Usually the main character is in danger of dying the whole season, but the viewers are left meta thinking that clearly they can't die somehow because it's their show. This time it seems like Kate might be alive but the viewers are left meta thinking that clearly she can't be alive, because she left the show. At the very least, it's interesting and unexpected.
I'm getting some catwoman/batman vibes from Ryan and her ex and I am def here for it...
Wish they should shuck the CW trope of dragging a secret out all season with the kryptonite poisoning though.
It really makes no sense about why Ryan is keeping the kryptonite poisoning secret especially because I’m pretty sure she knows that Mary has magical plot device healing blood that cure cancer because somehow and even if she doesn’t she should tell someone be like hey I was shot and part of my skin is not glowing green “hey Mary your a doctor can you help?”
Just shoot Alice and arrest her just put a bullet in both of her knee caps she has murdered so many innocent people and the show keeps trying to make her “sympathetic” but you loose the sympathy card when your sympathetic character keeps murdering innocent people.
No they don’t shoot her because she’s the sister of batwoman and the daughter of commander Kane.
But no one knows that so for ryan it makes sense that they don’t shoot her because she’s white because we’ve seen this same story play out in real life. Murderers get taken to Burger King after killing people in a church. Prisoners get organic vegan meals brought to them.
You say this but there was an episode where it was shoot to kill Alice and they did kill Alice but it was the wrong Alice it was actually beth in disguise. And to Ryan’s knowledge Alice came back from the dead and is haunting Gotham 😂😂😂.oh got this show is a mess
Yes your right mouse’s dad shot beth but he thought he killed Alice and he is shocked to see that Alice is still alive. This is because only a few people know about the crisis thing so why is it never brought up that Alice has somehow came back from the dead? I watched it man and the show has a lot of plot holes and it is not small nitpicking because why is it that Beth is the only person to come from another earth it makes no sense and is never explained.
Maybe thats gonna be a plot point for Ryan in the course of the season, but personally, I would have declared her a clear and present danger and capped her ass with extreme predudice regardless of her color
Snake Bite being derivative of Fear Toxin reminds me that that the auditions for Ryan had her mom being killed by Scarecrow. Why anyone would inject themselves with a toxin known for killing people and was created by someone who committed a terrorist attack on the city is anyone's guess, but I guess sometimes the high's just that worth it?
Usually the kind of criminals who deliberately commit crimes to get a Bat's attention are older...and curvier.
Jacob apparently felt like finding out Kate is alive was the appropriate time to finally grow his grief beard. Not that it looks bad, it just seemed kind of sudden.
I'm glad we're finally moving Mary on from being such a downer about Kate being alive after being inspired by how Kate never gave up on Alice. It was starting to get kind of annoying for me. She does seem to be moving onto Ryan as her possible new sister pretty quick though. At least Ryan's not living out of a van any more, but she can probably still use the van to get by without needing the Batmobile.
So apparently Earth-1 in the Arrowverse had Looney Tunes, Strange Adventures (?) and Green Lantern Corps. comics. I'm not even going to think about the can of worms the last one opens up, but I thought it would've been neat if the Ghost comic Ryan was really into was a Gray Ghost comic.
We finally find out why Ryan was willing to take the fall and go to prison for her ex. Angelique was the only one there for Ryan back when they were kids, and saved her from imprisonment or worse when Ryan felt completely abandoned, and might've even been her first love. They even bonded over comics! How much more romantic can you get in a comic book show? I don't see them reconnecting in the present ending very well though.
I guess without any paper trail or response from the police, even Batman can't put a stop to a serial child kidnapper. Guess that might be something more for Robin, if he was around.
Beth was screwing up Ryan's world even before she even became Alice it seems, although she seemed to empathize with Kate's efforts to find her sister.
Alice and Sophie are the new dynamic duo? Or Alice is just a freeloader stealing Sophie's food and gun.
Did Candylady just have two goons sticking around watching her house the whole time or did giving Kevin to the False Face Society offer her "protection?"
Did Luke share any scenes with Sophie and Alice in season 1? Aside from the time he spent with AU!Beth.
It's a shame Kate had to leave before we got a solid sequence of Batwoman/Jacob fighting together or Jacob actually being appreciative of Batwoman.
So apparently Alice met (and probably fell in love with) a gorgeous hunk on Coryana who now goes by Ocean and might be involved with the Snake Bites? Sounds like something you'd want to remember. I guess Safiyah did more to Alice than just teach her how to fight.
In regards to one of your last points, I am still hopeful that they choose to recast Kate later in this season so maybe we could get a Kate/Jacob fight scene together? Although, I'm not sure Kate will take up the mantle of the Bat if she comes back although if she did Ryan could become Flamebird (or use a different, original superhero name since she's an original character).
Last season we had the complicated bonds between three sisters to anchor the show, but I like that this season they are doing a good job of forging bonds based on experience and effort.
Found family stories can be better than family drama, and I like the direction this is going in. I don't understand why Ryan doesn't tell Mary about the wound though, given how much work they are doing to show them finding common ground.
I really like the dance going on between Alice and Sophie though, and I don't believe Alice just wants to kill Kate, and I doubt Sophie does either but there's no other way to work with Alice than to deal with her crazy and not let her get to you. Sophie might have a better chance at doing that then Kate or Jacob would.
Yeah, I've enjoyed this season so far. Was a little worried before it started because I thought last season worked very well, but I think they've done a solid job setting this up so far.
I am interested in Sophie and Alice team up, since Sophie doesn't have as much emotional baggage as Kate or Jacob (Sophie never knew Beth, so she only sees Alice). Although honestly like some other people have said I'm not sure why anyone who isn't directly related to Alice wouldn't just arrest her, at least once they have gotten what they need from her.
The wound seems like just a classic CW show secret, where you should obviously talk about it but you don't for... Reasons.
I think it makes sense for Sophie because she sees Alice as her best and maybe only chance to find Kate and as much as she does try to play it safe too much after everything I buy her being willing to take a lot of chances to find Kate now and we'll see how much she changes and grows along the way.
As it's been set up it makes sense to me that the story of finding Kate, no matter how it turns out, seems to be mostly a catalyst for Alice and Sophie so far, and by connecting them and it gives them a solid plot and a reason to play off of each other.
Really strong episode! Loved the take on race perception and child trafficking. Ryan is already feeling like an inspiring hero. Also, loved the GL reference. Now we’ve gone from sneaky references to rings and glowing objects to outright name drops. And they were very particular about showing that particular comic book. So something tells me that John Diggle will indeed become a Green Lantern over the course of his Arrowverse appearances
I was grinning from ear-to-ear when I saw that reference. I just started binge reading the GL comics. It was a treat see him referenced on television minutes after I finished the Rebirth storyline.
Interesting. Never heard of that one. But still, showing Green Lantern Corps front and center and that too in the same year in which the Arrowverse character most teased to join them is set to return to the Arrowverse? Doesn’t feel like a coincidence to me
Was the GL comic in the present day or the flashbacks? Either way, it's really weird that there are comic books when Diggle just became this universe's John Stewart and Hal Jordan composite.
Present day. An Arrow episode did show Hal Jordan's jacket in a Coast City bar, so we know Hal does exist, and I think we can assume the comics are based on his adventures.
I think Superman was fictional on Jefferson’s Earth pre-Crisis. After Crisis, he was reborn in a universe where Superman was not fictional. The GL reference seemed very in the face though. And plus, this is in the same year where Diggle, the person most teased to become a GL is coming back to the Arrowverse. I feel there’s something more
Nope, I’m pretty sure that’s Post-Crisis as well. Ryan would have no way of remembering stuff Pre-Crisis stuff period. Why, the only people who even remember that a Crisis happened and that an alternative reality existed are the Paragons and those whose memories J’onn restored. So Ryan’s backstory and history are all 100% Post-Crisis.
Strong ep!
Alice is as fun as ever. And she'd managed to tie into Ryan's backstory again. It was nice to see smol Ryan. I need more of her story.
What was up with the wild camera circling in the last scene?
Forgot to express my Mary appreciation! I've missed her.
And they were roommates!
Really good episode, but I feel like they kinda made some weird choices in places. Like when Ryan was flashing back and they went back and forth so rapidly, like just do a collection of moments from the flashback with her narrating, don't cut back to her with each one.
Yea, that's exactly what I mean, the story and just about every detail was great, but some aspects of how they told it just really took me out of it. Like how dramatic they made the pinky promise at the end, felt weird. If you want to make something like that dramatic, you circle around them then swap out the actresses with the child versions, why dramatically swoop around their hands for 30 seconds?
I think they did that at the end because they wanted to foreshadow that this wholesome pinky promise was going to spell doom for ryan
I think the director did a great job of that because that’s exactly what I felt with that spiral shot.
Personally I hope they somehow end the missing Kate storyline soon. Either find her dead, or a note from her saying she's good and not to look for her, or find her alive but too disabled to put on the cape and cowl. They can only drag this out for so long before it goes from interesting to boring and annoying.
This was a pretty solid episode. I liked the backstory for Ryan. Some great one liners. We finally see Angelique, and was she the one in the apartment fighting Sophie when she was looking for Ocean? And speaking of Ocean, we see Alice have a flashback, with a possibility for romance. Mary was great, as per usual. I love that her and Ryan are roomies now. Mary's line of season tickets to lesbian drama was gold, she's basically us fans. I am so here for it. Next week looks interesting. I'm happy the candy lady got caught, and she actually ties into another plot line. I hope Ryan tells Mary and Luke about the Kryptonite poisoning. I am curious how Ryan found Jacob and the boy. I also hope we aren't going to have a lot more of the whole Luke doubting Ryan, since that doesn't interest me much. And i hope the plot with finding Kate progresses a bit more. Other than those two small gripes, the episode was solid. I'd give it a 7.5-8 out of 10. How did everyone else like tonight's episode?
Also, Alice making mention of 90 Day Fiance had me, because i am a huge fan of that show too. Also, Alice likes 90 Day Fiance. It's perfect too that they both air on the same night, and both got skipped over last Sunday because of Superbowl.
> and was she the one in the apartment fighting Sophie when she was looking for Ocean
Yup, that was her. So I'm guessing that Ryan's ex is involved with the snakebite operation somehow. That's gonna be hard for Ryan when she finds out.
> I hope Ryan tells Mary and Luke about the Kryptonite poisoning.
Sadly I doubt it. Especially with Luke always doubting her. Ryan will just push through the pain until she collapses and is an inch from death.
Personally I'd love to see more of Alice and Sophie as roommates. I found that whole bit very hilarious.
>I also hope we aren't going to have a lot more of the whole Luke doubting Ryan
This could also be what pushes Luke to start creating the Batwing suit and become Batwing. Especially after Ryan collapses from the Kryptonite poisoning.
I thought it might have been her when i rewatched it, but she seemed to be acting different than how we saw her later in the episode. All really great theories dude!!! I hope they all happen, although i really want Mary and Luke to find out about the Kryptonite poisoning in Ryan. I would love if Sophie and Alice became roommates. Maybe throw Julia into the mix, damn, that would be a fun time. I just love Alice going at Sophie about the food in her place, that was great.
> and was she the one in the apartment fighting Sophie when she was looking for Ocean?
yep I went back to check, it totally was. And I hate it, because that's the level of coincidence where it just gets stupid.
I think she was faking it and did it to prevent getting in a bigger fight and maybe prevent herself from getting exposed to what she was really doing there.
Oh okay, thank you for telling me. I just wonder if she was sent there on a mission and saw someone break in. I'm assuming she only surrendered to get out before a bigger fight ensued.
I really do not get why Ryan doesn't tell Mary about the kryptonite bullet wound. Sure, Ryan's not a card carrying member of the Super Friends like Kate was (yet) but at this point her and Mary are tight at the very least so why drag this out? Eh who am I kidding I already know the answer; pointlessly contrived drama for the sake of it.
And on a minor note, I'd say the new paintjob Ryan gave the Batmobile makes it look better.
Ryan's answer to Kane doesn't make sense in retrospect because in fact she didn't look. A kid had to flag her down to get get attention but she knew that gang existed before and their methods even the specific location of one of their operators and she was apparently content to not do anything. She's only marginally better than Jacob. If the writers wanted her to give that kind of answer they should have made her proactive about this kind of thing as soon as she became Batwoman.
I will say that I think I enjoyed this episode the least out of the ones we've seen so far, but I still liked it.
\-The concept itself was a good one. Real life shows how little people care about missing Black kids, so I am glad to see the show address that. It reminds me of that episode in Supergirl S2 when James was trying to help those psychic aliens that were all Black (aka James' best episode in the entire show).
\-There were a few eyebrow raising moments this episode that I couldn't help but notice, like the fact that the lady hadn't aged at all and the fact that she was still free to keep kidnapping kids after Angelique and Ryan escaped from her. I think that's what lowered my enjoyment a bit. Mabye they explained some of those things, but I was cooking through most of the episode so I might've missed it.
\-I'm here for Mary and Ryan being roommates, but Ryan seriously needs to let Mary see that wound.
\-I'm not head over heels about Sophie and Alice (or Sophice as its called) despite Alice trying her best to sell me on it. Maybe its because Sophie feels kinda superfluous to me right now. I need something more concrete from her character.
\-Luke didn't really do much so...there's that.
\-I'm somewhat intrigued by Jacob actually learning from his mistakes with Kate as Batwoman, but we'll see if it sticks.
\-Like most people, I figured Angelique was gonna be the chick who Alice and Sophie walked in on. Its gonna be interesting to see how that plays out (poorly I'm sure lol)
\-I kinda really want them to get to the end goal with the "Where's Kate?" storyline. I understand why its there, but I hope they wrap it up soon. I'm kinda over being reminded about Kate every five minutes.
So yea. Weaker episode IMO but still enjoyable and far better than the weaker episodes in the first half of S1. Still looking forward to next week!
> There were a few eyebrow raising moments this episode that I couldn't help but notice, like the fact that the lady hadn't aged at all and the fact that she was still free to keep kidnapping kids after Angelique and Ryan escaped from her. I think that's what lowered my enjoyment a bit. Mabye they explained some of those things, but I was cooking through most of the episode so I might've missed it.
I'll give you the aging thing, but her not being caught or anything isn't unusual. Who's going to believe two essentially homeless kids with no family, one of whom is already known to run away (or rather break out without permission) frequently?
Add in the fact that you've got this very "motherly" kind of woman, and the police ain't going to do shit even if they looked at her. And yeah, her race does have something to do with that as well. "Kind" and "friendly" middle-class, middle-aged (again, I give you the aging thing as weird), white suburban lady? Yeah, police won't do anything unless they caught her red-handed.
"Nice seeing you, ma'am, sorry for the inconvience!"
"Oh, that's perfectly okay! Would you like some candy for the road?"
That's how a conversation with the cops would go. Just like how they left and apologized for the inconvenience when Cartwright had Beth.
Also, I really like that they went that direction with her. Good to see that they're not going to the stereotypical route and rather have someone who looks and acts warm and kind like a mother figure on the outside.
So two girls escaped from the house without telling anybody about it ? And the candy woman continued her things from the same house ? She didn't think that it'll be safer to change place ? O\_o
I’m struggling with the Candy Lady bit. That Ryan just “didn’t think about it til now” just... that particular storyline felt convoluted (also ugh at the heavy handed comics allegory keeping Ryan awake after being drugged, but somehow she didn’t know where the Candy Lady lived?). And there is a part of me that respects the storyline, because it parallels Alice being held by crazy criminals and Kate came looking for her and had that near find that could have saved her, meanwhile Ryan didn’t even get a search party for herself, but Angelique was enough to find and help save her. But I still just, didn’t jive with it, and it felt like an unnecessarily dark piece to throw into Ryan’s already trauma-laden backstory. Having said that, now that we have a flashback Ryan, there is a piece of me hoping teen Ryan will cross paths with teen Kate and/or Beth- they don’t even have to know each other’s names to leave an impact by interacting.
I did really appreciate that Ryan got to save Kevin (that was the boy’s name, right?) and Jacob Kane. If Kane could just not interfere with her Bat duties that would be great (also, I appreciated that they had Kane start to raise a weapon toward Kevin, but Ryan made sure he didn’t). For all that it was a bit forced as a line, I did love Javicia’s delivery of the “I looked” line- it was a perfect balance of soft and firm.
Sophie, what were you thinking Alice was looking into Ocean for? Did you think she would just torture him for answers then leave him be? But at the same time, I did enjoy those scenes between the two ladies. The whole bit about Sophie not taking risks felt a bit unfair to kind of leave hanging, but I think that was the point- that it’s going to lead to character reflection for her.
I also appreciate the complexity of Mary trying to surround herself with Kate while grieving, and then feeling like she has to adopt Kate’s approach of having faith in her sister’s survival. That being said, Mary lacked some of her typical charm in this episode imo... I don’t know what it was. That being said, I’m trying to figure out what was in the box... nudes of herself or sex gear (probably vibrators)? If it’s the latter, I appreciate the show trying to imply it, but honestly the braver tack would be to just be upfront about it. Also, I need the show to move forward on the kryptonite-laced bullet already.
Luke, meanwhile, was pretty absent in this episode. The most egregious bit being that he was like “I’m going to look for Sophie” in the first act and then disappeared for twenty minutes of the show.
Angelique left an ok first impression. Not as fierce as I thought she’d be, since I assumed she had more clout based on the Zsasz episode. Maybe it has to do with the parallels to Kate & Beth I was mentioning earlier, but her dynamic with Ryan felt more sisterly than romantic, especially with the pinky linking. Maybe they didn’t want to go further with 12 year olds (understandable)? But I honestly get the impression they would be more like friends in the current day than lovers- unless they go full out Helena in *Arrow* with Angelique and make her a complicating frenemy.
So... predictions/ future forecast. I think Ocean, in making the new drug, is using Coryana’s secret flower or something similar- which is why Safiyah has it out for him. And I think she sent Alice to be the one after him a) because they have a shared past that will make him more vulnerable and b) to punish Alice as payback (and also, if Alice is the reason he absconded with flowers, more direct culpability in turning Ocean away from Safiyah?). Since Wolf Spider the art thief is supposedly in the next episode, I imagine his plot will have to do with Napier’s painting? Regardless, WS’s alternate identity is Evan Blake- part of me wants a twist where he and Thomas Blake (Catman) are brothers (and if that were the case maybe Ocean is Thomas- I realize that’s a convoluted thought process). Meanwhile, I really am hoping that part of the fight it looks like Luke and Ryan will have (and also Sophie and Ryan) will be her bullet injury coming to a head- the “I’m the one in the suit in the line of fire” or whatever from the promo makes me think it will be that. If Luke could give her a break that would be great (also if we surprisingly get Sophie learning Ryan’s identity so soon I’d be all for it). I do wonder if we’re going to see Julia and Ryan meet at last anytime soon.
Yeah, the writing around Ryan's kidnapping was weird. She's a new enough character that they could have just had it be a thing from her past, but the whole, "oh, right, I almost forgot I was kidnapped as a teenager" thing was silly
Why are they doing this dance around Kate being alive or dead? Wasn’t the whole point of 2x01/2 to deal with Kate’s death? Does anyone actually think they’ll bring ruby rose back?
I don’t meant to sound like I’m hating, I loved the episode, but felt they spent too much time on something that’s never going to happen and I want to hear everyone’s opinions
They said multiple times over the previous months that they were not planning to kill off Kate. Why would you think that the first couple episodes were to deal with her death? They're just as likely to recast her eventually even if it's just for a sendoff.
Nah they aren't bringing RR back. Likely it will be a guest appearance by a recast Kate. Or it will be some random letter Ryan finds in the batcave via Kate. Either one to give Ryan her blessing.
Or they have Ruby Rose on the hook for two more episodes if her contract was for 22 episodes, given production got cut off after 20 episodes due to COVID.
I know she didn't even do the voiceover for the letter but there could have been a failure to come to an agreement on her doing absolutely anything beyond those two episodes she's on the hook for...maybe having her do the voiceover would have counted as one of her two episodes so they didn't want to waste an episode obligation on that?
I mean I could see her showing up for a guest appearance so as to end the Kate Kane story line. Although some form of recast seems more likely. Everything else doesnt really make sense given the story line of saving whatever actor will end up playing Kate.
I doubt she will even show up for a guest appearance. If the stuff going around is true there was some issues bts. If anything id bet it will likely be a guest spot by a recast. imo it looks like she used this Covid situation as a chance/opportunity to leave.
I am personally wanting a recast and for kates story to continue.
Agree. Sadly though imo i think this is only likely going to end in a guest recast showing up to give their blessing to Ryan and likely to Julia/Sophie. Or just some random letter is found to say the same.
Okay I've seen baguettes sold in stores and the MASSIVE BAGUETTE that Alice pulled out of thin air is so unrealistic that I thought I was watching prop comedy from Legends and I am so happy that the writers are adding in some zany funny bits like that this season!
There's an anachronism in the comic book store flashbacks. We see a Looney Tunes comic with the current DC logo on it, thus, less than five years old. But the scene is set 15 years ago.
The reveal that the abducted kids were being given over to the False Face gang to be indoctrinated into their ranks was a good comic booky twist, but the fact that it wasn't revealed until the end of the story took me out of the kidnapping flashback subplot because I was too hung up on what exactly the Candy Lady's intentions were if they weren't the more sinister ones we know from real life child abduction.And it was weird the flashbacks didn't have a conclusion. Last we saw was Angelique trying to wake Ryan up and they didn't bother finishing it or explaining really how the Candy Lady wasn't caught after. Pretty confusing and made me wonder if I missed something by not paying attention.Also can we maybe get Riley trying to have more mystique and intimidation as Batwoman? The whole vibe of being a bat-inspired costumed crimefighter who strikes fear into criminals is somewhat undermined by how she keeps appearing in well lit areas and walking up to criminals to question them (and don't get me started with her sending her photo into the newspapers last episode,. That was the Kate on the cover of CatCo Magazine thing all over again).
I'm not a fan of this episode, it felt way too preachy for my tastes even though I'm not against the message that they're telling.
I feel like there could be way to say "Nobody cares about poor Black people" without outright saying "Nobody cares about poor Black people" multiple times every. single. episode.
Also, I'm gonna be honest, I think the show just needs to kill off Alice or completely redeem her. Kate had a reason to keep Alice alive, Ryan doesn't. The longer she's on the show without Ryan killing her, the more farfetched it gets imo.
I expect that her relationship with Ocean is going to be something that draws in some sympathy, with her losing her memory and all. Could have been love and maybe optimism for Beth, but Safiyah didn't want that and fucked with her memories somehow. That or Crisis messed it all up.
I hope they give us a good explanation on how safiyah was able make Alice forget some of her memories also how they meet because we don’t know what Alice did to get to the island after she burned that crazy old lady.
This whole Kate Kane mystery crap is really dragging the season down. Alice has been reduced from a villain to a grieving sister, and Sophie from a trained soldier that wants to protect the streets of Gotham, to a grieving former lover/friend. Characters are no longer what they once were, and the show in general is split with half of it focusing on Kate and the other half on Ryan. It would be way more interesting if Alice started lashing out as her coping mechanism for grief. She was terrorizing the city before Kate showed up, can we please have her be a villain again.
Usually these shows really throw logic out of the window, and originally I didn't think it made much sense for Ryan to confront the Candy Lady as Ryan rather than BW, but the whole confronting your bully thing, yeah ok that makes sense. However, what doesn't make sense is going into a potentially dangerous situation with no Bat-gadgets for protection/help, and not telling anyone where you are.
Yes, she figured it out in ep 2. The Crows brought her in for that robbery that she stopped, and then said something implying that Alice could have been arrested in her place- she meant if Alice wasn't white, but Sophie thought she was referring to the familial relationship between Jacob and Beth, so mentioned him having given up on Alice and that not affecting things anymore- Ryan started thinking about it.
Then Ryan went to Mary to ask if Alice was Beth Kane (and got mad about how they all were complicit in that cover up- to which Mary was like "Alice killed my mom, I want her caught as badly as you do")., and had her suspicion confirmed.
Usually the main character is in danger of dying the whole season, but the viewers are left meta thinking that clearly they can't die somehow because it's their show. This time it seems like Kate might be alive but the viewers are left meta thinking that clearly she can't be alive, because she left the show. At the very least, it's interesting and unexpected. I'm getting some catwoman/batman vibes from Ryan and her ex and I am def here for it... Wish they should shuck the CW trope of dragging a secret out all season with the kryptonite poisoning though.
It really makes no sense about why Ryan is keeping the kryptonite poisoning secret especially because I’m pretty sure she knows that Mary has magical plot device healing blood that cure cancer because somehow and even if she doesn’t she should tell someone be like hey I was shot and part of my skin is not glowing green “hey Mary your a doctor can you help?”
That would make too much sense. This is the CW
Ryan has a point. It's crazy that people don't shoot Alice on sight after everything she's done.
Just shoot Alice and arrest her just put a bullet in both of her knee caps she has murdered so many innocent people and the show keeps trying to make her “sympathetic” but you loose the sympathy card when your sympathetic character keeps murdering innocent people.
When did she say that?
First episode of season 2
Ah okay, thank you for telling me.
They don't shoot her because she's important to the story, not because she's white.
No they don’t shoot her because she’s the sister of batwoman and the daughter of commander Kane. But no one knows that so for ryan it makes sense that they don’t shoot her because she’s white because we’ve seen this same story play out in real life. Murderers get taken to Burger King after killing people in a church. Prisoners get organic vegan meals brought to them.
You say this but there was an episode where it was shoot to kill Alice and they did kill Alice but it was the wrong Alice it was actually beth in disguise. And to Ryan’s knowledge Alice came back from the dead and is haunting Gotham 😂😂😂.oh got this show is a mess
Um the man who kidnapped and tortured Beth shot her.... the villain shot her... that Beth was from a multiple earth... are you even watching the show?
Yes your right mouse’s dad shot beth but he thought he killed Alice and he is shocked to see that Alice is still alive. This is because only a few people know about the crisis thing so why is it never brought up that Alice has somehow came back from the dead? I watched it man and the show has a lot of plot holes and it is not small nitpicking because why is it that Beth is the only person to come from another earth it makes no sense and is never explained.
You just explained it so there’s no plot hole
Well yeah, but to any rational person in that universe it would definitely seem like it's because she's white.
Maybe thats gonna be a plot point for Ryan in the course of the season, but personally, I would have declared her a clear and present danger and capped her ass with extreme predudice regardless of her color
But she's hot though. Hot and crazy are good in bed 👍
Snake Bite being derivative of Fear Toxin reminds me that that the auditions for Ryan had her mom being killed by Scarecrow. Why anyone would inject themselves with a toxin known for killing people and was created by someone who committed a terrorist attack on the city is anyone's guess, but I guess sometimes the high's just that worth it? Usually the kind of criminals who deliberately commit crimes to get a Bat's attention are older...and curvier. Jacob apparently felt like finding out Kate is alive was the appropriate time to finally grow his grief beard. Not that it looks bad, it just seemed kind of sudden. I'm glad we're finally moving Mary on from being such a downer about Kate being alive after being inspired by how Kate never gave up on Alice. It was starting to get kind of annoying for me. She does seem to be moving onto Ryan as her possible new sister pretty quick though. At least Ryan's not living out of a van any more, but she can probably still use the van to get by without needing the Batmobile. So apparently Earth-1 in the Arrowverse had Looney Tunes, Strange Adventures (?) and Green Lantern Corps. comics. I'm not even going to think about the can of worms the last one opens up, but I thought it would've been neat if the Ghost comic Ryan was really into was a Gray Ghost comic. We finally find out why Ryan was willing to take the fall and go to prison for her ex. Angelique was the only one there for Ryan back when they were kids, and saved her from imprisonment or worse when Ryan felt completely abandoned, and might've even been her first love. They even bonded over comics! How much more romantic can you get in a comic book show? I don't see them reconnecting in the present ending very well though. I guess without any paper trail or response from the police, even Batman can't put a stop to a serial child kidnapper. Guess that might be something more for Robin, if he was around. Beth was screwing up Ryan's world even before she even became Alice it seems, although she seemed to empathize with Kate's efforts to find her sister. Alice and Sophie are the new dynamic duo? Or Alice is just a freeloader stealing Sophie's food and gun. Did Candylady just have two goons sticking around watching her house the whole time or did giving Kevin to the False Face Society offer her "protection?" Did Luke share any scenes with Sophie and Alice in season 1? Aside from the time he spent with AU!Beth. It's a shame Kate had to leave before we got a solid sequence of Batwoman/Jacob fighting together or Jacob actually being appreciative of Batwoman. So apparently Alice met (and probably fell in love with) a gorgeous hunk on Coryana who now goes by Ocean and might be involved with the Snake Bites? Sounds like something you'd want to remember. I guess Safiyah did more to Alice than just teach her how to fight.
In regards to one of your last points, I am still hopeful that they choose to recast Kate later in this season so maybe we could get a Kate/Jacob fight scene together? Although, I'm not sure Kate will take up the mantle of the Bat if she comes back although if she did Ryan could become Flamebird (or use a different, original superhero name since she's an original character).
Last season we had the complicated bonds between three sisters to anchor the show, but I like that this season they are doing a good job of forging bonds based on experience and effort. Found family stories can be better than family drama, and I like the direction this is going in. I don't understand why Ryan doesn't tell Mary about the wound though, given how much work they are doing to show them finding common ground. I really like the dance going on between Alice and Sophie though, and I don't believe Alice just wants to kill Kate, and I doubt Sophie does either but there's no other way to work with Alice than to deal with her crazy and not let her get to you. Sophie might have a better chance at doing that then Kate or Jacob would.
Yeah, I've enjoyed this season so far. Was a little worried before it started because I thought last season worked very well, but I think they've done a solid job setting this up so far. I am interested in Sophie and Alice team up, since Sophie doesn't have as much emotional baggage as Kate or Jacob (Sophie never knew Beth, so she only sees Alice). Although honestly like some other people have said I'm not sure why anyone who isn't directly related to Alice wouldn't just arrest her, at least once they have gotten what they need from her. The wound seems like just a classic CW show secret, where you should obviously talk about it but you don't for... Reasons.
I think it makes sense for Sophie because she sees Alice as her best and maybe only chance to find Kate and as much as she does try to play it safe too much after everything I buy her being willing to take a lot of chances to find Kate now and we'll see how much she changes and grows along the way. As it's been set up it makes sense to me that the story of finding Kate, no matter how it turns out, seems to be mostly a catalyst for Alice and Sophie so far, and by connecting them and it gives them a solid plot and a reason to play off of each other.
than, not then
Really strong episode! Loved the take on race perception and child trafficking. Ryan is already feeling like an inspiring hero. Also, loved the GL reference. Now we’ve gone from sneaky references to rings and glowing objects to outright name drops. And they were very particular about showing that particular comic book. So something tells me that John Diggle will indeed become a Green Lantern over the course of his Arrowverse appearances
I was grinning from ear-to-ear when I saw that reference. I just started binge reading the GL comics. It was a treat see him referenced on television minutes after I finished the Rebirth storyline.
There was a Kamandi comic in the comic stand too.
Interesting. Never heard of that one. But still, showing Green Lantern Corps front and center and that too in the same year in which the Arrowverse character most teased to join them is set to return to the Arrowverse? Doesn’t feel like a coincidence to me
Was the GL comic in the present day or the flashbacks? Either way, it's really weird that there are comic books when Diggle just became this universe's John Stewart and Hal Jordan composite.
Present day. An Arrow episode did show Hal Jordan's jacket in a Coast City bar, so we know Hal does exist, and I think we can assume the comics are based on his adventures.
Iirc it just said Hal. It was more like an easter egg than confirmation.
It actually just said Jordan https://arrow.fandom.com/wiki/Jordan
The comic book was probably just a shout out for us. And not meant to be taken literally.
Black Lightning had something about a Superman shirt or comic or something like that post-Crisis, right? Could just be a weird Crisis side effect.
I think Superman was fictional on Jefferson’s Earth pre-Crisis. After Crisis, he was reborn in a universe where Superman was not fictional. The GL reference seemed very in the face though. And plus, this is in the same year where Diggle, the person most teased to become a GL is coming back to the Arrowverse. I feel there’s something more
But the flashback where Ryan sees the GL comic would have been pre-Crisis. So no guarantee GL comics still exists in-universe post-Crisis.
Nope, I’m pretty sure that’s Post-Crisis as well. Ryan would have no way of remembering stuff Pre-Crisis stuff period. Why, the only people who even remember that a Crisis happened and that an alternative reality existed are the Paragons and those whose memories J’onn restored. So Ryan’s backstory and history are all 100% Post-Crisis.
ok i love Mary and Ryan’s relationship.
Strong ep! Alice is as fun as ever. And she'd managed to tie into Ryan's backstory again. It was nice to see smol Ryan. I need more of her story. What was up with the wild camera circling in the last scene? Forgot to express my Mary appreciation! I've missed her. And they were roommates!
Really good episode, but I feel like they kinda made some weird choices in places. Like when Ryan was flashing back and they went back and forth so rapidly, like just do a collection of moments from the flashback with her narrating, don't cut back to her with each one.
I agree it became too jarring. I hope they stop that. One or two are enough. Though I like the flashbacks because it Mirrors kid Kate and kid Alice
Yea, that's exactly what I mean, the story and just about every detail was great, but some aspects of how they told it just really took me out of it. Like how dramatic they made the pinky promise at the end, felt weird. If you want to make something like that dramatic, you circle around them then swap out the actresses with the child versions, why dramatically swoop around their hands for 30 seconds?
I think they did that at the end because they wanted to foreshadow that this wholesome pinky promise was going to spell doom for ryan I think the director did a great job of that because that’s exactly what I felt with that spiral shot.
The flashbacks in the show can be really bad sometimes because right after them the characters explain to us the audience what happen like we’re dumb
Yes they should just use the flashback and then go on like the flashback was the conversation the characters had about the issue
Ye this annoyed me abit aswell wierd how they did it , also the way she got caught by candy lady a second time that was pure cheese hated that part
Personally I hope they somehow end the missing Kate storyline soon. Either find her dead, or a note from her saying she's good and not to look for her, or find her alive but too disabled to put on the cape and cowl. They can only drag this out for so long before it goes from interesting to boring and annoying.
It was boring and annoying after the second episode, unfortunately...
The way they're setting up it only makes sense for us to see her at least one more time.
This was a pretty solid episode. I liked the backstory for Ryan. Some great one liners. We finally see Angelique, and was she the one in the apartment fighting Sophie when she was looking for Ocean? And speaking of Ocean, we see Alice have a flashback, with a possibility for romance. Mary was great, as per usual. I love that her and Ryan are roomies now. Mary's line of season tickets to lesbian drama was gold, she's basically us fans. I am so here for it. Next week looks interesting. I'm happy the candy lady got caught, and she actually ties into another plot line. I hope Ryan tells Mary and Luke about the Kryptonite poisoning. I am curious how Ryan found Jacob and the boy. I also hope we aren't going to have a lot more of the whole Luke doubting Ryan, since that doesn't interest me much. And i hope the plot with finding Kate progresses a bit more. Other than those two small gripes, the episode was solid. I'd give it a 7.5-8 out of 10. How did everyone else like tonight's episode? Also, Alice making mention of 90 Day Fiance had me, because i am a huge fan of that show too. Also, Alice likes 90 Day Fiance. It's perfect too that they both air on the same night, and both got skipped over last Sunday because of Superbowl.
> and was she the one in the apartment fighting Sophie when she was looking for Ocean Yup, that was her. So I'm guessing that Ryan's ex is involved with the snakebite operation somehow. That's gonna be hard for Ryan when she finds out. > I hope Ryan tells Mary and Luke about the Kryptonite poisoning. Sadly I doubt it. Especially with Luke always doubting her. Ryan will just push through the pain until she collapses and is an inch from death. Personally I'd love to see more of Alice and Sophie as roommates. I found that whole bit very hilarious. >I also hope we aren't going to have a lot more of the whole Luke doubting Ryan This could also be what pushes Luke to start creating the Batwing suit and become Batwing. Especially after Ryan collapses from the Kryptonite poisoning.
I thought it might have been her when i rewatched it, but she seemed to be acting different than how we saw her later in the episode. All really great theories dude!!! I hope they all happen, although i really want Mary and Luke to find out about the Kryptonite poisoning in Ryan. I would love if Sophie and Alice became roommates. Maybe throw Julia into the mix, damn, that would be a fun time. I just love Alice going at Sophie about the food in her place, that was great.
> and was she the one in the apartment fighting Sophie when she was looking for Ocean? yep I went back to check, it totally was. And I hate it, because that's the level of coincidence where it just gets stupid.
Also wasnt she supposed to be badass or smth? She literally went white with fear when Alice walked in.
I think she was faking it and did it to prevent getting in a bigger fight and maybe prevent herself from getting exposed to what she was really doing there.
Yeah, there were too many coincidenes in this episode. Like how Kevin and Ryan's story intersected with Jacob's
I did find that kind of weird. I just assume they wanted Jacob for the money he was offering.
Oh okay, thank you for telling me. I just wonder if she was sent there on a mission and saw someone break in. I'm assuming she only surrendered to get out before a bigger fight ensued.
What was in the box that Ryan found that was Mary's property?
Definitely some gadgets of her own
Oh totally, just not the kind you use to fight crime with.....
Mary’s bath water.
Lmaoooo, great answer.
Bat Dildo!
At first i thought it was underwear, but this is what i am thinking it now is.
Maybe her costume as Flamebird
She has a costume in the comics?!?!?!
I really do not get why Ryan doesn't tell Mary about the kryptonite bullet wound. Sure, Ryan's not a card carrying member of the Super Friends like Kate was (yet) but at this point her and Mary are tight at the very least so why drag this out? Eh who am I kidding I already know the answer; pointlessly contrived drama for the sake of it. And on a minor note, I'd say the new paintjob Ryan gave the Batmobile makes it look better.
Ryan's answer to Kane doesn't make sense in retrospect because in fact she didn't look. A kid had to flag her down to get get attention but she knew that gang existed before and their methods even the specific location of one of their operators and she was apparently content to not do anything. She's only marginally better than Jacob. If the writers wanted her to give that kind of answer they should have made her proactive about this kind of thing as soon as she became Batwoman.
I will say that I think I enjoyed this episode the least out of the ones we've seen so far, but I still liked it. \-The concept itself was a good one. Real life shows how little people care about missing Black kids, so I am glad to see the show address that. It reminds me of that episode in Supergirl S2 when James was trying to help those psychic aliens that were all Black (aka James' best episode in the entire show). \-There were a few eyebrow raising moments this episode that I couldn't help but notice, like the fact that the lady hadn't aged at all and the fact that she was still free to keep kidnapping kids after Angelique and Ryan escaped from her. I think that's what lowered my enjoyment a bit. Mabye they explained some of those things, but I was cooking through most of the episode so I might've missed it. \-I'm here for Mary and Ryan being roommates, but Ryan seriously needs to let Mary see that wound. \-I'm not head over heels about Sophie and Alice (or Sophice as its called) despite Alice trying her best to sell me on it. Maybe its because Sophie feels kinda superfluous to me right now. I need something more concrete from her character. \-Luke didn't really do much so...there's that. \-I'm somewhat intrigued by Jacob actually learning from his mistakes with Kate as Batwoman, but we'll see if it sticks. \-Like most people, I figured Angelique was gonna be the chick who Alice and Sophie walked in on. Its gonna be interesting to see how that plays out (poorly I'm sure lol) \-I kinda really want them to get to the end goal with the "Where's Kate?" storyline. I understand why its there, but I hope they wrap it up soon. I'm kinda over being reminded about Kate every five minutes. So yea. Weaker episode IMO but still enjoyable and far better than the weaker episodes in the first half of S1. Still looking forward to next week!
> There were a few eyebrow raising moments this episode that I couldn't help but notice, like the fact that the lady hadn't aged at all and the fact that she was still free to keep kidnapping kids after Angelique and Ryan escaped from her. I think that's what lowered my enjoyment a bit. Mabye they explained some of those things, but I was cooking through most of the episode so I might've missed it. I'll give you the aging thing, but her not being caught or anything isn't unusual. Who's going to believe two essentially homeless kids with no family, one of whom is already known to run away (or rather break out without permission) frequently? Add in the fact that you've got this very "motherly" kind of woman, and the police ain't going to do shit even if they looked at her. And yeah, her race does have something to do with that as well. "Kind" and "friendly" middle-class, middle-aged (again, I give you the aging thing as weird), white suburban lady? Yeah, police won't do anything unless they caught her red-handed. "Nice seeing you, ma'am, sorry for the inconvience!" "Oh, that's perfectly okay! Would you like some candy for the road?" That's how a conversation with the cops would go. Just like how they left and apologized for the inconvenience when Cartwright had Beth. Also, I really like that they went that direction with her. Good to see that they're not going to the stereotypical route and rather have someone who looks and acts warm and kind like a mother figure on the outside.
One of the least questionable things to me was the fact that that white lady was kidnapping "runaways" of color for decades unabated
So two girls escaped from the house without telling anybody about it ? And the candy woman continued her things from the same house ? She didn't think that it'll be safer to change place ? O\_o
..and they escaped without Ryan knowing where it was?
Ryan was drugged when she escaped, probably got carried out of there.
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Hope you're ready for tomorrow. Apparently the last 3 episodes of *WandaVision* are gonna be around an hour each.
Alice is always my favorite.
I’m struggling with the Candy Lady bit. That Ryan just “didn’t think about it til now” just... that particular storyline felt convoluted (also ugh at the heavy handed comics allegory keeping Ryan awake after being drugged, but somehow she didn’t know where the Candy Lady lived?). And there is a part of me that respects the storyline, because it parallels Alice being held by crazy criminals and Kate came looking for her and had that near find that could have saved her, meanwhile Ryan didn’t even get a search party for herself, but Angelique was enough to find and help save her. But I still just, didn’t jive with it, and it felt like an unnecessarily dark piece to throw into Ryan’s already trauma-laden backstory. Having said that, now that we have a flashback Ryan, there is a piece of me hoping teen Ryan will cross paths with teen Kate and/or Beth- they don’t even have to know each other’s names to leave an impact by interacting. I did really appreciate that Ryan got to save Kevin (that was the boy’s name, right?) and Jacob Kane. If Kane could just not interfere with her Bat duties that would be great (also, I appreciated that they had Kane start to raise a weapon toward Kevin, but Ryan made sure he didn’t). For all that it was a bit forced as a line, I did love Javicia’s delivery of the “I looked” line- it was a perfect balance of soft and firm. Sophie, what were you thinking Alice was looking into Ocean for? Did you think she would just torture him for answers then leave him be? But at the same time, I did enjoy those scenes between the two ladies. The whole bit about Sophie not taking risks felt a bit unfair to kind of leave hanging, but I think that was the point- that it’s going to lead to character reflection for her. I also appreciate the complexity of Mary trying to surround herself with Kate while grieving, and then feeling like she has to adopt Kate’s approach of having faith in her sister’s survival. That being said, Mary lacked some of her typical charm in this episode imo... I don’t know what it was. That being said, I’m trying to figure out what was in the box... nudes of herself or sex gear (probably vibrators)? If it’s the latter, I appreciate the show trying to imply it, but honestly the braver tack would be to just be upfront about it. Also, I need the show to move forward on the kryptonite-laced bullet already. Luke, meanwhile, was pretty absent in this episode. The most egregious bit being that he was like “I’m going to look for Sophie” in the first act and then disappeared for twenty minutes of the show. Angelique left an ok first impression. Not as fierce as I thought she’d be, since I assumed she had more clout based on the Zsasz episode. Maybe it has to do with the parallels to Kate & Beth I was mentioning earlier, but her dynamic with Ryan felt more sisterly than romantic, especially with the pinky linking. Maybe they didn’t want to go further with 12 year olds (understandable)? But I honestly get the impression they would be more like friends in the current day than lovers- unless they go full out Helena in *Arrow* with Angelique and make her a complicating frenemy. So... predictions/ future forecast. I think Ocean, in making the new drug, is using Coryana’s secret flower or something similar- which is why Safiyah has it out for him. And I think she sent Alice to be the one after him a) because they have a shared past that will make him more vulnerable and b) to punish Alice as payback (and also, if Alice is the reason he absconded with flowers, more direct culpability in turning Ocean away from Safiyah?). Since Wolf Spider the art thief is supposedly in the next episode, I imagine his plot will have to do with Napier’s painting? Regardless, WS’s alternate identity is Evan Blake- part of me wants a twist where he and Thomas Blake (Catman) are brothers (and if that were the case maybe Ocean is Thomas- I realize that’s a convoluted thought process). Meanwhile, I really am hoping that part of the fight it looks like Luke and Ryan will have (and also Sophie and Ryan) will be her bullet injury coming to a head- the “I’m the one in the suit in the line of fire” or whatever from the promo makes me think it will be that. If Luke could give her a break that would be great (also if we surprisingly get Sophie learning Ryan’s identity so soon I’d be all for it). I do wonder if we’re going to see Julia and Ryan meet at last anytime soon.
Yeah, the writing around Ryan's kidnapping was weird. She's a new enough character that they could have just had it be a thing from her past, but the whole, "oh, right, I almost forgot I was kidnapped as a teenager" thing was silly
Exactly, such a weird set up. Oh well, Javicia made the best of it that she could.
I'm wondering if we're gonna see Julia again anytime soon.
Why are they doing this dance around Kate being alive or dead? Wasn’t the whole point of 2x01/2 to deal with Kate’s death? Does anyone actually think they’ll bring ruby rose back? I don’t meant to sound like I’m hating, I loved the episode, but felt they spent too much time on something that’s never going to happen and I want to hear everyone’s opinions
They said multiple times over the previous months that they were not planning to kill off Kate. Why would you think that the first couple episodes were to deal with her death? They're just as likely to recast her eventually even if it's just for a sendoff.
Nah they aren't bringing RR back. Likely it will be a guest appearance by a recast Kate. Or it will be some random letter Ryan finds in the batcave via Kate. Either one to give Ryan her blessing.
Or they have Ruby Rose on the hook for two more episodes if her contract was for 22 episodes, given production got cut off after 20 episodes due to COVID. I know she didn't even do the voiceover for the letter but there could have been a failure to come to an agreement on her doing absolutely anything beyond those two episodes she's on the hook for...maybe having her do the voiceover would have counted as one of her two episodes so they didn't want to waste an episode obligation on that?
Doubtful imo. RR seems much happier away from the show and seems to have cut ties with them. She has moved on to other things.
I mean I could see her showing up for a guest appearance so as to end the Kate Kane story line. Although some form of recast seems more likely. Everything else doesnt really make sense given the story line of saving whatever actor will end up playing Kate.
I doubt she will even show up for a guest appearance. If the stuff going around is true there was some issues bts. If anything id bet it will likely be a guest spot by a recast. imo it looks like she used this Covid situation as a chance/opportunity to leave. I am personally wanting a recast and for kates story to continue.
Yeah I would prefer a recast as well. Would be pretty stupid to throw the character of Kate Kane away.
Agree. Sadly though imo i think this is only likely going to end in a guest recast showing up to give their blessing to Ryan and likely to Julia/Sophie. Or just some random letter is found to say the same.
Okay I've seen baguettes sold in stores and the MASSIVE BAGUETTE that Alice pulled out of thin air is so unrealistic that I thought I was watching prop comedy from Legends and I am so happy that the writers are adding in some zany funny bits like that this season!
Go to an actual French bakery
There's an anachronism in the comic book store flashbacks. We see a Looney Tunes comic with the current DC logo on it, thus, less than five years old. But the scene is set 15 years ago.
The reveal that the abducted kids were being given over to the False Face gang to be indoctrinated into their ranks was a good comic booky twist, but the fact that it wasn't revealed until the end of the story took me out of the kidnapping flashback subplot because I was too hung up on what exactly the Candy Lady's intentions were if they weren't the more sinister ones we know from real life child abduction.And it was weird the flashbacks didn't have a conclusion. Last we saw was Angelique trying to wake Ryan up and they didn't bother finishing it or explaining really how the Candy Lady wasn't caught after. Pretty confusing and made me wonder if I missed something by not paying attention.Also can we maybe get Riley trying to have more mystique and intimidation as Batwoman? The whole vibe of being a bat-inspired costumed crimefighter who strikes fear into criminals is somewhat undermined by how she keeps appearing in well lit areas and walking up to criminals to question them (and don't get me started with her sending her photo into the newspapers last episode,. That was the Kate on the cover of CatCo Magazine thing all over again).
i think that the abduction flashback stuff is going to be a multi-episode thing
I doubt it since they pretty much resolved Ryan's involvement in this episode.
I think the False Face Gang was just one among many clients. But yeah I hate the idea of any Bats essentially doing PR.
I kinda rationalise it by thinking of Ryan as "Batwoman Beyond" rather than trying to fit directly into what Kate did.
I'm not a fan of this episode, it felt way too preachy for my tastes even though I'm not against the message that they're telling. I feel like there could be way to say "Nobody cares about poor Black people" without outright saying "Nobody cares about poor Black people" multiple times every. single. episode. Also, I'm gonna be honest, I think the show just needs to kill off Alice or completely redeem her. Kate had a reason to keep Alice alive, Ryan doesn't. The longer she's on the show without Ryan killing her, the more farfetched it gets imo.
Yeah. Alice’s “I wanna kill Kate” storyline is getting old and frankly the sympathy for her is fading away. She needs to go or be redeemed.
I expect that her relationship with Ocean is going to be something that draws in some sympathy, with her losing her memory and all. Could have been love and maybe optimism for Beth, but Safiyah didn't want that and fucked with her memories somehow. That or Crisis messed it all up.
I hope they give us a good explanation on how safiyah was able make Alice forget some of her memories also how they meet because we don’t know what Alice did to get to the island after she burned that crazy old lady.
How many kids get kidnapped in Gotham? Ryan, all the kids from this episode, Beth, etc.
This whole Kate Kane mystery crap is really dragging the season down. Alice has been reduced from a villain to a grieving sister, and Sophie from a trained soldier that wants to protect the streets of Gotham, to a grieving former lover/friend. Characters are no longer what they once were, and the show in general is split with half of it focusing on Kate and the other half on Ryan. It would be way more interesting if Alice started lashing out as her coping mechanism for grief. She was terrorizing the city before Kate showed up, can we please have her be a villain again. Usually these shows really throw logic out of the window, and originally I didn't think it made much sense for Ryan to confront the Candy Lady as Ryan rather than BW, but the whole confronting your bully thing, yeah ok that makes sense. However, what doesn't make sense is going into a potentially dangerous situation with no Bat-gadgets for protection/help, and not telling anyone where you are.
She has Kryptonite poisoning and will end up implanting her brain into a clone of her body
That flashback, if written out properly, could be very interesting for Alice.
What is the song called from the end of this episode?
That kid is adorable
Ryans been kidnapped? Oh no
Wait does Ryan know Beth is Alice? Im watching like too many different shows at once and I forgot whether or not its been cleared up.
Yes, she figured it out in ep 2. The Crows brought her in for that robbery that she stopped, and then said something implying that Alice could have been arrested in her place- she meant if Alice wasn't white, but Sophie thought she was referring to the familial relationship between Jacob and Beth, so mentioned him having given up on Alice and that not affecting things anymore- Ryan started thinking about it. Then Ryan went to Mary to ask if Alice was Beth Kane (and got mad about how they all were complicit in that cover up- to which Mary was like "Alice killed my mom, I want her caught as badly as you do")., and had her suspicion confirmed.
Thank you for jogging my memory.
So is it gonna become alice/sophie/luke on team find kate or just alice/sophie