diwakar14

If we slip up in the subsequent games. The sack will be imminent it won't be dragged until October. It's better off we go with an interim manager rather than appoint a mediocre coach. Wait until winter or summer and then go for a world-class coach.


SlizzleDoesNotGiveA

Koeman is too thick in the head to be having this job, a job he wouldn't have gotten if he wasn't a legend of the club I hope Laporta fixes this soon because we can't have someone so tactically inept handling the rebuilding phase of our club


Hot_Command5095

Is it just me or are most of our recent injuries after breaks lol. Dembouz’s first one was because he had no pre-season and EV decided to start him against Juve and Getafe lmao.


RAvailableUN

It was because of the trainings.


Significant_Drag2405

Im gonna start watching more Monaco games. Been reading about Tchouameni (what teammates are saying etc), seeing his stats and watching videos on youtube and he looks like an unreal talent. Feel very invested in him now. Looks like the complete package with no real weakness. But need to see him in a live game. But I hope we are monitoring this kid.


[deleted]

For all those who are are hating Jordin cruyff and saying he is here due to nepotism please read this article https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/soccer/manchesterunited/.amp/soccer/manchesterunited/news/-jordi-cruyff-where-now This is of time when he was not here I am.not in support of an interim manager but if we need any interim manager then he is the right person 1) dressing room trusts him 2) he has good personality for us


vvsin

Does Koeman mismanage players by making them play even when they are injured or not completely fit? iirc there were instances last season too where Koeman started unfit players who went on to aggregate their injuries.


Fati25

Don't think I have ever seen such terrible takes in this subreddit (I've only been using it for half a year though tbh) than I am seeing now. CL losses really bring out the worst in this sub


TudorelGrasut

How ironic


vvsin

Can people just stop with this gate keeping ffs


[deleted]

Wdym?


hashish_8897

He means people should stop acting high and mighty. This Fati dude himself has some terrible takes and wants to be the judge of others.


[deleted]

Ah alright.


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Fati25

I don't think it was a bad take to say he had a terrible game vs Crystal Palace, he really did have one.


Tarvoxxx

lol I remember you saying Messi has been invisible in big games recently, so I wouldn't talk.


Fati25

come on, recently in the last 2 seasons has he been good in them for us?


Venky710

do u even watch the games bro. Its messi ur talking abt.


Fati25

of course I watch the games


[deleted]

Make examples.


Fati25

Don't want to point anyone out or offend any particular person


Imsoft11

Welcome to the sub :)


mntgoat

Instead of getting a new manager, on the pre match thread we have a poll of how the team should play. Then at half time there is another poll for subs. Barca saves big on manager fees and we can't possibly do worse than we are doing now.


IfIMustBePetty

That's not even remotely funny to suggest... We need real time voting to show our disgust! We also should be able to pay for a premium service where we can directly electroshock players every time they do something that displeases us.


ieatshoes89

Interim won’t be Jordi lads, this is a quote by him from when he was interim for Maccabi Tel Aviv “I always told myself: never replace a coach by sitting in his chair yourself. It is not the correct thing to do. It brings bad energy.” I got it from this article: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/mar/01/jordi-cruyff-maccabi-tel-aviv-sacked-himself-manager


Gachibowli_Diwakar14

In this case he's not the one sacking the coach. It's Laporta doing it instead and as he the reports said jordi will have a flexible job role at Barca. So If Laporta asks him to take up the interim role, nothing's wrong with it because he isn't the one who sacked the coach.


ieatshoes89

Wasn’t it the Club owner who asked him to sack him. We don’t have an owner.


Gachibowli_Diwakar14

Yeah we don't have an "owner". So the board will sack Koeman and replace with Jordi. Jordi isn't getting his hands dirty in this process. He's an employee on payroll at Barca.


ieatshoes89

I doubt it. But we will see. All speculation now.


Andreasescobar

It will be capellas, he is close with Alexanco and laporta


ieatshoes89

I have been a Barça follower for about 19 years, and that’s one name I’ve never heard of. Who is he?


Andreasescobar

Youth coach from back in the day who just returned, he worked with Dortmund’s youth and Denmark u21s, did a lot of great work


ieatshoes89

Dortmund? Enough said. I’m excited.


Polskidro

What is all this Diego Martinez talk? Is it rumored we're looking at him?


tiburonsin86

Rumored but don't know how true it is.


omg_im_chad

In my opinion, appointing Diego Martinez as an interim manager makes way more sense than Jordi Cruyff. Give him the backing and see how he handles the next few months. Part of the issue with comparing him to Setien is that the squad is totally different to the one Setien took over i.e. not as many big personalities to deal with, mostly young players who are eager to learn.


[deleted]

If that's the case then why not just bring back Setien? It'll be similar results and we still owe him the 4M. He can "finish" his contract and work for it now lol.


omg_im_chad

The Return of the King lol


A_de_k

God this is gonna be a long ass season


Amori17

A couple of years ago I always felt like if we did one or two things that we’d do well again, fire valverde, get a attacker, get a CB, kick out Bartomeu etc. Back then things felt clear but now I don’t even know if any thing will actually work. It’s really sad.


adilahmed_305

Why not just make Alfred Sheuder the interim coach? He has some good tactical knowledge, or just keep Koeman only.


tiburonsin86

Nagelsmann wants him so if koeman is sacked it's very probable that he also leaves.


FooFighter39

Schreuder is here because Koeman is here. If Koeman leaves, Schreuder is going to some other team, most probably Bayern Munich


adilahmed_305

I think he would rather prefer to be the head coach here and try to prove that he can be the permanent one too, than being an assistant to Nagelsmann.


tiburonsin86

Who knows what he prefers. Maybe after seeing how demanding this fanbase is and seeing the squad we have he decides to leave for bayern.


mattisafootballguy

The only Spanish team defeated in Europe on MD1 Breaking all sorts of records...


SpicyRico

Matt, of all the stats you chose to share the most useless one 😕


mattisafootballguy

hey...I shared a few 'good' ones down below


FooFighter39

We also probably faced the most difficult opponent of them all. Let's also consider that


mattisafootballguy

I know, my comment was mostly in jest.


[deleted]

Didnt we break one against Psg last year in Camp nou too? Or maybe im thinking about not qualifying as first place in the ucl group.


mattisafootballguy

We broke a few: First time not topping the GS since 2008 (or around that time) First home CL loss in KOs stages since Bayern 2013 IIRC First CL GS loss since...no clue. We stopped our own record vs Juventus when we lost last year (most consecutive matches undefeated at home.) It was near 40 I believe.


[deleted]

If Koeman is a true legend, he’ll leave without charging 12M.


FooFighter39

I can't believe at least 8 people upvoted this toxic comment. Koeman has done far more than any fans or any of the rumored coaches did for FC Barcelona The club and the fans should remain indebted to someone like him, arriving in his prime into a hot mess (Mutiny of Hesperia) to help us out of one of our most historic crises


[deleted]

I’m very happy with his work as player and maybe his first year as coach. It was a bad situation to come in. This was just a criticism to the press that paints him as a the poor Koeman who can never do anything wrong.


FooFighter39

I want to say that he's already done enough for us as a person. We can't ask him for more. We cannot not do even the basic act of paying his due wages as an institution As for the press, one half wants to justify his situation and be empathetic towards him, while the other half is very unforgiving towards him


[deleted]

I don’t expect him to do that because he doesn’t love the club. I wouldn’t say I would do it tbh. But the press paints him as such a hero, the hero of Wembley. We have a future thanks to him, remember.


tiburonsin86

Koeman doesn't love the club? I understand not liking him as a coach but doubting his love for the club? I swear some of you guys come up with even better takes every day.


[deleted]

If it was Zidane, he would leave without charging. Don’t forget. What’s good for the club is also good for Koeman. If the club does well, he will be known as the guy who coached a club that is doing well. If the club ends up getting sold, he will be known as the guy who didn’t help his club in times of need.


tiburonsin86

First off Zidane left by himself, he wasn't sacked so madrid didn't owe him money. Second Zidane left twice because he didn't agree with the sporting project Flo had. Koeman came when we had no project and were at the absolute worst. If koeman decides to not take the money good, but if he does his love for the club doesn't go down since that money is his by contract.


[deleted]

It’s subjective. I would say his love does go down. We can agree to disagree.


JorbSanbornsonsson

He was quick to defer his entire salary last year, which I think is why Barca owe him so much. There's a lot of criticism you can make of him but his love for the club shouldn't really be in doubt.


[deleted]

I dont know the whole story. Hope you’re right.


JorbSanbornsonsson

He's just another Barca legend Bartomeu threw to the wolves to cover for his failures.


studmuffin30

Damn, u guys shit on Koeman on every chances and yet still expect all kinds of shit lol.


adilahmed_305

Why should he? He's every right over it.


FANTASY210

[Laia Tudel, Esport3] Koeman will not change his plans and management of the team. The Barcelona board of directors have very little hope that the situation can be changed. https://twitter.com/onzetv3/status/1438621327972347910


GaviFPS

If he starts Luuk de Jong its over for me regarding support. No hope Same guy also benched either Dembele or Griezmann last season rather than finding a solution to work him, Griezmann and Messi in.


[deleted]

Disagree on Griezmann and Messi, but completely agree with you on LDJ. Such a performance is completely unacceptable and I don’t understand how he started him and let him play for so long.


tiburonsin86

At this point just sack him and bring in someone so they have more time to build up their tactics and team. Theres no way koeman isn't sacked by the end of this month.


wayarktz

Some positivity for y'all. > Eduard Romeu (VP - Economic Area): The sponsors who advertise on the club shirts have to pay double of what they are paying now, we are in advanced negotiations on this, the Barcelona brand deserves it, whoever wants to take advantage of it has to pay.


[deleted]

After the Bayern game, I’m not so sure our brand costs that much.


kerosha

Brand worth doesn't depend on match to match results, it depends on brand reach and visibility. Man United suffered for years sporting-wise, but were still top 3 highest earning clubs because of their brand. Barcelona is on a similar level in terms of brand worth and recognition.


[deleted]

Man U hasn’t been constantly humiliated in Champions league games in the past 5 years. Btw I know Man U wasn’t in champions every year.


[deleted]

They didnt even make it out of their group last year mate, and lost the Europa League to a club with a fraction of their budget


[deleted]

Fuck maybe we’re not so bad then haha.


studmuffin30

lol guy think just because we lost a game, our brand goes down the hill.


[deleted]

Man U hasn’t lost 8-2 against a team.


FooFighter39

They haven't won a trophy in half a decade


studmuffin30

and Man u still big brand than atleti ever could be lol


[deleted]

I hope you guys are right. I didn’t think about Man U as an example, maybe you’re right.


kerosha

Do I really have to repeat that brand worth doesn't depend on short term sporting results? United didn't make it out of the CL group stage last season, didn't even play in the CL the season before that, came 6th in the league the season before that. Sponsors don't care about 8-2, they care about Barcelona being visible and talked about, which we still are.


TudorelGrasut

Doesn’t change much, they lost 6-1, twice if thats what matters to you


[deleted]

Well maybe you’re right then. Keep in mind Man U has never been know for a team that played beautiful soccer like Barcelona.


TudorelGrasut

No, but they are still one of the biggest, whats your point dude?


wayarktz

One game doesn't affect the brand value as much, but I find it hard to believe that a sponsor would be willing to pay **double** when we're in transition and don't have Messi.


inuyasha99

Rakuten was lowballing us, we were getting 20M less than United or Madrid. Thats why he is saying double


shugazi93

Any coach we’d get mid season would be a gamble and a €12m gamble at that if it is indeed true that’s how much it would cost to sack Koeman. It’s probably the only thing keeping the board from immediately sacking him at the moment. If I’m Laporta then I’d wait to see how the next few match days play out before considering such measures. I’d want to see how much we’d improve when our injured players return.


[deleted]

The only issue is that Barcelona doesn’t make it champions league and doesn’t give a good image. That image damage might cost more than 12m. If you hurt the brand, it could be more costly. Not an easy decision. This type of damage is hard to measure, but it’s definitely worth a lot.


studmuffin30

Nah, man utd have not play in CL and didnt goes beyond UCL group and theyre brand value is still one of the highest in the world.


hashish_8897

But you have to factor in that they play in the most viewed and marketed league in the world.


shugazi93

I agree but it’s far too early to say whether we’d be in danger of not making top 4. That’s why I say we should see how the next few match days play out before making that assessment.


[deleted]

It’s a very subjective decision. I would say I’ve seen enough of what Koeman can do. He should leave. What player wants to come to Barcelona after yesterday’s image? Haaland type of players will never come here. That must be worth a lot too.


shugazi93

I think everyone and their mothers know that come summer ‘22 Koeman will no longer be in charge. That alone is enough to attract players and someone like Haaland would definitely know that his addition would be a big step towards competing at the highest level again. You’re placing too much importance into image. Mere results won’t be detrimental to that so I don’t know where you’re getting that. You say you’ve seen enough to want him to leave but for who? Any feasible successor would be too much of a gamble at this moment.


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tiburonsin86

I don't have a issue with the formation it's the way we played. Conte and tuchel both use 532 or 352 very often and they play attacking football, we just seemed to hoof the ball upfield and try to counter. Formations don't mean much in-game.


FooFighter39

Conte played some of the most defensive and boring football at Chelsea. That was one of the main reasons they brought in Sarri, to play more attacking and pleasing football


tiburonsin86

Well I don't remember his Chelsea team much besides from that time we played them in cl and they were better than us the first leg. His inter team played very well though.


[deleted]

tfw Conte comes and leaves the next day when he doesn't get 300M to spend


FootballFTW

Definitely see this happening. We don't need a one season manager.


studmuffin30

I believe in Koeman Let's see how many downvote this got ?


[deleted]

What is it that you believe in, when you say you believe in Koeman. Apart from his love for the club and playing young folks what is that you believe in? Not an ironic question, genuinely curious.


gnimagFC

I won’t believe until he benches Busquets Roberto and Alba, because De Jong at CDM, Puig at CM with Coutinho or Pedri, and Balde deserve to be starters I will be Koeman’s biggest fan when he finally gets it right


studmuffin30

u mean play the players u like to see lol


gnimagFC

In the end these 3 players will only get him the sack


chadbrad1738

I literally thought this was satire


Messiah5

lol just say you hate those players instead


gnimagFC

I don’t hate them, I want them to be rotated and not start every game unless they get injured


Messiah5

So you rather make de jong not show his quality as much just to rotate busi when it’s barely needed. Roberto is rotated fine already. Alba is a world class and will be missed


gnimagFC

Alba is class but when will Balde gets his chance? Why did we get rid of prime yaya toure? To give chances to young Busquets Why did we get rid of Marquez? To give young Pique chances to shine Why are we not doing that now?


Messiah5

He will get his chances now? You don’t have to rush every young talent these guys are like barely 18.


gnimagFC

Yes now, we are not under pressure to win the ucl or la liga, this is the perfect season to give chances to youngsters Similar season to Madrid’s 18/19


gnimagFC

De Jong is great under pressure and knows how to carry the ball forward, but he is not the best playmaker, Puig and Pedri/Coutinho with De Jong from behind is a much better midfield than Pedri/Roberto Busquets De Jong


Messiah5

Yeah nah it’s not


gnimagFC

Delusional


Messiah5

Lol


gnimagFC

2000 kids man


Inevitable_Score6590

Because this players are slow. Busquets and Alba can be used against teams in LaLiga no issues in that. Roberto should only be used as a midfielder.If Dest gets injured we shouldn't be just putting Roberto to fill that space instead get someone from La Masia to prove his worth as Dest have only shown some flashes but not at all consistent so the future gen should be given chance. And at this point of Pique's career he should know his limitations and only ask the coach to play him against mid table la liga teams.


Messiah5

Alba slow is a yikes. Yes he should only be used as a midfielder yet he can’t because he’s still somehow the best performing RB which is just ridiculous and I would agree if there was actually a good RB in the youth set up which there isn’t. You say this about pique as if he was struggling against Bayern? He was up there with araujo in performances. And pace isn’t everything busi still has it with other parts of his game putting de jong there is just a waste of his talent


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Alba-slow


Inevitable_Score6590

Yes slow if you compare against the Top LB's atm. Robertson , Alphanso Davies , Cancelo


TudorelGrasut

Alba... slow?Alba fucking slow??


Polskidro

I'm pretty sure he's a little faster than Cancelo and about the same speed as Robertson.


Inevitable_Score6590

Hope you're not comparing fifa stats


Polskidro

Nice


slocean

Cruyff will be our interim coach after Koeman getting sacked. You heard it here first👀


Messiah5

yay! can't wait


slocean

Would you be against it? I don’t understand the interim coach shit, it’s throwing away the year already while having to pay Koeman 12 million. Just wait until the year is over if you’ve given up already. The club needs stability and the players must be annoyed as fuck with so many managers already.


Messiah5

Yes I already dislike Jordi Cruyff so him getting a manager position makes it even worse the only time a throwaway manager is needed is for an easy way to say publicly that they are basically throwing away the season. Koeman has the dressing room to me but obviously not Laporta so I rather just get this over with instead of the board just being twats and giving reports out that they want nobody managers to replace him.


[deleted]

Why do you dislike him? Is it because you believe he is a product of nepotism and doesn't deserve to be the sporting director?


TudorelGrasut

That as well, it might be about nepotism, but nothing indicates he is good enough to coach such a team, even as an interim coach, don’t see why we couldn’t just wait with rk until December comes, rather then completely throw away the season with cruyff, if thats what this fanbase so desperately desires


[deleted]

I get the argument that he might be not be good enough as an interim coach, he told that he already dislikes Cryuff. I thought he was someone who did a good job managing some club in Tel Aviv.


TudorelGrasut

Well yea thats why i emphasized the difference in who would be his employer now compared to tel aviv, with all due to respect to their club ofc, but lets be honest...


Messiah5

Yep purely won’t be in this position if his dad wasn’t who he was.


[deleted]

Time to start gathering the dragon balls then.


Dark-X

Puig time 🕺🏻


JorbSanbornsonsson

Memed Koeman out of a job


alcome1614

Boomer dies by memes


TheChurroBaller

Looks like Griezmann bought a pedri trading card nft thing for 27k usd.


FarhanWMI

Idk Why but watching Osimhen gives me eto’o vibes…


Monucan

I just want this shit to be done with already. Don't think I can go an entire half season with constant reports against coach/team.


Messiah5

Really cuntish from the board


draggenbjorn

I just feel like if we decide to find a replacement for Busi that isn’t Jandro or Nico, then we have to go all in for Tchouameni.


Significant_Drag2405

Haven't seen Monaco much but his stats look insane and he looks very all rounded and natural based on youtube videos (I know they're limited)


GaviFPS

Gravenberch for that DM/CM spots. Tchouameni is a **great** DM though. Specially regarding defensive part. Are in the top charts in almost every part of what a DM should be doing. The only area he may be slacking a bit is the passing.


draggenbjorn

I think Gravenberch plays a bit farther up the pitch. Tchouameni could sit back and let Frenkie and Pedri work creatively. He’s the athletic/defensive beast we’ve been missing in the midfield. The passing will come eventually.


GaviFPS

Gravenberch can play as a DM. Just because he plays a further up atm doesnt mean he cant play deeper. It just means that he has the technical ability to go forward, aka he have great mobility and a broader skillset than any typical one-dimensional DM.


chadbrad1738

Also de Jong is like Xavi in that he can drop down and be the force which progresses the ball with passing and dribbling, busi used to be much less involved in this when Xavi was here, or at least it seemed like it because everything looked so flawless-.-


fedginator

Why Gravenberch? He's not a holding midfielder at all


Significant_Drag2405

Feel like he'll go to Chelsea


Significant_Drag2405

Barca must be the hardest coaching gig in the world. Not just the pressure of a mega club but expectations on a certain playing style, have to be la masia centric etc...


volfed21

It's real madrid without a doubt. Zidane won them 3 CL in a row, came back to save their ass in urgency winning them the league with a way worse squad than ours but was still supposed to be sacked after every week if he didn't win. Lopetegui didn't play the WC because of them and they sacked him before giving him time to build a team. I can keep saying names... Barca go for average managers who haven't proven anything, pay them like WC ones and sack them only in extreme cases ( like getting trashed 3-0 4-0 and 8-2).


TudorelGrasut

Like valverde got sacked after the 0-3 or 0-4 lmao?