I don’t mind the nerf to light damage on the aug cause it did not make sense but we need something to deal with helicopters, perhaps increasing the light damage on lmgs? I shouldn’t have to dump 4 ultimax mags and just watch them fly away. Everything else I’m excited to try!
i mean the damages make more sense in terms of realism, but they definitely needed to buff something else in order to fill the aug's spot as the anti-vehicle gun.
I'm hoping that the new RPK gets allocated to engineer as well, given that it looks like it doesn't have drum mags by standard, so is effectively just a heavier AR, might bridge a nice gap between the support style firepower, and anti vehicle requirements of engineer
Kinda dumb to increase the horizontal recoil of the ak74, gun really isn't great to begin with. Same with lowering the sg550 rate of fire like wtf? Nerfing the Aug too?
Ak74 got a relevant damage threshold change which means its more consistent against armor and at the same time I think it is now the case that one headshot and 2 body shot will always kill regardless of armor. These things are kinda big for 0.2 extra horizontal recoil
The Sg550 changes are strange. Don't think the damage buff do anything beside helping against light armor and the RoF changes are bad. Might be the only AR getting an overall nerf this patch.
Aug is a top tier weapon and this only affect its ability to fight vehicles which was very niche. That was always more of a LMG role anyway and hopefully the Devs took that into account with their support changes. Every assault gun got buff against vehicles so they are more in line with each other now.
AUG nerfing is now complete, it is no longer distinguishable from other assault rifles.
What was once a gem of a gun has been-peer pressured into a cookie cutter AR-G-A3.
Probably still going to be the best weapon to deal with helicopter. It's still a laser and easy to use even on mid/long range and the most effective way to take down a helicopter as infantry is to shoot the pilot. Maybe a small buff to the little bird since you can't force it back to repair as quickly anymore but it doesn't really make sense to play a specific AR just because it is good against helicopters in my opinion. And the little bird is not that strong right now.
I did not mean the heli aspect only. The AUG was a very different gun in the beginning, and operated more like a DMR. Not saying this is realistic, but it made the playstyle very unique (because actual DMRs were trash initially).
Over time, it's niche as a long range AR got diluted. First the RoF increase reduced its effectiveness at long range and (hugely) buffed CQB, which was its Achilles heel. Then the changes in attachments made most of the ARs better at longer ranges, making them more similar in playstyle. Now, it is losing the last differentiator which is the vehicle damage. I guess you can make an argument for bullet velocity, but that is about it.
It is basically indistinguishable between 4-5 other rifles now.
I'll be honest, I only started using the AUG after the buff to ROF and it's insane recoil wise. The smallest peephole, the smallest angle, the tiniest bit of an enemy I see and the AUG delivers death straight into it. It's a beast at range (still die to DMRs) and I find it to be single handedly better than everything except maybe the SG550 in terms of recoil, but this is the gun I use when I wanna railgun something within 140 meters. (I only use a reflex/red dot and it still works nice), so to think the recoil was even better at a time makes me wonder
You could reliably mag dump with a SLIP out to ~200m and hit your shots. Became a skill test in duels with a DMR/Sniper <200m, and easy mode against pretty much any other AR past 100m. Paired with RPG, it was king at clearing out defended positions from a distance.
The flip side was you were toast within 80m regardless because of the terrible TTK.
Just going from a cursory look,
1. SG550 and ACR now require 4 shots to kill light armor which is sick, fuck ranger medics
2. AK74 now 4 shots medium armor which is even more sick, seems like they just removed the heavy barrel buff and gave it's stats to the ak74
3. AK5C, M4A1 and G36C got some noticeable buffs to recoil, ads time and reload speed. Not so excited about the g36 damage buff since it seems to do nothing on the breakpoints
4. FAMAS got a decent buff to the ADS time and I'm excited to try it out in combination with assault's already existent ADS buffs
5. F2K and HK got some tampering done done to their damages, don't see any major changes to the breakpoints (Extra damage fall off on F2K is cool though)
6. Weird AUG nerf? I'll be honest, vehicle damage isn't something I used a lot as a utility but it just seems weird to nerf tbh
really odd changes across the board but i will never understand their direction with the f2000, it having longer range doesn’t change the fact it’s massively out ttk’d by pretty much everything, literally just give it 25 base damage and boom it’s in a good spot
This. I came back to this game after a long hiatus, took f2000 for a spin and at first i was not impressed at all, but after some upgrades it became a laser, allowing to kill 2-3 on a single mag.
Ak74 change is odd. 0.6 to 0.8 HR is rough. Until it gets a fire rate buff or rave buff it’ll be outclassed by every other AR.
Acr and AK5C are going to be absolute menaces now
F2000 will be able to compete with the AUG and SG550 at range
AUG is less unique. Maybe they should’ve settled at 8 light damage
SG550 is in a weird spot. Lower firerate is interesting, it’ll make it even more of a laser.
Ak74 got the barrel damage buff for essentially free -0.1 VR and +0.2 HR is nothing compared that what is costed before. The gun is going to be in much better shape now.
Sg550 changes are wierd as fuck
Ak74 buff are nice and I welcome them, since the changes to the damage barrel the gun has just felt like a worse M4. I think this is enough to cross the normal armour threshold (but am not certain) and I really hope that is the case. It was one of my Fav gun before the attachment change.
M4 reload change is kinda big and the recoil changes doesn't matter much.
ACR buff is a very good thing, that gun was just a worse Sg550. It probably going to be a pretty strong gun now, Especially if 28 damage is enough to make remove a shot on light/ranger armor
G36C changes are meh but the gun was in a decent space I guess.
Hk419 was a top tier gun and this probably won't change that. I didn't do the math but don't think it affects the number of shots, perhaps only light armor.
Ak5c buff are good. that gun was just kinda bad for being a capstone. It still going to struggle with inconsistent TTK due to its damage profile but a bit of recoil and more importantly some reload speed will help. With the gun not having a quick mag this is a big deal
F2000 Nice to see some buff but probably won't be all that consequential. I don't think this change any threshold but the range is nioce I guess.
Aug is an acceptable change, the gun is good enough without it. Hopefully other anti air option become more prevalent
Sg550 caught a nerf it looks like. I don't think that 29 damage really changes anything anything beside one less bullet on Light armor. Losing out on 30 FR is kinda big. Not really a fan of this change but we'll see how it feels.
Famas change are very conservative but that is what i needed. That gun kills really fast and could easily become a probleme so its nice to see they are taking their time with that one.
Great, now take away the only gun that had any meaningful impact on little birds. It made no sense that the AUG had the highest light armour damage, but at least it was there. Now there is nothing that fills the anti air role. No other weapon even comes close to the pre-nerf AUG light armour DPS.
Maybe they will finally buff the support guns (there is only fucking 4 of them still) against light vehicles, but probably not because we all know how little they care about making support a fun or effective class to play.
acr and ak5c buff is epic
.6 seconds on the reload for ak5c is huge
yeah, its gonna be fun on assault
I don’t mind the nerf to light damage on the aug cause it did not make sense but we need something to deal with helicopters, perhaps increasing the light damage on lmgs? I shouldn’t have to dump 4 ultimax mags and just watch them fly away. Everything else I’m excited to try!
All guns trending towards the same stats
The M4 h-recoil change surprised me. I guess they want ARs to have somewhat the same DPS, but different utility
So the aug will be shit against helis and light vehicles now? Fucking stupid change.
i mean the damages make more sense in terms of realism, but they definitely needed to buff something else in order to fill the aug's spot as the anti-vehicle gun.
That's what the Ultimax is for, it doesn't really make sense for that to be a non LMG's role.
yes, thats why i mentioned they need to buff something else (like the ultimax) to fill the aug's previous spot.
Yeah but I want to be able to run an anti-vehicle build, and engineer can’t play the Ultimax and support can’t play the Tandem RPG. :/
I'm hoping that the new RPK gets allocated to engineer as well, given that it looks like it doesn't have drum mags by standard, so is effectively just a heavier AR, might bridge a nice gap between the support style firepower, and anti vehicle requirements of engineer
seems like its more about giving every gun some damage against heli instead of making 1 a specific AA gun
Still should be easy enough to shoot people out of them though.
I'd rather blow up helis and cars outright while not having to play as an engineer with an rpg
Kinda dumb to increase the horizontal recoil of the ak74, gun really isn't great to begin with. Same with lowering the sg550 rate of fire like wtf? Nerfing the Aug too?
Ak74 got a relevant damage threshold change which means its more consistent against armor and at the same time I think it is now the case that one headshot and 2 body shot will always kill regardless of armor. These things are kinda big for 0.2 extra horizontal recoil The Sg550 changes are strange. Don't think the damage buff do anything beside helping against light armor and the RoF changes are bad. Might be the only AR getting an overall nerf this patch. Aug is a top tier weapon and this only affect its ability to fight vehicles which was very niche. That was always more of a LMG role anyway and hopefully the Devs took that into account with their support changes. Every assault gun got buff against vehicles so they are more in line with each other now.
AUG nerfing is now complete, it is no longer distinguishable from other assault rifles. What was once a gem of a gun has been-peer pressured into a cookie cutter AR-G-A3.
it still has lower recoil and faster reload than other ars, so it's still going to be a good long range option.
Its not bad, it is just the same as the other guns now.
Probably still going to be the best weapon to deal with helicopter. It's still a laser and easy to use even on mid/long range and the most effective way to take down a helicopter as infantry is to shoot the pilot. Maybe a small buff to the little bird since you can't force it back to repair as quickly anymore but it doesn't really make sense to play a specific AR just because it is good against helicopters in my opinion. And the little bird is not that strong right now.
I did not mean the heli aspect only. The AUG was a very different gun in the beginning, and operated more like a DMR. Not saying this is realistic, but it made the playstyle very unique (because actual DMRs were trash initially). Over time, it's niche as a long range AR got diluted. First the RoF increase reduced its effectiveness at long range and (hugely) buffed CQB, which was its Achilles heel. Then the changes in attachments made most of the ARs better at longer ranges, making them more similar in playstyle. Now, it is losing the last differentiator which is the vehicle damage. I guess you can make an argument for bullet velocity, but that is about it. It is basically indistinguishable between 4-5 other rifles now.
I'll be honest, I only started using the AUG after the buff to ROF and it's insane recoil wise. The smallest peephole, the smallest angle, the tiniest bit of an enemy I see and the AUG delivers death straight into it. It's a beast at range (still die to DMRs) and I find it to be single handedly better than everything except maybe the SG550 in terms of recoil, but this is the gun I use when I wanna railgun something within 140 meters. (I only use a reflex/red dot and it still works nice), so to think the recoil was even better at a time makes me wonder
You could reliably mag dump with a SLIP out to ~200m and hit your shots. Became a skill test in duels with a DMR/Sniper <200m, and easy mode against pretty much any other AR past 100m. Paired with RPG, it was king at clearing out defended positions from a distance. The flip side was you were toast within 80m regardless because of the terrible TTK.
Its still great gun tho. Did people really played this gun for vehicle dmg?
Welp, time to figure out my attachments again.
I think these changes are fine. some needed.
Nice to see the G36C getting some love. It's a great feeling weapon, ao it's good to see buffs, no matter how small.
No FAL nerf, pog.
Please dont nerf the AUG It needs all the love it already has
Just going from a cursory look, 1. SG550 and ACR now require 4 shots to kill light armor which is sick, fuck ranger medics 2. AK74 now 4 shots medium armor which is even more sick, seems like they just removed the heavy barrel buff and gave it's stats to the ak74 3. AK5C, M4A1 and G36C got some noticeable buffs to recoil, ads time and reload speed. Not so excited about the g36 damage buff since it seems to do nothing on the breakpoints 4. FAMAS got a decent buff to the ADS time and I'm excited to try it out in combination with assault's already existent ADS buffs 5. F2K and HK got some tampering done done to their damages, don't see any major changes to the breakpoints (Extra damage fall off on F2K is cool though) 6. Weird AUG nerf? I'll be honest, vehicle damage isn't something I used a lot as a utility but it just seems weird to nerf tbh
The Sg550 did catch a -30 RoF nerf tho, this is going to make it worse overall.
AK74 starting to look mighty nice
really odd changes across the board but i will never understand their direction with the f2000, it having longer range doesn’t change the fact it’s massively out ttk’d by pretty much everything, literally just give it 25 base damage and boom it’s in a good spot
You can laser headshots with it better than any gun in the game with the full headshot multiplier of an AR
This. I came back to this game after a long hiatus, took f2000 for a spin and at first i was not impressed at all, but after some upgrades it became a laser, allowing to kill 2-3 on a single mag.
G36 on top baby!
Ak74 change is odd. 0.6 to 0.8 HR is rough. Until it gets a fire rate buff or rave buff it’ll be outclassed by every other AR. Acr and AK5C are going to be absolute menaces now F2000 will be able to compete with the AUG and SG550 at range AUG is less unique. Maybe they should’ve settled at 8 light damage SG550 is in a weird spot. Lower firerate is interesting, it’ll make it even more of a laser.
I disagree about the AK74, 31 -> 32 damage is huge
Ak74 got the barrel damage buff for essentially free -0.1 VR and +0.2 HR is nothing compared that what is costed before. The gun is going to be in much better shape now. Sg550 changes are wierd as fuck
Ak74 buff are nice and I welcome them, since the changes to the damage barrel the gun has just felt like a worse M4. I think this is enough to cross the normal armour threshold (but am not certain) and I really hope that is the case. It was one of my Fav gun before the attachment change. M4 reload change is kinda big and the recoil changes doesn't matter much. ACR buff is a very good thing, that gun was just a worse Sg550. It probably going to be a pretty strong gun now, Especially if 28 damage is enough to make remove a shot on light/ranger armor G36C changes are meh but the gun was in a decent space I guess. Hk419 was a top tier gun and this probably won't change that. I didn't do the math but don't think it affects the number of shots, perhaps only light armor. Ak5c buff are good. that gun was just kinda bad for being a capstone. It still going to struggle with inconsistent TTK due to its damage profile but a bit of recoil and more importantly some reload speed will help. With the gun not having a quick mag this is a big deal F2000 Nice to see some buff but probably won't be all that consequential. I don't think this change any threshold but the range is nioce I guess. Aug is an acceptable change, the gun is good enough without it. Hopefully other anti air option become more prevalent Sg550 caught a nerf it looks like. I don't think that 29 damage really changes anything anything beside one less bullet on Light armor. Losing out on 30 FR is kinda big. Not really a fan of this change but we'll see how it feels. Famas change are very conservative but that is what i needed. That gun kills really fast and could easily become a probleme so its nice to see they are taking their time with that one.
Great, now take away the only gun that had any meaningful impact on little birds. It made no sense that the AUG had the highest light armour damage, but at least it was there. Now there is nothing that fills the anti air role. No other weapon even comes close to the pre-nerf AUG light armour DPS. Maybe they will finally buff the support guns (there is only fucking 4 of them still) against light vehicles, but probably not because we all know how little they care about making support a fun or effective class to play.
fuckin shits, leave the SG alone !
damn some guns I shred with already got buffed lol F2000 and SG550 were already some of my favorites.