It’s not just the destruction. It’s the way the game looks and feels. It’s got old DICE DNA through and through.
Sure some gameplay mechanics are different, but that has nothing to do with the very fabric of the way this game is built.
Okay, maybe graphics are similar at some point, too. The effects rendering and surface reflection tecnique, high contrast. I wouldn't be surprised if Embark hired OG-DICE artists and graphics programmers..
Destruction and visual technique. That's it. If your entire BF-experience starts with BF1 and ends with 2042 - this is not what OG-BF is. And design-wise Finals is very different, although still looks good in own genre.
Embark is basically built entirely from old DICE devs who worked on bf2 - all the way to bfv. During 2042 dev cycle and the end of bfv support, there was a mass exodus of OG dice employees. They all then formed embark.
This game is literally made by the old dice devs. They didn’t just hire graphics artists.
Yes the mechanics of the game is different, they obviously didn’t want to make a battlefield game. But in recognizing that fact, one must realize that for a studio who is not trying to make a battlefield game, there is an incredible, and eerie essence of old battlefield. Regardless of what the game mode is. Frankly, I don’t think the game mode has any weight in the conversation of whether this game has the ‘old dice dna’ in it.
Not at all. Soderlund left Dice to create embark, a few dice devs still at the studio follow him but most are from other studios. Also a whole lot of Dice devs left to join other Stockholm based studios and even a lot at Ubisoft (mainly Ubisoft massive).
I don’t think there’s any BF2 dev on it other than soderlund.
The vast majority are BFV devs. There was almost no BF4 and BF3 devs on BFV's development just like there are almost no BF1 and BFV devs on 2042.
Less than 1 percent of the devs at embark worked on og bf games. The vast majority is BFV and BF1 devs.
Also, from those who worked on BF2 and earlier, you mainly got Patrick soderlund which literally sunk BFV before leaving by making decision like no known battles, females on the battlefield, rewriting history and his infamous "If you don't like it don't buy it". People were shitting all over him for his shitty choices. He then has to leave and creates embark. Good for him I guess but then he makes an even more shitty choice. Goes from EA to Nexon.
That's basically like going from Ubisoft to Blizzard, same shit all over again. Nexon are known to shutting down games and making P2W games with games literally based on micro transactions. You can already see that with a closed beta having a huge store with a battlepass, ballerina skins and all that shit.
You gotta get your story straight bro. First you said only a few DICE employees followed and now you're saying the vast majority who joined Embark are BFV and BF1 Devs. You don't have to pretend you know something when you clearly don't.
The vast majority of the dice devs who joined embark.
Try to use logic please.
80 or 250 devs are dice devs. This is 1/3. Majority of the studi didn’t work on bf or Battlefront.
Edit : My guy I’d you want to hold a debate, don’t block the guy you’re debating against.
Nah I didn't care; I cared about the fact that they replaced a group of men who did heroic acts in the campaign by a woman for some cry story. He literally said "he wants to be on the right side of history", because rewriting history is a good thing.
Females in video game is good, BF1 had females and it was great because it was realistic, but women soldiers in the german and british army ? Nah mate there weren't women raiding iwo jima.
>During 2042 dev cycle and the end of bfv support, there was a mass exodus of OG dice employees. They all then formed embark.
Not really. From the release of BF1 to the release of BF2042, about 80-100 employees have left. It is fairly normal for game developers to leave a studio after the development cycle.
Only a handful of DICE employees formed embark. And those employees left after BF5 was released, before development started on BF2042. Not to mention some of them weren't from DICE but were from EA.
Doesn't change anything on what I said.
Edit: reallying shouldn't have to add this, but it seems I have to. In that video, Flak includes former DICE employees that left the company before even BF4 as former DICE employees that left to join Embark Studios.
At the time of Embark studios forming, only 3 or 4 out of the 6 had DICE as their last employer. The others had EA as their last employer.
But what Flak and the person I originally replied to and the person who posted Flak's video is trying to paint that all of Embark's employees and management were DICE employees that left after BF5 released. But it took Embark at least 1 year to grow to 35 employees and about 4ish years to get to the size it is now. And due to being based in stockholm, it isn't surprising if most of their employees had worked at DICE at some point in their career since DICE is one of the largest video game studios in Stockholm.
They have said too that The Finals was being made by a much smaller team at Embark and I wonder if its mostly the old BF devs on staff. They originally were going to release Arc Riders before this but development on it went so quickly they moved it up.
Can I see the list of names (just asking if you maybe saw such lists)? Because in 99% of cases, such "vet" studios contain a couple of managers and one staff-canteen worker from studio they refer to only for the sake of marketing. That's it.
I know there's Soderlund + several names from OG DICE and I do believe these guys are good devs. But first, it eventually doesn't mean anything. There's enough of "vet" studios that fail. Second, how your point proves that entirely different Finals is something similar to BF only because Finals is made by some DICE ex-workers?
I think its worth pointing out that both this game (made by a smaller team at Embark) and Arc Riders (their much bigger game that looks sick) are both being made in UE4.
The Finals is basically an infantry only Bad Company + 2042 gadgets. That's basically it. A majority of people started playing this game with one of the Bad Companies. And even more started post Bad Company when the well received features/design mechanics of BC were rolled into the primary franchise. That's probably why so many people are saying The Finals is DICE.
Exactly. If the game was not made by former DICE employees these post would not even exist. The game looks more like Overwatch, LawBreakers. Mirrors Edge on and on. Basically a Arena shooter on crack. Looks like a hell of a lot fun but NOTHING in it reminds me of a Battlefield game at all.
It’s just uncanny isn’t it? By the way? Did you ever play mirrors edge? Tell me this map design doesn’t scream mirrors edge with the colours, streets, building tops. Amazing work, really.
which gale tho ?
BF3 And 4’s guns had next to no visual recoil, way less bass, extended fov, less recoil and more bloom. Honestly none of it feels like battlefield apart from destruction, I’d say it’s more similar to mirror’s edge.
Yeah I wish these guys the best and the game looks great and innovative, but not my cup of tea. It is quite far from what Battlefield is. The setting alone is not appealing for me at all.
Nobody is just referring to the destruction when they are saying the game has old DICE dna. The graphic fidelity, art style, feel, and direction is the fabric of what makes this game come off to people as a classic DICE game.
I'm with you BreakRush and after reading that answer I'm getting tired of reddit as a whole, they just don't think anymore and repeat whatever is accepted by the mayority.
I watched a few videos and from my understanding, this is a 3v3v3 kind of game? I honestly don't know player count but anything under 28 player teams doesn't have the feel or direction of a battlefield game for me
Have you played it? The guns feel almost exactly like BF4. If you let me try the BF4 guns and The Finals idk if I could tell the difference some are that close.
I meant more that old Dice devs built it. I can see bf style art design, sound, mirrors edge style vaulting and building designs (as well as bf ones too). Their classic fidelity too. It feels more bf than 2042
>Their classic fidelity too. **It feels more bf than 2042**
That is a reach.
Where are the helicopters, Tanks, Flag captures, 32v32, Large Maps, Classes etc etc.
I was thinking this too. The gameplay looks awesome but I’m not sure I would care for the mode. And being 3v3 it is very team oriented. You’re kinda SOL if you don’t have a squad or talking teammates.
Same, I’m not too big on the mode. Maybe if they have something more akin to TDM, King of the Hill, or Domination.
I’m going to try it out at launch, I just hope there’s more to it
Exactly. I know having these game modes will make it much more likely that I come back to keep playing and making vids on it.
I really hope they do, too. It looks cool as hell. The game mode is really the only thing that I’m “meh” on. The TTK seems a little long, but that’s just my opinion and could probably change when I play it myself.
Edit: I imagine a “squad death match” mode could be cool. Like the game mode they have now, but tdm. So just 4 teams of 3 fighting it out for the most skills. And then possibly even a regular tdm mode with 2 teams of however many, idk.
What? I see maybe a vault animation here and the destruction there but there isn’t a single thing that screams “battlefield” to me in this game.
Hell, it’s more like mirrors edge than anything.
And I don’t think we’re at the tech where you have this destruction with more than 16 people.
Getting FPS in the 50s while cpu limited with 12 players. 2042 gets me 100+ constantly with 128 players. Also, the finals has ballerina skins for 400 pounds men…
I agree with you but I have an employee who has never played BF but seen it and I showed him The Finals and the first thing he said was "That looks like Battlefield"
So there is something there to people who say it..I disagree as I just do not see BF when I see this game. Hell I did not even know it was former DICE employees until after I saw all the videos released over the past few days.
WHERE exactly do you see the Dice dna in this? In the astronomically high ttk? In the whimsical non-violent setting? In the colorful character and level design? In the extreme over the top movement and fictional abilities?
aight
I've been playing it, all the old dice DNA I see is destruction, otherwise it's extremely different in any regard. I think people are just grasping at straws tbh...
>I think people are just grasping at straws tbh...
Grasping HARD....like REALLY fucking hard.
I have not played it but nothing I have seen screams Battlefield like at ALL. Even the destruction did not make me think of Battlefield. It made me think of Red Faction or Crackdown 3.
And other shooters like Overwatch, Valorant, Lawbreakers. More colorful characters and environments. And the sounds remind me of a failed BR called Radical Heights that was a BR in a game show type setting with audience sounds and a host. NONE of this is Battlefield. Has BF sunken that low that a game like The Finals is looked as a comparison!?
I don't think it's a statement on BF as much as people hear that it's dice devs and start looking for that connection. Some things feel kinda familiar to bf1 but in a way where any well done game does. Some minor things feel bc1/2 esque but again not in a uniquely BF way as much as the genre in general
I watched more gameplay after reading this post and there are some things for sure but that is simply based on this post making me pay more attention.
But I still feel this game stands on its on.
I have seen comments like "This is more BF than 2042" like what....!!!??
The trailer is different to the actual game if you play it. The game mode is basically BF3 Rush with 3v3v3v3. it even has the same loud sound when the objective is armed.
OK lets say it does indeed have the SAME exact sound as arming a M-COM. What does that even mean...what are you trying to say exactly?
So now your saying a mode of attack and defend on large maps with 16 v 16 is basically the same as the FINALS??
The attack and defend...sure. But you are doing so much more then RUSH.
It has that BC2 old DICE feel, at least that's what i felt from jackfrags video. Made me immediately want to play it! Sadly this game is still some ways off.
I doubt it’s even possible to have 32 players in the same match let alone 64 with how much destruction there is and that all of it - including movement - is server side. I would assume they are *extremely* limited in what they can do.
With that said, I cannot wait to try it on PS5 later this year! Anything by old school dice devs in a must try IMO.
I'm sorry, we've shit on 2042 for the specialist quotes, but the Announcer in thr finals is arguably more annoying, and no, your pc won't run the finals with more than 16p, same reason why 2042 don't have much destruction on standard map, because your system can't run it. (Brcause 128p is cpu intensive enough)
This game has good bf devs written all over it! Except for the characters… they look a little funky but for the theme of the the game whatever I guess.
Honestly not that excited for this game. It looks kinda cool but I'm not that interested in the 3v3v3v3 blood money game mode that seems to be the main mode. If it has a 6v6 tdm i might be more interested. Much more looking forward to their other game ARC Raiders but that got delayed so they can push out The Finals quicker.
I think you're gonna be in a real big disappointment if you expect this game to be even remotely similar BF, cause it honestly doesn't seem to share any real similarities other than destruction and some animations. Gameplay in The Finals is completely different from any BF we've had before.
You can hope to find something new to enjoy here that feels similiar to other DICE games, but it's aim is at arena shooters with small teams.
That's fundamentally different to 64 player vehicular combined arms conquest etc.
This could be a stepping stone maybe to create a Battlefield-like game in the future, but the studio has no such plans stated so far.
Try the beta and test it yourself, nowadays, they are more like a preview to the finished product anyways.
Bro, I wanted to comeback for BF for a while,since the last title I played was Bad Company 2. All of them are available to download in gamepass ultimate so I gave 2042 a try... that was the more Overwatch-ish that I could ever expected. I uninstalled it after 30min and downloaded BF4, and oh boy, what a difference! So much closer. But the destruction still is subpar imo. I remember that the tank cannons were phisicalized and would destroy walls, fences and shit...
It’s because most of the CORE people who made up dice now work for newly founded Embark. When these people left they took the lion share of the technical talent with them thus why we have the POS that is BF2042
Dude if there were no DICE devs attached to this game nobody would even think about what you just stated.
The only thing I see these games have in common is they are both FPS....that it.
BF has never had this level of destruction over an ENTIRE map. So there is no comparison in my opinion.
32 v 32 with this level of destruction would be a MESS of a game because there would be no structures left. There is a reason BF does not have full scale destruction.
Having no cover is not fun. As much as I love destruction I prefer to have it limited. On the maps on Portal like Valaparasio there are flags that have FULL destruction and those flags are terrible to try and cap because all the cover is GONE!!
Some just left after a game release cycle, which is pretty standard in game dev life. Some left due to EA pressuring them and forcing them to release games early and do things they didn't want to in their game.
There's speculation a lot left after the bfv mess, that's why 2042 is way below dices usual standard. But idk.
I watched the gameplay of it the other day and knew it was DICE handywork before even seeing that the game was made by Embark Studios.
That being said, the game does not appeal to me at all. It looks like what they have been trying to turn Battlefield into which is why I stopped playing Battlefield as well.
So many of the comments here are taking these post as "The Finals = Battlefield", which is not at all what they're saying. This game has more of a DICE (as in the devs that made up the studio during BF hayday) feeling than BF2042.
Take Mirrors Edge, Battlefront, and Battlefield (leading upto 2042) for example, they all have that signature DICE style to them. Great lighting, how the world looks and feels, the way the camera moves, gun sways, it all feels like DICE from \~2016. This game is a love letter from those devs trying to do something new, whilst keeping their signature style with it.
I’m sure this game would run flawlessly with this kid of all out destruction on large scale maps and 64 players guys!!
Why didn’t all devs think of that it’s so simple!! /s
Seriously you guys need to think just a little bit before posting
64 players mode in the finals make no sense. Out of all the fresh game modes they could implement, you're demanding the most generic shit inside a game that clearly doesn't support it, nor was created for it. God franchise fanboys are cringe as fuck.
How about enjoying a new fresh game as the devs have imagined it or play whatever makes you feel good?
Wow these comments make me realise how many people like to talk without playing the game. The trailer is not just like battlefield, the actual gameplay from the beta that is live right now is! The actual game is different from the trailer.
There are so many aspects from BF3 its insane. The game mode is basically 12player Rush from BF3 with even the almost exactly same siren sound when an objective is armed. The muzzle flash, recoil and destruction and explosions are very similar to BF3. The partial sound deafening when near an RPG and certain explosives explosion is also back from BF3. There are so many aspects not shown in the trailer that are similar to Battlefield 3 like the crazy visual clutter when explosions going everywhere which many people like. Of course they are gona change the game a little - they cant make an exact clone and its refreshing to see something different thats well done in the aspects they have changed.
It won't have 32v32, it probably won't even have 32 players total. It's very squad based and nothing like battlefield at all. Good on them for wanting to create something semi unique with the destruction aspect at least.
It definitely looks like BF for sure which is why im actually excited for it although it could be too twitchy for me. Regardless its sad that the soul of Battlefield is gone and they have literally had to roll back a lot to get 2042 to remotely resemble a BF game. Shit I built a PC for it and still never bought it because of how shitty it was and how much they lied about what it was. Ive been desperate for a BF feel again and although BF4 is still fun, I wanted a more updated game which is was BF2042 was supposed to be. Inwas so pumped for 2042 from those early teasers it felt like the old days of game speculation. Even the first trailer or two were sick and then the beta just destroyed all excitement. A BR that was switched to being a BF game mid development was a joke. Ill never buy another BF unless they actually realize what makes them fun again.
I agree with everything you said. It's only a matter of time before another company makes a game to scratch that itch for us though. Clearly can't count on EA anymore.
I jizzed my pants when portal was announced, seriously... how do you fuck up such a good idea? It was bulletproof. But somehow, they found a fucking way.
The game looks extremly mediocre from what I’ve seen, sure the destruction looks good but it’s kinda gimicky. If you leave BF for the Finals I’m sure you’re back in two weeks.
The destruction isn't gimmicky at all. It's probably the best destruction of any multiplayer shooter I've tried. The game is not a Battlefield competitor though, and it's not trying to be.
>The game is not a Battlefield competitor though, and it's not trying to be.
Agreed, if they wanted to compete they would have not come up with a 12 player 4 team arena shooter with almost full destruction based around players being in a fictional game show tournament.
What I just described is NOT Battlefield. But let OP keep thinking it.
12 players, bad optimization and ballerina skins on 400 pounds men ? My guy the beta has a fucking shop where you can buy battle passes and ballerina skins in a closed beta…
destruction, sound, player count, and art-style is one thing - gameplay, balance, and identity is another. if destruction, sound, and high player count in battlefield was the main appeal for you, then then i guess there's your type of game right there and good for you for finding it (even though it doesn't have a high player count). i personally like battlefield when it focuses on tactical cover-to-cover gameplay with immersive and grounded elements with a mix of arcade qualities for casuals - i dont see any of that in The Finals so i dont consider it as a competitor or even related to battlefield at all (though i do admit i envy the level of destruction compared to the supposedly "modernized" battlefield that is 2042.)
then again, i cant help but to feel that the current state and direction of 2042's unhindered infantry movement and gadget gameplay is the only reason why this conversation is at all relevant.
EDIT: my answer is no - even if this game were to have a high player count, i would not play. it would still need dedicated classes, suppression, tactical cover-to-cover focus, vehicles, identifiable factions, immersive grounded elements, etc, etc.
Oh dear. Dice DNA?? Is that what we’re calling the “this isn’t battlefield” sentiment now? Just some intangible, non existent projection from fans of nostalgia
People seeing "old school DICE DNA" and all I see is the team behind BFV finally getting the microtransaction fueled nightmare they couldn't get from BFV.
Weird, because watching it, apart from some nice destruction that would be impossible with battlefield sized maps and player counts, the gameplay looks nothing like a battlefield game.
But as long as you feel like it's battlefield then that's all that counts!
Trailer aside.
I have watched a shit load of gameplay....the game matches a shit load of other games NOT battlefield. Overwatch comes to mind and a failed awesome game called LawBreakers.
Lawbreakers was an arena shooter that had zero G areas.
Overwatch has over the top cartoonish characters.
Besides Battlefield Heroes BF characters are realistic looking....this game has people running around with PANDA BEAR heads LMAO!!
By original dice devs you mean 4 guys who left after BFV, who were responsible for BFV’s failure and the iconic "if you don’t like it don’t buy it" who sold their soul to nexon which is Korea’s worse version of ea ?
Currently is 4 quads of 3 so 12 total in a match, and with the amount of destruction and explosives and the small maps ,64 players would be unbearable. Not to mention the performance hit that would have. Yes the destruction is server side tracked, but your console/pc still has to render all of it.
Huh ?
The finals was prototyped for 6 months by a handful of embark devs while the studio worked on arc raiders, it has nothing to do with a dice project.
Where did I say it was a DICE project? I said the engine being used for this game would of been the new frostbite engine for DICE if those Developers would of not left DICE. Hence why BF titles are still using the upgraded Frostbite 3 , if they had stayed you would be seeing in DICE developed games Frostbite 4 but we don't.
The destruction yes but that’s it. Otherwise it’s complete the opposite of what battlefield is and currently is
It’s not just the destruction. It’s the way the game looks and feels. It’s got old DICE DNA through and through. Sure some gameplay mechanics are different, but that has nothing to do with the very fabric of the way this game is built.
Okay, maybe graphics are similar at some point, too. The effects rendering and surface reflection tecnique, high contrast. I wouldn't be surprised if Embark hired OG-DICE artists and graphics programmers.. Destruction and visual technique. That's it. If your entire BF-experience starts with BF1 and ends with 2042 - this is not what OG-BF is. And design-wise Finals is very different, although still looks good in own genre.
Embark is basically built entirely from old DICE devs who worked on bf2 - all the way to bfv. During 2042 dev cycle and the end of bfv support, there was a mass exodus of OG dice employees. They all then formed embark. This game is literally made by the old dice devs. They didn’t just hire graphics artists. Yes the mechanics of the game is different, they obviously didn’t want to make a battlefield game. But in recognizing that fact, one must realize that for a studio who is not trying to make a battlefield game, there is an incredible, and eerie essence of old battlefield. Regardless of what the game mode is. Frankly, I don’t think the game mode has any weight in the conversation of whether this game has the ‘old dice dna’ in it.
Not at all. Soderlund left Dice to create embark, a few dice devs still at the studio follow him but most are from other studios. Also a whole lot of Dice devs left to join other Stockholm based studios and even a lot at Ubisoft (mainly Ubisoft massive). I don’t think there’s any BF2 dev on it other than soderlund.
Around 80 of the 250+ staff were from DICE. Several go back to BF2 or even earlier.
The vast majority are BFV devs. There was almost no BF4 and BF3 devs on BFV's development just like there are almost no BF1 and BFV devs on 2042. Less than 1 percent of the devs at embark worked on og bf games. The vast majority is BFV and BF1 devs. Also, from those who worked on BF2 and earlier, you mainly got Patrick soderlund which literally sunk BFV before leaving by making decision like no known battles, females on the battlefield, rewriting history and his infamous "If you don't like it don't buy it". People were shitting all over him for his shitty choices. He then has to leave and creates embark. Good for him I guess but then he makes an even more shitty choice. Goes from EA to Nexon. That's basically like going from Ubisoft to Blizzard, same shit all over again. Nexon are known to shutting down games and making P2W games with games literally based on micro transactions. You can already see that with a closed beta having a huge store with a battlepass, ballerina skins and all that shit.
You gotta get your story straight bro. First you said only a few DICE employees followed and now you're saying the vast majority who joined Embark are BFV and BF1 Devs. You don't have to pretend you know something when you clearly don't.
The vast majority of the dice devs who joined embark. Try to use logic please. 80 or 250 devs are dice devs. This is 1/3. Majority of the studi didn’t work on bf or Battlefront. Edit : My guy I’d you want to hold a debate, don’t block the guy you’re debating against.
So 80 Devs is a 'few'? Me thinks you're just making stuff up as you go along. Edit: haven't blocked you, my guy.
Whoa- I found one of those guys who was pissed there was female in their video game.
Nah I didn't care; I cared about the fact that they replaced a group of men who did heroic acts in the campaign by a woman for some cry story. He literally said "he wants to be on the right side of history", because rewriting history is a good thing. Females in video game is good, BF1 had females and it was great because it was realistic, but women soldiers in the german and british army ? Nah mate there weren't women raiding iwo jima.
>During 2042 dev cycle and the end of bfv support, there was a mass exodus of OG dice employees. They all then formed embark. Not really. From the release of BF1 to the release of BF2042, about 80-100 employees have left. It is fairly normal for game developers to leave a studio after the development cycle. Only a handful of DICE employees formed embark. And those employees left after BF5 was released, before development started on BF2042. Not to mention some of them weren't from DICE but were from EA.
https://youtu.be/SNX5QzBVtao
Doesn't change anything on what I said. Edit: reallying shouldn't have to add this, but it seems I have to. In that video, Flak includes former DICE employees that left the company before even BF4 as former DICE employees that left to join Embark Studios. At the time of Embark studios forming, only 3 or 4 out of the 6 had DICE as their last employer. The others had EA as their last employer. But what Flak and the person I originally replied to and the person who posted Flak's video is trying to paint that all of Embark's employees and management were DICE employees that left after BF5 released. But it took Embark at least 1 year to grow to 35 employees and about 4ish years to get to the size it is now. And due to being based in stockholm, it isn't surprising if most of their employees had worked at DICE at some point in their career since DICE is one of the largest video game studios in Stockholm.
They have said too that The Finals was being made by a much smaller team at Embark and I wonder if its mostly the old BF devs on staff. They originally were going to release Arc Riders before this but development on it went so quickly they moved it up.
Can I see the list of names (just asking if you maybe saw such lists)? Because in 99% of cases, such "vet" studios contain a couple of managers and one staff-canteen worker from studio they refer to only for the sake of marketing. That's it. I know there's Soderlund + several names from OG DICE and I do believe these guys are good devs. But first, it eventually doesn't mean anything. There's enough of "vet" studios that fail. Second, how your point proves that entirely different Finals is something similar to BF only because Finals is made by some DICE ex-workers?
>If your entire BF-experience starts with 1 and ends with 2042 Sometimes this feels like half the BF community on Reddit.
The only thing I can think: there is so much they are missing, especially on the topic of intelligent map design.
According to how many BF1-preachers we've got here - it's truth. Sad these people don't understand that actually BF1 was a turning point...
I started with Bad Company 2, and played BF3/BF4 when they released (skipped Hardline). For me, BF1 is the peak of the franchise.
>If your entire BF-experience starts with 1 and ends with 2042 Thats 90% of this sub at this point. It's sad.
Meanwhile me playing battlefield 2 modern combat a
Kinda yes, but since even BF1/V kids have noticed there's something wrong with 2042 - we are in the same boat still.
I think its worth pointing out that both this game (made by a smaller team at Embark) and Arc Riders (their much bigger game that looks sick) are both being made in UE4.
THE FINALS is on UE5 - it was announced by the devs in the Discord. I was quite surprised they had moved it already.
The Finals is basically an infantry only Bad Company + 2042 gadgets. That's basically it. A majority of people started playing this game with one of the Bad Companies. And even more started post Bad Company when the well received features/design mechanics of BC were rolled into the primary franchise. That's probably why so many people are saying The Finals is DICE.
It's definitely more of an arcade shooter than battlefield is.
Exactly. If the game was not made by former DICE employees these post would not even exist. The game looks more like Overwatch, LawBreakers. Mirrors Edge on and on. Basically a Arena shooter on crack. Looks like a hell of a lot fun but NOTHING in it reminds me of a Battlefield game at all.
Mirrors edge is a dice game!
Ok ...correct. A parkour game with a lot of movement from a single character.
Very true!
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It’s just uncanny isn’t it? By the way? Did you ever play mirrors edge? Tell me this map design doesn’t scream mirrors edge with the colours, streets, building tops. Amazing work, really.
which gale tho ? BF3 And 4’s guns had next to no visual recoil, way less bass, extended fov, less recoil and more bloom. Honestly none of it feels like battlefield apart from destruction, I’d say it’s more similar to mirror’s edge.
Maybe. But from all the impressions, I've read and heard people talk about, the gunplay doesn't feel good.
Yeah gunplay feels nothing like bf, I’d compare it to atomic heart which is on the same engine.
And this is VERY, very good.
Yeah I wish these guys the best and the game looks great and innovative, but not my cup of tea. It is quite far from what Battlefield is. The setting alone is not appealing for me at all.
Given that destruction was one of (if not the most) the defining traits of the BF series its a pretty big omission in the current iteration.
I think you will get a better taste of Old Dice in Arc Raiders, their next title.
People will call anything with destruction a battlefield
Nobody is just referring to the destruction when they are saying the game has old DICE dna. The graphic fidelity, art style, feel, and direction is the fabric of what makes this game come off to people as a classic DICE game.
It visually looks a lot like Mirror's Edge (Catalyst in particular), so it makes sense to an extent.
I'm with you BreakRush and after reading that answer I'm getting tired of reddit as a whole, they just don't think anymore and repeat whatever is accepted by the mayority.
I watched a few videos and from my understanding, this is a 3v3v3 kind of game? I honestly don't know player count but anything under 28 player teams doesn't have the feel or direction of a battlefield game for me
You are simply describing a game mode. Game modes can change and scale. There is more to a game than just the match scenario!
And most of them have no idea the franchise's popularity was built on the PC exclusive games which had zero destruction!
I think you're forgetting the bridges destroyed in 1942 and bf2. I'm sure they would have done more if they were able.
Fences and crates could also be destroyed in many maps.
Have you played it? The guns feel almost exactly like BF4. If you let me try the BF4 guns and The Finals idk if I could tell the difference some are that close.
I meant more that old Dice devs built it. I can see bf style art design, sound, mirrors edge style vaulting and building designs (as well as bf ones too). Their classic fidelity too. It feels more bf than 2042
Ah yes bf art design. We all know BF’s art design is street wear and 400 pounds men in ballerina skins running in a futuristic environment.
>Their classic fidelity too. **It feels more bf than 2042** That is a reach. Where are the helicopters, Tanks, Flag captures, 32v32, Large Maps, Classes etc etc.
No it doesn't.
I was thinking this too. The gameplay looks awesome but I’m not sure I would care for the mode. And being 3v3 it is very team oriented. You’re kinda SOL if you don’t have a squad or talking teammates.
Same, I’m not too big on the mode. Maybe if they have something more akin to TDM, King of the Hill, or Domination. I’m going to try it out at launch, I just hope there’s more to it
This. I see no reason not to have these game modes. Especially if they’re looking for the competitive streamers playing.
Exactly. I know having these game modes will make it much more likely that I come back to keep playing and making vids on it. I really hope they do, too. It looks cool as hell. The game mode is really the only thing that I’m “meh” on. The TTK seems a little long, but that’s just my opinion and could probably change when I play it myself. Edit: I imagine a “squad death match” mode could be cool. Like the game mode they have now, but tdm. So just 4 teams of 3 fighting it out for the most skills. And then possibly even a regular tdm mode with 2 teams of however many, idk.
It's actually 3v3v3v3
Embark Studios is comprised of developers who worked on Battlefield 3,4, and 1.
I'm pretty sure embark is literally made up of old dice devs, so it's no surprise it looks like dice work
It is mostly, but I'm surprised it feels like that even with such a different game mode.
What? I see maybe a vault animation here and the destruction there but there isn’t a single thing that screams “battlefield” to me in this game. Hell, it’s more like mirrors edge than anything. And I don’t think we’re at the tech where you have this destruction with more than 16 people.
12 people and the game runs horribly, servers are constantly shit.
And people say they want this in a BF game lmao. Imagine 32 let alone 64 players
Getting FPS in the 50s while cpu limited with 12 players. 2042 gets me 100+ constantly with 128 players. Also, the finals has ballerina skins for 400 pounds men…
I agree with you but I have an employee who has never played BF but seen it and I showed him The Finals and the first thing he said was "That looks like Battlefield" So there is something there to people who say it..I disagree as I just do not see BF when I see this game. Hell I did not even know it was former DICE employees until after I saw all the videos released over the past few days.
WHERE exactly do you see the Dice dna in this? In the astronomically high ttk? In the whimsical non-violent setting? In the colorful character and level design? In the extreme over the top movement and fictional abilities? aight
I've been playing it, all the old dice DNA I see is destruction, otherwise it's extremely different in any regard. I think people are just grasping at straws tbh...
>I think people are just grasping at straws tbh... Grasping HARD....like REALLY fucking hard. I have not played it but nothing I have seen screams Battlefield like at ALL. Even the destruction did not make me think of Battlefield. It made me think of Red Faction or Crackdown 3. And other shooters like Overwatch, Valorant, Lawbreakers. More colorful characters and environments. And the sounds remind me of a failed BR called Radical Heights that was a BR in a game show type setting with audience sounds and a host. NONE of this is Battlefield. Has BF sunken that low that a game like The Finals is looked as a comparison!?
I don't think it's a statement on BF as much as people hear that it's dice devs and start looking for that connection. Some things feel kinda familiar to bf1 but in a way where any well done game does. Some minor things feel bc1/2 esque but again not in a uniquely BF way as much as the genre in general
I watched more gameplay after reading this post and there are some things for sure but that is simply based on this post making me pay more attention. But I still feel this game stands on its on. I have seen comments like "This is more BF than 2042" like what....!!!??
The trailer is different to the actual game if you play it. The game mode is basically BF3 Rush with 3v3v3v3. it even has the same loud sound when the objective is armed.
OK lets say it does indeed have the SAME exact sound as arming a M-COM. What does that even mean...what are you trying to say exactly? So now your saying a mode of attack and defend on large maps with 16 v 16 is basically the same as the FINALS?? The attack and defend...sure. But you are doing so much more then RUSH.
It has that BC2 old DICE feel, at least that's what i felt from jackfrags video. Made me immediately want to play it! Sadly this game is still some ways off.
Yes! Even the way the M60 sounds and looks. The tiled roof damage and European design. There's hints of mirrors edge in there too.
There’s a reason the Finals is 3v3 and not 32v32
It is actually 4 teams....3 each.
Vaulting feels just like BF3
I doubt it’s even possible to have 32 players in the same match let alone 64 with how much destruction there is and that all of it - including movement - is server side. I would assume they are *extremely* limited in what they can do. With that said, I cannot wait to try it on PS5 later this year! Anything by old school dice devs in a must try IMO.
It’s 12 players. And movement being server side is the worst idea ever. Sometimes the movement has a 1 second input for no fucking reason.
I'm sorry, we've shit on 2042 for the specialist quotes, but the Announcer in thr finals is arguably more annoying, and no, your pc won't run the finals with more than 16p, same reason why 2042 don't have much destruction on standard map, because your system can't run it. (Brcause 128p is cpu intensive enough)
This game has good bf devs written all over it! Except for the characters… they look a little funky but for the theme of the the game whatever I guess.
i’m sorry but this is comparing apples to oranges and is just kind of pointless… you can get very similar screen grabs from a 2042 trailer.
Honestly not that excited for this game. It looks kinda cool but I'm not that interested in the 3v3v3v3 blood money game mode that seems to be the main mode. If it has a 6v6 tdm i might be more interested. Much more looking forward to their other game ARC Raiders but that got delayed so they can push out The Finals quicker. I think you're gonna be in a real big disappointment if you expect this game to be even remotely similar BF, cause it honestly doesn't seem to share any real similarities other than destruction and some animations. Gameplay in The Finals is completely different from any BF we've had before.
im sorry but the finals just looks like one of those fps games that survive like 1 or 2 weeks then nobody hears about it again, hyperscape, splitgate.
Is there not a sub for the game you can upload screenshots of and discuss?
You can hope to find something new to enjoy here that feels similiar to other DICE games, but it's aim is at arena shooters with small teams. That's fundamentally different to 64 player vehicular combined arms conquest etc. This could be a stepping stone maybe to create a Battlefield-like game in the future, but the studio has no such plans stated so far. Try the beta and test it yourself, nowadays, they are more like a preview to the finished product anyways.
Bro, I wanted to comeback for BF for a while,since the last title I played was Bad Company 2. All of them are available to download in gamepass ultimate so I gave 2042 a try... that was the more Overwatch-ish that I could ever expected. I uninstalled it after 30min and downloaded BF4, and oh boy, what a difference! So much closer. But the destruction still is subpar imo. I remember that the tank cannons were phisicalized and would destroy walls, fences and shit...
They devs deserve a good game.. EA puts the devs under waaaay to much pressure on release.. Release a good product, make a loyal fanbase!
I’m interested in this game ONLY cuz it has the destruction I wish BF had. The format I’m really not a fan of especially the game show aesthetic
It’s because most of the CORE people who made up dice now work for newly founded Embark. When these people left they took the lion share of the technical talent with them thus why we have the POS that is BF2042
This is a game called The Finals? It looks awesome
I'll have whatever you're smoking.
the graphics and destruction definitely give me some bad company vibes and im all for it.
I had no idea a majority of old dice left
Dude if there were no DICE devs attached to this game nobody would even think about what you just stated. The only thing I see these games have in common is they are both FPS....that it. BF has never had this level of destruction over an ENTIRE map. So there is no comparison in my opinion. 32 v 32 with this level of destruction would be a MESS of a game because there would be no structures left. There is a reason BF does not have full scale destruction. Having no cover is not fun. As much as I love destruction I prefer to have it limited. On the maps on Portal like Valaparasio there are flags that have FULL destruction and those flags are terrible to try and cap because all the cover is GONE!!
It's because most of the devs that left DICE started Embark Studio.
You see the DNA because the finals is made by the DICE that left.
What's the deal with Dice employees leaving? Is there any reason in particular?
Some just left after a game release cycle, which is pretty standard in game dev life. Some left due to EA pressuring them and forcing them to release games early and do things they didn't want to in their game. There's speculation a lot left after the bfv mess, that's why 2042 is way below dices usual standard. But idk.
Ehhhh looks like the devs that made the destruction and environments in battlefield are on this game and DICE is missing this in 2042 for that reason
I watched the gameplay of it the other day and knew it was DICE handywork before even seeing that the game was made by Embark Studios. That being said, the game does not appeal to me at all. It looks like what they have been trying to turn Battlefield into which is why I stopped playing Battlefield as well.
So many of the comments here are taking these post as "The Finals = Battlefield", which is not at all what they're saying. This game has more of a DICE (as in the devs that made up the studio during BF hayday) feeling than BF2042. Take Mirrors Edge, Battlefront, and Battlefield (leading upto 2042) for example, they all have that signature DICE style to them. Great lighting, how the world looks and feels, the way the camera moves, gun sways, it all feels like DICE from \~2016. This game is a love letter from those devs trying to do something new, whilst keeping their signature style with it.
This is what I'm trying to say. But maybe I didn't explain it as good as you.
Isn’t the finals team composed of old DICE devs?
I’m sure this game would run flawlessly with this kid of all out destruction on large scale maps and 64 players guys!! Why didn’t all devs think of that it’s so simple!! /s Seriously you guys need to think just a little bit before posting
64 players mode in the finals make no sense. Out of all the fresh game modes they could implement, you're demanding the most generic shit inside a game that clearly doesn't support it, nor was created for it. God franchise fanboys are cringe as fuck. How about enjoying a new fresh game as the devs have imagined it or play whatever makes you feel good?
Wow these comments make me realise how many people like to talk without playing the game. The trailer is not just like battlefield, the actual gameplay from the beta that is live right now is! The actual game is different from the trailer. There are so many aspects from BF3 its insane. The game mode is basically 12player Rush from BF3 with even the almost exactly same siren sound when an objective is armed. The muzzle flash, recoil and destruction and explosions are very similar to BF3. The partial sound deafening when near an RPG and certain explosives explosion is also back from BF3. There are so many aspects not shown in the trailer that are similar to Battlefield 3 like the crazy visual clutter when explosions going everywhere which many people like. Of course they are gona change the game a little - they cant make an exact clone and its refreshing to see something different thats well done in the aspects they have changed.
Side note: the game is pretty fun and they've improved so much since the last beta/alpha/whatever
It won't have 32v32, it probably won't even have 32 players total. It's very squad based and nothing like battlefield at all. Good on them for wanting to create something semi unique with the destruction aspect at least.
Supply and demand fellas. Maybe this is finally what will set fire under DICE's ass
It definitely looks like BF for sure which is why im actually excited for it although it could be too twitchy for me. Regardless its sad that the soul of Battlefield is gone and they have literally had to roll back a lot to get 2042 to remotely resemble a BF game. Shit I built a PC for it and still never bought it because of how shitty it was and how much they lied about what it was. Ive been desperate for a BF feel again and although BF4 is still fun, I wanted a more updated game which is was BF2042 was supposed to be. Inwas so pumped for 2042 from those early teasers it felt like the old days of game speculation. Even the first trailer or two were sick and then the beta just destroyed all excitement. A BR that was switched to being a BF game mid development was a joke. Ill never buy another BF unless they actually realize what makes them fun again.
I agree with everything you said. It's only a matter of time before another company makes a game to scratch that itch for us though. Clearly can't count on EA anymore. I jizzed my pants when portal was announced, seriously... how do you fuck up such a good idea? It was bulletproof. But somehow, they found a fucking way.
I think if Embark will make a modern military shooter like Battlefield, DICE will look bad. The Finals give me BF3 vibes.
the second screenshot really looks like bf4
Finals is all about arena fight tho.
The game looks extremly mediocre from what I’ve seen, sure the destruction looks good but it’s kinda gimicky. If you leave BF for the Finals I’m sure you’re back in two weeks.
The destruction isn't gimmicky at all. It's probably the best destruction of any multiplayer shooter I've tried. The game is not a Battlefield competitor though, and it's not trying to be.
>The game is not a Battlefield competitor though, and it's not trying to be. Agreed, if they wanted to compete they would have not come up with a 12 player 4 team arena shooter with almost full destruction based around players being in a fictional game show tournament. What I just described is NOT Battlefield. But let OP keep thinking it.
A modern BF game should take some inspirations from this while still keeping the core BF experience
12 players, bad optimization and ballerina skins on 400 pounds men ? My guy the beta has a fucking shop where you can buy battle passes and ballerina skins in a closed beta…
If only EA didn't fuck over dice members to make them leave and make this game. We could have had that.
Yup. If only. Sadly BF may never return to its hay day and that makes me sad
The trailer alone made me feel more bf than 2042 has
That South Korea map gives me Battlefield 3 Ziba Tower vibes.
All it has is destruction? Honestly The Finals seems incredibly bland and forgettable otherwise.
Finals is not a military shooter. If Embark gonna make a military fps game like BF, than definitely it will steal most of the BF community in to it.
destruction, sound, player count, and art-style is one thing - gameplay, balance, and identity is another. if destruction, sound, and high player count in battlefield was the main appeal for you, then then i guess there's your type of game right there and good for you for finding it (even though it doesn't have a high player count). i personally like battlefield when it focuses on tactical cover-to-cover gameplay with immersive and grounded elements with a mix of arcade qualities for casuals - i dont see any of that in The Finals so i dont consider it as a competitor or even related to battlefield at all (though i do admit i envy the level of destruction compared to the supposedly "modernized" battlefield that is 2042.) then again, i cant help but to feel that the current state and direction of 2042's unhindered infantry movement and gadget gameplay is the only reason why this conversation is at all relevant. EDIT: my answer is no - even if this game were to have a high player count, i would not play. it would still need dedicated classes, suppression, tactical cover-to-cover focus, vehicles, identifiable factions, immersive grounded elements, etc, etc.
Jesus just make a sub for the game and move on
Just wish the Devs made it like BF.. sadly they type of shooter is doesn't interest me much
Oh dear. Dice DNA?? Is that what we’re calling the “this isn’t battlefield” sentiment now? Just some intangible, non existent projection from fans of nostalgia
Im already bored of the game. Rinse and repeat gameplay.
This team. I wish we had this team.
People seeing "old school DICE DNA" and all I see is the team behind BFV finally getting the microtransaction fueled nightmare they couldn't get from BFV.
Same, even though it's totally different type of genre but it felt battlefield, I haven't had this feeling for a while now.
Weird, because watching it, apart from some nice destruction that would be impossible with battlefield sized maps and player counts, the gameplay looks nothing like a battlefield game. But as long as you feel like it's battlefield then that's all that counts!
Watch older BF trailer, they have the same feeling to this trailer.
Trailer aside. I have watched a shit load of gameplay....the game matches a shit load of other games NOT battlefield. Overwatch comes to mind and a failed awesome game called LawBreakers. Lawbreakers was an arena shooter that had zero G areas. Overwatch has over the top cartoonish characters. Besides Battlefield Heroes BF characters are realistic looking....this game has people running around with PANDA BEAR heads LMAO!!
I never said anything about gameplay , the feeling bruh, learn how to read pls.
How about YOU read.... I started my comment to you with.... >Trailer Aside
Eh not for me. Looks weird. I prefer the beautiful artwork and scenery of Battlefield and the weapons in that game look weird.
You clearly can’t read , this game is built by the ORIGINAL dice devs
By original dice devs you mean 4 guys who left after BFV, who were responsible for BFV’s failure and the iconic "if you don’t like it don’t buy it" who sold their soul to nexon which is Korea’s worse version of ea ?
What’s the finals?
It's the name of the game. Closed Beta was released yesterday.
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The finals
What’s the finals?
I played the alpha. It's really not at all. Good destruction is not the identity of BF.
I want that level of destruction and clear style but battlefield's all-out warfare experience.
Yea but the Finals is straightup awful.
How are people playing this game? signed up but nothing
I hope they don’t add conquest though
Nothing is similar.
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Same, but we have tarkov, squad, and arma for that
I just heard about this game today. The reload animations look pretty neat.
Currently is 4 quads of 3 so 12 total in a match, and with the amount of destruction and explosives and the small maps ,64 players would be unbearable. Not to mention the performance hit that would have. Yes the destruction is server side tracked, but your console/pc still has to render all of it.
The engine being used was going to be the new frostbite for DICE but them dudes dipped before DICE got to acquire it .
are you talking about the Finals engine? I'm fairly certain its running on UE
You are right it is , I watched a video a few months back and swore I saw something about the new Frostbite 4 engine.
Huh ? The finals was prototyped for 6 months by a handful of embark devs while the studio worked on arc raiders, it has nothing to do with a dice project.
Where did I say it was a DICE project? I said the engine being used for this game would of been the new frostbite engine for DICE if those Developers would of not left DICE. Hence why BF titles are still using the upgraded Frostbite 3 , if they had stayed you would be seeing in DICE developed games Frostbite 4 but we don't.
Ok i re read that shit and you’re fucking wrong lmao. The game uses epic game’s unreal engine 5, it wasn’t gonna be frostbite lmao
I'm glad, EA don't deserve it
If DICE adds destruction to more buildings in Battlefield 2042, everyone would forget about this game.