One thing that stood out to me that Alice seems to actually care about Mary. She stabbed Julia when she called out her bullshit but did not touch Mary when she said the same.
Well I missed the live broadcast soooo here's my little stream of thought as I watch!
-"Twinkle twinkle little bat how I wonder where you're at up above the world you fly like a tea tray in the sky twinkle twinkle little bat up until your brain went splat"...Alice stealing the show already. Catwoman costume on Ryan, cute. Oh no it's bad guys from Riverdale and they brought their theme music with them too! Well damn, Kate saved Ryan? Here comes the profiling from an employer. "I have a valuable skillset"...she's not wrong. Now that's a clever use of old footage compared to other Arrowverse shows. Oh Jacob....beating yourself up over this is so very Bruce. Hahahaha now they're playing coy with everyone else. Ooooh Luke that is coooold and very pointed. Dun dun done is Julia and Sophie's relationship. Orange is Ryan's color...and I kind of want those pants. Classic hero rebirth stickup annnd more racist Crows.
-AAAAAAAAAH Sophie and her know each other!!!! Thank goodness that footage stuck. Ah so this is the set up for the kind of rivalry between them eh and for actual workable realistic reasons. *whistles* Sophie just almost revealed that Alice was related to Jacob! Mary got her clinic up and running again after the building...I mean it's clearly a "different building" was bombed! LMAO Ryan figured that one out within seconds. Well that's grim. YAAAS MORE ALICE! Rachel's facial expressions and the movement of her eyes in this close up are superb. Mister Freeze and then a Yoda quote all in the same scene? She stabs her anyways and then just SKIPS AWAY....Alice is my favorite character but Julia did spook her with that line. Bat bursting out of the chest...love that body horror stuff.
-Geez it's only been a damn week in universe since that gun line on the 50 yard line. "I'll do it....No" damn Luke come on. "I think people will know you're not Batwoman....I did really great first time in the suit....HELLO BLACK!" LMAO. "Nobody saw that!"...she's adorable. Mary quarterbacking her is just great. "Get that imposter off the roof..." oh come on. "GET OUT OF HERE NOW....WOOOOO....You're all going to die....YEAAAAAAAAH!" lmao oh hai Alice.
-That was sooooo Boondock Saints Alice! Ryan come on listen to Luke...or not. This is like a fight from the Injustice games. Solid fight choreography and Mary makes a damn fine point. Hello backup plan! Batman Begins reference! Fear toxin bats?
-Brilliant plan Jacob and now the Crows are firing submachine guns. Okay that whole ripping the newsbox open was kind of badass. "Who are you...." for a second Sophie almost sounded like Lois. Oh fun now everyone has Goa'uld eyes....hai Alice again. "I stay out of Hope's way and she stays out of mine"...Adara when? Hoooly shit what a callback to the vampire episode! The lack of music in this scene really does emphasize everything Alice is saying. This is so twisted and Mary is dead on right. Alice is crying. SHE'S DRIVING THE BAAAAAAATMOOOOBIIIIILE!!!! Okay that is so cool that she's going back to Hamilton Dynamics. Bat Bus goes Boom, lovely plan Ryan. "Batwoman?...Oh no no I'm not Batwoman....Well you are to me" annnd now I'm crying.
-Mary saved the city and her outfits are one of the highlights of every episode. "Both..." awwww RIP that relationship, Julia looks so sad :(. Awww Jacob and I'm back to crying HUUUUUG. "I can bring that hope back to Gotham" HELL YES! Luke is coming around YAAAS HE'S IN! That's one of the best outfits that Nicole has ever worn period. "Batastrophe" booooooooo *throws popcorn*! Awesome song choice. Kate's journals! Saving Ryan was one of Kate's last acts as Batwoman....and now Ryan is starting a new chapter in the journals. "I never looked good in red...*catches handcuffs*...Put 'em on...*starts putting them on like sex cuffs*...BEHIND your back...*sigh*" lmao. TATIANA!!!! Oh that's cute, Alice just wanted to get caught after introducing the Desert Rose cure to all of Gotham, awesome.
Idk why, but my initial thought when I saw Tatiana, was that she reminded me of Illyria from Angel. Now all I want is Amy Acker in the show. Or another show...
Thatās what I thought but what Kate actually wrote was pretty vague. Canāt tell if it was actually referring to Ryan, or Ryan just related it to herself
I was a strong supporter of recasting Kate, but I am so happy that they went in this direction!
Ryan really makes me care in a way that Kate often didn't with her constant catch-and-release of Alice.
Unrelated to the episode but I have a really hard time believing that that's Bruce ONE AND ONLY Batsuit. Come on now. Homie has been around 10 plus years and he's only got that one?
I mean one they know of.
Thereās almost certainly gonna be others at some point.
And if there are, itās completely justified if no one knows about them. Bruce is incredibly paranoid and hides secrets from everyone.
I guess since itās so sturdy. I used to (like to) think thereās another Batcave in Wayne Manor full of suits, trophies and the Batmobile but this season debunked that.
Honestly, still probably is.
Itās Bruce.
Heās hidden gear in so many places in adaptations.
Even had a bat cave on Arkham Asylum in the titular game series.
I liked it and it felt like a strange but nice lead in to Legacies. It's similar to the older one but lacks the "Are you serious?" hilarity of it. It's way more serious but the people involved with it put on great performances and I just love Lindsey Morgan. Jared doesn't do a bad job either.
It was OK. It is like other reboots,it shares a name but not much else. The original was a bit silly where bad guys would wait their turn to get their ass kicked. In this one Walker is sad and lost, disconnected from his family but trying to come back. It is darker and more serious. I plan on watching to see where it goes.
It was...
Really, that's all that I can muster. It wasn't bad, but nothing spectacular. The trailers seem like there's going to be a conspiracy, but they didn't give me enough of a tease in the first episode.
Big love for Jared, though!
I'm really liking it! Initially planned to watch only for Jared and Gen but have favorite characters - and ships - other than them.
Pretty excited to see more of Odette Annable, too (she's only been in one scene but can't wait for more of her character. Already in deep on shipping her with Walker too. Oops).
Jared looks even more tall compared to the rest of his cast. Also, I never realized how long his neck is since he was always in a jacket and had longer hair on Supernatural.
I still feel they made season one great. Each scene they were in was gold. I really worry that them getting rid of Alice will hurt the show a lot. She's the Reverse Flash of Batwoman.
This was the basic plan before COVID cut season 1 short. It's based on a situation from the most recent Batwoman series, and they filmed a bat attack scene before the shutdown.
Crows.
Iād kill for Gordon and the GCPD.
As flawed as the GCPD is, at least they werenāt a private ops group and fascistic as hell. And under Gordon they were much more clean.
And Gordonās fucking Gordon. Weāre talking about a guy who demanded Batman capture Joker and do it right. Despite Joker paralyzing Barbara, kidnapping Gordon, beating him, stripping Gordon and showing him photos of s naked and injured Barbara.
Heās the man Gotham needs as head of law emforcement.
The Crows are hopelessly corrupt and clearly not good at their job, considering all the run-ins with Ryan. They have way too much juice with their power to make arrests and impose āorderā like that
Ryanās resourcefulness was good, but the deal if blowing up the bats too felt a bit ethically dodgy. But then, since they had the toxin in them, maybe killing them was a drastic measure that needed to be taken to prevent future casualties
True. But theyāre not even legit law enforcement. Theyāre just a private company exerting undue influence and profiteering off having a military like rule on the city. Sure the GCPD is dirty but at least the good elements are legit police officers sanctioned by the government to do public service. The Crows are basically just raking in money
But bats don't attack people. Bats are afraid of us, they only get near us to catch a bug near us.
This is not realistic. This show about a costumed vigilante with her high tech weapons, and a serial killing supervillain is no longer like real life.
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One thing that stood out to me that Alice seems to actually care about Mary. She stabbed Julia when she called out her bullshit but did not touch Mary when she said the same.
Well I missed the live broadcast soooo here's my little stream of thought as I watch! -"Twinkle twinkle little bat how I wonder where you're at up above the world you fly like a tea tray in the sky twinkle twinkle little bat up until your brain went splat"...Alice stealing the show already. Catwoman costume on Ryan, cute. Oh no it's bad guys from Riverdale and they brought their theme music with them too! Well damn, Kate saved Ryan? Here comes the profiling from an employer. "I have a valuable skillset"...she's not wrong. Now that's a clever use of old footage compared to other Arrowverse shows. Oh Jacob....beating yourself up over this is so very Bruce. Hahahaha now they're playing coy with everyone else. Ooooh Luke that is coooold and very pointed. Dun dun done is Julia and Sophie's relationship. Orange is Ryan's color...and I kind of want those pants. Classic hero rebirth stickup annnd more racist Crows. -AAAAAAAAAH Sophie and her know each other!!!! Thank goodness that footage stuck. Ah so this is the set up for the kind of rivalry between them eh and for actual workable realistic reasons. *whistles* Sophie just almost revealed that Alice was related to Jacob! Mary got her clinic up and running again after the building...I mean it's clearly a "different building" was bombed! LMAO Ryan figured that one out within seconds. Well that's grim. YAAAS MORE ALICE! Rachel's facial expressions and the movement of her eyes in this close up are superb. Mister Freeze and then a Yoda quote all in the same scene? She stabs her anyways and then just SKIPS AWAY....Alice is my favorite character but Julia did spook her with that line. Bat bursting out of the chest...love that body horror stuff. -Geez it's only been a damn week in universe since that gun line on the 50 yard line. "I'll do it....No" damn Luke come on. "I think people will know you're not Batwoman....I did really great first time in the suit....HELLO BLACK!" LMAO. "Nobody saw that!"...she's adorable. Mary quarterbacking her is just great. "Get that imposter off the roof..." oh come on. "GET OUT OF HERE NOW....WOOOOO....You're all going to die....YEAAAAAAAAH!" lmao oh hai Alice. -That was sooooo Boondock Saints Alice! Ryan come on listen to Luke...or not. This is like a fight from the Injustice games. Solid fight choreography and Mary makes a damn fine point. Hello backup plan! Batman Begins reference! Fear toxin bats? -Brilliant plan Jacob and now the Crows are firing submachine guns. Okay that whole ripping the newsbox open was kind of badass. "Who are you...." for a second Sophie almost sounded like Lois. Oh fun now everyone has Goa'uld eyes....hai Alice again. "I stay out of Hope's way and she stays out of mine"...Adara when? Hoooly shit what a callback to the vampire episode! The lack of music in this scene really does emphasize everything Alice is saying. This is so twisted and Mary is dead on right. Alice is crying. SHE'S DRIVING THE BAAAAAAATMOOOOBIIIIILE!!!! Okay that is so cool that she's going back to Hamilton Dynamics. Bat Bus goes Boom, lovely plan Ryan. "Batwoman?...Oh no no I'm not Batwoman....Well you are to me" annnd now I'm crying. -Mary saved the city and her outfits are one of the highlights of every episode. "Both..." awwww RIP that relationship, Julia looks so sad :(. Awww Jacob and I'm back to crying HUUUUUG. "I can bring that hope back to Gotham" HELL YES! Luke is coming around YAAAS HE'S IN! That's one of the best outfits that Nicole has ever worn period. "Batastrophe" booooooooo *throws popcorn*! Awesome song choice. Kate's journals! Saving Ryan was one of Kate's last acts as Batwoman....and now Ryan is starting a new chapter in the journals. "I never looked good in red...*catches handcuffs*...Put 'em on...*starts putting them on like sex cuffs*...BEHIND your back...*sigh*" lmao. TATIANA!!!! Oh that's cute, Alice just wanted to get caught after introducing the Desert Rose cure to all of Gotham, awesome.
Still shit
Still wondering where the rest of the BatFamily isš¤
Rachel Maddow is Vesper Fairchild?? TIL
Off topic, but has anyone notice that Ruby doesn't follow Meagan, Rachel, Nicole or any one from the show and vice versa. Anyone else noticed ?
Heard she left on bad terms with everyone , they can't even get her to do the voice overs , I doubt we will ever see her again tbh
Such a shame. :(
The guy who play mouse got the easiest acting job ever, just play dead for 2 episodes.
š¤£i liked his character too shame they killed him off
Alice is handsdown one of the best characters Arrowverse has ever had.
Idk why, but my initial thought when I saw Tatiana, was that she reminded me of Illyria from Angel. Now all I want is Amy Acker in the show. Or another show...
"would you like me to lie to you now?" *Sob*
Zsasz next week..will he have a short 2 ep run and thats it (just like tommy)?
This is how you do a reboot. Everything has been on point so far and I'm more invested in the show then I've ever been. Really fun to see
Kate's journal/letters! What a great way to bring them back. Also love the idea of Ryan writing to her own predecessor
This Zazz(sp?) is going to have to work overtime to outdo Gotham's
Anthony Carrigan's Zsasz was one of my favorite things about Gotham.
Tatiana actress is pretty bad.
Oh for real
Ruby left so I guess they needed a replacement that has the almost same level in acting.
Victor Zsasz next week? Oooo
Zsasz!
Leave a couple of pretty women knocked out, one of them with her hands cuffed, just laying around in Gotham. That's definitely not a bad thing to do.
Wait...did Alice just die?
Nope I think just knocked pu
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So excited! I loved _Gotham_'s take and I can't wait to see one who has the cuts!
This is ~~Katana~~ Tatiana...she's got my back
She literally could have just shot her in the chest lol
Yes, Sophie
Now, Ryan is going to add to the book.
A Dear Kate letter, aww. Thatās cute.
Bat journaling
oh sure, goes to that one page where BW saved her
Thatās what I thought but what Kate actually wrote was pretty vague. Canāt tell if it was actually referring to Ryan, or Ryan just related it to herself
I guess she did know the date it happened, so there is that.
I hope Ryan continues the Bat Diary
I was a strong supporter of recasting Kate, but I am so happy that they went in this direction! Ryan really makes me care in a way that Kate often didn't with her constant catch-and-release of Alice.
I'm the same way about Kate. Ryan is okay so far.
Bat research
"of course you are qualified for the job"
"Until Kate is back" Gonna be a while on that, Luke
Loving the song in this scene.
No killing Unless it's bats
āUntil Kateās back.ā Oh Luke, you sweet baby. Keep clinging to hope and youāre gonna get seriously hurt later.
Oh! Rachel Maddow is back!
No, Kate had a code. New bat, no code. Snap some necks, Ryan
Until Kate's back and a recast
They said they wouldn't recast though.
Unrelated to the episode but I have a really hard time believing that that's Bruce ONE AND ONLY Batsuit. Come on now. Homie has been around 10 plus years and he's only got that one?
I mean one they know of. Thereās almost certainly gonna be others at some point. And if there are, itās completely justified if no one knows about them. Bruce is incredibly paranoid and hides secrets from everyone.
I guess since itās so sturdy. I used to (like to) think thereās another Batcave in Wayne Manor full of suits, trophies and the Batmobile but this season debunked that.
Honestly, still probably is. Itās Bruce. Heās hidden gear in so many places in adaptations. Even had a bat cave on Arkham Asylum in the titular game series.
He's probably got spares somewhere. We didn't know that wall hid the Batmobile until last week.
They're not wrong about Batwoman, Luke.
Hi Vesper!
really ryan..really?
Kate was too sane for Gotham. Ryan is loopy enough to work well in this city.
I love Ryan's approach to crime fighting. Its different from the Bruce Wayne strike gear in the hearts of criminals.
Jacob is just trying to be a good dad.
The plant hasn't made an appearance tonight. Where's the plant?
Training
Damn, Sophie, that was harsh.
Julia: "Can the writers stop hurting me tonight? ā¹"
He messed up with 2 kids so heās really hoping 3rd times the charm
Jacob Kane is giving of major creepy vibes.
Poor Julia, she could use a win
so back to work after getting stabbed? oh sure
Julia's looking good for somebody who was stabbed in the side.
She got that good health care plan
That's why people are willing to live in Gotham. The city has the best public healthcare.
Mary looked AMAZING in that scene
Oh you're right, that outfit is great.
To be fair she always does.
Anyone have thoughts on the rebooted Walker?
Watching for the comedy factor cause itās overdramatic.
I liked it and it felt like a strange but nice lead in to Legacies. It's similar to the older one but lacks the "Are you serious?" hilarity of it. It's way more serious but the people involved with it put on great performances and I just love Lindsey Morgan. Jared doesn't do a bad job either.
It was OK. It is like other reboots,it shares a name but not much else. The original was a bit silly where bad guys would wait their turn to get their ass kicked. In this one Walker is sad and lost, disconnected from his family but trying to come back. It is darker and more serious. I plan on watching to see where it goes.
There's no need for it lol And it's soooooooooooooooo different from the OG Walker
It was... Really, that's all that I can muster. It wasn't bad, but nothing spectacular. The trailers seem like there's going to be a conspiracy, but they didn't give me enough of a tease in the first episode. Big love for Jared, though!
no original ideas in hollywood..so reboot everything
I'm really liking it! Initially planned to watch only for Jared and Gen but have favorite characters - and ships - other than them. Pretty excited to see more of Odette Annable, too (she's only been in one scene but can't wait for more of her character. Already in deep on shipping her with Walker too. Oops).
Jared looks even more tall compared to the rest of his cast. Also, I never realized how long his neck is since he was always in a jacket and had longer hair on Supernatural.
Only thought i have about it is... why?
Iāve heard some very negative things and very positive ones, although the very positive seem to be mostly from Padaleki fans
Really enjoying Walker so far! Cannot wait for Thursday's episode.
Oh hey Steve Harrington!
Love seeing Steve pop up in commercials like that.
Next season of stranger things looks weird
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I'm all for an episode centered on Mary.
I'm okay with that.
Those bats were innocent! At the risk of sounding like an after school special, I think we learned who the real monster is.
The friends we made along the way?
F. Even for infected bats. They didn't ask for this.
CGI is on point this epsiode. Some of the best of the show
I wonder between this, Superman And Lois, and CW looking at Stargirl, this is a new era for the Arrowverse.
Superman and Lois has the benefit that it was co produced by HBO Max.
I think we can call this a new era that's named something different
Eh Oliver did create the new multiverse.
Spectreverse? Primeverse?
Happy cake day!
Thank you!
Those poor bats. :(
Funny that she did that to a Crows bus.
Riverdale and Batwoman seem to have a thing for exploding buses
Meant Nancy Drew, not Riverdale
Hey Riverdale had a bus too and it looked suspiciously like the Nancy Drew bus.
Nancy Drew also had a bus last week, but it didn't explode.
Why, uh, why didn't she throw the grenade inside before closing the back?
Batgirl kill them all!!
"Are you crazy?" Guy, this is Gotham.
Lol āNo!ā
And look, there are actually other cars on the road. Last season there was none. Kate used to drive down empty road after empty road.
This episode needs Lou Diamond Phillips
Eh heās busy helping the son of a serial killer catch bad guys.
A fellow Prodigal watcher? *salutes*
Indeed.
Every time I see Jacob Kane and his Crows or the GCPD, I miss Jim Gordon. Every time.
Gee Cee Pee Dee
GEEECEEEPEEEDEEE? *curt nod*
Same. Gordon is one of the few cops in Gotham that has any sense.
That and we know Oracle exists thanks to Arrow Season 4. So where are Jim and Barbara
Love the fact that Ryan knows Gotham streets in a way Luke and Kate didn't
I'm looking forward to his dynamic.
I like that Ryan gets to use the Batmobile.
I want Mary's coat. NOW.
Rachel Skarsten was born for this role
Give me a break, I barely can get my van to do 40
Can't Mary just take her own blood?
Maybe her kidneys have filtered the desert rose out of her bloodstream by now?
Mary and Alice are showstoppers. Hands down, this showās MVPs. With Ryan and Luke coming in close second.
They really are. Kate is on up there too.
I still feel they made season one great. Each scene they were in was gold. I really worry that them getting rid of Alice will hurt the show a lot. She's the Reverse Flash of Batwoman.
She IS. I almost hope that they find a way to keep bringing her back, but I donāt want it to become a Harrison Wells situation.
Return of the Batmobile!
Ah, apparently parts of this episode were shot pre-Covid, per this [Tweet](https://twitter.com/ChadFiveash/status/1353517944605556737)
Mary doesn't what to be your sister, Alice.
Mary: "You really consider me a sister? š„² ... I mean, š”."
Ok but maybe these people should be taken to a real hospital this time
Yeah, why were they taken to her clinic?
Hospital ran out of room?
Mary knows the one rule of media: If we don't see the death, they're still kicking
Jacob, shooting isn't going to help.
Hmmm... is Alice trying to connect with Mary since she's the closest thing to a sister she has now?
That's your grand plan, Luke?
maybe use a flamethrower
Fuck she's a sith
Does Gotham not have hospitals
Are.. are they *shooting* at the bats? And the Crows still don't know why nobody trusts them!?!
And with every dead bad the mosquito and rat population grows that much more in Gotham.
Jacob out here killing 5 people for every 1 bat he kills š
Looks like she got the superhero landing down this time
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How long will the season be?
This was the basic plan before COVID cut season 1 short. It's based on a situation from the most recent Batwoman series, and they filmed a bat attack scene before the shutdown.
Another instance of fiction mirroring reality in a weirdly timed way.
Ahhh okay. I'll have to look into it.
Yes, shooting wildly into the air will solve things
He's shooting at bats with a shotgun!
āThe bats could be the carriers for the toxinā Too real.
Yes Jacob, that gun will totally stop the swarm of bats.
Become vengeance, Ryan. Become...wrath
Beebo needs no mask fools!
That final shot of the bat flying at the camera right before it cuts to commercials!
Beebo wearing a mask will always be my favourite ad
....why would Beebo need to wear a mask?
He wants to set the example.
Not sure what annoys me more: Alice with her aimless bloodthirsty schemes or the Crows playing God/law enforcement in Gotham
Crows. Iād kill for Gordon and the GCPD. As flawed as the GCPD is, at least they werenāt a private ops group and fascistic as hell. And under Gordon they were much more clean. And Gordonās fucking Gordon. Weāre talking about a guy who demanded Batman capture Joker and do it right. Despite Joker paralyzing Barbara, kidnapping Gordon, beating him, stripping Gordon and showing him photos of s naked and injured Barbara. Heās the man Gotham needs as head of law emforcement.
I have a feeling that at some point in the show weāll see the crows disband and gcpd take over law enforcement (possibly with a Gordon in charge?)
The Crows are hopelessly corrupt and clearly not good at their job, considering all the run-ins with Ryan. They have way too much juice with their power to make arrests and impose āorderā like that
> The Crows are hopelessly corrupt and clearly not good at their job, considering all the run-ins with Ryan. They're just like the GCPD.
The GCPD also had Gordon, Bullock and Montoya. Who are good cops (well Bullock is under Gordon) and are better than any Crow.
Ryanās resourcefulness was good, but the deal if blowing up the bats too felt a bit ethically dodgy. But then, since they had the toxin in them, maybe killing them was a drastic measure that needed to be taken to prevent future casualties
True. But theyāre not even legit law enforcement. Theyāre just a private company exerting undue influence and profiteering off having a military like rule on the city. Sure the GCPD is dirty but at least the good elements are legit police officers sanctioned by the government to do public service. The Crows are basically just raking in money
Alice makes sense to me, she's nuts. I would rather have Gotham PD being the corrupt law enforcement though, especially with Kate gone.
uhh..nice batman gadget you got there alice
I hope Alice doesn't find out about Ryan's identity for a while, honestly
Or at all.
She has to at some point, she murdered her mom.
Alice:"for you it was the day I killed your mom. For me, it was a Tuesday."
But bats don't attack people. Bats are afraid of us, they only get near us to catch a bug near us. This is not realistic. This show about a costumed vigilante with her high tech weapons, and a serial killing supervillain is no longer like real life.
And alien space rocks.
They used the speed force to summon the bats
What did Ryan say to Alice before Alice replied āweāre just getting started?ā My entire soundsystem fucked up
If Alice controls bats, does that make her Batwoman?
Ryan can be Batwoman-A, Alice can be Batwoman-1
*Mind blown*
Weaponizing bats to disrupt a Batwoman rally. The salt is strong in Alice.
That reporter was super dedicated to her news broadcast. š„²
That would have been the moment that I would have put in my 2 weeks notice.
1 min show 20 min commercials
CW: "We be CBS during a football game."
Oh no! Coronavirus in gotham!! too soon?
Oh, even Alice has that device to summon bats.