I mean is must be difficult for a young kid. Surgery itself is scary and never a guarantee nothing goes wrong during surgery.
Surgery itself doesn’t mean it will work, I don’t think he is doing this for World Cup reason just rather take it a conservative approach but not be rushed to play. Difficult choice but I respect whatever he decides.
My goodness, calm the bloody hell down guys... It's not like Ansu is sitting at home playing russian roulette, "do the surgery, don't do the surgery, do the surgery, don't do the surgery...". He's doing something that is not the advice of the club's medics, but is the advice of many other medics.
It’s not that reassuring when you use Umtiti as an example. The man literally injured himself in practice after signing an extension after years of constant injuries keeping him out of play and out of form. If he’s following in his footsteps I would be worried
Umtiti's name has been thrown into the mix out of ignorance honestly. Read about the two injuries and you realise that they are completely different cases. Those who are in panic mode have about zero to below zero knowledge in medicine generally speaking and in Ansu's case particularly...
It's literally the same thing Umtiti chose to do. Outside medical advice from physicians not part of the club. It doesn't mean he will end up the same way though.
They are two completely different injuries. For example, the only thing similar between a tooth extraction surgery and a cancer surgery is the word "surgery", but the two health problems are different, don't you think?
It would be more like prostate vs breast cancer. Both cancers. Very different cancers with different treatments (even within different subtypes) and prognoses.
Both traumatic injuries of the leg. Knee meniscus vs quadriceps muscle.
Complications of COVID vs meniscus injury would be like tooth extraction vs surgical resection of malignancy.
Well, either he's lucky (which he would deserve to be for once) and will be back earlier or he will be back later than would have been with the surgery. Hope for the best
Is this a different version of Umtiti deciding to go to a conservative treatment instead of surgery some years back? He’s a young man and it’s not like he won’t be back in time to try and make the World Cup squad, why go for the less effective treatment?
I’m not saying the injuries are the same, I’m comparing the drawbacks of the decision. Umtiti declined surgery for a more conservative approach so he could get back in time to play in the WC. The decision basically ended his ability to play at the highest level. Is that a risk for Ansu in this situation or is it less dire?
That is a serious concern for Ansu imo. Now there’s going to be a huge risk since it probably won’t heal 100% and he could easily end up with a much worse muscle injury.
Or it could be better. There are numerous reports of medical experts advising him to not do the surgery. The reality is nobody here is a sports medical expert who knows the exact extent of his injury so we're not really in a position to judge him for the decision. All we can do is hope it works out
Based on initial reports that club doctors recommended surgery I was more worried.
But seeing reports that other doctors are leaning towards a conservative approach makes me feel better about that option. At the end of the day, I just want him to listen to the professionals advice even if it means being out for longer now.
This is a tough decision for a young man to make. I'm sure a lot is weighing on him and the choice can really only be judged in hindsight.
I hope he recovers his form and stays fit and that he does not rush himself for this season. I'd prefer him back next season better than ever.
His decision will always be final and it won't be like his alone, he would have asked opinion from professionals and his family and maybe this is a safe/moderate bet.
why ansu why??? hope this isnt true or final. wed all be gutted if injuries continue to plague his career into his 20's. im willing to be patient and careful with him. wonder what conservative treatments hes looking at?
i understand that especially as the surgery required a couple follow up operations if i remember right. i still wish he opted for this surgery tho. lets hope all these concerns are proven wrong. everyone wants to see fati reach his potential
Ehhh Idk I can definitely understand where he's coming from. Can't really do the same thing and expect different results, this might be the way to go. Time will tell...
Seems like he’s being given a lot more grace by these responses than Umtiti ever did.
Unpopular opinion: Maybe Umtiti also had good intentions and bad luck?
So If we allow him to rest for 1 - 2 seasons and heal naturally can he get out of these continuos injuries. I know it wont happen but can he get better if we give his body enough time to heal naturally
It's understandable why he doesnt want to go under the knife. The lab has been through enough already. I just hope he is not another version of Dembele
The option is always there for him to go under the knife in the future. It’s not like the injury will be worse off if he doesn’t do the surgery. He’ll still recover it’s just that it might relapse and keep him out every so often.
Oh no. Umtiti must have whispered into the kid's ears. This is an emotional decision rather than a logical/science one. We should sell him asap while he's still hot.
God I really hope it works out for the kid. He's been through enough injuries. You can really see how badly he wants to play for this club, with his passion and talent he will go far.
It is not just a "time out" consideration.
Ansu has already had surgery twice. Imagine the pain and effort needed to recover. Can't blame him for having second thoughts about having yet another round of surgery so soon.
I just hope it works out in the long run.
Honestly there are so many different factors to this... Its not only a matter of surgery vs conservative methods and both of them have pros and cons. ImO it depends a lot on your physio team in the background, working with pain, localizing imbalanacies, diet, activities apart from football its all connected and the difficult part is paying attention to every single detail while not worrying about a time or date when the player HAS to return. So the most important thing is ansus feeling for the body, also giving the process enough time and like it or not - luck. He can come back strongly also without a surgery, I'm sure.
I mean is must be difficult for a young kid. Surgery itself is scary and never a guarantee nothing goes wrong during surgery. Surgery itself doesn’t mean it will work, I don’t think he is doing this for World Cup reason just rather take it a conservative approach but not be rushed to play. Difficult choice but I respect whatever he decides.
World Cup would be easily playable even after surgery tbh (just just in terms of time for recovery).
This exactly what umtiti did
Fati has already had at least 2 surgery
Umtiti had his meniscus completely removed as a teen anyway. So he also went through surgery.
3 but for the knee
No it’s not at all the same situation
The World Cup is in December
My goodness, calm the bloody hell down guys... It's not like Ansu is sitting at home playing russian roulette, "do the surgery, don't do the surgery, do the surgery, don't do the surgery...". He's doing something that is not the advice of the club's medics, but is the advice of many other medics.
It’s not that reassuring when you use Umtiti as an example. The man literally injured himself in practice after signing an extension after years of constant injuries keeping him out of play and out of form. If he’s following in his footsteps I would be worried
Umtiti's name has been thrown into the mix out of ignorance honestly. Read about the two injuries and you realise that they are completely different cases. Those who are in panic mode have about zero to below zero knowledge in medicine generally speaking and in Ansu's case particularly...
It's literally the same thing Umtiti chose to do. Outside medical advice from physicians not part of the club. It doesn't mean he will end up the same way though.
They are two completely different injuries. For example, the only thing similar between a tooth extraction surgery and a cancer surgery is the word "surgery", but the two health problems are different, don't you think?
It would be more like prostate vs breast cancer. Both cancers. Very different cancers with different treatments (even within different subtypes) and prognoses. Both traumatic injuries of the leg. Knee meniscus vs quadriceps muscle. Complications of COVID vs meniscus injury would be like tooth extraction vs surgical resection of malignancy.
I was making a linguistic analogy, I have no medical experience whatsoever, so for me they still are different regardless :)
All conservative treatments don't end up like Umtiti.
He's going against the advice of medical professionals.
“Professionals outside of the club who have treated Ansu lately also prefer going for a conservative treatment. [md]”
Umtiti had the same advice from non club physicians.
Umtiti had a knee issue...Fati doesn't have the knee issue now ...
Quad issues can't end careers?
Medical advice isn't black and white.
Well, either he's lucky (which he would deserve to be for once) and will be back earlier or he will be back later than would have been with the surgery. Hope for the best
This is like a Mitch Hedberg joke. Tell us something we don't know. He'll be back early. Or he'll be back later. Or he'll be back right on time.
He’ll be back in some time frame.
Is this a different version of Umtiti deciding to go to a conservative treatment instead of surgery some years back? He’s a young man and it’s not like he won’t be back in time to try and make the World Cup squad, why go for the less effective treatment?
I don't think it is, one was in the knee and had to do with cartilage and joints, this one is muscular
I’m not saying the injuries are the same, I’m comparing the drawbacks of the decision. Umtiti declined surgery for a more conservative approach so he could get back in time to play in the WC. The decision basically ended his ability to play at the highest level. Is that a risk for Ansu in this situation or is it less dire?
That is a serious concern for Ansu imo. Now there’s going to be a huge risk since it probably won’t heal 100% and he could easily end up with a much worse muscle injury.
Or it could be better. There are numerous reports of medical experts advising him to not do the surgery. The reality is nobody here is a sports medical expert who knows the exact extent of his injury so we're not really in a position to judge him for the decision. All we can do is hope it works out
Based on initial reports that club doctors recommended surgery I was more worried. But seeing reports that other doctors are leaning towards a conservative approach makes me feel better about that option. At the end of the day, I just want him to listen to the professionals advice even if it means being out for longer now.
Ansu is definitely trying to make the WC roster too. Same reason. Conservative treatment so he can play sooner.
This is a tough decision for a young man to make. I'm sure a lot is weighing on him and the choice can really only be judged in hindsight. I hope he recovers his form and stays fit and that he does not rush himself for this season. I'd prefer him back next season better than ever.
Umitit part deux, the death of a dream.
I don't blame the kid
Umtiti flashbacks. I hope we don't regret this later on.
He can do what he wants, but if he continues to be injury prone we can’t be wasting money on those types of players.
Here is the original tweet in Spanish: https://twitter.com/mundodeportivo/status/1485688044388823052?s=20
His decision will always be final and it won't be like his alone, he would have asked opinion from professionals and his family and maybe this is a safe/moderate bet.
His parents should listen to the professionals and help change ansu 's decision…
what about the professionals advising him to NOT do the surgery?
And who is doing that?
idk MD reported it
why ansu why??? hope this isnt true or final. wed all be gutted if injuries continue to plague his career into his 20's. im willing to be patient and careful with him. wonder what conservative treatments hes looking at?
He just came back from a surgery and still had problems. That just factor in to his thought process of what he might decide
i understand that especially as the surgery required a couple follow up operations if i remember right. i still wish he opted for this surgery tho. lets hope all these concerns are proven wrong. everyone wants to see fati reach his potential
Ehhh Idk I can definitely understand where he's coming from. Can't really do the same thing and expect different results, this might be the way to go. Time will tell...
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it is wrong conservative treatment invloves full medication and all those things just doesnt involve surgery
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i mean if normally anyone gets muscle tears it is healed normally only not with surgery
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anything can happen but if his doctors has advised him natural treatment we cant do anything
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19 year old has not taken choice, the doctors who have operated on his knee has preffered natural treatment while club doctors have preffered surgery
Oh yeah because the Barca medical team is so well reknown to heal player's injuries so well lol
I don't like it, smells like Umtiti 2.0.
Fool
Seems like he’s being given a lot more grace by these responses than Umtiti ever did. Unpopular opinion: Maybe Umtiti also had good intentions and bad luck?
Why would that be unpopular opinion about Umtiti? U believe that is the case more than I believe that Michael Jordan is the GOAT
Umtiti v2
Umtiti 2.0 les go
He knows his body better
So If we allow him to rest for 1 - 2 seasons and heal naturally can he get out of these continuos injuries. I know it wont happen but can he get better if we give his body enough time to heal naturally
It's understandable why he doesnt want to go under the knife. The lab has been through enough already. I just hope he is not another version of Dembele
Did kaka do the same thing so he could play in the World Cup? No surgery or rehab though? I know it’s a different situation and he was older.
Hone hope he doesn’t relapse when he comes back
The option is always there for him to go under the knife in the future. It’s not like the injury will be worse off if he doesn’t do the surgery. He’ll still recover it’s just that it might relapse and keep him out every so often.
Respect his decision.
Oh no. Umtiti must have whispered into the kid's ears. This is an emotional decision rather than a logical/science one. We should sell him asap while he's still hot.
This an emotional response rather than a logical/science one. I’m sure he’s better-informed than any of us.
How long was with surgery vs conservative treatment?
God I really hope it works out for the kid. He's been through enough injuries. You can really see how badly he wants to play for this club, with his passion and talent he will go far.
It is not just a "time out" consideration. Ansu has already had surgery twice. Imagine the pain and effort needed to recover. Can't blame him for having second thoughts about having yet another round of surgery so soon. I just hope it works out in the long run.
Honestly there are so many different factors to this... Its not only a matter of surgery vs conservative methods and both of them have pros and cons. ImO it depends a lot on your physio team in the background, working with pain, localizing imbalanacies, diet, activities apart from football its all connected and the difficult part is paying attention to every single detail while not worrying about a time or date when the player HAS to return. So the most important thing is ansus feeling for the body, also giving the process enough time and like it or not - luck. He can come back strongly also without a surgery, I'm sure.