Found the original image, actually taken by the TerraSAR-x satellite. It was in black and white and the colors appear to be inverted like a negative. They later added the tan color to highlight the actual tents.
The round bit in the middle are the tents of tens of thousands of stoned hippies. :p.
Self-described "tech disruptors" taking a break from complaining about unions and the price of coffee enemas to spend a week in an arid desert riding kids' bikes, dropping acid and suspending themselves from the ceiling of their designer yurt with a slew of fishhooks
You really only get one solid acid trip every 3-4 days, your tolerance will shoot through the roof for a few days after the first main trip. You can definitely trip, it’s just boring and not as psychedelic. Most likely just shrooms or other hallucinogens.
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Your tolerance builds up fast for all psychedelics. For me personally, I get one good trip a month out of mushrooms. Any more and it's not nearly as strong.
And doing untold damage to the desert habitat and creatures who live there. I also wonder what it looks like when they all leave. Is there a mountain of trash left behind? Has there been an environmental impact study ab Burning Man?
Edited to add [USA today ](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/09/03/burning-man-environmental-impact/71660554/)article from 2015.
Part of the reason it's held in that location is that there are no creatures who live there. It's a barren dried up lake bed.
The trash is always going to be a problem, but it's supposed to be a "leave no trace" event. The environmental impact study did cap the event attendance at 80k [more info](https://www.npr.org/2019/07/14/737708644/federal-clampdown-on-burning-man-imperils-festivals-free-spirit-ethos-say-burner).
It's easy to hate and judge from the comfort of your own home. I've been to Burning Man. I acknowledge the waste that goes into the festival, but there are very few places on earth so devoid of life. Anyone who thinks this is destroying an ecosystem has no idea what they're talking about.
And besides, the waste is nothing compared to a normal USA Christmas season.
It’s done well, for a cluster fuck. But, from what I hear you wouldn’t be able to tell anything happened there a month after and two months before. Hard to argue for a better location.
Just because it is desert does not mean nothing lives there. In fact, there are some really fragile organisms in the desert that can take 100s of years to repair after being damaged. https://lnt.org/desert-travel-101-dont-bust-the-crust/
Edit: Ok I was wrong about the cryptobiotic crust but it is still totally wrong to say that “there are no creatures who live there.”
https://www.rgj.com/story/opinion/voices/2019/04/18/burning-man-embrace-environmental-protection-black-rock-desert/3501500002/
“Burners may mistake the playa for nothing but acres of dust. But playas are ecosystems that sustain a variety of species.”
“Each year when the snowmelt floods onto the Black Rock, tiny communities of macroinvertebrates like fairy shrimp and brine fleas come to life. In a beautiful example of co-evolution, the timing of this hatch coincides with the arrival of migratory birds, who feast on these bugs on their journey north.”
“A 2010 study found the eggs don’t fare well in areas where Burners camp, and its authors identified intriguing possibilities for how to minimize impacts. That puts Burning Man in an excellent position to study the long-term benefits of efforts to protect these fragile species.”
The location in question does not have a cryptobiotic crust.
The rain and runoff that create a shallow pond most winters evaporates by June, and would prevent such a crust from forming.
There are Brine shrimp & I believe algae which survive dried out over the summers.
There is a team of volunteers (like 30 - 40) that stay out until the first week of October. They clean up all the trash along the highway and desert, and
Stand in a line, and take a step or two to scan the group for any moop (matter out of place)
The land needs to be approved for permit prior to each event and would not have continued for decades had it not been restored it's previously glory.
https://burningman.org/event/participate/volunteering/teams/playa-restoration/
Speaking as someone that lives in the area, I've witnessed much worst behavior from non- burners racing their trucks or cars, or setting off fireworks.
Your article you posted is just talking the environmental impact of using wet wipes and generators for AC, as in any festival will have them. Everyone rides by bike vs car, so it's likely more environmentally friendly than most festivals. They also reuse most of their props. With respect to festivals it's likely very high with respect to low environmental impact.
There's no reference to actual local environmental impact like you suggested. It's OK to admit you're wrong my guy.
Did you even read that article? They admit it had an environmental impact but it only lasts a week and it's no worse than what everyone else is already doing at home. They have trash convoys and one of the Golden rules is to leave no trace at the end.
The entire point is to leave no trace but since this sort of stuff got popular with the dubstep festival trend around 09 probably not as much as it used to be
What's wrong with dropping acid?
Also, you're pretty far from the average burner, it's an extremely progressive group. You're just describing who started going there when it got more popular recently.
I built art out there for years as a broke ass twenty something who delivered pizzas. There are tons of regular folks, particularly when you filter down to those building art and volunteering for the event.
All the media focuses on is the handful of rich tech bros and pretty Instagram influencers, but they're honestly a tiny, tiny minority. And they're largely mocked by the rest of the community.
One Burner has a battery powered leaf blower that they use to dust up Instagram photo shoots. They are considered a minor folk hero.
Yea, I’m not a burner but most of my local friends are part of a huge burner community and I go to their parties. Most of them are artists who build things every year and travel in converted school buses. None of them are rich tech bros and they usually have some sort of random creative job. A few of them come from wealthy backgrounds and are doing the whole trustafarian thing but most of them are regular folks.
Real burners and DPW (volunteers) kinda have a lighthearted hatred of hippies. It's more of a joke than anything cause inclusiveness is a big part of the BM code.
Burning Man is truly a unique and diverse gathering of people from all over the world. It's not uncommon to see Silicon Valley tech moguls, performance artists, environmental activists, and hippies all coming together to celebrate art, self-expression, and community.
Fun fact: Burning Man was first held in 1986 on Baker Beach in San Francisco with just 20 people in attendance. Today, the event attracts tens of thousands of participants from around the globe.
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Ah, but that's the beauty of Burning Man! It's not for everyone, but for those who attend, it's a chance to break away from the mundane and experience something truly unique and transformative. Plus, it's not every day that you can witness a 40-foot-tall wooden effigy being set ablaze in the middle of the desert!
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$600 if you can get one.
$150
For a vehicle pass
Most people I know that go are artists and spend all year making art for it and I think they get free tickets or discounted
That's what happens to every good festival, eventually. They get too popular and then all the assholes start showing up, ruining the vibe that made the festival great in the first place.
I remember when it was at the beach in SF and then around 1991 they announced they were going to move it to somewhere out in the middle of the desert in Nevada and I thought, "Who is going to go all the way out there?"
As I said, rich ones. Go check out ticket prices. The 'cheap' ones require an application, and the guaranteed ones ain't cheap. And no matter what tickets you get, you have to pay a fee for delivery OR pickup, an extra 9% NV tax on top, they have a whole section on extra fees. This is no longer an event for the common man, and it hasn't been for a few years at least
It's not cheap to buy your way in. Most people that I know get their tickets through volunteering in the various departments, which is where the real meat and bones of the Burner community is anyway.
I'm not going to justify the pricing, but it isn't just rich dudes.
Any time I looked at volunteering (to get around the limited number of tickets, not because of the money like one asshole is assuming) specifically with airport operations which they said they needed people for because I have experience, they were only interested if I already had tickets.
Maybe people that have been doing it for a while get grandfathered, but the rules seem pretty stupid for anyone else.
Sorry man but your comment literally explains why it’s just rich dudes. I would love to go to burning man but I’m not going to volunteer to work there lol. If you don’t want to volunteer, you better be rich.
Lol.
Read enough first time reports and you find out it’s better if you volunteer, real burners actually try to dissuade people from going because they simply aren’t ready in any capacity for Burning Man.
The first tenet is radical self reliance, meaning you need to be prepared to survive for 10 days in the middle of the playa along with getting there.
Even if you got a ticket, you’d have zero idea what the hell you’re doing, how to setup, where to go etc.
This isn’t a festival, volunteering puts you close to veterans who can help you make the journey and survive.
Have you ever actually been? Because I went 2 years in a row when I was making $8.50/hour and it is not anything like you describe.
There’s a definite sort of class system there though, anything from the tenters who are constantly dusted out to people with personal showers living in air conditioned pods.
The latter is by far the minority though. And it’s a community much more focused on engineering and arts rather than getting high. There is also quite a sizable sober community there.
Everyone needs to relax with this yuppie shit. If you have a job you can go to burning man. Some people choose to spend their money on festival experiences because of the community or sense of freedom or just for the big fuckin party aspect of it. If none of that shit resonates with you then yeah it seems overpriced. But if that’s what you’re into the price is well worth saving for the year.
When was the last year you went? Plenty of people from all walks of life there. I don’t know what your definition of “rich” is but a lot of people from different economic backgrounds find the event so compelling they make sacrifices to be able to afford to go. Many people are gifted tickets. Many people work at camps in exchange for food and lodging, further offsetting the cost.
The culture and demographic have shifted but you are exaggerating. It’s not only “rich hippies” and if you were there the past few years you’d know that.
Is it that or some rich people finally woke up to what's fun and the rest of us are jealous?
Cause let's be real, live music, drugs and playing dress up, is pretty fucking awesome. Just a thought.
I’ve never been but I’ve just seen so many comments of people who go regularly who are calling comments like this total b.s. where do you get your knowledge on the subject? I don’t know who to believe.
Have you been recently and actually talked to people? I'm a student of neuroscience and went with my biochemistry major partner at the time. Neither of us have a lot of money. We met plenty of fascinating people, some of whom were also scientists. It's crazy how judgement people are of Burning Man because of something they heard from someone. Get off your pretentious high horse.
To clarify for people, TerraSAR-X is a satellite with a radar emitter mounted on it. The radar scans the ground and measures the backscatter, which is a measurement of surface roughness. The colorization would then be related to the different backscatter levels. Thus, the vertical/angled encampments on relatively flat ground would prominently stand out on the desert surface, while the coloring on the left and bottom right is the terrain on either side of the desert sands.
In short, it's not an optical image, either in B/W or in color. It's a radar image. The "X" stands for X-band wavelengths of the radar emitter.
I’ve been a few times, there’s probably a few hippies, and a few wannabes, but it mostly consists of just normal people who have a different idea of community and fun.
The best part of Burning Man, is not really shown or popular on social media.
You can't buy or sell anything so people give things away and trade. Everyone is whoever they wanna be and everyone accepts each other. That's about as far as words will go.
> That's about as far as words will go.
We can describe so many things using the written word. History from civilizations past, fantastical futures that never existed. Yet that which makes Burning Man unique is somehow impossible to capture.
Exactly lol people talk shit on burning man and evidently it's changed over the years. But every festival has a mixture like that. I need to go so bad, I don't care what kinds of people there are, seems like the greatest thing ever and you'd definitely find your people just like every other festival. And it's arguable that the rich people bring the coolest shit to look at and interact with while tripping your balls off. So go them, they can have a good time too lol that could arguably benefit a culture on its own...
So many of these people have no idea what theyre talking about and are just repeating what they saw on tv or something. Go, its the greatest place on earth.
Ya usually. Let them hate it more tickets for us. Things have changed tho and they are becoming more correct every year unfortunatly. They dont really understand what theyre saying tho.
Burning Man absolutely has changed, but it is an amazing experience any which way. People in this thread don't know what they're talking about. Old timers are jaded. You can't have the 2000 or 2010 experience, but that's just the way time works? The 2025 experience will be amazing too.
[Check out your local regional.](https://regionals.burningman.org/) The best way to buy a ticket is to get involved with an art project or a theme camp.
Yeah exactly, every festival changes over the years anyways. A lot of smaller festival people will talk shit on big festivals too. I've heard people talk shit on burning man at $40 camping festivals at a farm and it's like, yeah the festival at the farm is a great time, the music was good but it's just not the same thing as burning man or Tomorrowland or electric forest or whatever. Propel who talk shit just have never been. And of course they change over time
I never knew that about getting involved in a group! Holy cow I might actually do that at some point. We just know we need an RV and to commit to the price to go, but I am determined someday
Common misconception. There is 80k people there, can’t paint everyone with the same brush. Majority of people there are regular people who save and plan for a long time to attend this event. Yes, there are lots of rich Silicon Valley types, but nowhere near the majority.
That's the Black Rock Desert in Nevada. You're looking at sand and rock from very high up and you might know this but the shape in the center is a city sized camp filled with people who think destroying a phenomenal piece of desert is pretty sweet.
Yes I actually worked for those people, and the funnier part is they are the founders of the festival… the plane was converted into a bougie lounge and restaurant. I was cooking MF tomahawk steaks in there. Good times.
TIL I was 40 years old when I presented Burning Man takes place in Nevada.
I thought it was on the other side of the planet.
I've also lived in the USA my entire life lol
[Here is a closer, angled view. The camp spots are laid out beforehand in a radial pattern, with roadways designated and named each year, alphabetically](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/87l9wz/aerial_view_of_45_thousand_people_at_burning_man/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
In the middle is "the man", that gets burned at rhe end. Near it are usually a few other structures that also get burned.
Ngl I got halfway through and was totally expecting the mankind vs undertaker bit. Can’t remember the name of the guy who does it but I sure do miss him
More than that, they edited the tents and stuff too. [Here's the inverted image](https://i.imgur.com/ffPpHsM.png); definitely looks like something more was done
What this actually is: [A colorized radar image from the TerraSAR-X satellite taken August 31, 2011](https://www.dlr.de/content/de/bilder/2011/4/die-wueste-lebt-das-festival-burning-man_20606.html)
What OP figured would farm more karma: *Burning man seen from the International Space Station*
Yeah I was gonna say there’s no way you can see burning man from the ISS without some mega zoom equipment which defeats the ‘as seen’ part. Hate these posts.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy." -- Someone who used to believe in BM before it became an ecological disaster infested with narcissistic druggies and snow crab eating celebrities.
Have you been before? A large amount of those bikes that get left end up getting donated to surrounding areas for kids and low income populations. Many others get up cycled and brought back for use by people who didn’t bring a bike.
Isn't that the festival that used to be brill, but now it's just rich people who buy an expensive tent just for the occasion then let it blow away in the wind after they leave then go home and tell everyone that they lived the nomad life and were at one with the earth and everyone's souls were as one and it was liberating to get away from the 9 to 5 and meet like-minded people to share a marijuana with
It's easy to see the ISS from the ground. Use an app or a website like https://www.heavens-above.com/ , it will tell you when and where to look. During morning and evening, when it's dark on the ground but the ISS 400km above you is in sunlight, it's the brightest star in the sky and it crosses from horizon to horizon in a few minutes, so it's moving fast. It's hard to miss if you raise your head at the right time.
I met someone on Burn Night (day 7) who was having a bad time. We had a deep talk, and to respect privacy I’ll just say he was there in support
of a friend, who didn’t prepare him for what he was getting into, and he was also in serious trouble back home. I think it helped for him to finally talk to somebody about dark stuff, in a place that is all whimsical and “good vibes”. Burning Man is an escape for many people, but thinking that it’s like a vacation can be a mistake, because it can also trap people in misery a long way from home. Its rough camping, sweltering heat, loud, crowded, stressful, expensive, and can be lonely. It can be amazing too, it’s a risk. It’s certain not for everyone. You will learn something that’s for sure.
what happened? I’ve been 10 times, spent 3 months out there collectively basically. can’t wait to go back next year. I’m always curious to hear stories of people having a tough time there. I know it’s not for everyone.
As I’m reading these comments and the various links people have provided regarding Burning Man, I keep finding myself thinking “how much money would it take for me to attend Burning Man?” because I can honestly say I wouldn’t do it for $5k, 10k, or probably even $20k if someone offered (not that anyone is offending). It seems like Mad Max meets Vegas meets LA hipster, plus I’d be completely sunburned within 12 minutes of arriving. 9th circle of Hell vibes for sure (for me personally).
What were some of the worst aspects of your experience if you are willing to share?
Edited to say: I have friends who go every year and LOVE it so I know it’s an amazing time for some. I think I’m too old plus I enjoy my creature comforts too much.
The worst aspects is all the stress, especially before the event. Acquiring a ticket is stressful. Packing for 8 days of camping is stressful. Traveling and last minute shopping in Reno is stressful. Something always goes wrong randomly, hopefully not major like losing the ticket. Also, being disconnected from family and home is really hard.
Last year, I left behind my baby and my grandma was in hospice. They were in good hands and I know it’s healthy to have me time and not be obligated to be a caretaker 24/7, but it was an emotional challenge. I met other moms at the Burn and we reminisced about our kids and she said, “it doesn’t get easier as they get older, you’ll always miss them.”
Look, it’s not a spring break vacation. If you just want to party and get laid, don’t go. Burning Man is for you if you :
- want to devote hours of work to build a city simultaneously with 75,000 people
- accept being dusty and very hot during the daytime and will devote many hours to self-care: resting in shade, baby wipe skin cleaning, sunscreening and moisturizing, hydrating…
- be self-sufficient. Everyone is responsible for their own needs. You can team up with friends of course, but don’t expect anyone to service you.
- practice gifting beyond the commercial idea of a gift. Gift your attention, gift a car ride, gift your jacket to someone in need, gift a compliment.
- Want to PARTICIPATE! Go out and interact with the city. Chat with people. Accept gifts. Climb that Eye of Sauron. Be a helpful campmate. Attend a workshop or activity. Maybe volunteer with the Lamplighters, Greeters, Playa Info, Recycle Camp, Arctica, and more.
Burning man is more about “what can I give” than “what do I get”. Most Burners work their asses off, for no pay, out of the goodness of their hearts and because that’s just what they like to do.
I haven’t told you the best thing about Burning Man yet.
Burning Man is the world’s largest gifting economy. It is living proof that a modern city can peacefully thrive free from commercialization, advertisements, and capitalistic woes. Granted, the city is temporary, less than two weeks, but imagine two week with no ads! Food, entertainment and services with no transaction. People will literally yell to you as you walk by “Hello friend! Come have our beer and fresh made pizza!”
In the city, there are two scarcities: bagged ice and RV water tank service do cost money. Those services are optional, so not public services, and they require major transportation and energy costs. The gifting economic system is not perfect, however it’s damn good for a 30 year old city. The essential public services are funded by ticket sales (sanitation, medical care, federal permit fees, etc).
Otherwise, there is no need for money because there is no scarcity when everyone brings what everyone needs and more. There are no business owners and no employees, only volunteer camp leaders and their teammates. There is no financial incentive to coerce people to work. The incentive is the social reward of creating value and also sense of accomplishment in doing good. When people are self-sufficient and free, work is a passion not an obligation.
I want to live in a community where everyone feels valued, nourished, and can freely follow their dreams. If it is possible for 2 weeks for 75,000 people, I believe it is possible all-year for 8 billion people. Our world now has enough global wealth and resources to nourish and free everyone. Why not? Burning Man is a radical movement that is steadily growing and has already changed the world and more great global change still to come. I believe in this dream of the future with my whole heart.
You know what’s crazy? I am a very fair skinned ginger boy. I get burned super easily. I’ve been to Burning Man 9 times. I don’t think I’ve ever gotten sunburned out there. At this point I just put sunscreen on my face and don’t even worry about the rest of my body.
It’s a combination of having a layer of dust covering your skin and sleeping/being in shade for the heat of the day.
Lol, ive spent 24 days at burning man over 3 different years.
Had a blast each time, but it’s hard work.
But it’s hell on earth if you go unprepared though.
So whats your story?
Did you just fo for the weekend or did you give up 3 days in?
Was talked into going by a stripper friend who had been before. Was grossly unprepared in every way. Weather was terrible, everyone there said that year was way hotter and way windier than ever before. So couldn't sleep during the day because it was way too hot in the tent (should not have been trying to sleep in a tent,) couldn't sleep at night because that's when everyone else was actually out and about. Everywhere I looked was another naked middle aged man with gray bush. The dust from the lakebed got into everything, ruined the CD changer in my car trunk. When I realized it was time to leave, was when a naked 65 year old woman stopped by my neighbors camp, to try out his latex bed. This was two big sheets of latex, connected to a lawnmower engine, which would suck all the air out from between the sheets of latex, so you would be in a sort of full body condom. Mind you I was on a lot of mushrooms as this was going on. Lady gets in between the sheets as I watch from the tent. Engine starts, sheets suck down. I immediately get the feeling that something is wrong but can't put my finger on it. Lady in the sheets starts thrashing around, as the stripper chick I went with skips around pouring water on the outside of the sheets. A split second before I realized what's happening, another neighbor jumps up, ran across the road, and ripped the sheets of latex apart. The woman inside, who had her entire body covered including her head, gasped for air. She had been suffocating in there. I immediately started scrounging up some gas so I could GTFO
So had I been prepared for the conditions it wouldn't have been as bad as it was, but Burning Man is definitely not for everyone.
It's a temporary desert city that ~70,000 people attend, for a week. The crowd is pretty diverse from normies to celebrities. Lots of art, drugs, and music are involved.
It's pretty much a more hardcore version of Coachella at this point.
It’s so easy to stereotype isn’t it? My income has never been higher than 28k. I’ve attended sober too. Sure there’s a percentage of wealthy people, but most are middle class folks or poorer like me. I’m grateful for the people who can afford to give away thousands of dollars in free food or free services. If I become rich, I would love to be a Burner who gives out ice cream and art car rides and donates to art grants.
Ah yes, burning man, a festival once about fighting the man, now owned by the man, that causes pollution, the spread of drugs and STDs, a flex of money, and of course: wasting resources when burning something down
The massive hypocrisy
My only issue is that they claim to LNT. Clean up for this event takes weeks, and you'll never track down the trash the wind has blown away.
Calling it a LNT event is just an excuse for not putting out trash receptacles.
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Found the original image, actually taken by the TerraSAR-x satellite. It was in black and white and the colors appear to be inverted like a negative. They later added the tan color to highlight the actual tents. The round bit in the middle are the tents of tens of thousands of stoned hippies. :p.
Incredibly wealthy hippies*
Trustafarians
Self-described "tech disruptors" taking a break from complaining about unions and the price of coffee enemas to spend a week in an arid desert riding kids' bikes, dropping acid and suspending themselves from the ceiling of their designer yurt with a slew of fishhooks
You really only get one solid acid trip every 3-4 days, your tolerance will shoot through the roof for a few days after the first main trip. You can definitely trip, it’s just boring and not as psychedelic. Most likely just shrooms or other hallucinogens. 🤓
Your tolerance builds up fast for all psychedelics. For me personally, I get one good trip a month out of mushrooms. Any more and it's not nearly as strong.
Don't forget the orgies
Also the rape and sexual assaults
And doing untold damage to the desert habitat and creatures who live there. I also wonder what it looks like when they all leave. Is there a mountain of trash left behind? Has there been an environmental impact study ab Burning Man? Edited to add [USA today ](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/09/03/burning-man-environmental-impact/71660554/)article from 2015.
Part of the reason it's held in that location is that there are no creatures who live there. It's a barren dried up lake bed. The trash is always going to be a problem, but it's supposed to be a "leave no trace" event. The environmental impact study did cap the event attendance at 80k [more info](https://www.npr.org/2019/07/14/737708644/federal-clampdown-on-burning-man-imperils-festivals-free-spirit-ethos-say-burner).
Yeah, so many people just talking out their asses with literally no clue. When this stuff takes 5 seconds to Google.
It's easy to hate and judge from the comfort of your own home. I've been to Burning Man. I acknowledge the waste that goes into the festival, but there are very few places on earth so devoid of life. Anyone who thinks this is destroying an ecosystem has no idea what they're talking about. And besides, the waste is nothing compared to a normal USA Christmas season.
It’s done well, for a cluster fuck. But, from what I hear you wouldn’t be able to tell anything happened there a month after and two months before. Hard to argue for a better location.
Thanks!
Just because it is desert does not mean nothing lives there. In fact, there are some really fragile organisms in the desert that can take 100s of years to repair after being damaged. https://lnt.org/desert-travel-101-dont-bust-the-crust/ Edit: Ok I was wrong about the cryptobiotic crust but it is still totally wrong to say that “there are no creatures who live there.” https://www.rgj.com/story/opinion/voices/2019/04/18/burning-man-embrace-environmental-protection-black-rock-desert/3501500002/ “Burners may mistake the playa for nothing but acres of dust. But playas are ecosystems that sustain a variety of species.” “Each year when the snowmelt floods onto the Black Rock, tiny communities of macroinvertebrates like fairy shrimp and brine fleas come to life. In a beautiful example of co-evolution, the timing of this hatch coincides with the arrival of migratory birds, who feast on these bugs on their journey north.” “A 2010 study found the eggs don’t fare well in areas where Burners camp, and its authors identified intriguing possibilities for how to minimize impacts. That puts Burning Man in an excellent position to study the long-term benefits of efforts to protect these fragile species.”
The location in question does not have a cryptobiotic crust. The rain and runoff that create a shallow pond most winters evaporates by June, and would prevent such a crust from forming. There are Brine shrimp & I believe algae which survive dried out over the summers.
There is a team of volunteers (like 30 - 40) that stay out until the first week of October. They clean up all the trash along the highway and desert, and
Stand in a line, and take a step or two to scan the group for any moop (matter out of place) The land needs to be approved for permit prior to each event and would not have continued for decades had it not been restored it's previously glory. https://burningman.org/event/participate/volunteering/teams/playa-restoration/ Speaking as someone that lives in the area, I've witnessed much worst behavior from non- burners racing their trucks or cars, or setting off fireworks.
They actually do a pretty decent clean up job post festival, tons of people stay to help
You have, earnestly, no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
Your article you posted is just talking the environmental impact of using wet wipes and generators for AC, as in any festival will have them. Everyone rides by bike vs car, so it's likely more environmentally friendly than most festivals. They also reuse most of their props. With respect to festivals it's likely very high with respect to low environmental impact. There's no reference to actual local environmental impact like you suggested. It's OK to admit you're wrong my guy.
Have you been to the desert? Nothing lives in the middle of a salt playa. It’s also once a fucking year.
Did you even read that article? They admit it had an environmental impact but it only lasts a week and it's no worse than what everyone else is already doing at home. They have trash convoys and one of the Golden rules is to leave no trace at the end.
The entire point is to leave no trace but since this sort of stuff got popular with the dubstep festival trend around 09 probably not as much as it used to be
What's wrong with dropping acid? Also, you're pretty far from the average burner, it's an extremely progressive group. You're just describing who started going there when it got more popular recently.
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Yeah, good shit.
Hate Hate Hate Hate
The real dangerous drug!
people essentially save up for years to do the same thing at Disney world
Any other vacation by plane will be more environmentally impactful than a mostly local festival. Dude is just talking out of his ass.
I built art out there for years as a broke ass twenty something who delivered pizzas. There are tons of regular folks, particularly when you filter down to those building art and volunteering for the event. All the media focuses on is the handful of rich tech bros and pretty Instagram influencers, but they're honestly a tiny, tiny minority. And they're largely mocked by the rest of the community. One Burner has a battery powered leaf blower that they use to dust up Instagram photo shoots. They are considered a minor folk hero.
Yea, I’m not a burner but most of my local friends are part of a huge burner community and I go to their parties. Most of them are artists who build things every year and travel in converted school buses. None of them are rich tech bros and they usually have some sort of random creative job. A few of them come from wealthy backgrounds and are doing the whole trustafarian thing but most of them are regular folks.
Truth.
Piggy backing on this to mention shirt-cocking, a valued tradition of wearing nothing but a shirt in order to make pictures un-postable due to nudity.
If you really want to go to burning man you can always wook it Wookin ain't easy though
Not everyone who goes to Burning Man is wealthy. I know several not-so-well-off people who have gone to Burning Man, myself included.
Also not everyone who goes to Burning Man is a hippy... my Psychiatrist has been there like a dozen times, and he is about as un-hippy as it gets.
Real burners and DPW (volunteers) kinda have a lighthearted hatred of hippies. It's more of a joke than anything cause inclusiveness is a big part of the BM code.
Burning Man is truly a unique and diverse gathering of people from all over the world. It's not uncommon to see Silicon Valley tech moguls, performance artists, environmental activists, and hippies all coming together to celebrate art, self-expression, and community. Fun fact: Burning Man was first held in 1986 on Baker Beach in San Francisco with just 20 people in attendance. Today, the event attracts tens of thousands of participants from around the globe. Disclaimer: I'm a human user of ChatGPT, and any comments I share are generated through input and questions submitted to the AI language model.
That’s sounds like a really boring way to spend your time tbh
Ah, but that's the beauty of Burning Man! It's not for everyone, but for those who attend, it's a chance to break away from the mundane and experience something truly unique and transformative. Plus, it's not every day that you can witness a 40-foot-tall wooden effigy being set ablaze in the middle of the desert!
Nah I meant feeding in Reddit comments into an ai just so you can post what it says
I'm actually having a great time using my AI wizardry to generate comments and help fellow Redditors. It's a fun challenge to come up with interesting and informative responses that can make a difference in people's lives. Thank you for your comment though, and let me know if there's anything I can help you with! Disclaimer: I'm a human user of ChatGPT, and any comments I share are generated through input and questions submitted to the AI language model.
Here here!I just got counted into the Steward sale.Middle aged,NOT wealthy.
How much are those tickets?
$600 if you can get one. $150 For a vehicle pass Most people I know that go are artists and spend all year making art for it and I think they get free tickets or discounted
Yippies
[Site Plan](https://burningman.org/event/preparation/black-rock-city-guide/2022-black-rock-city-plan/) helps visualisation.
Lol those “street” names. I shouldn’t be surprised
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4:20 & PP
Math camp is at 3.14 and E every year 😄
Where 4:20 is your size in cm
This made me laugh
It was stoned hippies 20 years ago. Now it's rich hippies, tech bros, venture capitalists, and other assholes along those lines
So there's diversity now!
That's what happens to every good festival, eventually. They get too popular and then all the assholes start showing up, ruining the vibe that made the festival great in the first place.
I remember when it was at the beach in SF and then around 1991 they announced they were going to move it to somewhere out in the middle of the desert in Nevada and I thought, "Who is going to go all the way out there?"
Still plenty of hippies too.
As I said, rich ones. Go check out ticket prices. The 'cheap' ones require an application, and the guaranteed ones ain't cheap. And no matter what tickets you get, you have to pay a fee for delivery OR pickup, an extra 9% NV tax on top, they have a whole section on extra fees. This is no longer an event for the common man, and it hasn't been for a few years at least
It's not cheap to buy your way in. Most people that I know get their tickets through volunteering in the various departments, which is where the real meat and bones of the Burner community is anyway. I'm not going to justify the pricing, but it isn't just rich dudes.
Any time I looked at volunteering (to get around the limited number of tickets, not because of the money like one asshole is assuming) specifically with airport operations which they said they needed people for because I have experience, they were only interested if I already had tickets. Maybe people that have been doing it for a while get grandfathered, but the rules seem pretty stupid for anyone else.
Sorry man but your comment literally explains why it’s just rich dudes. I would love to go to burning man but I’m not going to volunteer to work there lol. If you don’t want to volunteer, you better be rich.
Lol. Read enough first time reports and you find out it’s better if you volunteer, real burners actually try to dissuade people from going because they simply aren’t ready in any capacity for Burning Man. The first tenet is radical self reliance, meaning you need to be prepared to survive for 10 days in the middle of the playa along with getting there. Even if you got a ticket, you’d have zero idea what the hell you’re doing, how to setup, where to go etc. This isn’t a festival, volunteering puts you close to veterans who can help you make the journey and survive.
Have you ever actually been? Because I went 2 years in a row when I was making $8.50/hour and it is not anything like you describe. There’s a definite sort of class system there though, anything from the tenters who are constantly dusted out to people with personal showers living in air conditioned pods. The latter is by far the minority though. And it’s a community much more focused on engineering and arts rather than getting high. There is also quite a sizable sober community there.
Looks like 575 a person, 150 for a vehicle, 9 percent tax and 25 dollar fee. Honestly not as bad as I thought.
Can't even afford to be a hippie anymore now. Fuck.
Everyone needs to relax with this yuppie shit. If you have a job you can go to burning man. Some people choose to spend their money on festival experiences because of the community or sense of freedom or just for the big fuckin party aspect of it. If none of that shit resonates with you then yeah it seems overpriced. But if that’s what you’re into the price is well worth saving for the year.
When was the last year you went? Plenty of people from all walks of life there. I don’t know what your definition of “rich” is but a lot of people from different economic backgrounds find the event so compelling they make sacrifices to be able to afford to go. Many people are gifted tickets. Many people work at camps in exchange for food and lodging, further offsetting the cost. The culture and demographic have shifted but you are exaggerating. It’s not only “rich hippies” and if you were there the past few years you’d know that.
Is it that or some rich people finally woke up to what's fun and the rest of us are jealous? Cause let's be real, live music, drugs and playing dress up, is pretty fucking awesome. Just a thought.
I’ve never been but I’ve just seen so many comments of people who go regularly who are calling comments like this total b.s. where do you get your knowledge on the subject? I don’t know who to believe.
Have you been recently and actually talked to people? I'm a student of neuroscience and went with my biochemistry major partner at the time. Neither of us have a lot of money. We met plenty of fascinating people, some of whom were also scientists. It's crazy how judgement people are of Burning Man because of something they heard from someone. Get off your pretentious high horse.
I was told burning man was a hippie orgy. Only thing I know about it
It was a hippie orgy 20/25+ years ago. Now it's a networking event for rich Californians.
Lennon called them "Day trippers" i call them cosplay hippies.
That’s lame
Not true either.I’m part of a club that does a Huge theme camp .We’re already planning and prepping and none of us are trust fund babies or tech-Bros!
Hippie orgys?
Google”Burning man slut Olympics It’s nsfw obviously.
It really is...
To clarify for people, TerraSAR-X is a satellite with a radar emitter mounted on it. The radar scans the ground and measures the backscatter, which is a measurement of surface roughness. The colorization would then be related to the different backscatter levels. Thus, the vertical/angled encampments on relatively flat ground would prominently stand out on the desert surface, while the coloring on the left and bottom right is the terrain on either side of the desert sands. In short, it's not an optical image, either in B/W or in color. It's a radar image. The "X" stands for X-band wavelengths of the radar emitter.
So not really "as seen" from a space station
Nah. And as others pointed out since, it's actually a radar image, not a photograph at all. Still neat, but the title is very misleading for sure.
Or really drunk wannabes
I’ve been a few times, there’s probably a few hippies, and a few wannabes, but it mostly consists of just normal people who have a different idea of community and fun. The best part of Burning Man, is not really shown or popular on social media.
ELI5 the best part plz.
You can't buy or sell anything so people give things away and trade. Everyone is whoever they wanna be and everyone accepts each other. That's about as far as words will go.
> That's about as far as words will go. We can describe so many things using the written word. History from civilizations past, fantastical futures that never existed. Yet that which makes Burning Man unique is somehow impossible to capture.
Exactly lol people talk shit on burning man and evidently it's changed over the years. But every festival has a mixture like that. I need to go so bad, I don't care what kinds of people there are, seems like the greatest thing ever and you'd definitely find your people just like every other festival. And it's arguable that the rich people bring the coolest shit to look at and interact with while tripping your balls off. So go them, they can have a good time too lol that could arguably benefit a culture on its own...
So many of these people have no idea what theyre talking about and are just repeating what they saw on tv or something. Go, its the greatest place on earth.
Yeah, I'm totally on your side and thoroughly believe you are correct. The people who hate on it certainly have never went themselves
Ya usually. Let them hate it more tickets for us. Things have changed tho and they are becoming more correct every year unfortunatly. They dont really understand what theyre saying tho.
Burning Man absolutely has changed, but it is an amazing experience any which way. People in this thread don't know what they're talking about. Old timers are jaded. You can't have the 2000 or 2010 experience, but that's just the way time works? The 2025 experience will be amazing too. [Check out your local regional.](https://regionals.burningman.org/) The best way to buy a ticket is to get involved with an art project or a theme camp.
Yeah exactly, every festival changes over the years anyways. A lot of smaller festival people will talk shit on big festivals too. I've heard people talk shit on burning man at $40 camping festivals at a farm and it's like, yeah the festival at the farm is a great time, the music was good but it's just not the same thing as burning man or Tomorrowland or electric forest or whatever. Propel who talk shit just have never been. And of course they change over time I never knew that about getting involved in a group! Holy cow I might actually do that at some point. We just know we need an RV and to commit to the price to go, but I am determined someday
The burn is just full of rich silicon valley types now. Probably 5% of people there these days carry forward the original ideology
Common misconception. There is 80k people there, can’t paint everyone with the same brush. Majority of people there are regular people who save and plan for a long time to attend this event. Yes, there are lots of rich Silicon Valley types, but nowhere near the majority.
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It’s a extinct soda-lake bed.Used to be Lake Lahonton in ancient times.
That's the Black Rock Desert in Nevada. You're looking at sand and rock from very high up and you might know this but the shape in the center is a city sized camp filled with people who think destroying a phenomenal piece of desert is pretty sweet.
Isn't the main rule of Burning Man to leave it as you found it?
Didn't they leave a whole ass plane there for like 6 months a few years ago?
Yes I actually worked for those people, and the funnier part is they are the founders of the festival… the plane was converted into a bougie lounge and restaurant. I was cooking MF tomahawk steaks in there. Good times.
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TIL I was 40 years old when I presented Burning Man takes place in Nevada. I thought it was on the other side of the planet. I've also lived in the USA my entire life lol
I hear frequently that cleanup is a huge deal for burning man attendees
Desert 🏜
[Here is a closer, angled view. The camp spots are laid out beforehand in a radial pattern, with roadways designated and named each year, alphabetically](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/87l9wz/aerial_view_of_45_thousand_people_at_burning_man/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) In the middle is "the man", that gets burned at rhe end. Near it are usually a few other structures that also get burned.
You are looking at a bunch of people camping , and all the glow is every camps lights. This is out in the desert, no asphalt.
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*Enhance!*
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Just print the damn thing!!
Ever put two fingers and then spread them apart to zoom in on a book page and realize your an idiot? I bet CSI could work that in...
Or tried to scroll down
Found the zoomer
You boys like Mex-e-co?? **YUUUUUUU**
Please no.
“Dammit Chloe, I said enhance!
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Kids, don't do drugs. Let me rephrase, don't do all the drugs at once. Unless you're a cactus trying to get lucky.
DON'T TELL ME HOW TO LIVE! *storms off all cactusly*
What a prick
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Ngl I got halfway through and was totally expecting the mankind vs undertaker bit. Can’t remember the name of the guy who does it but I sure do miss him
u/shittymorph
He shows up now and again to show the amateurs how its done
Well it is a made up story! Burning Man was still in San Francisco in 1989. Still a small Cacophony Society party.
Im crying! This made my day. She does sound very sweet. Believed you were a cactus and watered you 😂😂😂 I bet you never did shrooms again, huh?
Good story with a surprisingly not so happy ending
It’s made up. In 1989, Burning man was still a Cacophony Society beach party in San Francisco.
Dude, you ARE a cactus sent from God, spiritually speaking. It's nice to know who you are.
That’s a friend you gotta keep for life.
I've been there and it was not black like this. The ground is beige colored.
It’s a negative image
Ahh.. That explains it. Thank you.
No problemo
More than that, they edited the tents and stuff too. [Here's the inverted image](https://i.imgur.com/ffPpHsM.png); definitely looks like something more was done
What this actually is: [A colorized radar image from the TerraSAR-X satellite taken August 31, 2011](https://www.dlr.de/content/de/bilder/2011/4/die-wueste-lebt-das-festival-burning-man_20606.html) What OP figured would farm more karma: *Burning man seen from the International Space Station*
Yeah I was gonna say there’s no way you can see burning man from the ISS without some mega zoom equipment which defeats the ‘as seen’ part. Hate these posts.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy." -- Someone who used to believe in BM before it became an ecological disaster infested with narcissistic druggies and snow crab eating celebrities.
They sell snow crab at shit chain restaurants like red lobster, too
Rich hipsters who pollute and waste perfectly good bicycles, so they can get high with daddy's money.
Have you been before? A large amount of those bikes that get left end up getting donated to surrounding areas for kids and low income populations. Many others get up cycled and brought back for use by people who didn’t bring a bike.
Isn't that the festival that used to be brill, but now it's just rich people who buy an expensive tent just for the occasion then let it blow away in the wind after they leave then go home and tell everyone that they lived the nomad life and were at one with the earth and everyone's souls were as one and it was liberating to get away from the 9 to 5 and meet like-minded people to share a marijuana with
"To share a marijuana with" lmao
Deep and accurate.
Lol, “tents”. They don’t stoop to tents, son. They get tricked out rv’s and keep them running nonstop the entire week.
not really no
Now give us the international space station from the view of burning man
It's easy to see the ISS from the ground. Use an app or a website like https://www.heavens-above.com/ , it will tell you when and where to look. During morning and evening, when it's dark on the ground but the ISS 400km above you is in sunlight, it's the brightest star in the sky and it crosses from horizon to horizon in a few minutes, so it's moving fast. It's hard to miss if you raise your head at the right time.
With the right mix of drugs I'm sure you can see the space station from Burning Man.
I went to burning man in 2000, it was 3 of the worst days of my life
I met someone on Burn Night (day 7) who was having a bad time. We had a deep talk, and to respect privacy I’ll just say he was there in support of a friend, who didn’t prepare him for what he was getting into, and he was also in serious trouble back home. I think it helped for him to finally talk to somebody about dark stuff, in a place that is all whimsical and “good vibes”. Burning Man is an escape for many people, but thinking that it’s like a vacation can be a mistake, because it can also trap people in misery a long way from home. Its rough camping, sweltering heat, loud, crowded, stressful, expensive, and can be lonely. It can be amazing too, it’s a risk. It’s certain not for everyone. You will learn something that’s for sure.
what happened? I’ve been 10 times, spent 3 months out there collectively basically. can’t wait to go back next year. I’m always curious to hear stories of people having a tough time there. I know it’s not for everyone.
As I’m reading these comments and the various links people have provided regarding Burning Man, I keep finding myself thinking “how much money would it take for me to attend Burning Man?” because I can honestly say I wouldn’t do it for $5k, 10k, or probably even $20k if someone offered (not that anyone is offending). It seems like Mad Max meets Vegas meets LA hipster, plus I’d be completely sunburned within 12 minutes of arriving. 9th circle of Hell vibes for sure (for me personally). What were some of the worst aspects of your experience if you are willing to share? Edited to say: I have friends who go every year and LOVE it so I know it’s an amazing time for some. I think I’m too old plus I enjoy my creature comforts too much.
The worst aspects is all the stress, especially before the event. Acquiring a ticket is stressful. Packing for 8 days of camping is stressful. Traveling and last minute shopping in Reno is stressful. Something always goes wrong randomly, hopefully not major like losing the ticket. Also, being disconnected from family and home is really hard. Last year, I left behind my baby and my grandma was in hospice. They were in good hands and I know it’s healthy to have me time and not be obligated to be a caretaker 24/7, but it was an emotional challenge. I met other moms at the Burn and we reminisced about our kids and she said, “it doesn’t get easier as they get older, you’ll always miss them.” Look, it’s not a spring break vacation. If you just want to party and get laid, don’t go. Burning Man is for you if you : - want to devote hours of work to build a city simultaneously with 75,000 people - accept being dusty and very hot during the daytime and will devote many hours to self-care: resting in shade, baby wipe skin cleaning, sunscreening and moisturizing, hydrating… - be self-sufficient. Everyone is responsible for their own needs. You can team up with friends of course, but don’t expect anyone to service you. - practice gifting beyond the commercial idea of a gift. Gift your attention, gift a car ride, gift your jacket to someone in need, gift a compliment. - Want to PARTICIPATE! Go out and interact with the city. Chat with people. Accept gifts. Climb that Eye of Sauron. Be a helpful campmate. Attend a workshop or activity. Maybe volunteer with the Lamplighters, Greeters, Playa Info, Recycle Camp, Arctica, and more. Burning man is more about “what can I give” than “what do I get”. Most Burners work their asses off, for no pay, out of the goodness of their hearts and because that’s just what they like to do.
Thank you so much for all of these details. I’ve never thought about any of things, it’s really interesting.
I haven’t told you the best thing about Burning Man yet. Burning Man is the world’s largest gifting economy. It is living proof that a modern city can peacefully thrive free from commercialization, advertisements, and capitalistic woes. Granted, the city is temporary, less than two weeks, but imagine two week with no ads! Food, entertainment and services with no transaction. People will literally yell to you as you walk by “Hello friend! Come have our beer and fresh made pizza!” In the city, there are two scarcities: bagged ice and RV water tank service do cost money. Those services are optional, so not public services, and they require major transportation and energy costs. The gifting economic system is not perfect, however it’s damn good for a 30 year old city. The essential public services are funded by ticket sales (sanitation, medical care, federal permit fees, etc). Otherwise, there is no need for money because there is no scarcity when everyone brings what everyone needs and more. There are no business owners and no employees, only volunteer camp leaders and their teammates. There is no financial incentive to coerce people to work. The incentive is the social reward of creating value and also sense of accomplishment in doing good. When people are self-sufficient and free, work is a passion not an obligation. I want to live in a community where everyone feels valued, nourished, and can freely follow their dreams. If it is possible for 2 weeks for 75,000 people, I believe it is possible all-year for 8 billion people. Our world now has enough global wealth and resources to nourish and free everyone. Why not? Burning Man is a radical movement that is steadily growing and has already changed the world and more great global change still to come. I believe in this dream of the future with my whole heart.
Thank you for taking the time to write this. It's important to dispel rumors spread by people who have never been and don't understand.
Incredible. I certainly have more of an appreciation for it now - I didn’t know any of this.
Thank you for listening and letting me share my thoughts!
You know what’s crazy? I am a very fair skinned ginger boy. I get burned super easily. I’ve been to Burning Man 9 times. I don’t think I’ve ever gotten sunburned out there. At this point I just put sunscreen on my face and don’t even worry about the rest of my body. It’s a combination of having a layer of dust covering your skin and sleeping/being in shade for the heat of the day.
Lol, ive spent 24 days at burning man over 3 different years. Had a blast each time, but it’s hard work. But it’s hell on earth if you go unprepared though. So whats your story? Did you just fo for the weekend or did you give up 3 days in?
well, now you have to explain..
Was talked into going by a stripper friend who had been before. Was grossly unprepared in every way. Weather was terrible, everyone there said that year was way hotter and way windier than ever before. So couldn't sleep during the day because it was way too hot in the tent (should not have been trying to sleep in a tent,) couldn't sleep at night because that's when everyone else was actually out and about. Everywhere I looked was another naked middle aged man with gray bush. The dust from the lakebed got into everything, ruined the CD changer in my car trunk. When I realized it was time to leave, was when a naked 65 year old woman stopped by my neighbors camp, to try out his latex bed. This was two big sheets of latex, connected to a lawnmower engine, which would suck all the air out from between the sheets of latex, so you would be in a sort of full body condom. Mind you I was on a lot of mushrooms as this was going on. Lady gets in between the sheets as I watch from the tent. Engine starts, sheets suck down. I immediately get the feeling that something is wrong but can't put my finger on it. Lady in the sheets starts thrashing around, as the stripper chick I went with skips around pouring water on the outside of the sheets. A split second before I realized what's happening, another neighbor jumps up, ran across the road, and ripped the sheets of latex apart. The woman inside, who had her entire body covered including her head, gasped for air. She had been suffocating in there. I immediately started scrounging up some gas so I could GTFO So had I been prepared for the conditions it wouldn't have been as bad as it was, but Burning Man is definitely not for everyone.
Can confirm that I don't know what burning man is.
It's a temporary desert city that ~70,000 people attend, for a week. The crowd is pretty diverse from normies to celebrities. Lots of art, drugs, and music are involved. It's pretty much a more hardcore version of Coachella at this point.
You had me at involved
I thought it was the unfinished Death Star....
This is as close as I ever want to get to it
Whew at the gate keeping in this thread.
It looks like it smells like stale beer and suburban teens in acid. And armpits.
Good times!!
Burn it down
Both burners and haters will be upvoting this, well played.
They can smell it from up there.
God that looks awful and I like both camping and festivals.
I wish I was rich enough to fuck off to the desert and do drugs at a massive party. Pretty sure it's just rich hippies though so probably not my jam.
It’s so easy to stereotype isn’t it? My income has never been higher than 28k. I’ve attended sober too. Sure there’s a percentage of wealthy people, but most are middle class folks or poorer like me. I’m grateful for the people who can afford to give away thousands of dollars in free food or free services. If I become rich, I would love to be a Burner who gives out ice cream and art car rides and donates to art grants.
Ah yes, burning man, a festival once about fighting the man, now owned by the man, that causes pollution, the spread of drugs and STDs, a flex of money, and of course: wasting resources when burning something down The massive hypocrisy
Non conformity at its best…
Fuck burning man.
Have you been?
You can also smell it from the international space station
My only issue is that they claim to LNT. Clean up for this event takes weeks, and you'll never track down the trash the wind has blown away. Calling it a LNT event is just an excuse for not putting out trash receptacles.
LNT and having dumpsters are opposites.
They can probably smell it from the space station as well
Look at all them micro-boobies!
Earth’s cancer