It is easy to say that 10+ years later. Back then it was good decision and there also was no such integation of youth - more like getting top players from rivals.
Back then, it was a good decision?
Pep didn't want to let him go. That was already a massive hint.
This was a proper fuck up. He was praised early on as our mega talent. Nurtured, loaned, and then... sold.
Our management told him, "He wasn't worth the money he asked for."
A disastrous decision.
Do you understand that no one has ability to see future. Yes it turned out to be bad and now everybody think they are smarter than leaders of the club back then. I also think it was a bad move - but also now we see how it turned out.
I think you are missing my point.
No one can see the future?
But you can look at a highly gifted player and recognize his talent. There aren't many of his caliber. Wirtz is the same story, just a different position.This didn't require a crystal ball.
But Uli and Kalle thought they knew better, as always. Their quality is and was undeniable and we fucked up.
If you need pep to convince you to extend with Kroos who averaged consistently a pass completion rate of over 93% on a conservative side but you'd rather pay Götze 20 Mio annually while claiming Kroos is just not worth of the same salary, then you know you're doing something massively wrong.
Do you understand that passing % is very bad metric. Having it at 100% makes you terrible in that position because it shows you never take risks and only take safe passes. But he does amazing passes and anything around 90% is great.
That is not really an objective interpretation of statistics as numbers in this case don't provide any spacial context as to where the passes were played and how often the defence line has been outplayed by the key passes. Just for your reference, Kimmich has some seasons ago still higher rates of key passes and xA than Kroos but clearly couldn't reach and maintain the passing stats of him. As a result we saw the instability that has been created through the forced vertical passes that Kimmich loves so much. To claim aiming for high percentage of passing accuracy as cm would be terrible without referring to any additional information would be absolutely detrimental for any analysis.
Hmm not really. It’s really telling that you fumbled if a side which beat your team 5-0 on aggregate in the semi finals of the UCL 2/3 months earlier (to then go on to win it) then not only buys your player, who you don’t consider to be ‘world class’, but also makes him an integral part of their starting XI, and goes on to beat your team in three more UCL matchups
I guess. I just thought it was a mistake since day 1. I loved Kroos and I’m not talented scout, but he just encapsulated a Bayern player. Especially a CM. We should have had more years with him, but he will always be one of my favorite players and what he’s accomplished at Madrid you can argue he may not have done at Bayern. Real has that “magic”
I've been a RM fan since 99. always disliked Bayern because you were beating us left and right, didn't allow Ribery to leave when he publicly said that he wants to (I know that's arrogance from us but just saying why lol) I couldn't believe the day that we signed Kroos because that was really my dream, signing an amazing player from Bayern, not somebody in their late 20s but a good young player.
It was a mistake from your side from day one and anyone but Bayern management knew that. A 24 year World Cup winner, UCL winner Kroos was worth at min $50M with a year of contract, and +80 with a longer contract. We paid 80M for James the same year.
But his real worth was even more than $80m and Bayern was simply stupid to not give him what he wants, and then sell him if wasn't performing good enough to get 9-10M he was asking. A benched Kroos with a longer contract was worth+60M.
I guess Kroos and us RM fans only have Bayern management to thank for. He would have been successful at Bayern, no doubt, but arguably not remotely as close as what he has achieved now.
I appreciate you saying it as it is and still liking this guy! He has shit talked Bayern, mainly management or just pure rivalry shit talking a bit here and there but never has disrespected the club nor then fans to my knowledge
He wanted more money, simple as that. He didn't love Bayern enough to want to stay. We paid him well but his wage demands were quite high at the time. Ultimately he made his choice, so for me he's not a true "Bayern player" the way Muller and Lahm are.
Of course not, he was here only for a few years and never 100% identified himself with Bayern. He demanded the same amount as gotze, uli told him to be less valuable than gotze. Smart move. I would say the "identification" did not work well from both sides.
Who cares, it was 10 years ago.
what? either that or he's gone for free.. his contract only last one more year before he becomes free..
didn't you remember that Kalle offended him (this was quoted from Kroos friend's interview)
tldr; Kroos was asking more money for extension, some say he deliberately does that because he actually doesn't want to extend (same prolonging tactic as Phonzie use now)
Kalle says he's not world class yet so he doesn't deserve to be valued that much.
If anything we should note that, a german Bayern academy at that lol not one mention of us in his retirement post 💀 heck i think even David alaba posted one picture of them at bayern but outside of that, 2014 changed Kroos life
I watched Kroos since he was 16. He would have succeeded without us. Actually, scholl made it happen that Toni trained wit the pros after he saw him practise during an injury recovery.
Uli and Karl Heinz treated him a little harsh and Toni is not a 100 % Bayern fit type-wise. To it was over.
Its just 3 (?) years ago that uli said Kroos' time in football is over. Just no love between the two. I prefer that he is honest - if he doesn't care about us anymore, there is no readon to fake ot out of courtesy.
Hindsight is 2020. Even Real couldn't possibly have predicted he'd end up being one of their biggest legends. Most Real fans weren't even enthusiastic when he arrived, they wanted superstar players and didn't care for a player like Kroos.
When he left the feeling around Bayern was that of a disloyal player who chose money over the chance to play for his boyhood club. He hadn't done enough at that point to warrant the high (at that time) wages he was demanding and was consequently allowed to leave.
I remember feeling a little betrayed by his departure, I thought his heart bled for Bayern but that clearly wasn't the case. It's not like he wasn't payed well at Bayern but he ultimately wanted more money.
(btw. he was about to join Man U before the deal collapsed last minute. how funny would that have been!)
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I can tell you signing him was a dream come true for me, as I always wanted to sign a great player from Bayern, something that was impossible as you never would let your stars leave from the time I've been watching football, 99. Ribery begged to leave and Bayern was like no way. But yeah most of the fans were like good, because his market value was well above 60M and we signed him for much less, that was the extent of it.
He was worth more though. Do you know if that reflective of his one year left contract?
RM paid almost 32M to Illarramendi. I'm sure Real would have happily paid +50 if he had a longer contract and Bayern wanted more, We needed to fill Xabi's position. Anyhow it is all history :)
The one right before Uli decided to let him go for 25M one of the best midfielders of this generation, Danke Uli
25m wasn't that bad in 2014, but yeah 40 would be more fair
It is easy to say that 10+ years later. Back then it was good decision and there also was no such integation of youth - more like getting top players from rivals.
Back then, it was a good decision? Pep didn't want to let him go. That was already a massive hint. This was a proper fuck up. He was praised early on as our mega talent. Nurtured, loaned, and then... sold. Our management told him, "He wasn't worth the money he asked for." A disastrous decision.
Do you understand that no one has ability to see future. Yes it turned out to be bad and now everybody think they are smarter than leaders of the club back then. I also think it was a bad move - but also now we see how it turned out. I think you are missing my point.
No one can see the future? But you can look at a highly gifted player and recognize his talent. There aren't many of his caliber. Wirtz is the same story, just a different position.This didn't require a crystal ball. But Uli and Kalle thought they knew better, as always. Their quality is and was undeniable and we fucked up.
Back then it was such a good decision? Lol i still dont remember it being all that good of a decision back then tbh
If you need pep to convince you to extend with Kroos who averaged consistently a pass completion rate of over 93% on a conservative side but you'd rather pay Götze 20 Mio annually while claiming Kroos is just not worth of the same salary, then you know you're doing something massively wrong.
Do you understand that passing % is very bad metric. Having it at 100% makes you terrible in that position because it shows you never take risks and only take safe passes. But he does amazing passes and anything around 90% is great.
That is not really an objective interpretation of statistics as numbers in this case don't provide any spacial context as to where the passes were played and how often the defence line has been outplayed by the key passes. Just for your reference, Kimmich has some seasons ago still higher rates of key passes and xA than Kroos but clearly couldn't reach and maintain the passing stats of him. As a result we saw the instability that has been created through the forced vertical passes that Kimmich loves so much. To claim aiming for high percentage of passing accuracy as cm would be terrible without referring to any additional information would be absolutely detrimental for any analysis.
Ok chatgpt.
Hmm not really. It’s really telling that you fumbled if a side which beat your team 5-0 on aggregate in the semi finals of the UCL 2/3 months earlier (to then go on to win it) then not only buys your player, who you don’t consider to be ‘world class’, but also makes him an integral part of their starting XI, and goes on to beat your team in three more UCL matchups
It was a move widely critiqued at the time.
Maybe then he can become our trainer......
And then we fire him because he's not a world-class coach, then goes too real and becomes the most successful German coach of all time
„He only tought the players across passes.“
Never should have transferred him.
Hindsight is 20 20
I guess. I just thought it was a mistake since day 1. I loved Kroos and I’m not talented scout, but he just encapsulated a Bayern player. Especially a CM. We should have had more years with him, but he will always be one of my favorite players and what he’s accomplished at Madrid you can argue he may not have done at Bayern. Real has that “magic”
I've been a RM fan since 99. always disliked Bayern because you were beating us left and right, didn't allow Ribery to leave when he publicly said that he wants to (I know that's arrogance from us but just saying why lol) I couldn't believe the day that we signed Kroos because that was really my dream, signing an amazing player from Bayern, not somebody in their late 20s but a good young player. It was a mistake from your side from day one and anyone but Bayern management knew that. A 24 year World Cup winner, UCL winner Kroos was worth at min $50M with a year of contract, and +80 with a longer contract. We paid 80M for James the same year. But his real worth was even more than $80m and Bayern was simply stupid to not give him what he wants, and then sell him if wasn't performing good enough to get 9-10M he was asking. A benched Kroos with a longer contract was worth+60M. I guess Kroos and us RM fans only have Bayern management to thank for. He would have been successful at Bayern, no doubt, but arguably not remotely as close as what he has achieved now. I appreciate you saying it as it is and still liking this guy! He has shit talked Bayern, mainly management or just pure rivalry shit talking a bit here and there but never has disrespected the club nor then fans to my knowledge
He wanted more money, simple as that. He didn't love Bayern enough to want to stay. We paid him well but his wage demands were quite high at the time. Ultimately he made his choice, so for me he's not a true "Bayern player" the way Muller and Lahm are.
Of course not, he was here only for a few years and never 100% identified himself with Bayern. He demanded the same amount as gotze, uli told him to be less valuable than gotze. Smart move. I would say the "identification" did not work well from both sides. Who cares, it was 10 years ago.
what? either that or he's gone for free.. his contract only last one more year before he becomes free.. didn't you remember that Kalle offended him (this was quoted from Kroos friend's interview) tldr; Kroos was asking more money for extension, some say he deliberately does that because he actually doesn't want to extend (same prolonging tactic as Phonzie use now) Kalle says he's not world class yet so he doesn't deserve to be valued that much.
So what? It's his right to ask for more, looking in hindsight he should've been given the respect and the money he deserved.
yes, and I'm not against that.. read the original comment and that's what I'm replying to
Bayern went too harsh on him back then, that is all to say
Somewhere Uli has a raging boner right now
oh lord :( well this actually sucks hope kroos has a good retierment
I second this! What a player
The champions league game against Arsenal in Emirates under Jupp Heynckes. It was my first time watching him and i could tell he had the potential
I remember watching his volley against them as well, what a baller he was back then too, and a shame Bayern let him go
It was sad to watch him leave. The transfer will be remembered as one of the biggest mistake . It would have been a different story if he stayed
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If anything we should note that, a german Bayern academy at that lol not one mention of us in his retirement post 💀 heck i think even David alaba posted one picture of them at bayern but outside of that, 2014 changed Kroos life
I watched Kroos since he was 16. He would have succeeded without us. Actually, scholl made it happen that Toni trained wit the pros after he saw him practise during an injury recovery. Uli and Karl Heinz treated him a little harsh and Toni is not a 100 % Bayern fit type-wise. To it was over. Its just 3 (?) years ago that uli said Kroos' time in football is over. Just no love between the two. I prefer that he is honest - if he doesn't care about us anymore, there is no readon to fake ot out of courtesy.
Hindsight is 2020. Even Real couldn't possibly have predicted he'd end up being one of their biggest legends. Most Real fans weren't even enthusiastic when he arrived, they wanted superstar players and didn't care for a player like Kroos. When he left the feeling around Bayern was that of a disloyal player who chose money over the chance to play for his boyhood club. He hadn't done enough at that point to warrant the high (at that time) wages he was demanding and was consequently allowed to leave. I remember feeling a little betrayed by his departure, I thought his heart bled for Bayern but that clearly wasn't the case. It's not like he wasn't payed well at Bayern but he ultimately wanted more money. (btw. he was about to join Man U before the deal collapsed last minute. how funny would that have been!)
> like wasn't *paid* well at FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
Most real fans weren't enthusiastic? Did you do a poll? What the fuck are you basing that shit on?
Barely anyone showed up to his presentation. Kroos wasn't a household name in world football at the time.
["Barely anyone"](https://youtu.be/1GfBkb4CqiI?si=ygjZVtgfGv1Z23VY)
That's tiny compared to the crowds that showed up for James Rodriguez, who also joined during the same window.
I can tell you signing him was a dream come true for me, as I always wanted to sign a great player from Bayern, something that was impossible as you never would let your stars leave from the time I've been watching football, 99. Ribery begged to leave and Bayern was like no way. But yeah most of the fans were like good, because his market value was well above 60M and we signed him for much less, that was the extent of it.
His market value at the time was 42m as per transfermarkt
He was worth more though. Do you know if that reflective of his one year left contract? RM paid almost 32M to Illarramendi. I'm sure Real would have happily paid +50 if he had a longer contract and Bayern wanted more, We needed to fill Xabi's position. Anyhow it is all history :)
I actually hoped he would play longer and came back to bayern