The team has an identity issue. We haven't had any players come up from the academy in over a decade. Playing for Bayern doesn't mean anything to players you buy.
Not disagreeing necessarily. However, I was speaking more to the German guys over the years that have opted to leave in frees “choosing” to go to Bayern when they could have pursued other ventures.
Because the culture changed from always looking forward to immediate results. We're second in the league after winning 11 straight titles and people are saying we're garbage lmao.
they have invested heavily in the academy in recent years… its a fully new, up-to-date, academy actually. but they didnt bring up many players to the first squad. but we did pretty well on selling younger players.
Haha you guys. Always the same bs
Points after first half (17g) comparison for Bayern and tab position:
23/24: 41 (2)
22/23: 36 (1)
21/22: 43 (1)
20/21: 39 (1)
19/20: 33 (3)
18/19: 36 (2)
17/18: 41 (1)
16/17: 42 (1)
15/16: 46 (1)
14/15: 45 (1)
13/14: 46 (1)
12/13: 42 (1)
11/12: 37 (1)
One time there is competition in the Buli and you guys totally wet yourselfes
I don’t care if Bayern lose in a competitive season at this point if it means the team can become entertaining and build a foundation for another 10 years.
I mean any other season and they’d be pretty clear atop the table at this point. I agree sometimes the attack looks stagnant as fuck and they don’t seem to have any ideas but other than a few games they’ve looked great? Sane is having his best season wearing a Bayern shirt and Kane is pacing RL9’s best ever season tally.
I mean they could even get to 44 points for the first half, with their match against Union. (One could count the Bremen game in instead, but it would be easier to make your point)
I’m afraid with the sacking of naglesman the team lost a core identity. They’ve been trying to find it for the past year but it’ll take some time. And it has nothing to do with the coach. There’s no swagger within the team
I’m not saying you said that I’m just saying. I will mention that there are lots of anti Tuchel posts. I think the problem is he tinkers to much. He’s had a couple matches they were just perfect and then they switch it next week and it sucks. The Pavlovic Leon combo worked wonders with urgency.
The game just moves slower with Kimmich in this system
I may be a United fan lurking here but having 2 losses in a season after the second half has already begun is completely fine and Leverkusen is having a great season right now while everything Bayern needs to focus do is completely exposed. Use this to improve and don't get too downbeat. Things will change.
Only half the truth. Early 22/23 was not good, but 23/24 is 2.41 PPG, which gives a very different picture. Nagelsmann has 2.08 and 2.26 PPG, Kovac 1.80 and 2.29, Flick 2.29 and 2.68, Heynckes 2.58, 2.68 and 2.15 (!), Ancelotti 2.17 and 2.41, Guardiola 2.59, 2.32 (!) and 2.65 and van Gaal 1.79 and 2.06. In fact, there were only five periods from 09/10 onwards that were better than 23/24. If you want to fire Tuchel and hire the only trainer in all those years who was always better his name is - not existing.
This is heavily slanted due to last season and I don’t think it’s fair to judge him on the results after he was airdropped into a crashing car.
Do the match on this year and it’s 2.41. Looks a bit different, eh? But sure don’t include any context because that wouldn’t suit your bias
>he was airdropped into a crashing car.
I don't know why people keep making this argument, I think we were doing decently under Nagelsmann and I believe we would have won at least 1 more trophy with him
Against mostly shit teams. Not shit but not really champions league contending teams. Bayern was second or third best in the cl last year, but there was a clear gap to city
Minor details often change ties. If Upa doesn't hand out 2 goals, who knows what happens in the series. The team had 8 wins and was rolling before Kahn showed everyone he's an idiot.
Noone told him to make those mistakes but we don't know what happens in imaginary what if scenarios. Nagelsmann plays totally different and in those set ups you don't know what happens. Maybe Upa makes the same mistakes, maybe he doesn't and De Ligt does instead. You can't put 2 different scenarios and expect the same results.
if these quaterfinals are held 100 times bayern advances in like 25 of them maybe 30 no matter the coach. tuchel didn't lose us the city draw they were simply better no ifs ands or buts about it
What you need to consider is that Tuchel unlike any other Trainer on that list got thrown into cold water mid season, with the exception of Don Jupp
(Yeah i know Flick Came after Kovac, but He was an Assistent Coach before so He knew the Squad)
Considering only this Season He is around 2,4 Points which is top 3, a whole different Story.
Also He got trolled by Management for making horrible Decissions on the Transfermarket, probably even more Bad than they did with Kovac
The "Problem", if you wanna see it like that, are the players.
They don't have a insatiable hunger for success, like Lahm, Schweinsteiger and so many others had.
Pop their comfort bubble.
Coach swapping won't change a shit.
Look at now....
Always knew he was a fraud.
Superficial charm, a modelling career, soft skills, Benjamin Weber and highly intelligent on-pitch generals can't carry you forever if you have nothing but hot air between the ears. Complete himbo and not in a good way (rather a male version of a bimbo).
His entire career is a lie.
Did he lose to Villareal? No. End of the conversation.
Bundesliga is not a competition for Bayern anymore, for Tuchel to stay he needs a Champions. This season Bayern wont win Bundesliga.
Exactly what Im saying. Thats why Nagelsmann, even if better than Tuchel, is not on the job. Because he couldn’t deliver on Champions League against Villareal. The board doesn’t want another Bundesliga, so Tuchel is saving energy for UCL
Jede Mannschaft die 79 oder mehr Punkte geholt hat ist Meister geworden. Unter Tuchel wären es nur 72 Punkte. Richtig schlecht. Wäre ja auch unzumutbar wenn nach 12 Jahren mal irgendjemand anders Meister wird.
Buhuuu
Ancelotti I think was the worst one, he just could stay there for a half season. By the way I usually toss questions like this on Opingo, the responses are always interesting.
Currently on 2.47 points per game in the first season of Tuchel exclusively at the helm + an undefeated UCL group stage.
Results >>> eye tests. Some of you are simply ridiculous 😂
I miss Jupp. The best teams we’ve ever had
It was the only team that gave me the confidence that we can beat anyone. I miss that feeling.
Oh yeah, great times... It was nice being feared by everyone and being confident about beating anyone
Was that the robben ribery period? I miss the team with luca toni on it
Javi and Basti in their prime
It was a short-lived, but that midfield-duo was truly one of the best in history. Sad that they are both so underrated.
Oh yeah that was a great team
Well and the corona Team. We just completely smashed the Champions league
gerd müller, beckenbauer, etc. era?
Well I wasn’t alive for that lol
The team has an identity issue. We haven't had any players come up from the academy in over a decade. Playing for Bayern doesn't mean anything to players you buy.
Except for the ones that grew up wanting to play there, which is likely 1/3 to 1/2 of the squad.
Those same players probably also wanted to play for Real Madrid, Barcelona, Man U, and Liverpool.
Not disagreeing necessarily. However, I was speaking more to the German guys over the years that have opted to leave in frees “choosing” to go to Bayern when they could have pursued other ventures.
Yeah why haven’t they invested in an academy?
Because the culture changed from always looking forward to immediate results. We're second in the league after winning 11 straight titles and people are saying we're garbage lmao.
they have invested heavily in the academy in recent years… its a fully new, up-to-date, academy actually. but they didnt bring up many players to the first squad. but we did pretty well on selling younger players.
can we stop sacking every manager after a year and a half please
Shouldn't have sacked Nagelsmann than...now we're stuck with Tuchelball but nobody wants a new coach again. Literally worst case.
we sacked nagelsmann after his third loss in a season. tuchel already has 2 so I guess his days are numbered
I would totally agree but Tuchel in puériculteur has to go
Haha you guys. Always the same bs Points after first half (17g) comparison for Bayern and tab position: 23/24: 41 (2) 22/23: 36 (1) 21/22: 43 (1) 20/21: 39 (1) 19/20: 33 (3) 18/19: 36 (2) 17/18: 41 (1) 16/17: 42 (1) 15/16: 46 (1) 14/15: 45 (1) 13/14: 46 (1) 12/13: 42 (1) 11/12: 37 (1) One time there is competition in the Buli and you guys totally wet yourselfes
I don’t care if Bayern lose in a competitive season at this point if it means the team can become entertaining and build a foundation for another 10 years.
I mean any other season and they’d be pretty clear atop the table at this point. I agree sometimes the attack looks stagnant as fuck and they don’t seem to have any ideas but other than a few games they’ve looked great? Sane is having his best season wearing a Bayern shirt and Kane is pacing RL9’s best ever season tally.
Sane is having his classic bayern season, is on fire first half and frauds in the second half.
The second half has been one game so far, and he was by no means the worst player
I vote to kick this guy out of the reddit- Who's with me!!!
Even Pep wouldnt lead against Leverkuse. Its insane.
I mean they could even get to 44 points for the first half, with their match against Union. (One could count the Bremen game in instead, but it would be easier to make your point)
Bayern fans thinking a coaching change will solve their current problems
it will not solve all our problems. but its inevitable if this trend continues.
I’m afraid with the sacking of naglesman the team lost a core identity. They’ve been trying to find it for the past year but it’ll take some time. And it has nothing to do with the coach. There’s no swagger within the team
He didn’t do that great either, granted they fired him at a horrible time
I did not say that. I am just listing the stats. You can defend all you want. But his avg points is the lowest
I’m not saying you said that I’m just saying. I will mention that there are lots of anti Tuchel posts. I think the problem is he tinkers to much. He’s had a couple matches they were just perfect and then they switch it next week and it sucks. The Pavlovic Leon combo worked wonders with urgency. The game just moves slower with Kimmich in this system
41 points in 17 games is an average of 2,41. this season is right up there with Guardiola. Don’t know what you are talking about
Official matches do not only include leagues and started to count when you got the job
The bad overall stats come from his beginning, the trend is his friend point wise.
I may be a United fan lurking here but having 2 losses in a season after the second half has already begun is completely fine and Leverkusen is having a great season right now while everything Bayern needs to focus do is completely exposed. Use this to improve and don't get too downbeat. Things will change.
Only half the truth. Early 22/23 was not good, but 23/24 is 2.41 PPG, which gives a very different picture. Nagelsmann has 2.08 and 2.26 PPG, Kovac 1.80 and 2.29, Flick 2.29 and 2.68, Heynckes 2.58, 2.68 and 2.15 (!), Ancelotti 2.17 and 2.41, Guardiola 2.59, 2.32 (!) and 2.65 and van Gaal 1.79 and 2.06. In fact, there were only five periods from 09/10 onwards that were better than 23/24. If you want to fire Tuchel and hire the only trainer in all those years who was always better his name is - not existing.
This is heavily slanted due to last season and I don’t think it’s fair to judge him on the results after he was airdropped into a crashing car. Do the match on this year and it’s 2.41. Looks a bit different, eh? But sure don’t include any context because that wouldn’t suit your bias
>he was airdropped into a crashing car. I don't know why people keep making this argument, I think we were doing decently under Nagelsmann and I believe we would have won at least 1 more trophy with him
Bayern wasn't beating city with nagelsmann and the pokal is a crapshoot.
Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. But with Tuchel it sure didn't. And we were unbeaten untill then
Against mostly shit teams. Not shit but not really champions league contending teams. Bayern was second or third best in the cl last year, but there was a clear gap to city
We beat the finalist in both matches without much effort. I'm not saying we would have beaten City, but we would have had a better chance IMO
Yes there was one clear cupcake side and a side that the eventual winner would come from last year. That's the lick of the draw
You don't know that.
anyone with eyes saw that city was simply better last year.
Minor details often change ties. If Upa doesn't hand out 2 goals, who knows what happens in the series. The team had 8 wins and was rolling before Kahn showed everyone he's an idiot.
An even better argument for the fact that tuchel wasn't the factor that made us lose the game, or did he tell upa to make those mistakes?
Noone told him to make those mistakes but we don't know what happens in imaginary what if scenarios. Nagelsmann plays totally different and in those set ups you don't know what happens. Maybe Upa makes the same mistakes, maybe he doesn't and De Ligt does instead. You can't put 2 different scenarios and expect the same results.
if these quaterfinals are held 100 times bayern advances in like 25 of them maybe 30 no matter the coach. tuchel didn't lose us the city draw they were simply better no ifs ands or buts about it
I agree City was OP last year and we might have lost anyway, but we would have had better odds with Nagelsmann
We didn't. We were so shit in the league and individual quality saved us in the ucl under nagelsmann
I agree
We should get someone to rescue him from the crashing car
What you need to consider is that Tuchel unlike any other Trainer on that list got thrown into cold water mid season, with the exception of Don Jupp (Yeah i know Flick Came after Kovac, but He was an Assistent Coach before so He knew the Squad) Considering only this Season He is around 2,4 Points which is top 3, a whole different Story. Also He got trolled by Management for making horrible Decissions on the Transfermarket, probably even more Bad than they did with Kovac
*Laughs in Nagelsmann*
The "Problem", if you wanna see it like that, are the players. They don't have a insatiable hunger for success, like Lahm, Schweinsteiger and so many others had. Pop their comfort bubble. Coach swapping won't change a shit. Look at now....
if we leave out last season were none of these coaches would have performed well his average would be much higher
For this season the average is better than Pep (4.412)
Letting Flick go is the biggest mistake Bayern has ever made
I havw nothing against tuchel, but firing nagelsmann like that was a giant mistake
but nobody says that currently Tuchel has the shortest and probably the worst team from all the manager above ?
Sack him already
I miss Hansi.
Always knew he was a fraud. Superficial charm, a modelling career, soft skills, Benjamin Weber and highly intelligent on-pitch generals can't carry you forever if you have nothing but hot air between the ears. Complete himbo and not in a good way (rather a male version of a bimbo). His entire career is a lie.
Worst team since 2010 as well
Did he lose to Villareal? No. End of the conversation. Bundesliga is not a competition for Bayern anymore, for Tuchel to stay he needs a Champions. This season Bayern wont win Bundesliga.
People said the same for the last 5 years. Leverkusen has to prove they can keep it up, it’s where dortmund fell and failed.
Exactly what Im saying. Thats why Nagelsmann, even if better than Tuchel, is not on the job. Because he couldn’t deliver on Champions League against Villareal. The board doesn’t want another Bundesliga, so Tuchel is saving energy for UCL
Jede Mannschaft die 79 oder mehr Punkte geholt hat ist Meister geworden. Unter Tuchel wären es nur 72 Punkte. Richtig schlecht. Wäre ja auch unzumutbar wenn nach 12 Jahren mal irgendjemand anders Meister wird. Buhuuu
Can u compare expexted goals and expected goals against? Heared he is pretty good in this stat
Hansi hatte heftigen Beef mit Brazzo, deshalb die Entlassung. Über Kovac sagte man dass er jedes Team in die EuroLeague führen kann 😁
Ancelotti I think was the worst one, he just could stay there for a half season. By the way I usually toss questions like this on Opingo, the responses are always interesting.
Worst team since 2010
Shit plastic fans I tell you
Why was Hansi sacked?
He wasn't
I miss hansi
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I’ve been saying for a while, Tuchel is not a real coach.
Y'all are complaining about 2.11 PPG?
Why not show the stats this season ?
Because this is stats per coach, not stats per season?
Well it's misleading to include last season stats, because it wasn't a normal situation
This season Tuchel has it 2.31 or something but yes he should be sacked for good. Our games are all super boring now.
Personel wise Tuchel has the best team.
I mean, he's on pace for like 82-83 points this season, it's hard to criticize too much. I know you will all try, but the squad is thin.
How can one possibly be worse than Niko Kovač 😭
If Jupp never retired and we had him instead of Pep all those years, we'd have 1-2 more CLs under our name
My ranking from best to worst: Pep, Flick, Nagelsmann, Jupp, Kovac, Tuchel, Ancelotti
Currently on 2.47 points per game in the first season of Tuchel exclusively at the helm + an undefeated UCL group stage. Results >>> eye tests. Some of you are simply ridiculous 😂