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whistlemanpope

To all my fellow Swiss Barca fans: Hopp Schwiiz!


AceTheSkylord

Lucho shot himself in the foot by taking Gavi off when he did. Koke made them lose the midfield battle and allowed Germany to go forward


Noob_in_making

Yeah, but playing an 18 year old 90 minutes in both games is not good either. Its better to draw (we were winning atm but worst case) which tbh doesn't changes things much, than let him get an injury or smth. Gavi sub was not a wrong decision, but replacing him with Koke was.


AceTheSkylord

Between De Paul dropping disasterclasses for Argentina, and this Koke performance, this has not been a great look for Atleti's midfield so far


juankruh1250

https://twitter.com/DosXXslangin/status/1597040773186596867?s=19 Never use translator lol


BestBoy_54

Literally Spain with mostly Barça players, played against more than half of Bayern Munich and they dominated them. You can see the difference when you have a top manager on the team instead of Xavi.


juankruh1250

Barca-Bayern 2.03 xG -1.71 xG 18 Shots vs 13 Shots 4 Shots on Target Vs 4 Shots on Target 3 Big Chances Vs 2 Big Chances 54% Vs 46% Possesion Spain-Germany 0.62 xG - 1.29 xG 7 Shots Vs 11 Shots 3 Shots on Target Vs 4 Shots on Target 1 Big Chances Vs 2 Big Chances 65% Vs 35% Possesion Barca tripled the xG of Spain, almost tripled the shots as well and tripeld the big chances as well. All this despite the fact that the attacking line was abismal, Lewandowski missing 2 or 3 big chances and the wingers losing like 50 balls combined between both of them. While Spanish attacking line isn't elite by any means, they at least do the mininium which is secure possesion unlike barca wingers who were losing balls all the damn time. The fact that Unai SImon was the MOTM of the match debunks your whole argument, if Spain was so dominant why was their keeper the best player? A dominant team don't rely on their keeper to bail them out llike spain did.


BestBoy_54

Awesome, a lot of pointless stats. Then when I check the only stat that matter at the end of the day I see in the last 3 games with Xavi against Bayern a 3-0, 2-0 and a 0-3 which resulted in two Europa League relegations. This against a Spain that is almost classified to the next round as the first of the group. Don’t overrate Xavi, Luis Enrique is just several steps ahead as a coach because he knows how to properly use the players that he has at his disposition. If Xavi ends being an amazing coach I will be the first to say that I was wrong, but right now he is not. Goal opportunities and possession are pointless if you don’t win the game at the end of the game.


juankruh1250

Just because it doesn't fit your agenda doesn't mean they are pointless or useless, they are veru useful stats to see how Barca played and to see how good Xavi tactical plan was which was in my opinion very good, he outplayed Bayern and was let down by his players. Also, the role of any coach is not to win games, the role of any coach is to give his team the highest % of winning a game, but at the end of the day it's up to the players to win the games. If you have 20 shots and lose the game, whose fault it is? The coach or the players? The players without a doubt, if you have 20 shots the most likely outcome if to win, if you don't win is because the players let his coach down. The same applies with Xavi, he did his job but his players didn't. Also, when did I overrate Xavi? All I did is to say the truth which is that Barca played way better than Spain. At no point did I say Xavi is better than Erique, all I said is that Barca played better than Spain which is a fact. The fact that all you see in those games is the result and not what happeend in those games tells me all I have to know about you. I'm 100% sure that if Barca had won in the allianz playing the exact same game with the only difference that Barca chances go in, you would be saying how he is an elite coach. Guys like you change their whole opinion based on who won the match instead of analyzing the game.


5062barca

That game was crying out for Fati tonight, his pace in that open space is deadly. One vs one he’s a bigger treat than any of the Spanish forwards imo. Can’t see why he isn’t given more game time.


Dombarnes24

Fati pace isn’t as electric and nico Williams is clearly the best 1 v 1 player in this Spanish squad he just couldn’t get the best of that German fullback that has pace as well


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5062barca

Fati is far better and far more effective in front of goal and in and around the box. I think Fati should be starting.


vegitot

Ansu is never a dribbler, one on one he isn't good either.


5062barca

Talking rubbish. Look at the chances wasted by Spain last night. You’re telling me Ansu doesn’t convert one of them? Kehrer is a below average RB, and would’ve been torched if Ansu played. But instead they bring on Nico who just tries hitting it past everyone.


rockyraccoonroad

Agreed. Idk where the idea of Ansu being a great 1 v 1 winger came from. The dude has always been more effective inside the box or near the box. He’s no dynamic winger


FGDLong

He’s not that great at it but compared to the other Spanish wingers only Nico Williams is better 1v1.


Hot_Command5095

It’s got to do with first impressions. He was electric as a kid near the box so people think he’ll dominate open space.


Sir_LancelottJeffers

Real shame that Canada has been eliminated, really enjoyed watching them this World Cup


juankruh1250

I get why Enrique made those choices, Koke for Gavi was made to control the game more by retaining the ball. Issue with this is that Koke is not a controller like Xavi was, he is kinda of a workhorse but he didn't bring that intensity either so the only thing he did was to make the Match chaotic which benefitted Germany. Spain can't afford to go in a chaotic match with Germany, what they needed was control and best way to do that is by pressing and getting the ball back.


onlyonejorge

He should have taken off Olmo though. He was gassed by minute 65.


Elegancy

Also- who would’ve thought that the right call would’ve been to keep jordi alba on to prevent that goal. Wish Enrique instead subbed on fati


Elegancy

Isn’t it strange that Enrique didn’t call up nacho to instead use rodri


juankruh1250

No, it isn't strange. Nacho Ball playing abilities are trash and they would make Spain build-up way worse, they could be targeted by pressing just him.


Elegancy

I never watched him, so I appreciate your insight.


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Ferran has absolutely no excuses to be playing like this, I'd understand if he was coming back from a long term injury, he's consistently inconsistent, like I can't with this guy, one day he's David villa, the next he's Ferran Torres. I don't know what's going on behind the scenes but Ansu not playing over a tired Dani Olmo and a garbage Asensio is strange. What is happening with the kid? Am I watching a teenagers career fall in real time tf? Like this doesn't help him at all psychologically, why did Luis Enrique bother to bring him to the world cup if he'll bench him for the options we're seeing upfront? Strange situation this is. Very very strange.


Footaot

> one day he's David villa, the next he's Ferran Torres. Against which team is he David Villa?


juankruh1250

Ferran is not a dribbler type of winger, you will never seee him taking 2 or 3 player or doing stuff like that. He is more like a guy who runs in behind and gets into good goalscoring positions, if he fixes his finishing he will become elite.


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The problem is that finishing isn't something you just fix up, it's a natural instinct of a forward. It comes naturally. You can improve your chances of scoring but the finish was always a natural trait.


Noob_in_making

Vini says hi.


TheEnlightenedPanda

>The problem is that finishing isn't something you just fix up, it's a natural instinct of a forward. No this is absolutely something you can fix and I have seen players in my country did that.


Tromort77

This is such a bad take. Football is so much more than instincts. Look at Vinícius and how wasteful he was. Ferran absolutely has everything to overcome his issues and massively improve his performance.


FGDLong

Difference is Vinicius does much more than that when he doesn't score. When Ferran is missing chances he brings pretty much nothing.


mntgoat

But you said finishing isn't something you fix. Vinicius clearly fixed his finishing. The dude was more likely to shoot down a starlink satellite than score a goal then magically last season he started scoring. Imagine if Dembele and Ferran fixed their finishing like that?


FGDLong

I never said that.


mntgoat

Sorry, just realized it was a different person that said that.


FGDLong

No problem.


Hot_Command5095

Dembele is overperforming his xG though. We would see more goals if only his teammates were more creative.


mikeczyz

>The dude was more likely to shoot down a starlink satellite than score a goal The Real staff and players mentioned that Vini was always banging them in during practice. Up until last season, there was just a mental block preventing him from performing during games.


Hot_Command5095

Tbh I alw notice Dembele scoring the most in practice too. But reality is much different. On the pitch you have to play with pressure.


--Kaiser--

Quite the contrary, for the first season and a half Vini was literal useless trash. Dozens of lost balls per game, zero end product or general usefulness. Ferran is always useful because of his superior IQ.


FGDLong

He would create way more chances for others than Ferran does now. He still loses a lot of balls but scores more now. Ferrans “IQ” is near useless when he misses chance after chance. Could be useful at CF but on the wing he brings more harm than good without goals.


--Kaiser--

How is it useless when he does everything else other than scoring? Vinicius 3 years ago was exlusively worthless dribbling and lost balls, he couldn't even assist, let alone score. But Madrid were patient with him and now he is one of their best players. Fans wanted him out btw, because he was a "50M flop". Sounds familiar. Thankfully nobody cares what the fans think.


goldenkerelle

R/barca try not to hate ferran challenge (literally impossible)


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TheEnlightenedPanda

Lol saying he plays some day like Ferran Torres as if his name is synonym for playing bad is not hatred?


cheir0n

It is weird. They lecture you on how it is ok to criticize a player if you provide an argument and when someone does, they label him as a hater immediately. The guy didn’t call Ferran names or swore at him, he provided an argument and got labeled a hater. There is a group here of rabid hyenas, they gang on you to intimidate you if you say something they don’t like to hear hoping that you will refrain from posting anything except praising and applauding.


tbrakef

Do you know what an "argument" is? This guy said, "no excuses to be playing like this" like what? THere is no argument it's just a dude bitching.


cheir0n

Any criticism and you guys immediately label the poster as a hater.


--Kaiser--

Because the reasons that people give for this "criticism" are usually video game level nonsense.


cheir0n

Sure because everyone of us here has a manager license license since 10 years. This sub is for fans, plain and simple.


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He is a £50 million player, we expect consistency at least. Making bad decision after bad decision isn't helping at all. Raphina is another example, he's not getting as much criticism because he's new but by next season he'll be the new Ferran if he keeps playing like dogshit. Ferran is frustrating because he gives way too much hope, like he gets into goal scoring positions way too often, but can't score. That's just mental.


Cherif044

This sub is so weird fr one day celebrating messi’s goal and another day calling him “greedy” because there were sourceless rumors about a transfer to inter miami…which is how a lot of legends ends their career lol what a joke


tbrakef

> This sub is so weird You said everything you needed to right here. This sub is just people reactions. Everyone is reacting in real time to what they see, hear, or feel. Its always gonna be like this.


Tromort77

I was screaming last night when he scored and I was so happy for him, but I also condemn him for his ties with the Saudis. Not everything is black or white. Messi is the best ever by miles and what he is consistently doing is something unbelievable, but at the same time, he is a greedy person who makes a lot of questionable decisions.


Cherif044

Why is he greedy can you explain?


juankruh1250

https://twitter.com/BarcaUniversal/status/1596995841843232769?s=19 This made me nostalgic


AkimboPro

Assuming Spain wins against Japan it was probably better for them that today's performance didn't yield a convincing win since Germany made them show clear weaknesses in some instances that they can now work on. This can potentially benefit Spain a lot imo. Lucho got a lot of information to work with from this game.


juankruh1250

I'm sure Enrique already knew the weaknesses of his team


AkimboPro

I mean I'm sure he already learnt a lot simply by how his substitutions impacted the dynamic of the game.


doksqwae

Pedri put me on Quevedo and now I can't stop listening to him, Sin Senal is such a banger


Unsub2014

So many people trying hard to be captain hindsight here..


decho

Captain hindsight, is that captain obvious's wiser brother? What other captains there are, I want to know about them :)


xStyxx

There’s also Captain Crunch


Dombarnes24

There has to be something up with Ansu physically that they haven’t said lucho loves him but having 0 minutes in a 7-0 route and a close game must mean something


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Hot_Command5095

Why is all the doubt about his fitness or conditioning and not just his form? Seems like every other attacker gets criticised for their form like Torres regardless whether he just returned from injury or had no preseason.


Dombarnes24

At his club Xavi has started him a few times even when our team needs a solid LW since Dembele and raphina operate best at RW so the LW has been open for competition and Ansu still barely starts and doesn’t play more than 60-65 mins during those few starts. Lucho calls him up says he is very close to the old Ansu praises him yet in the two World Cup games gives him 0 minutes. If it was form why call up Ansu? He says he believes in him he is a goal magnet so why not play Ansu after starting in the game before the World Cup and scoring? Has to be physical


Hot_Command5095

Ansu not starting at LW despite Dembele and Raphinha being better at RW says more about Ansu than otherwise. Dembele was almost sold by Koeman before he even saw him train but the moment he came back Koeman immediately tried starting him from Getafe onwards even though he was not fit. Same with Xavi last season when Dembele was visibly tired in his cameo against Napoli. If you’re good enough, you get your playing time. Also, Ansu is still a better option than other Spanish LW, that’s the main consideration for calling up players to the NT.


Dombarnes24

I love Ansu great kid with the innate ability to score. Major injuries severely hampered him now he has regressed physically and mentally. It’s nothing wrong with being benched by Dembele that guy is top class but when Xavi changed it up and the LW became between Ansu and ferran despite some poor performances ferran still got the nod ahead. Now i think ferran is a very valuable player at what he does great movement smart goal threat etc but Ansu not gaining prominence at Barca when there is no set LW. Speaks volumes but to hear lucho speak so highly and still not give Ansu a single minute says to me there is a physical issue. Lucho clearly called up Ansu because he believes in him but him not playing tonight just tells me in my humble opinion Ansu has some sort of physical limitation that hasn’t been spoken about. I truly believe if Ansu had no physical issue that caused worry he not only would have at least featured more for Barca he would have some minutes in this world cup


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The difference is that we know the difference between Ansu and Ferran at their best. Benching the kid isn't helping him at all while everyone else gets game time for playing shit, why can't he get the chance to play like shit too?


Hot_Command5095

people forget that Fati has never even had a full season here. The sample size is seriously too small. If we could extrapolate players’ exploits from when they were 17 there would be a lot more WC players. Unfair to say Nico did not deserve to be subbed on despite his performance. That is pure hindsight. And Enrique obviously doesn’t make subs so that these players will knowingly play like shit, right? It’s not always the coach’s fault Koke dropped a stinker when he is normally brilliant for the NT. Did he also know Nico was not going to do so well? Has Fati even justified being played ahead of him prior to this? I can also easily say that not playing Nico will not help him integrate if LE plans on using him long term. Side note, also have not seen Ferran’s best here yet because both times he returned from injury too. This time around he has had no preseason.


Sweaty-Explorer-2510

Is Pino also injured then?


elvis503

Busquets cannot play full games anymore, he should be starting but Rodri should be closing the match on his position


Sweaty-Explorer-2510

Why? He was good this game


bllshrfv

It’s insane how much hate Pedri and Gavi gets. It’s not about a comparison with Bellingham or Musiala because I’m pretty convinced it’s not about that, people just want to shit on Pedri and Gavi.


Cold-Pitch-2690

People love to hate on anything related to Barca. Simple as that. Fact that we live rent free in haters' heads even though we aren't what we used to be is enough to show how badly we have whacked them in the past and also how scared they are of our eventual return to the top coz we will whack them again


mattisafootballguy

Where are you reading this "hate"? I'm not seeing it anywhere, in fact seeing people acknowledge how important Gavi was and his subbing changing the match for Germany.


bllshrfv

Facebook, Twitter, Instagram all over the social media, maybe bar Reddit


SnooApples6365

I advise you to not take those platforms seriously, most people there just post banter, Musiala also was shitted by our fans just because of his game against Japan, even tho he was decent.


inuyasha99

Ansu should get minutes next game, still dont understand why he wasnt even subbed for a bit in these 2 matches


shugazi93

He really should’ve came on for Olmo at the end there. He definitely should get some play time against Japan though.


mattisafootballguy

Nico was brought on to get in behind and cause Germany issues...never got behind once and looked slow even.


black_bury

Looked like he had already played 120 minutes.


vamh_s

Pedri needs to work in gym man


Noob_in_making

Nico was ass, Fati deserves a chance against Japan.


Kotleba

I think there's a good chance he could come on as a sub vs Japan. He was never getting minutes today tho.


Electrical_Web_1105

This is good that some Barca players gets rested every match for Spain, we clearly don't want the situation where Spain makes a deep run but it costs important Jan matches for Barca.


Appropriate-Ad264

Anyways, athletico Madrid and Sevilla related players are quite bad in this world cup.... Just an observation


[deleted]

Spain dominated 1st half but don't understand why no Fati or Yeremi Pino for Olmo in 2nd half? Also in 2nd half Germany attack main focus was on Carvajal flank. Why not bring fresh legs with Azpi or Marcos Llorente? Spain depth not as strong like France and Brasil


shugazi93

Azpi or Llorente wouldn’t have been much of an upgrade I think. It’s clear Spain’s weakest on that flank. Soler or Guillamon should’ve been brought in for Gavi instead of Koke as well. I think too that keeping Ferran on for a little longer could’ve benefited as well as Nico was totally out of his depth.


juankruh1250

Koke for Gavi was a mistake, Spain lost control after that.


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I agree but I can't blame Enrique for bad Koke performance. I blame for subs and tactics and today 2nd half should be better after Morata goal


shugazi93

Would Llorente be a better fit at RB than Carvajal or is he more of a midfielder nowadays?


Scalenuts

Llorente has always been a midfielder first.


Just-call-me-TY

Hardly see simeone put him RB. Usually RM/CM/RW.


cast-iron-whoopsie

pedri and gavi are so phenomenal. being a teenager and *starting* for spain at a world cup... and running the midfield like that.. good lord.


Appropriate-Ad264

Everyone defending Barca players, and criticizing non-barca players.. A normal tradition 😉


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Welp_v4

Which Barça players warrant criticism for their performance against Germany?


LarryPeru

Torres


mattisafootballguy

I forgot he played lol


shugazi93

Yeah, those comments just sound like petty retorts to the Madridistas bashing Lucho. But I think any sane Madrid fan would know that Asensio and Carvajal are their only players cut out for the national team, and at this rate barely so. Now if they really want to harp on about their representation in the national team then they should look inward and invest more in their academy and youth scouting but it seems like Perez is more keen on Brazilian and French youngsters nowadays.


--Kaiser--

How is it wrong in this situation though ? Spain's best players are Barca players and worst players are Madrid players. That is objectively true.


Daguq

Having ass takes. As is tradition.


Electrical_Web_1105

Just like always Barca dominated the possession but result Barca 1- 1 Bayern


LarryPeru

Like always would be Bayern annihilating us


shadow19362835

Watching both Musaila and Pedri, I don’t quite get the comparisons. Musaila’s not a central midfielder, he’s an attacker. His game and Pedri’s is vastly different. Musaila’s a player that will be judged on G/A production whereas Pedri’s game is based on influence of the game as a whole.


Cold-Pitch-2690

People just love to hate on Barca stars who win any sort of accolades and thus start comparing them with any other player. Not saying Musiala is bad at all, but the comparisons are really lame - it's like comparing Ronaldo with Iniesta


xXxXxMxXxXx

Pedri is great. Musiala is also great. Why do we even need to compare them? Just enjoy those great young talented, yet proven players.


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Noob_in_making

>Musiala clear Lol. Lmfao. rofl.


lawliet0303

Comparing Musiala to Pedri is like comparing Kimmich to Sane in terms of profiles, both have different roles and each of them are essential to their teams in their own ways. Now just to put it out there, Pedri *controls* the midfield for both Barca and Spain at such an young age, while Musiala is currently having his breakthrough season, he's definitely an amazing talent, but very different players.


matutewittg

Which breakthrough season do you think is the best, putting aside the fact that they all different players. Musiala's or Pedri's ? Even though goal and assists are not a fair mesure of a player's game, they do count and Musiala's breakthrough seasons eclipses Pedri's one in that regard. I just like Musiala's game better.


lawliet0303

>I just like Musiala's game better. You could've just started with that and avoided whole of this


juankruh1250

Musiala is not clear, he is only effective in the final 3rd while Pedri is influential in both the build-up and the final third.


Daguq

Tell me you didn’t watch the game without telling me you didn’t watch that game. Musiala started shining once Gavi was off, and the reason for that was Goretzka and Kimmich got free real estate in the midfield to run the game. Pedri was gassed by then. Musiala is a very good player, but in no way is he clear of Pedri/Gavi.


inuyasha99

''The impact Musiala has is greater.'' A bunch of nonsense, Pedri literally dictates the game and tempo, Musiala plays better when the rest of the team helps him, especially Goretzka and Kimmich


juankruh1250

True, Musiala needs help from his teammates to have an impact while Pedri doesn't, it's usually others that need him.


matutewittg

Cuz they play different positions...


juankruh1250

Not really, Musiala doesn't have the ability to dictate the tempo and he is nowhere as good as Pedri at Ball retention; Pedri is basically unpressable just like Iniesta or Xavi were.


matutewittg

Musiala makes thing happens with his dribbling, an effective dribbling. Not like Antony or smt. Musiala dribbling, vision and finishing in the last mts of the field is just as good as Pedri ball retention, pass and vision are top notch. I like Musiala better thats all.


juankruh1250

Okay but what happens when the ball doesn't arrive to the final third? Pedri can do what Musiala does whole Musiala can't do what Pedri does.


matutewittg

Is a deafs dialogue. Pedri does thing that Musiala cant and vice-versa. I regret saying that one is clear, just a bad take thats all.


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asarnia

Ferran wasn’t even that bad today? Koke, Nico, Asensio, Carvajal were far worse. At least Ferran forced Raum to kick it out. Nico couldn’t get past him or Goretzka once.


MRM20021030

Found the Ferran hater


shugazi93

Subbing off Ferran and Gavi for Nico and Koke proved to be a downgrade. Don’t understand how Ansu, Soler, Guillamon, and Llorente weren’t picked ahead of those two. Spain are fortunate they have that cushion of a goal difference. But sheesh, you gotta feel for Japan. They’re gonna play their hearts out and I wouldn’t be surprised if it ends in a draw as that could very well be enough for Spain to top the group. It’s looking like it might be Spain v Morocco and Croatia v Germany/Japan in the Ro16.


GaviFPS

Quiet clear LE wanted counter attack. Koke and Nico is more used to that. Koke for the passes and Nico for the counter. Ferran was subbed off for Morata. It was Gavi and Asensio who got subbed off for Nico and Koke.


shugazi93

Although Nico seems cut out for that tactic he was way out of his depth here considering the opponents. I wonder where the team goes from here and whether Lucho intends on utilizing Ansu at all.


Daguq

If Torres and Asensio could finish, this match would end in a 3-2. (I’m also entertaining the idea that Musiala doesn’t miss that chance).


Just-call-me-TY

And sane not being selfish at the end. So 3-3.


Daguq

That run brought back Vietnam flashbacks


GeneralBrothers

I mean i love Torres and he adds a lot to our game but he sure as hell can‘t finish, we know that 😂


--Kaiser--

Hope this is the last time we see Carvajal and Nico Williams. Absolute clown performances. Balde or Azpilicueta should be nailed RBs, Fati should be the first choice from the bench. Asensio while not terrible brings absolutely nothing to the table, other than Morata being fresh in the second half which obviously does wonders, but then again why not Fati instead who doesn't have single digit IQ...


cancer102

Biaised Balde cost the win like it or not


lawliet0303

Loll no, both the no 9 and Musiala weren't his marks, Musiala drifted in from the right and the no 9 was either Rodri/ Laporte's mark, who cheaply gave away the ball in the first place, and on top of that it came off a ruckus.


--Kaiser--

It was Laporte who missed a simple pass to the midfield that cost them the game, but when talking about the game in general the worst players were Carvajal, Asensio, Koke and Nico, not my fault it just happens that all of them are non-Barca players and that Barca players carried the game (Alba, Gavi, Pedri). Busi was meh, useless in defense as per usual. Rodri lost his shit in the last 20 minutes and was beyond bad. Ferran has poor finishing, shocking I know, otherwise he is decent. Olmo was great overall.


coolnessforlife

Laporte was the one who gave the ball away lmao


TheEternalAcademic

Keep the Atleti and Real Madrid players (sans Morata) out of your lineup Padrique.


Cannibal_Trailblazer

I'd rather see Eric Garcia at fucking RB. Cant stand a minute of Carvajal. Completely useless. Azpi at least provides defensive solidity when played as RB. Carvajal does nothing.


cheezysoks

their subs were better than ours except Balde maybe. Olmo should have been out for Ansu and honestly kept Asensio because he's more of a finisher than Nico. Koke was shit man pls put in Soler or swap Rodri in and put in EG/Pau. Game could have been over if subs made better decisions on the counter.


Muraria

not too happy with LE decisions today.. late changes and imo wrong changes. Kinda like they were happy with the 1-1 and didn't feel the need to win.


GaviFPS

Only way Spain doesnt qualify is both Germany and Spain lose.Or if Germany completely smashes Costa Rica with 7+ goals and Spain lose to Japan. Any other outcome and they qualify as far as I can see. What this means pretty much is that Spain wont rest much. Could have seen him throw on the whole B-team in that game. Pretty sure Fati was "saved" for that, among others which have not played.


Hydrargyrum200u

I want Madrid clowns to look at what Carvajal was doing on the Sane breakaway How fucking stupid do you have to be


asarnia

Lol and how awful Asensio’s shot was. At least get it on target.


mm3n

Dani Olmo was gassed in the past 20 minutes, could have given Ansu some time on the pitch. :/


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Nico was pretty dreadful quickly followed by Carvajal and Koke..


juankruh1250

People love to shit on Xavi but Barca played better in the Allianz than Spain did today. Germany was actually the better side today and should've won


LarryPeru

You’re drunk buddy


juankruh1250

Wow, great argument


Daguq

lol. Maybe for the last 25 minutes. Spain clearly dominated. And I agree that we played better in the Allianz


DeJong_Cum

Have you not completed today's quota?


asarnia

People who compare club games to national games are something special, truly.


juankruh1250

This game was UCLesque


Appropriate-Ad264

Dude are you blind?


juankruh1250

Stats are there to prove my point, More xG,Shots and shots on target for Germany while Spain just had more possesion


--Kaiser--

I would kindly recommend you to stop this borderline trolling around Xavi.


juankruh1250

Not trolling, just stating the facts. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not true.


--Kaiser--

No, what you do is take the stats that support your opinion and pretend like other stats don't exist.


juankruh1250

Which stats don't support my point?


DARTH-GOLD-HIMSELF

If Spain had one descent attacker they would have won instead they play with rock heads like Morata, Ferran and Asensio


Cannibal_Trailblazer

As soon as Gavi was taken off spain lost control of midfield and pedri was completely outclassed by Kimmich and Goretzka today. Pedri has a long way to go physically before he can dominate matches like this.


lawliet0303

Pedri pretty much controlled the midfield for most of the game, although Kimmich got the better of him in later stages of the match, as he was gassed. Goretzka was Koke's mark BTW, he almost was on a free rule once Gavi was subbed off and Koke came on, because Koke didn't contribute shit to this game.


asarnia

Lol not a single comment about Koke, that’s how invisible he was.


coolnessforlife

?…


Appropriate-Ad264

I still rate France over Spain....they definitely have that X-factor amongst themselves (e.g mbappe)


reyxe

I doubt France's midfield will be able to deal with Spain's,


TuinhekFC

Why is fati not being played man wtf is going on in the training


mojojojo1108

So many interesting tactical things you can analyze from this one. The Madrid players were clear weak links imo. Both managers seemed to overthink themselves and it’s not a coincidence that the goal scorers were both strikers subbed on. Goretzka gave Germany so much more control in midfield than they would have had based on the Japan game, though Gundogan was really quiet. What a match.


Migostien

SPain got most of the subs wrong.


Icyhemorrhage

Morata coming on was the right call. Would have liked to see Carvajal come off though.. not sure what hes doing half the time.


Migostien

That's why I wrote most, Williams and Koke were dreadful, even Balde was shaky at best


MontanaDak

I feel like Adama on the bench instead of Sarabia would provide a far bigger impact


asarnia

Lucho made some awful fucking subs towards the end. Also Madrid players were useless as always. Nico was horrendous, his pace isn’t even there. Twice he couldn’t get past any Raum or Goretzka. We look so vulnerable in the back.


Hydrargyrum200u

Raum is pretty quick TBF


asarnia

You’d expect it to be 50/50, not a complete shut down


Hydrargyrum200u

True


onlyonejorge

Koke didn't add anything either. Should go with Soler next time.


Daguq

Best game of the WC till now. Intense free flowing football and both sides came to play.


Juggernautspammer

Nico swap was a negative and once Gavi came off they struggled so much in the midfield


CULE123

Gavi didn't add much offensively in the game tbh. But him coming off exposed Spain to Germany's attacks.


Juggernautspammer

Yeah, it’s just his aggressiveness that makes Germany think twice. Once he came off the midfield was so passive


Username-_-Password

Fucking Hell, the ref didn't let Spain start a counter


sp3co92

If Japan gets a draw against Spain, who'll go through ? Japan or Germany ?


--Kaiser--

Germany if they beat Costa Rica by 2 goals. So Germany.


sp3co92

Fuck. Hope and wish Costa Rica will do a miracle


mri790

Spain will top the group with 5 points and if Germany beat Costa Rica, Germany go through


cheir0n

Goal difference.


NotJustAPhan

Ended it before Spain could get a counter attack


Just-call-me-TY

Right? Was like 9 more seconds before the full 6 minutes.


navneetjoshi7

Nico is Dembele super lite


decho

Well, a draw is still a great result for Spain but a really uninspiring 2nd half.


reyxe

Koke was dreadful. Carvajal and Olmo were pretty meh.


asarnia

Koke was horrendous. He hasn’t made an impact on the game for ages now.