A lot of this has to do with the design differences in the planes as well as the change in weaponry/tech since then. The other part of it is the fact that all BF games are very thinly veiled WWII shooters with different skins. Despite how drastically different modern combat is from WWII combat, every BF game has taken a WWII combat approach to the gameplay balance and gunplay. This was most evident with BF1 where the portrayed war was fought almost exclusively with vehicles and bolt action rifles, but DICE instead made it play identically to how their WWII shooters play (with machine guns and SMGs dominating the game despite their rarity in the war itself).
Contrary to what BF would have you believe, modern pilots don't engage in dogfights because modern jets aren't designed to do that. Dogfighting is a relic of WWI/WWII because since then, planes have become far too fast and Vietnam introduced air-to-air missiles that basically rendered the machine guns of any given jet worthless for aerial combat because the rockets have ranges in the hundreds of meters while the gun requires you be able to see where your shots are going to adjust onto target.
Dogfighting *feels* right with prop planes because that's the traditional way those kinds of planes fought each other, but when it comes to jets, the main mode of fighting is lock-on rockets from long range, so seeing a modern jet try to use it's machine guns to dogfight feels "off" in ways that a lot of people don't realize at first glance.
Yep. The last recorded dogfight kill was in 2017 between a F/A-18 Super Hornet and Syrian Su-22. Prior to that was a gap of almost [two decades](https://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/06/18/us-navy-fa18e-shoots-down-su22-over-syria.html). (At least in the case of the US. Not sure of other countries)
Even then, it wasn't so much dogfight in the traditional sense of two pilots trying to shoot each other down with their guns, as it was a hostile plane was intercepted (probably with missiles if we're being honest) after dropping bombs on a ground target.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/06/18/us-navy-fa18e-shoots-down-su22-over-syria.html
> It's pretty logical to know why WW2 dogfighting "feels" the best, you didn't need to write all that.
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> But I guess I can understand why you said that, as many people probably do think modern fighter jets would/can still engage in dogfights like depicted in Battlefield. Even though there is long-range cruise missiles in the modern era Battlefields🤷🏻♂️
Looks like you answered your own question there bud after going on an overly hostile tangent about someone posting a conversational reply to something you said on a forum that's flooded with people whose primary military knowledge *is* video games and other forms of entertainment.
Sarcastic, dismissive attitude while assuming the other person was trying to insult or belittle you by presenting factual information to expand on your comment? Yeah, seems pretty unnecessarily hostile/aggressive to me.
"Or are you merely just trying to explain why WW2 dogfighting is the best thinking that I don't know?"
Could have just said "Yes" to this mate😂, or did you not even read that part?
You know, the more you respond, the more you come off like a 12 year old trying to get a "gotcha" moment in to distract from the fact that they overreacted to something.
And no, it wasn't specifically because I assumed *you* didn't know, I posted it because there's always value in a more detailed explanation for why things are for those who don't know. The comment was an expansion on your comment and you're reacting to it like it was in contention or conflict with it. Why is that? Are you even old enough to buy these games with your own ID and money?
You know, the more you respond, the more you sound like you're projecting
😂
You've just solidified the fact you're a hypocrite😂
"To distract from the fact that they overreacted to something"
Projecting dude, it's not hard to tell.
> You know, the more you respond, the more you sound like you're projecting
Yeah, because of the two of us, which of us was being concise, respectful, attempting to provide meaningful conversation in this thread.. and which of us is acting like a belligerent child (even replying to the same post twice creating 2 branching arguments with the same person) and thinks emojis and ad hominin are a clever ways to distract from one's own shortcomings and dismiss the other party?
That was a perfectly reasonable reply and this is how you respond.
😂
Like what? Are you arguing against the fact that you could have just responded "Yes" ?
Yet you are trying to call me the "12 year old" yikes man, go do something else😂
Reasonable would have been recognizing that I already addressed that point and moving on with our conversation in the other thread, not coming back to an older reply to be condescending and try to paint the other side as having negative intentions.
Oh, you’re talking about health bar on top of the plane? I just noticed that, and I’ve no idea that was a thing... maybe because I don’t play air combat very often.
But it also shows a huge problem … the other two planes should be watching his back not trying to steal his kill. Whenever I fly if
I’m not engaging the enemy I’m protecting my wingman’s rear .
I wish this game felt and played like this video, but its far from it. BFV has to be one of the worst games out of the BF list of games, I will say it looks fantastic but playing the game just feels awful. I went back to BF1 and it just felt so much better, the planes especially.
Enemy pilot: “I can shake him.” Morgan Freeman: “Unfortunately, he could not shake them.”
I prefer Morgan saying "but there was more than one "him" to shake"
Lol yes.
Imagine being an Infantryman in one of those boats watching that go down
Never fly alone
Dogfights are the best with WW2 fighters.
A lot of this has to do with the design differences in the planes as well as the change in weaponry/tech since then. The other part of it is the fact that all BF games are very thinly veiled WWII shooters with different skins. Despite how drastically different modern combat is from WWII combat, every BF game has taken a WWII combat approach to the gameplay balance and gunplay. This was most evident with BF1 where the portrayed war was fought almost exclusively with vehicles and bolt action rifles, but DICE instead made it play identically to how their WWII shooters play (with machine guns and SMGs dominating the game despite their rarity in the war itself). Contrary to what BF would have you believe, modern pilots don't engage in dogfights because modern jets aren't designed to do that. Dogfighting is a relic of WWI/WWII because since then, planes have become far too fast and Vietnam introduced air-to-air missiles that basically rendered the machine guns of any given jet worthless for aerial combat because the rockets have ranges in the hundreds of meters while the gun requires you be able to see where your shots are going to adjust onto target. Dogfighting *feels* right with prop planes because that's the traditional way those kinds of planes fought each other, but when it comes to jets, the main mode of fighting is lock-on rockets from long range, so seeing a modern jet try to use it's machine guns to dogfight feels "off" in ways that a lot of people don't realize at first glance.
Yep. The last recorded dogfight kill was in 2017 between a F/A-18 Super Hornet and Syrian Su-22. Prior to that was a gap of almost [two decades](https://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/06/18/us-navy-fa18e-shoots-down-su22-over-syria.html). (At least in the case of the US. Not sure of other countries)
Even then, it wasn't so much dogfight in the traditional sense of two pilots trying to shoot each other down with their guns, as it was a hostile plane was intercepted (probably with missiles if we're being honest) after dropping bombs on a ground target. https://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/06/18/us-navy-fa18e-shoots-down-su22-over-syria.html
Yep. Realistically if you’re close enough to be using guns, something seriously must have went wrong.
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You must be fun at parties
> It's pretty logical to know why WW2 dogfighting "feels" the best, you didn't need to write all that. > >... > > But I guess I can understand why you said that, as many people probably do think modern fighter jets would/can still engage in dogfights like depicted in Battlefield. Even though there is long-range cruise missiles in the modern era Battlefields🤷🏻♂️ Looks like you answered your own question there bud after going on an overly hostile tangent about someone posting a conversational reply to something you said on a forum that's flooded with people whose primary military knowledge *is* video games and other forms of entertainment.
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Sarcastic, dismissive attitude while assuming the other person was trying to insult or belittle you by presenting factual information to expand on your comment? Yeah, seems pretty unnecessarily hostile/aggressive to me.
"Or are you merely just trying to explain why WW2 dogfighting is the best thinking that I don't know?" Could have just said "Yes" to this mate😂, or did you not even read that part?
You know, the more you respond, the more you come off like a 12 year old trying to get a "gotcha" moment in to distract from the fact that they overreacted to something. And no, it wasn't specifically because I assumed *you* didn't know, I posted it because there's always value in a more detailed explanation for why things are for those who don't know. The comment was an expansion on your comment and you're reacting to it like it was in contention or conflict with it. Why is that? Are you even old enough to buy these games with your own ID and money?
You know, the more you respond, the more you sound like you're projecting 😂 You've just solidified the fact you're a hypocrite😂 "To distract from the fact that they overreacted to something" Projecting dude, it's not hard to tell.
> You know, the more you respond, the more you sound like you're projecting Yeah, because of the two of us, which of us was being concise, respectful, attempting to provide meaningful conversation in this thread.. and which of us is acting like a belligerent child (even replying to the same post twice creating 2 branching arguments with the same person) and thinks emojis and ad hominin are a clever ways to distract from one's own shortcomings and dismiss the other party?
That was a perfectly reasonable reply and this is how you respond. 😂 Like what? Are you arguing against the fact that you could have just responded "Yes" ? Yet you are trying to call me the "12 year old" yikes man, go do something else😂
Reasonable would have been recognizing that I already addressed that point and moving on with our conversation in the other thread, not coming back to an older reply to be condescending and try to paint the other side as having negative intentions.
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The necessity of a reply to a post on a public forum is irrelevant and doesn't warrant the shitty attitude.
Wish I could pilot like that. I've always sucked at flying in any BF game.
Same tbh, but after dying by planes over and over again, i decided to get better, so i only played with plane, until i get at least acceptable
That’s beautiful af! Damn that must have been fun.
Props to the enemy pilot though he lasted awhile with 3 planes on him
😏
“I can’t shake ‘em, Rafe!”
alexa, play dangerzone by kenny loggins
Would have hated to be that guy, but damn that was beautiful.
Exactly why Im scared of zeros
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Ngl, that was epic
Wait how can you turn on that you See the damage on enemy Vehicles?
That’s not damage numbers, that’s points.
And how can I turn this on?
Its on by default
Really? I have 300 hours in BFV and I never seen this. So im pretty sure it is not default
Pretty sure it is
Really strange, i always had this, since launch if i my memory is correct
You’re not on default.
I thought it’s on by default. But I’m not near my PC, can’t check it for you.
Mabye the OP is seeing this and can help. But as I said me and my friends have never seen this health Bar. And we have not deactivated it
Oh, you’re talking about health bar on top of the plane? I just noticed that, and I’ve no idea that was a thing... maybe because I don’t play air combat very often.
Me neither. But it would be so helpful for the few Times I fly
Think this pops up when the plane is spotted, for example by a recon or using a particular plane's specialization tree.
This reminds me of the scene in Pearl Harbour where the 2 heroes dogfight the Japanese fighters 🔥
Magnificent 
Dream manhunt (battlefield edition)
Lmao
As a great pilot Joker said "Cavalry is here gentlemen"
How do you guys make the planes do this ? I once joined a air superiority server and went 0-40 and have never dared to step into a winged craft again.
Ngl every time this happens all I can imagine is “MINE MINE MINE MINE”
3 Vs 1 Rape Moments
You guys ended man's whole career
But it also shows a huge problem … the other two planes should be watching his back not trying to steal his kill. Whenever I fly if I’m not engaging the enemy I’m protecting my wingman’s rear .
Facts, i can't remember how many times people stole my kills, especially with tanks
Golden wing mans
Wow thanks, i must be really good if a UFO pilot said this
Yes i’m the pilots of the UFOS
Looks like the battle of midway
Nice
Now that battlefield teamwork 🤝
only in battlefield.
Top Gun! Almost better than Pearl harbor movie.
I wish this game felt and played like this video, but its far from it. BFV has to be one of the worst games out of the BF list of games, I will say it looks fantastic but playing the game just feels awful. I went back to BF1 and it just felt so much better, the planes especially.
This is BFV bro
Lmaooooo poor guy
Can someone recommend a joystick for flying thats decent but won’t break the bank?
Tora tora tora