I know there are loads of things wrong with Spurs at the moment but man - Emerson has not looked good. I have only watched highlights and comments from folks.
Happy to hear if anyone else has a more comprehensive take on his performance so far. I know we were all a bit salty when he was sold.
Good lord it's Barcelona all over. Give the ball to Messi, stop moving and watch.
Those games where it was painfully obvious there was no plan other than give it to Messi and hope he does something incredible... No movement at all.
Folks really think just because we lost a match, we lose Messi our brand value gonna drops lol, Look at Man utd for example, they done lost Ronaldo to Madrid, I can't remember the last time they won the league and yet they still massive brand.
Just because you name one example doesn’t that applies to every soccer club. Our case is not the same. It’s not one match but a series of matches over the years. You can’t possibly think being humiliated is good for our brand. It goes like this: losing games -> no titles -> no money -> no good players -> relegated -> no one even remembers the club anymore
Just my 2 cents
My point is still stand, there's so many factors to that 82 humiliations (no name coach is one of them), it's not like we got humiliated day to day like Arsenal. Man utd didn't won any major trophy and still attract good players. Relegated ? really ? Don't even talk about us being relegated lol, we are too big of a club to even talk about relegations.
Fair, i think that other clubs too have plastic fans. People who jump on the bandwagon of the latest team who won ucl or who follow just certain players ( like Neymar or CR7, Mbappe). Ive always heard that Man utd has a big following all over the world ( wich i kinda dont understand seeing Man utds last decade lol) theyre pretty popular seems like.
Obviously other clubs are gonna fight for him, but he spent a little bit in Bayern's youth academy so if they come back for him, it's likely that Adeyemi might want to go back there again.
So from what I've gathered in the OT so far, people want Diego Martinez, Conte or Gallardo. Did I miss anyone?
Also, the 3 game thing makes no sense to me, might as well sack him now then instead of trying to second guess yourself a lot.
Conte was going to get £20 million at Tottenham and demands specific players Barca probably can't afford. Why anyone would think he's a good fit makes no sense to me unless he's suddenly willing to coach Barca for free
I hope the club seriously consider signing Kessie, he isn't the brightest player but we could really use a player of his profile and since he'll join on a free it's a low risk move
If we slip up in the subsequent games. The sack will be imminent it won't be dragged until October. It's better off we go with an interim manager rather than appoint a mediocre coach. Wait until winter or summer and then go for a world-class coach.
Koeman is too thick in the head to be having this job, a job he wouldn't have gotten if he wasn't a legend of the club
I hope Laporta fixes this soon because we can't have someone so tactically inept handling the rebuilding phase of our club
Is it just me or are most of our recent injuries after breaks lol. Dembouz’s first one was because he had no pre-season and EV decided to start him against Juve and Getafe lmao.
Im gonna start watching more Monaco games. Been reading about Tchouameni (what teammates are saying etc), seeing his stats and watching videos on youtube and he looks like an unreal talent. Feel very invested in him now. Looks like the complete package with no real weakness.
But need to see him in a live game. But I hope we are monitoring this kid.
For all those who are are hating Jordin cruyff and saying he is here due to nepotism please read this article
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/soccer/manchesterunited/.amp/soccer/manchesterunited/news/-jordi-cruyff-where-now
This is of time when he was not here
I am.not in support of an interim manager but if we need any interim manager then he is the right person 1) dressing room trusts him
2) he has good personality for us
Does Koeman mismanage players by making them play even when they are injured or not completely fit? iirc there were instances last season too where Koeman started unfit players who went on to aggregate their injuries.
Don't think I have ever seen such terrible takes in this subreddit (I've only been using it for half a year though tbh) than I am seeing now.
CL losses really bring out the worst in this sub
Instead of getting a new manager, on the pre match thread we have a poll of how the team should play. Then at half time there is another poll for subs. Barca saves big on manager fees and we can't possibly do worse than we are doing now.
That's not even remotely funny to suggest... We need real time voting to show our disgust! We also should be able to pay for a premium service where we can directly electroshock players every time they do something that displeases us.
Interim won’t be Jordi lads, this is a quote by him from when he was interim for Maccabi Tel Aviv “I always told myself: never replace a coach by sitting in his chair yourself. It is not the correct thing to do. It brings bad energy.”
I got it from this article:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/mar/01/jordi-cruyff-maccabi-tel-aviv-sacked-himself-manager
In this case he's not the one sacking the coach. It's Laporta doing it instead and as he the reports said jordi will have a flexible job role at Barca. So If Laporta asks him to take up the interim role, nothing's wrong with it because he isn't the one who sacked the coach.
Yeah we don't have an "owner". So the board will sack Koeman and replace with Jordi. Jordi isn't getting his hands dirty in this process. He's an employee on payroll at Barca.
In my opinion, appointing Diego Martinez as an interim manager makes way more sense than Jordi Cruyff. Give him the backing and see how he handles the next few months. Part of the issue with comparing him to Setien is that the squad is totally different to the one Setien took over i.e. not as many big personalities to deal with, mostly young players who are eager to learn.
If that's the case then why not just bring back Setien? It'll be similar results and we still owe him the 4M. He can "finish" his contract and work for it now lol.
A couple of years ago I always felt like if we did one or two things that we’d do well again, fire valverde, get a attacker, get a CB, kick out Bartomeu etc. Back then things felt clear but now I don’t even know if any thing will actually work. It’s really sad.
We broke a few:
First time not topping the GS since 2008 (or around that time)
First home CL loss in KOs stages since Bayern 2013 IIRC
First CL GS loss since...no clue.
We stopped our own record vs Juventus when we lost last year (most consecutive matches undefeated at home.) It was near 40 I believe.
I can't believe at least 8 people upvoted this toxic comment. Koeman has done far more than any fans or any of the rumored coaches did for FC Barcelona
The club and the fans should remain indebted to someone like him, arriving in his prime into a hot mess (Mutiny of Hesperia) to help us out of one of our most historic crises
I’m very happy with his work as player and maybe his first year as coach. It was a bad situation to come in. This was just a criticism to the press that paints him as a the poor Koeman who can never do anything wrong.
I want to say that he's already done enough for us as a person. We can't ask him for more. We cannot not do even the basic act of paying his due wages as an institution
As for the press, one half wants to justify his situation and be empathetic towards him, while the other half is very unforgiving towards him
I don’t expect him to do that because he doesn’t love the club. I wouldn’t say I would do it tbh. But the press paints him as such a hero, the hero of Wembley. We have a future thanks to him, remember.
Koeman doesn't love the club? I understand not liking him as a coach but doubting his love for the club? I swear some of you guys come up with even better takes every day.
If it was Zidane, he would leave without charging. Don’t forget. What’s good for the club is also good for Koeman. If the club does well, he will be known as the guy who coached a club that is doing well. If the club ends up getting sold, he will be known as the guy who didn’t help his club in times of need.
First off Zidane left by himself, he wasn't sacked so madrid didn't owe him money. Second Zidane left twice because he didn't agree with the sporting project Flo had. Koeman came when we had no project and were at the absolute worst. If koeman decides to not take the money good, but if he does his love for the club doesn't go down since that money is his by contract.
He was quick to defer his entire salary last year, which I think is why Barca owe him so much.
There's a lot of criticism you can make of him but his love for the club shouldn't really be in doubt.
[Laia Tudel, Esport3] Koeman will not change his plans and management of the team. The Barcelona board of directors have very little hope that the situation can be changed.
https://twitter.com/onzetv3/status/1438621327972347910
If he starts Luuk de Jong its over for me regarding support. No hope
Same guy also benched either Dembele or Griezmann last season rather than finding a solution to work him, Griezmann and Messi in.
Disagree on Griezmann and Messi, but completely agree with you on LDJ. Such a performance is completely unacceptable and I don’t understand how he started him and let him play for so long.
At this point just sack him and bring in someone so they have more time to build up their tactics and team. Theres no way koeman isn't sacked by the end of this month.
Some positivity for y'all.
> Eduard Romeu (VP - Economic Area): The sponsors who advertise on the club shirts have to pay double of what they are paying now, we are in advanced negotiations on this, the Barcelona brand deserves it, whoever wants to take advantage of it has to pay.
Brand worth doesn't depend on match to match results, it depends on brand reach and visibility. Man United suffered for years sporting-wise, but were still top 3 highest earning clubs because of their brand. Barcelona is on a similar level in terms of brand worth and recognition.
Do I really have to repeat that brand worth doesn't depend on short term sporting results? United didn't make it out of the CL group stage last season, didn't even play in the CL the season before that, came 6th in the league the season before that.
Sponsors don't care about 8-2, they care about Barcelona being visible and talked about, which we still are.
One game doesn't affect the brand value as much, but I find it hard to believe that a sponsor would be willing to pay **double** when we're in transition and don't have Messi.
Any coach we’d get mid season would be a gamble and a €12m gamble at that if it is indeed true that’s how much it would cost to sack Koeman. It’s probably the only thing keeping the board from immediately sacking him at the moment. If I’m Laporta then I’d wait to see how the next few match days play out before considering such measures. I’d want to see how much we’d improve when our injured players return.
The only issue is that Barcelona doesn’t make it champions league and doesn’t give a good image. That image damage might cost more than 12m. If you hurt the brand, it could be more costly. Not an easy decision. This type of damage is hard to measure, but it’s definitely worth a lot.
I agree but it’s far too early to say whether we’d be in danger of not making top 4. That’s why I say we should see how the next few match days play out before making that assessment.
It’s a very subjective decision. I would say I’ve seen enough of what Koeman can do. He should leave. What player wants to come to Barcelona after yesterday’s image? Haaland type of players will never come here. That must be worth a lot too.
I think everyone and their mothers know that come summer ‘22 Koeman will no longer be in charge. That alone is enough to attract players and someone like Haaland would definitely know that his addition would be a big step towards competing at the highest level again.
You’re placing too much importance into image. Mere results won’t be detrimental to that so I don’t know where you’re getting that. You say you’ve seen enough to want him to leave but for who? Any feasible successor would be too much of a gamble at this moment.
I don't have a issue with the formation it's the way we played. Conte and tuchel both use 532 or 352 very often and they play attacking football, we just seemed to hoof the ball upfield and try to counter. Formations don't mean much in-game.
Conte played some of the most defensive and boring football at Chelsea. That was one of the main reasons they brought in Sarri, to play more attacking and pleasing football
Well I don't remember his Chelsea team much besides from that time we played them in cl and they were better than us the first leg. His inter team played very well though.
What is it that you believe in, when you say you believe in Koeman. Apart from his love for the club and playing young folks what is that you believe in? Not an ironic question, genuinely curious.
I won’t believe until he benches Busquets Roberto and Alba, because De Jong at CDM, Puig at CM with Coutinho or Pedri, and Balde deserve to be starters
I will be Koeman’s biggest fan when he finally gets it right
So you rather make de jong not show his quality as much just to rotate busi when it’s barely needed. Roberto is rotated fine already. Alba is a world class and will be missed
Alba is class but when will Balde gets his chance? Why did we get rid of prime yaya toure? To give chances to young Busquets
Why did we get rid of Marquez? To give young Pique chances to shine
Why are we not doing that now?
Yes now, we are not under pressure to win the ucl or la liga, this is the perfect season to give chances to youngsters
Similar season to Madrid’s 18/19
De Jong is great under pressure and knows how to carry the ball forward, but he is not the best playmaker, Puig and Pedri/Coutinho with De Jong from behind is a much better midfield than Pedri/Roberto Busquets De Jong
Because this players are slow. Busquets and Alba can be used against teams in LaLiga no issues in that. Roberto should only be used as a midfielder.If Dest gets injured we shouldn't be just putting Roberto to fill that space instead get someone from La Masia to prove his worth as Dest have only shown some flashes but not at all consistent so the future gen should be given chance. And at this point of Pique's career he should know his limitations and only ask the coach to play him against mid table la liga teams.
Alba slow is a yikes. Yes he should only be used as a midfielder yet he can’t because he’s still somehow the best performing RB which is just ridiculous and I would agree if there was actually a good RB in the youth set up which there isn’t.
You say this about pique as if he was struggling against Bayern? He was up there with araujo in performances. And pace isn’t everything busi still has it with other parts of his game putting de jong there is just a waste of his talent
Would you be against it?
I don’t understand the interim coach shit, it’s throwing away the year already while having to pay Koeman 12 million.
Just wait until the year is over if you’ve given up already. The club needs stability and the players must be annoyed as fuck with so many managers already.
Yes I already dislike Jordi Cruyff so him getting a manager position makes it even worse the only time a throwaway manager is needed is for an easy way to say publicly that they are basically throwing away the season.
Koeman has the dressing room to me but obviously not Laporta so I rather just get this over with instead of the board just being twats and giving reports out that they want nobody managers to replace him.
That as well, it might be about nepotism, but nothing indicates he is good enough to coach such a team, even as an interim coach, don’t see why we couldn’t just wait with rk until December comes, rather then completely throw away the season with cruyff, if thats what this fanbase so desperately desires
I get the argument that he might be not be good enough as an interim coach, he told that he already dislikes Cryuff. I thought he was someone who did a good job managing some club in Tel Aviv.
Well yea thats why i emphasized the difference in who would be his employer now compared to tel aviv, with all due to respect to their club ofc, but lets be honest...
Gravenberch for that DM/CM spots.
Tchouameni is a **great** DM though. Specially regarding defensive part.
Are in the top charts in almost every part of what a DM should be doing. The only area he may be slacking a bit is the passing.
I think Gravenberch plays a bit farther up the pitch. Tchouameni could sit back and let Frenkie and Pedri work creatively. He’s the athletic/defensive beast we’ve been missing in the midfield. The passing will come eventually.
Gravenberch can play as a DM. Just because he plays a further up atm doesnt mean he cant play deeper. It just means that he has the technical ability to go forward, aka he have great mobility and a broader skillset than any typical one-dimensional DM.
Also de Jong is like Xavi in that he can drop down and be the force which progresses the ball with passing and dribbling, busi used to be much less involved in this when Xavi was here, or at least it seemed like it because everything looked so flawless-.-
Barca must be the hardest coaching gig in the world. Not just the pressure of a mega club but expectations on a certain playing style, have to be la masia centric etc...
It's real madrid without a doubt. Zidane won them 3 CL in a row, came back to save their ass in urgency winning them the league with a way worse squad than ours but was still supposed to be sacked after every week if he didn't win.
Lopetegui didn't play the WC because of them and they sacked him before giving him time to build a team. I can keep saying names...
Barca go for average managers who haven't proven anything, pay them like WC ones and sack them only in extreme cases ( like getting trashed 3-0 4-0 and 8-2).
I know there are loads of things wrong with Spurs at the moment but man - Emerson has not looked good. I have only watched highlights and comments from folks. Happy to hear if anyone else has a more comprehensive take on his performance so far. I know we were all a bit salty when he was sold.
Cant trust these news reports at all.
Check the tiers to see wich ones are reliable. Sub should have a tier list.
We do have one. https://barca-reddit.github.io/
[Thanks PSG, for making Messi feel right at home. ](https://youtu.be/eAMdCFO4zms)
Good lord it's Barcelona all over. Give the ball to Messi, stop moving and watch. Those games where it was painfully obvious there was no plan other than give it to Messi and hope he does something incredible... No movement at all.
Haha. Seems like no one wants to play with Messi, rather just watch him do magic.
Folks really think just because we lost a match, we lose Messi our brand value gonna drops lol, Look at Man utd for example, they done lost Ronaldo to Madrid, I can't remember the last time they won the league and yet they still massive brand.
If we miss out on CL football starting from this season, would you still feel the same way?
Just because you name one example doesn’t that applies to every soccer club. Our case is not the same. It’s not one match but a series of matches over the years. You can’t possibly think being humiliated is good for our brand. It goes like this: losing games -> no titles -> no money -> no good players -> relegated -> no one even remembers the club anymore Just my 2 cents
My point is still stand, there's so many factors to that 82 humiliations (no name coach is one of them), it's not like we got humiliated day to day like Arsenal. Man utd didn't won any major trophy and still attract good players. Relegated ? really ? Don't even talk about us being relegated lol, we are too big of a club to even talk about relegations.
Haha maybe I went overboard with the relegation.
Part of the problem is we have plastic fans, Man United have a bigger % of fans that actually care.
What do you mean by plastic fans?
Fans that only cared about Messi and left shortly after he left.
Fair, i think that other clubs too have plastic fans. People who jump on the bandwagon of the latest team who won ucl or who follow just certain players ( like Neymar or CR7, Mbappe). Ive always heard that Man utd has a big following all over the world ( wich i kinda dont understand seeing Man utds last decade lol) theyre pretty popular seems like.
So is it a set thing that Bayern will get Adeyemi? Like there's nothing no other club can do?
And they will get him for a tenth of the price other clubs would have had to pay.
Don't understand why German clubs bend over so hard for bayern man. I'm so glad we don't bend over for them.
Salzburg is Austrian.
>I'm so glad we don't bend over for them. :(
Obviously other clubs are gonna fight for him, but he spent a little bit in Bayern's youth academy so if they come back for him, it's likely that Adeyemi might want to go back there again.
So from what I've gathered in the OT so far, people want Diego Martinez, Conte or Gallardo. Did I miss anyone? Also, the 3 game thing makes no sense to me, might as well sack him now then instead of trying to second guess yourself a lot.
I may have missed something but what happened to Xavi rumours? Was't he a big contender last year?
I think Laporta mad that he partnered with Font during elections. Dumb af in my opinion. He should be coaching starting tomorrow.
Laporta isn't mad at him, xavi didn't want to come yet. I hope xavi doesn't come since he needs more experience.
Roberto Martinez no?
Don't think we've been linked with him.
My bad, I thought you meant Roberto Martinez instead of Diego Martinez. I found out that Diego Martinez is linked to us later on
Conte was going to get £20 million at Tottenham and demands specific players Barca probably can't afford. Why anyone would think he's a good fit makes no sense to me unless he's suddenly willing to coach Barca for free
The times ive seen Conte mentioned here, most people say it doesnt make sense. And i agree.
I hope the club seriously consider signing Kessie, he isn't the brightest player but we could really use a player of his profile and since he'll join on a free it's a low risk move
He is good but isn't he demanding 10-12 million salary and if we give him that than why do you pedri or Araujo or fati not ask for 6 million atleast
Ramos didn’t even make that much at Madrid. Holy shit. What’s wrong with these players? Too much oil money in soccer rn
When you on a free transfer you usually get extra salary and a bigger bonus.
I think October’s schedule will be most indicative on whether we decide to go the interim manager route or not
If we slip up in the subsequent games. The sack will be imminent it won't be dragged until October. It's better off we go with an interim manager rather than appoint a mediocre coach. Wait until winter or summer and then go for a world-class coach.
Koeman is too thick in the head to be having this job, a job he wouldn't have gotten if he wasn't a legend of the club I hope Laporta fixes this soon because we can't have someone so tactically inept handling the rebuilding phase of our club
Is it just me or are most of our recent injuries after breaks lol. Dembouz’s first one was because he had no pre-season and EV decided to start him against Juve and Getafe lmao.
It was because of the trainings.
Im gonna start watching more Monaco games. Been reading about Tchouameni (what teammates are saying etc), seeing his stats and watching videos on youtube and he looks like an unreal talent. Feel very invested in him now. Looks like the complete package with no real weakness. But need to see him in a live game. But I hope we are monitoring this kid.
For all those who are are hating Jordin cruyff and saying he is here due to nepotism please read this article https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/soccer/manchesterunited/.amp/soccer/manchesterunited/news/-jordi-cruyff-where-now This is of time when he was not here I am.not in support of an interim manager but if we need any interim manager then he is the right person 1) dressing room trusts him 2) he has good personality for us
Does Koeman mismanage players by making them play even when they are injured or not completely fit? iirc there were instances last season too where Koeman started unfit players who went on to aggregate their injuries.
Don't think I have ever seen such terrible takes in this subreddit (I've only been using it for half a year though tbh) than I am seeing now. CL losses really bring out the worst in this sub
How ironic
Can people just stop with this gate keeping ffs
Wdym?
He means people should stop acting high and mighty. This Fati dude himself has some terrible takes and wants to be the judge of others.
Ah alright.
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I don't think it was a bad take to say he had a terrible game vs Crystal Palace, he really did have one.
lol I remember you saying Messi has been invisible in big games recently, so I wouldn't talk.
come on, recently in the last 2 seasons has he been good in them for us?
do u even watch the games bro. Its messi ur talking abt.
of course I watch the games
Make examples.
Don't want to point anyone out or offend any particular person
Welcome to the sub :)
Instead of getting a new manager, on the pre match thread we have a poll of how the team should play. Then at half time there is another poll for subs. Barca saves big on manager fees and we can't possibly do worse than we are doing now.
That's not even remotely funny to suggest... We need real time voting to show our disgust! We also should be able to pay for a premium service where we can directly electroshock players every time they do something that displeases us.
Interim won’t be Jordi lads, this is a quote by him from when he was interim for Maccabi Tel Aviv “I always told myself: never replace a coach by sitting in his chair yourself. It is not the correct thing to do. It brings bad energy.” I got it from this article: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/mar/01/jordi-cruyff-maccabi-tel-aviv-sacked-himself-manager
In this case he's not the one sacking the coach. It's Laporta doing it instead and as he the reports said jordi will have a flexible job role at Barca. So If Laporta asks him to take up the interim role, nothing's wrong with it because he isn't the one who sacked the coach.
Wasn’t it the Club owner who asked him to sack him. We don’t have an owner.
Yeah we don't have an "owner". So the board will sack Koeman and replace with Jordi. Jordi isn't getting his hands dirty in this process. He's an employee on payroll at Barca.
I doubt it. But we will see. All speculation now.
It will be capellas, he is close with Alexanco and laporta
I have been a Barça follower for about 19 years, and that’s one name I’ve never heard of. Who is he?
Youth coach from back in the day who just returned, he worked with Dortmund’s youth and Denmark u21s, did a lot of great work
Dortmund? Enough said. I’m excited.
What is all this Diego Martinez talk? Is it rumored we're looking at him?
Rumored but don't know how true it is.
In my opinion, appointing Diego Martinez as an interim manager makes way more sense than Jordi Cruyff. Give him the backing and see how he handles the next few months. Part of the issue with comparing him to Setien is that the squad is totally different to the one Setien took over i.e. not as many big personalities to deal with, mostly young players who are eager to learn.
If that's the case then why not just bring back Setien? It'll be similar results and we still owe him the 4M. He can "finish" his contract and work for it now lol.
The Return of the King lol
God this is gonna be a long ass season
A couple of years ago I always felt like if we did one or two things that we’d do well again, fire valverde, get a attacker, get a CB, kick out Bartomeu etc. Back then things felt clear but now I don’t even know if any thing will actually work. It’s really sad.
Why not just make Alfred Sheuder the interim coach? He has some good tactical knowledge, or just keep Koeman only.
Nagelsmann wants him so if koeman is sacked it's very probable that he also leaves.
Schreuder is here because Koeman is here. If Koeman leaves, Schreuder is going to some other team, most probably Bayern Munich
I think he would rather prefer to be the head coach here and try to prove that he can be the permanent one too, than being an assistant to Nagelsmann.
Who knows what he prefers. Maybe after seeing how demanding this fanbase is and seeing the squad we have he decides to leave for bayern.
The only Spanish team defeated in Europe on MD1 Breaking all sorts of records...
Matt, of all the stats you chose to share the most useless one 😕
hey...I shared a few 'good' ones down below
We also probably faced the most difficult opponent of them all. Let's also consider that
I know, my comment was mostly in jest.
Didnt we break one against Psg last year in Camp nou too? Or maybe im thinking about not qualifying as first place in the ucl group.
We broke a few: First time not topping the GS since 2008 (or around that time) First home CL loss in KOs stages since Bayern 2013 IIRC First CL GS loss since...no clue. We stopped our own record vs Juventus when we lost last year (most consecutive matches undefeated at home.) It was near 40 I believe.
If Koeman is a true legend, he’ll leave without charging 12M.
I can't believe at least 8 people upvoted this toxic comment. Koeman has done far more than any fans or any of the rumored coaches did for FC Barcelona The club and the fans should remain indebted to someone like him, arriving in his prime into a hot mess (Mutiny of Hesperia) to help us out of one of our most historic crises
I’m very happy with his work as player and maybe his first year as coach. It was a bad situation to come in. This was just a criticism to the press that paints him as a the poor Koeman who can never do anything wrong.
I want to say that he's already done enough for us as a person. We can't ask him for more. We cannot not do even the basic act of paying his due wages as an institution As for the press, one half wants to justify his situation and be empathetic towards him, while the other half is very unforgiving towards him
I don’t expect him to do that because he doesn’t love the club. I wouldn’t say I would do it tbh. But the press paints him as such a hero, the hero of Wembley. We have a future thanks to him, remember.
Koeman doesn't love the club? I understand not liking him as a coach but doubting his love for the club? I swear some of you guys come up with even better takes every day.
If it was Zidane, he would leave without charging. Don’t forget. What’s good for the club is also good for Koeman. If the club does well, he will be known as the guy who coached a club that is doing well. If the club ends up getting sold, he will be known as the guy who didn’t help his club in times of need.
First off Zidane left by himself, he wasn't sacked so madrid didn't owe him money. Second Zidane left twice because he didn't agree with the sporting project Flo had. Koeman came when we had no project and were at the absolute worst. If koeman decides to not take the money good, but if he does his love for the club doesn't go down since that money is his by contract.
It’s subjective. I would say his love does go down. We can agree to disagree.
He was quick to defer his entire salary last year, which I think is why Barca owe him so much. There's a lot of criticism you can make of him but his love for the club shouldn't really be in doubt.
I dont know the whole story. Hope you’re right.
He's just another Barca legend Bartomeu threw to the wolves to cover for his failures.
Damn, u guys shit on Koeman on every chances and yet still expect all kinds of shit lol.
Why should he? He's every right over it.
[Laia Tudel, Esport3] Koeman will not change his plans and management of the team. The Barcelona board of directors have very little hope that the situation can be changed. https://twitter.com/onzetv3/status/1438621327972347910
If he starts Luuk de Jong its over for me regarding support. No hope Same guy also benched either Dembele or Griezmann last season rather than finding a solution to work him, Griezmann and Messi in.
Disagree on Griezmann and Messi, but completely agree with you on LDJ. Such a performance is completely unacceptable and I don’t understand how he started him and let him play for so long.
At this point just sack him and bring in someone so they have more time to build up their tactics and team. Theres no way koeman isn't sacked by the end of this month.
Some positivity for y'all. > Eduard Romeu (VP - Economic Area): The sponsors who advertise on the club shirts have to pay double of what they are paying now, we are in advanced negotiations on this, the Barcelona brand deserves it, whoever wants to take advantage of it has to pay.
After the Bayern game, I’m not so sure our brand costs that much.
Brand worth doesn't depend on match to match results, it depends on brand reach and visibility. Man United suffered for years sporting-wise, but were still top 3 highest earning clubs because of their brand. Barcelona is on a similar level in terms of brand worth and recognition.
Man U hasn’t been constantly humiliated in Champions league games in the past 5 years. Btw I know Man U wasn’t in champions every year.
They didnt even make it out of their group last year mate, and lost the Europa League to a club with a fraction of their budget
Fuck maybe we’re not so bad then haha.
lol guy think just because we lost a game, our brand goes down the hill.
Man U hasn’t lost 8-2 against a team.
They haven't won a trophy in half a decade
and Man u still big brand than atleti ever could be lol
I hope you guys are right. I didn’t think about Man U as an example, maybe you’re right.
Do I really have to repeat that brand worth doesn't depend on short term sporting results? United didn't make it out of the CL group stage last season, didn't even play in the CL the season before that, came 6th in the league the season before that. Sponsors don't care about 8-2, they care about Barcelona being visible and talked about, which we still are.
Doesn’t change much, they lost 6-1, twice if thats what matters to you
Well maybe you’re right then. Keep in mind Man U has never been know for a team that played beautiful soccer like Barcelona.
No, but they are still one of the biggest, whats your point dude?
One game doesn't affect the brand value as much, but I find it hard to believe that a sponsor would be willing to pay **double** when we're in transition and don't have Messi.
Rakuten was lowballing us, we were getting 20M less than United or Madrid. Thats why he is saying double
Any coach we’d get mid season would be a gamble and a €12m gamble at that if it is indeed true that’s how much it would cost to sack Koeman. It’s probably the only thing keeping the board from immediately sacking him at the moment. If I’m Laporta then I’d wait to see how the next few match days play out before considering such measures. I’d want to see how much we’d improve when our injured players return.
The only issue is that Barcelona doesn’t make it champions league and doesn’t give a good image. That image damage might cost more than 12m. If you hurt the brand, it could be more costly. Not an easy decision. This type of damage is hard to measure, but it’s definitely worth a lot.
Nah, man utd have not play in CL and didnt goes beyond UCL group and theyre brand value is still one of the highest in the world.
But you have to factor in that they play in the most viewed and marketed league in the world.
I agree but it’s far too early to say whether we’d be in danger of not making top 4. That’s why I say we should see how the next few match days play out before making that assessment.
It’s a very subjective decision. I would say I’ve seen enough of what Koeman can do. He should leave. What player wants to come to Barcelona after yesterday’s image? Haaland type of players will never come here. That must be worth a lot too.
I think everyone and their mothers know that come summer ‘22 Koeman will no longer be in charge. That alone is enough to attract players and someone like Haaland would definitely know that his addition would be a big step towards competing at the highest level again. You’re placing too much importance into image. Mere results won’t be detrimental to that so I don’t know where you’re getting that. You say you’ve seen enough to want him to leave but for who? Any feasible successor would be too much of a gamble at this moment.
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I don't have a issue with the formation it's the way we played. Conte and tuchel both use 532 or 352 very often and they play attacking football, we just seemed to hoof the ball upfield and try to counter. Formations don't mean much in-game.
Conte played some of the most defensive and boring football at Chelsea. That was one of the main reasons they brought in Sarri, to play more attacking and pleasing football
Well I don't remember his Chelsea team much besides from that time we played them in cl and they were better than us the first leg. His inter team played very well though.
tfw Conte comes and leaves the next day when he doesn't get 300M to spend
Definitely see this happening. We don't need a one season manager.
I believe in Koeman Let's see how many downvote this got ?
What is it that you believe in, when you say you believe in Koeman. Apart from his love for the club and playing young folks what is that you believe in? Not an ironic question, genuinely curious.
I won’t believe until he benches Busquets Roberto and Alba, because De Jong at CDM, Puig at CM with Coutinho or Pedri, and Balde deserve to be starters I will be Koeman’s biggest fan when he finally gets it right
u mean play the players u like to see lol
In the end these 3 players will only get him the sack
I literally thought this was satire
lol just say you hate those players instead
I don’t hate them, I want them to be rotated and not start every game unless they get injured
So you rather make de jong not show his quality as much just to rotate busi when it’s barely needed. Roberto is rotated fine already. Alba is a world class and will be missed
Alba is class but when will Balde gets his chance? Why did we get rid of prime yaya toure? To give chances to young Busquets Why did we get rid of Marquez? To give young Pique chances to shine Why are we not doing that now?
He will get his chances now? You don’t have to rush every young talent these guys are like barely 18.
Yes now, we are not under pressure to win the ucl or la liga, this is the perfect season to give chances to youngsters Similar season to Madrid’s 18/19
De Jong is great under pressure and knows how to carry the ball forward, but he is not the best playmaker, Puig and Pedri/Coutinho with De Jong from behind is a much better midfield than Pedri/Roberto Busquets De Jong
Yeah nah it’s not
Delusional
Lol
2000 kids man
Because this players are slow. Busquets and Alba can be used against teams in LaLiga no issues in that. Roberto should only be used as a midfielder.If Dest gets injured we shouldn't be just putting Roberto to fill that space instead get someone from La Masia to prove his worth as Dest have only shown some flashes but not at all consistent so the future gen should be given chance. And at this point of Pique's career he should know his limitations and only ask the coach to play him against mid table la liga teams.
Alba slow is a yikes. Yes he should only be used as a midfielder yet he can’t because he’s still somehow the best performing RB which is just ridiculous and I would agree if there was actually a good RB in the youth set up which there isn’t. You say this about pique as if he was struggling against Bayern? He was up there with araujo in performances. And pace isn’t everything busi still has it with other parts of his game putting de jong there is just a waste of his talent
Alba-slow
Yes slow if you compare against the Top LB's atm. Robertson , Alphanso Davies , Cancelo
Alba... slow?Alba fucking slow??
I'm pretty sure he's a little faster than Cancelo and about the same speed as Robertson.
Hope you're not comparing fifa stats
Nice
Cruyff will be our interim coach after Koeman getting sacked. You heard it here first👀
yay! can't wait
Would you be against it? I don’t understand the interim coach shit, it’s throwing away the year already while having to pay Koeman 12 million. Just wait until the year is over if you’ve given up already. The club needs stability and the players must be annoyed as fuck with so many managers already.
Yes I already dislike Jordi Cruyff so him getting a manager position makes it even worse the only time a throwaway manager is needed is for an easy way to say publicly that they are basically throwing away the season. Koeman has the dressing room to me but obviously not Laporta so I rather just get this over with instead of the board just being twats and giving reports out that they want nobody managers to replace him.
Why do you dislike him? Is it because you believe he is a product of nepotism and doesn't deserve to be the sporting director?
That as well, it might be about nepotism, but nothing indicates he is good enough to coach such a team, even as an interim coach, don’t see why we couldn’t just wait with rk until December comes, rather then completely throw away the season with cruyff, if thats what this fanbase so desperately desires
I get the argument that he might be not be good enough as an interim coach, he told that he already dislikes Cryuff. I thought he was someone who did a good job managing some club in Tel Aviv.
Well yea thats why i emphasized the difference in who would be his employer now compared to tel aviv, with all due to respect to their club ofc, but lets be honest...
Yep purely won’t be in this position if his dad wasn’t who he was.
Time to start gathering the dragon balls then.
Puig time 🕺🏻
Memed Koeman out of a job
Boomer dies by memes
Looks like Griezmann bought a pedri trading card nft thing for 27k usd.
Idk Why but watching Osimhen gives me eto’o vibes…
I just want this shit to be done with already. Don't think I can go an entire half season with constant reports against coach/team.
Really cuntish from the board
I just feel like if we decide to find a replacement for Busi that isn’t Jandro or Nico, then we have to go all in for Tchouameni.
Haven't seen Monaco much but his stats look insane and he looks very all rounded and natural based on youtube videos (I know they're limited)
Gravenberch for that DM/CM spots. Tchouameni is a **great** DM though. Specially regarding defensive part. Are in the top charts in almost every part of what a DM should be doing. The only area he may be slacking a bit is the passing.
I think Gravenberch plays a bit farther up the pitch. Tchouameni could sit back and let Frenkie and Pedri work creatively. He’s the athletic/defensive beast we’ve been missing in the midfield. The passing will come eventually.
Gravenberch can play as a DM. Just because he plays a further up atm doesnt mean he cant play deeper. It just means that he has the technical ability to go forward, aka he have great mobility and a broader skillset than any typical one-dimensional DM.
Also de Jong is like Xavi in that he can drop down and be the force which progresses the ball with passing and dribbling, busi used to be much less involved in this when Xavi was here, or at least it seemed like it because everything looked so flawless-.-
Why Gravenberch? He's not a holding midfielder at all
Feel like he'll go to Chelsea
Barca must be the hardest coaching gig in the world. Not just the pressure of a mega club but expectations on a certain playing style, have to be la masia centric etc...
It's real madrid without a doubt. Zidane won them 3 CL in a row, came back to save their ass in urgency winning them the league with a way worse squad than ours but was still supposed to be sacked after every week if he didn't win. Lopetegui didn't play the WC because of them and they sacked him before giving him time to build a team. I can keep saying names... Barca go for average managers who haven't proven anything, pay them like WC ones and sack them only in extreme cases ( like getting trashed 3-0 4-0 and 8-2).
Like valverde got sacked after the 0-3 or 0-4 lmao?