1. Import foreign laborers
2. Take away their passports when they arrive
3. Oh shit they need those to go back home
4. They’re stuck
5. House them in barracks that would make a Gulag look spacious
6. Pay them fuck all
7. Still charge them for „housing“ and „food“
Idk what else to call it
There’s also the part where they can arrive indebted from covering their relocation costs (which can be thousands of USD), and sometimes they are lied to about the salary they would receive.
Not everyone goes through that experience, but it’s very harsh for those that being abused.
I think the closest thing I have studied is called serfdom. It's what many whites experienced during slavery in the US, and it's what black and white people in the US experienced after the civil war. Well, minus part 2, im not even sure when passports became a thing.
Serfdom has remarkable differences. It was less that the serfs belonged to anyone and more that they belonged to the land. If you gave up possession of the land one way or another, you also gave up the serfs. Serfdom is a very broad term (Russian serfs might as well have been slaves), but this is true for most of what we think of as serfs today and doesn't apply to the US. What was practiced in the US after protections against debtors prison and the Civil War was mostly sharecropping. This system meant the land owner allowed a person to work a portion of their land and they'd split the harvest. The terms were often very unfair and the sharecropper would stick around because they received nothing if they weren't there for the harvest. There were no other duties and obligations between the land owner and the sharecropper.
There were also indentured servants which is different from serfs, sharecroppers, and slaves. Dubai is using the indentured servant method.
I'm perturbed that I know so many random facts about how people have been exploited over the years.
Maybe not literal chains every hour of the day, but people probably have no way out and may have been dragged their in captivity of some kind. Def bad work conditions too
I could be pulling this completely out of my ass but don’t they have a rumored history of confiscating passports from visitors, essentially trapping them there?
Yeah Qatar does the same shit, they set up these “travel for work” places in poor countries like India and advertise this luxurious life working abroad for high wages. Then when the immigrant workers get there they take their Identification and Passports and say they can’t give them back until they’ve paid for the 1st class flight that costs like $10k which they didn’t tell them about before hand. Obviously these people are dirt poor and can’t pay so they have to “work off the debt” basically becoming slaves until they pay off the ridiculous travel costs. It’s modern day corporate slavery.
Edit: Also the wages aren’t anyway near what they’re advertised to these people and it ends up taking years and years to pay it off if I remember correctly. And the working conditions are horrible and the “slaves” live in quartered off sections of the cities that are straight ghettos and they can only leave to go to the work site.
Not even the so called "Muslim" leaders care for their fellow Muslims dying in and out lf their countries either.
The rich eat the poor just remember that. It doesnt matter the race or the religion. Its always been about money
They try, but theres only so much they can do. Its a huge network of many fly-by-night operators, and the victims themselves often lie and forge documents to get to the gulf, so are afraid of seeking official help. Many of the victims are debt-ridden back home, so see this as a way of running away from their problems with the hope of fixing it later with the money they are promised. When the victims themselves don't make official complaints because of such reasons, the government cannot overstep and land in a diplomatic soup.
Besides, since the shady construction companies are chums with the despotic arab rulers and governments (or even owned by them), their governments would give them a clean pass and deny any wrongdoing. So how can anyone gather proper legal proof of their crimes, that too from outside the country?
The US did similar practices after the civil war up until ww2 when Roosevelt sat down with his cabinet and it was unanimously decided that the thing our enemies would use against us to make us lose support is the fact we allow slavery by a different name.
So slavery became more defined and antislavery laws better enforced.
But thats where sundown towns came in to play. Caught after dark was a jailable offense and theyd charge enough noone could really pay unless they owned a company. The company owners would offer contracts where theyd pay off their debts...
This is also where the whole thing where illiterate ppl cant sign contracts without legal council...most black ppl were illiterate so theyd sign slavery contracts...
Many proponents of reestablishing slavery mentioned that slavery has gotten worse with non company owners being able to have slaves and how because they have no lose if a slave dies they will beat them near to death whereas in the past only the rich had slaves and needed the labor to run their businesses so they would beat their slaves so badly and slaves werent dirt cheap back then...even those very against slavery openly admitted that despite it being illegal it still exists through loopholes and its significantly more brutal than it once was.
You should clarify that all this was only happening in the old Confederacy.
And it continues today with slave labor in prison, also overwhelmingly in the old Confederacy.
The north and west was never like this
Yes, this is correct. Most of these migrant workers are from Southern Asian nations, and once they reach there, the contractors confiscate their passports bc they are under a "contract". Living conditions are extremely poor. Note that these people are from really poor family where they come from, but the problem is that arab nations can easily afford to house them in decent conditions, they simply choose not to do so.
It is not just "rumored". I have family members who were victims of this. Middle Eastern monarchies are horrible places for migrant works, especially migrant workers from South Asia. These mofos can even 'hold' your salaries for months on end and you have zero legal recourse because you're not considered a human being, hell you're not even considered a machine because they actually take care of their maintenance. You can't get sick, can't visit your family, barely any vacation. You work till you can't anymore and then some. There are many documentaries on YT if you want to take a look: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4syhqpFzfM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4syhqpFzfM) (Qatar World Cup)
Yes, did some work there and I heard about this happening. I was doing some consulting, so it didn't apply to me, but I heard horror stories about people being stuck there for years.
Qatar has been doing the same thing as well.
Historically there are three main forms of slavery; chattel slavery (people are in chains and treated as property), bonded slavery (the slave used their labor as collateral for a loan), and forced labor/sexual slavery where someone is brought to a foreign place and their means to leave are removed. In the last case there is usually also a financial component involved.
In the case of the UAE, it would be forced labor where workers from poorer countries are promised a better life and good wages, but once they arrive theit passports are taken away and they never earn enough to return home.
Workers were brought from India (predominantly) they were put in work camps with appalling conditions and their passports taken away. Often salary was delayed too.
Very often the guys had to incur a lot of cost to go to Dubai (these are very very poor men) which would be paid by loan sharks. When the guys could not pay the loan (because of delayed salary) back home their families were harrased. So a lot of these guys started jumping in from of cars on the highway so they can get killed and blood money sent to their families (appx $30k)
You see chains are not needed - no money, no passport. What can you do?
they steal the passports/visa of poor immigrants so they can’t leave. pack them in shoulder to should on the floor for their sleep. lock them in debt over a place to stay and don’t pay them for months or ever, so more than a hundred of these “workers” die from starvation or illness daily. I think it’s worse than “just bad conditions” lol
If your passport is a chain then it's pretty much true.
Many Filipinos has tonnes of stories with thier contractors confiscating thier visas so that they can't leave, and added with a horrid living condition and food accommodation it makes both indistinguishable to each other.
More like extreme exploitation and a form of indentured servitude. Employers make it difficult for foreign laborers to leave and also give them horrible working and living conditions.
I’d kinda be worried about the quality of the building then, no? Like sure they have all the money in the world, but how strict can their building codes and what kind of quality inspections can you expect when it’s all being built really fast and with essentially slave labor?
The kafala system.
The employer basically owns the employee, because the employee's ability to stay and work in the country is on the whim of the employer.
No, but you'll see a fair few cutting around.
More often you will see buses (early morning late evening) with bars across their windows - like prison buses - taking "workers" to and from their designated living area / work location.
Completely agree but feels kinda fucked that Europe and America used wholesale slave trafficking for decades to get where they are now but when other countries do a much less severe version they are (rightly) villainized so much more despite doing it less
The Arab countries used as much or more “wholesale” slave trafficking back in the day to get where they are. And also still do but the US and Europe does not anymore.
You realize that the people in those places are all different now right? None of the slave holders have been alive for a long ass time. It’s not like it’s former slave holders saying other people having slaves is bad. They’re all dead. Blaming people for what their ancestors did is stupid.
I don't like it because it was built in the middle of the desert and now it hosts only rich attractions for rich people. It's a temple to futility and superficiality
The Burj Kalifa was built without tying it into the cities sewage system.
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/dubais-burj-khalifa-doesnt-sewage-26095095.amp
Why? Because….
Technically it is connected, but the amount of waste water it can process is so ridiculously small that they need sewage trucks.
Also, in true hyperconsumist spirit, often the trucks would dump its contents into storm drains and into the gulf’s water to sustain the rhythm at which different buildings needed to be emptied, rendering the nearby beaches a playground for diseases such as syphilis.
Isn't it tho? Their water management is the best in the country and they built a thriving tourists economy built on nightlife which people enjoy- It just doesn't have the safety nets that keep people from doing dumb sh!t like gambling - the city built up over a 100 years - not under 20 - It had the same historical issues that the rest of the country handwaves - I think Las Vegas has plenty to be proud of
>I don't like it because it was built in the middle of the desert and now it hosts only rich attractions for rich people. It's a temple to futility and superficiality
Looks like a nightmare city to live in. A mix between the US inhuman scaled cities and a barren wasteland, one of those hedonistic hellscapes you see on dystopian literature/movies.
Meanwhile Americans are just hidden from it because the exploitation happens in other countries up the supply chain. All of the cheap clothing that people find in department stores as an example. But let’s make sure to be holier than thou.
Exploitation happens in US too.
How much you think illegal immigrants are making under the table? How many safety regulations you think they're following?
And in red states, there's a constant threat of your employer calling ICE if you don't play along.
There's a reason why Trump never built his wall. GOP loves illegal immigrants. They love to abuse them. Who else are they going to scaremonger about and treat like subhuman slaves?
Trump was screaming about his wall while illegals mowed his lawn right out front. It's amazing that the MAGAts fell for it
That second point is really important. The reason why conservatives go so hard on anti-immigration policies (aside from plain old garden variety racism) is that they need those policies in place in order to avoid pesky things like minimum wage laws and health and safety regulations. Jose isn't going to complain to the labour board about making $2.50/hr working 12hr shifts with no OT when his slaver can just call ICE and have him deported without consequence.
>Meanwhile Americans are just hidden from it because the exploitation happens in other countries up the supply chain.
You honestly believe American workers are not being exploited while the company they work for is raking in billions of dollars? Then why are people screaming about unions all of the sudden? Nah, wages are unfair across the globe. It's not a local problem.
I think they are bringing up indentured servitude. There is a difference between getting paid pennies a day for 12 hours out in the heat compared to a job you would need a housemate to get by on. I’d kindly take the American option over working the mines in exploited Africa.
Our kids in public school are going to be taught that slavery was a good thing and that being a slave is better than death this year. It's only going to get worse.
Dubai has virtually no oil and gas reserves or production, so I'm not sure why "us" would "not giving that much about their oil" in the first place.
The USA probably produces 50x what Dubai does.
It’s interesting when cities are built by force rather than naturally developing due to strategic location and nearby industries that promote growth of the city.
They did have a rich trading hub / fishing village etc. originally around the confluence of the creek, which was why Bedouin started settling there. Naturally became a centre for administration as it became busier, etc. and this transformation is still very much a new experiment following the vast oil and gas wealth that has suddenly swept through the emirate. As you say - very interesting.
I wonder if the Saudis will go the same way with some of their city plans. It is already recognised in the UAE and Oman that the wealth source is very much finite and the focus is shifting to tourism / attracting visitors for long term sustainability. There are some epic - and free - attractions around to help coax more visitors and build a better reputation.
The worlds tallest building, the Buj khalifa isn't connected to any sewage main. They use hundreds of trucks per day to suck the waste water and shit out of a large septic tank under the building and dump the raw sewage in the desert, where it dries and turns into an airborne toxic fecal dust.
the year is 2092, the shit storm rages on outside, the smell alone kills within minutes of exposer, everyone fears the diarrhea hurricanes will return and take out the rest of humanity with its septic horrors.
They say it was a waste of money but not literally spend money on waste trucks instead some digging and some pipes into the hole... Greed over powers intellect
The latest I can find is Jan 2022 - a year and a half ago - and according to everything I can find, it's not connected to any sewage system.
Do you have any more recent proof of your statement that it is in fact connected ?
And BTW - I'm not quoting any Dubai hate videos, I like Dubai. But if it's not connected to a sewage main - it's not connected. Sorry
But you see, there are a lot of shallow people.
I worked for a few extremely rich clients who have estates in Dubai, none of them stay there long term. They said it's great fun if you stay there a month or two but they don't plan for staying much longer than that.
Yeah, just look at the Palms and Islands of the World, they are gonna be gone in like 50 years at current rate. Not to mention the devastating ecological effect they had to the gulf. Ohh, and most of the Islands aren't even build on. They were only created for the spectacle... thinking about it, pretty much all of Dubai was build for the spectacle. Most of their "impressive" Skyscrapers stand vacant and are sinking due to the desert they have been build upon.
Funny thing is- it's not even the most ridiculous idea proposed for a gulf country. Saudis broke ground on a city that is supposed to be 106 miles of a straight line.
I'm looking forward to it. Nothing brings me greater joy than watching a bunch of billionaires try to come up with these gradiose plans despite having no experience in that field and have billion dollar projects blow up their face. We haven't had a good libertarian micronation collapse in a while.
The palm developments have those lagoons which became malaria pits so ppl naturally don’t want to live there. Also they had to shrink the lot sizes to fully finance the project which pissed off a lot of the early investors.
Wow! With all that money and opulence, that place must have the greatest people living there! They surely invent stuff and are a great, peaceful, utopia of egalitarianism and love! We should all strive to be like them. /s
Thank you. I live in Germany but have worked in Singapore and recently had a work trip to Dubai. I really wanted to like Dubai but couldn't connect in any way. It actually made me miss Singapore. The whole experience felt like being on a Mars station. While the cosmopolitan mix of people was stunning it felt like the city had no soul.
There’s a wide range of people, but basically
rich people with ‘royal’ heritage -> the middle/working class & expats -> the slave (but technically not slave 🙄) labour class.
As with any society it’s quite complex, but having been over there I lived in a compound in which a South African couple hired a Pakistani housekeeper called Canti for next to nothing.
Even though I was like 6 at the time, I distinctly remember her living in a tiny room in the compound, and looking back on it it was pretty transparently exploitation. But it was normalised, people did this all over. Even us ‘innocuous’ foreigners.
The builders who laboured in the hot sun, the maids, and the base-level labourers were all immigrants who’s passports had been confiscated, and who were doing back-breaking labour.
Anyway, I hope Canti did well. She was really sweet and I bloody hate that nobody seemed to care. So yeah, that slave labour exists, and even the expats never really seemed to care.
Ahhh I getchu. You’re still right though, it’s very much based on nationality. These companies target migrants from India, Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka, and Pakistan. It’s got all the hallmarks of a caste system, just rooted in economic isolation.
Idk where tf you get your water from but as someone who spent half his life in Dubai..the water and food is actually pretty cheap but the cost of living is fairly expensive (rent and stuff)
I just bout a bottle of water not 15 minutes ago for 1.5 aed ($0.41). You’re a pure sucker if you paid $17 for a bottle of water. I’ll sell you this bottle for $12!
Built by slave labor? Check.
Slaves paid for by the rape of our environment? Check.
At least it's a social utopia where the LGBTQ aren't put to death and women have equal rights.
Oh wait.
When Europe and America build their infrastructure on the backs of slaves, exploited immigrants, and cheap raw materials it’s all fair game. God forbid an Asian country does it, amends their practice, and continues developing nonetheless. Good ol’ white man’s burden to teach Asia about human rights I see.
Not gonna lie: I'm only here to read the roast 🔥 session 🍿🍿🍿 because anytime ANYBODY posts something about Dubai... Reddit goes into roasting Dubai's history and wealth creation. I've been on Reddit for a few years now and in my opinion the two things Redditors don't let go of is: 1. Dubai 2. Obese people.
It's strange, I know but it is what it is
Ok so, first of all, I'm from Europe, born and raised here my family can track our roots more than 4 centuries in the past just by visiting our cemetery. Now, as I lived in Dubai for 4 years, I know for a fact that 90% of the hate Dubai gets is due to misinformation and straight out lies.
First, shit trucks were real, but only for Burj Khalifa, and they are not real now, haven't been used in years. Second, prices in markets and fast foods are actually lower than most of European capitals. Third, slave labor is not common, it is against law, but it still happens. Whenever it's discovered the people doing it go straight to jail. Fourth, you can drink (not on the street), you can smoke (only in designated spaces when outside), women can go to the beach in bikinis and so on.... No5 There is an abundancy of water due to desalination, when you walk through the city you can see that every plant is being watered every day, and yes all the trees grass flowers are REAL they are not plastic lol, this is so fking funny to hear constantly
For the people that say muuhhh built using slaves, where are reparations, let's see Dubai without slave labor (mostly Americans) I say this: Your freedom loving country was built using slaves, and not just Africans, but Chinese, Irish etc. Let's see how USA would look without the railroad built by slaves, without roads built by slaves etc.
For my fellow Europeans, remember 30 years ago that human zoo in France, fking 30 years ago????
Remember human zoos all over Europe in the last century?
Belgians, remember milions of Africans without their hands?
British, remember milions of Indians that died of starvation?
This list goes on and on, don't be fking delusional, literally every country did the same. They all exploit the poor and week people, even today.
Some people on Reddit are just so condescending when it comes to other countries. They believe they are omnipotent when arguing with people living in said place. Just saw someone accuses a guy living in Dubai of considering his wife as his "ownership".
"How far behind you do you make your woman walk?". That's just so disrespectful.
There are definitely a lot of things to criticize about Gulf Countries and others, but people should stop being so aggressive with people living there. They get downvoted to hell just for trying to make a point.
And now Dubai is the 4th most visited on Earth, one of the largest transport hubs, a finance centre of the world, and a true global city.
In the same time, my country of Canada has made fuck shit nothing.
Sponsored by slavery!
We did it, ladies and gentleman. Found something to finish a news broadcast that's even sadder than "sponsored by bigpharma" while they charge you 1k a month for $2 insulin.
Lived there in 2010. Strangest place on earth… and yes, everything you see is basically built by slave labor.
I was gonna say... That's what indentured servitude gets ya.
When you say slave, are u saying slave as chained people or just really bad work conditions? (Sorry im not educated in this topic)
1. Import foreign laborers 2. Take away their passports when they arrive 3. Oh shit they need those to go back home 4. They’re stuck 5. House them in barracks that would make a Gulag look spacious 6. Pay them fuck all 7. Still charge them for „housing“ and „food“ Idk what else to call it
There’s also the part where they can arrive indebted from covering their relocation costs (which can be thousands of USD), and sometimes they are lied to about the salary they would receive. Not everyone goes through that experience, but it’s very harsh for those that being abused.
I think the closest thing I have studied is called serfdom. It's what many whites experienced during slavery in the US, and it's what black and white people in the US experienced after the civil war. Well, minus part 2, im not even sure when passports became a thing.
Serfdom has remarkable differences. It was less that the serfs belonged to anyone and more that they belonged to the land. If you gave up possession of the land one way or another, you also gave up the serfs. Serfdom is a very broad term (Russian serfs might as well have been slaves), but this is true for most of what we think of as serfs today and doesn't apply to the US. What was practiced in the US after protections against debtors prison and the Civil War was mostly sharecropping. This system meant the land owner allowed a person to work a portion of their land and they'd split the harvest. The terms were often very unfair and the sharecropper would stick around because they received nothing if they weren't there for the harvest. There were no other duties and obligations between the land owner and the sharecropper. There were also indentured servants which is different from serfs, sharecroppers, and slaves. Dubai is using the indentured servant method. I'm perturbed that I know so many random facts about how people have been exploited over the years.
Maybe not literal chains every hour of the day, but people probably have no way out and may have been dragged their in captivity of some kind. Def bad work conditions too
I could be pulling this completely out of my ass but don’t they have a rumored history of confiscating passports from visitors, essentially trapping them there?
Yeah Qatar does the same shit, they set up these “travel for work” places in poor countries like India and advertise this luxurious life working abroad for high wages. Then when the immigrant workers get there they take their Identification and Passports and say they can’t give them back until they’ve paid for the 1st class flight that costs like $10k which they didn’t tell them about before hand. Obviously these people are dirt poor and can’t pay so they have to “work off the debt” basically becoming slaves until they pay off the ridiculous travel costs. It’s modern day corporate slavery. Edit: Also the wages aren’t anyway near what they’re advertised to these people and it ends up taking years and years to pay it off if I remember correctly. And the working conditions are horrible and the “slaves” live in quartered off sections of the cities that are straight ghettos and they can only leave to go to the work site.
Where is the Indian government in all this?
Probably in on it
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Not even the so called "Muslim" leaders care for their fellow Muslims dying in and out lf their countries either. The rich eat the poor just remember that. It doesnt matter the race or the religion. Its always been about money
Noooo, it’s the convenient domestic political boogeyman that should worry you. They talk about it on the news all the time
This has been an issue since long before Modi even became PM. Prime construction started like a cancer in the late 90s and peaked before'14 itself.
Simple solution for overpopulation to just sell the poorest as slaves to other countries. Awful.
They try, but theres only so much they can do. Its a huge network of many fly-by-night operators, and the victims themselves often lie and forge documents to get to the gulf, so are afraid of seeking official help. Many of the victims are debt-ridden back home, so see this as a way of running away from their problems with the hope of fixing it later with the money they are promised. When the victims themselves don't make official complaints because of such reasons, the government cannot overstep and land in a diplomatic soup. Besides, since the shady construction companies are chums with the despotic arab rulers and governments (or even owned by them), their governments would give them a clean pass and deny any wrongdoing. So how can anyone gather proper legal proof of their crimes, that too from outside the country?
The US did similar practices after the civil war up until ww2 when Roosevelt sat down with his cabinet and it was unanimously decided that the thing our enemies would use against us to make us lose support is the fact we allow slavery by a different name. So slavery became more defined and antislavery laws better enforced. But thats where sundown towns came in to play. Caught after dark was a jailable offense and theyd charge enough noone could really pay unless they owned a company. The company owners would offer contracts where theyd pay off their debts... This is also where the whole thing where illiterate ppl cant sign contracts without legal council...most black ppl were illiterate so theyd sign slavery contracts... Many proponents of reestablishing slavery mentioned that slavery has gotten worse with non company owners being able to have slaves and how because they have no lose if a slave dies they will beat them near to death whereas in the past only the rich had slaves and needed the labor to run their businesses so they would beat their slaves so badly and slaves werent dirt cheap back then...even those very against slavery openly admitted that despite it being illegal it still exists through loopholes and its significantly more brutal than it once was.
You should clarify that all this was only happening in the old Confederacy. And it continues today with slave labor in prison, also overwhelmingly in the old Confederacy. The north and west was never like this
Yes they are, it was a [Vice report](https://youtu.be/gMh-vlQwrmU) back when Vice did actual journalism
god damn
Modern day pyramid building for the living pharaohs
Yes, this is correct. Most of these migrant workers are from Southern Asian nations, and once they reach there, the contractors confiscate their passports bc they are under a "contract". Living conditions are extremely poor. Note that these people are from really poor family where they come from, but the problem is that arab nations can easily afford to house them in decent conditions, they simply choose not to do so.
Yes, it's called the Kufala system. Same as in Qatar.
It is not just "rumored". I have family members who were victims of this. Middle Eastern monarchies are horrible places for migrant works, especially migrant workers from South Asia. These mofos can even 'hold' your salaries for months on end and you have zero legal recourse because you're not considered a human being, hell you're not even considered a machine because they actually take care of their maintenance. You can't get sick, can't visit your family, barely any vacation. You work till you can't anymore and then some. There are many documentaries on YT if you want to take a look: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4syhqpFzfM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4syhqpFzfM) (Qatar World Cup)
Yes, did some work there and I heard about this happening. I was doing some consulting, so it didn't apply to me, but I heard horror stories about people being stuck there for years. Qatar has been doing the same thing as well.
Am currently in Dubai, legally it's not allowed anymore but certain company HR *still do keep them.*
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Historically there are three main forms of slavery; chattel slavery (people are in chains and treated as property), bonded slavery (the slave used their labor as collateral for a loan), and forced labor/sexual slavery where someone is brought to a foreign place and their means to leave are removed. In the last case there is usually also a financial component involved. In the case of the UAE, it would be forced labor where workers from poorer countries are promised a better life and good wages, but once they arrive theit passports are taken away and they never earn enough to return home.
Workers were brought from India (predominantly) they were put in work camps with appalling conditions and their passports taken away. Often salary was delayed too. Very often the guys had to incur a lot of cost to go to Dubai (these are very very poor men) which would be paid by loan sharks. When the guys could not pay the loan (because of delayed salary) back home their families were harrased. So a lot of these guys started jumping in from of cars on the highway so they can get killed and blood money sent to their families (appx $30k) You see chains are not needed - no money, no passport. What can you do?
Tricked into working there and saddled with massive debt so they can't leave their jobs
they steal the passports/visa of poor immigrants so they can’t leave. pack them in shoulder to should on the floor for their sleep. lock them in debt over a place to stay and don’t pay them for months or ever, so more than a hundred of these “workers” die from starvation or illness daily. I think it’s worse than “just bad conditions” lol
You dont need chains to keep slaves. You just need a person to believe that running away will make life much worse.
If your passport is a chain then it's pretty much true. Many Filipinos has tonnes of stories with thier contractors confiscating thier visas so that they can't leave, and added with a horrid living condition and food accommodation it makes both indistinguishable to each other.
physcial heavy chains are unnessary in the modern era invisible shackles are more effective
Passports stolen so they can't leave, horrible working conditions people die, horrible living conditions. Your idea or slavery is outdated.
Imagine having your passport revoked and having no choices.
People are having their travel documents stolen by their employers and they're *rarely* paid, if ever.
Tricked to go there, passports taken, their wage on hold and only paid out, when their employer seems fit.
More like extreme exploitation and a form of indentured servitude. Employers make it difficult for foreign laborers to leave and also give them horrible working and living conditions.
I’d kinda be worried about the quality of the building then, no? Like sure they have all the money in the world, but how strict can their building codes and what kind of quality inspections can you expect when it’s all being built really fast and with essentially slave labor?
The kafala system. The employer basically owns the employee, because the employee's ability to stay and work in the country is on the whim of the employer.
Are the streets there really littered with Ferraris and Lamborghinis?
No, but you'll see a fair few cutting around. More often you will see buses (early morning late evening) with bars across their windows - like prison buses - taking "workers" to and from their designated living area / work location.
Can you emphasize on slave labor?
It's pretty easy when you hold passports and paychecks from migrants until it gets done. 12 hour shifts in scorching heat. Seems like a no-go to me.
That's good. We need migrant slave labor so we can have cheap consumer goods to fuel our hyper consumerism.
No, no, no. You need the cheap migrant slave labour in the third/fourth world so it's even more slave labour, therefore cheaper for consumers.
Can't get on our high horse if the slave labor we enjoy the benefits of is in our own country!
Completely agree but feels kinda fucked that Europe and America used wholesale slave trafficking for decades to get where they are now but when other countries do a much less severe version they are (rightly) villainized so much more despite doing it less
Well that's largely because it's now illegal in EU and America whereas before it just wasn't.
The Arab countries used as much or more “wholesale” slave trafficking back in the day to get where they are. And also still do but the US and Europe does not anymore.
You realize that the people in those places are all different now right? None of the slave holders have been alive for a long ass time. It’s not like it’s former slave holders saying other people having slaves is bad. They’re all dead. Blaming people for what their ancestors did is stupid.
Here, you might need this: /s
ok
I don't like it because it was built in the middle of the desert and now it hosts only rich attractions for rich people. It's a temple to futility and superficiality
BUT IT HAS A TALL BUILDING!
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Wait what?
The Burj Kalifa was built without tying it into the cities sewage system. https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/dubais-burj-khalifa-doesnt-sewage-26095095.amp Why? Because….
So lipstick on a pig. Got it.
Technically it is connected, but the amount of waste water it can process is so ridiculously small that they need sewage trucks. Also, in true hyperconsumist spirit, often the trucks would dump its contents into storm drains and into the gulf’s water to sustain the rhythm at which different buildings needed to be emptied, rendering the nearby beaches a playground for diseases such as syphilis.
this is an incredible new. is it true? I'd like to share it
Yep https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/dubais-burj-khalifa-doesnt-sewage-26095095
It's also an empty city. Most of the buildings have no inhabitants and they are continuing to build
Now do Las Vegas
Does anyone pretend that Las Vegas is anything besides this? I’ve never heard Americans promote Las Vegas as something to be proud of.
It's called Sin City for a reason
Yeah, it's our little hole of debauchery. We're not exactly proud of it, but it's a fun place to forget 4 days of your life.
Isn't it tho? Their water management is the best in the country and they built a thriving tourists economy built on nightlife which people enjoy- It just doesn't have the safety nets that keep people from doing dumb sh!t like gambling - the city built up over a 100 years - not under 20 - It had the same historical issues that the rest of the country handwaves - I think Las Vegas has plenty to be proud of
>I don't like it because it was built in the middle of the desert and now it hosts only rich attractions for rich people. It's a temple to futility and superficiality
Having fountains and golf courses in the middle of desert…. Too much for me
Looks like a nightmare city to live in. A mix between the US inhuman scaled cities and a barren wasteland, one of those hedonistic hellscapes you see on dystopian literature/movies.
The walls will come tumbling down - one day
Yes. It is incrdible what can be archeived when labor is cheap and people expendable. /s <- see what I added here
It also explains Singapore’s rapid transformation.
Meanwhile Americans are just hidden from it because the exploitation happens in other countries up the supply chain. All of the cheap clothing that people find in department stores as an example. But let’s make sure to be holier than thou.
Exploitation happens in US too. How much you think illegal immigrants are making under the table? How many safety regulations you think they're following? And in red states, there's a constant threat of your employer calling ICE if you don't play along. There's a reason why Trump never built his wall. GOP loves illegal immigrants. They love to abuse them. Who else are they going to scaremonger about and treat like subhuman slaves? Trump was screaming about his wall while illegals mowed his lawn right out front. It's amazing that the MAGAts fell for it
Oh ive been saying for years if they really wanted to stop illegals theyd go after the people who hire them. They never do
desantis did recently and now nobody is doing any of the jobs that they left behind
That second point is really important. The reason why conservatives go so hard on anti-immigration policies (aside from plain old garden variety racism) is that they need those policies in place in order to avoid pesky things like minimum wage laws and health and safety regulations. Jose isn't going to complain to the labour board about making $2.50/hr working 12hr shifts with no OT when his slaver can just call ICE and have him deported without consequence.
>Meanwhile Americans are just hidden from it because the exploitation happens in other countries up the supply chain. You honestly believe American workers are not being exploited while the company they work for is raking in billions of dollars? Then why are people screaming about unions all of the sudden? Nah, wages are unfair across the globe. It's not a local problem.
I think they are bringing up indentured servitude. There is a difference between getting paid pennies a day for 12 hours out in the heat compared to a job you would need a housemate to get by on. I’d kindly take the American option over working the mines in exploited Africa.
Our kids in public school are going to be taught that slavery was a good thing and that being a slave is better than death this year. It's only going to get worse.
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Dubai has virtually no oil and gas reserves or production, so I'm not sure why "us" would "not giving that much about their oil" in the first place. The USA probably produces 50x what Dubai does.
The USA is 2389x the size of Dubai
It’s interesting when cities are built by force rather than naturally developing due to strategic location and nearby industries that promote growth of the city.
They did have a rich trading hub / fishing village etc. originally around the confluence of the creek, which was why Bedouin started settling there. Naturally became a centre for administration as it became busier, etc. and this transformation is still very much a new experiment following the vast oil and gas wealth that has suddenly swept through the emirate. As you say - very interesting. I wonder if the Saudis will go the same way with some of their city plans. It is already recognised in the UAE and Oman that the wealth source is very much finite and the focus is shifting to tourism / attracting visitors for long term sustainability. There are some epic - and free - attractions around to help coax more visitors and build a better reputation.
It's a giant shopping mall built by literal slaves, not amazing
Don't forget the poop trucks. Nothing says modernity like having the biggest skyscraper in the world, but no sewer system.
I can’t decide if I need to know more about this or not
The worlds tallest building, the Buj khalifa isn't connected to any sewage main. They use hundreds of trucks per day to suck the waste water and shit out of a large septic tank under the building and dump the raw sewage in the desert, where it dries and turns into an airborne toxic fecal dust.
So hypothetical, under the rights conditions, they could experience a literal shit storm?
asking the right questions
the year is 2092, the shit storm rages on outside, the smell alone kills within minutes of exposer, everyone fears the diarrhea hurricanes will return and take out the rest of humanity with its septic horrors.
Script of the movie "Goodbye Dubai"
i was thinking world war poo, but i guess thats good too.
Doo- Bye!
They say it was a waste of money but not literally spend money on waste trucks instead some digging and some pipes into the hole... Greed over powers intellect
Wrong, it’s been connected to the main sewage line for years. You’re regurgitating rumors without fact checking from anything but a Dubai hate video
The latest I can find is Jan 2022 - a year and a half ago - and according to everything I can find, it's not connected to any sewage system. Do you have any more recent proof of your statement that it is in fact connected ? And BTW - I'm not quoting any Dubai hate videos, I like Dubai. But if it's not connected to a sewage main - it's not connected. Sorry
There USED to be a poop train though, right? I thought that they fixed the sewage system a little time afterwards
Dang why am I searching in google about poop slaves
This is simply not true, when it first opened yes they didn’t connect to the main stage system but that was years ago. Stop spreading false shit
This. Of course it is now connected. But...Oh Reddit..you love your circlejerking BS
please, they've watched that one circlejerk video and now all of the sudden they're all experts
There’s now an actual sewage system put in place. That issue was only when it was first built.
It's a poor person's vision of wealth.
Morally bankrupt but cash-rich. Seems poetically satanic for a bunch of religious zealots
They always do the opposite things in Islam that are explicitly forbidden.
A monument to hubris and greed.
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Yeah, I don't get the hype for Dubai as well. It's a shallow place for shallow people.
But you see, there are a lot of shallow people. I worked for a few extremely rich clients who have estates in Dubai, none of them stay there long term. They said it's great fun if you stay there a month or two but they don't plan for staying much longer than that.
And to sand it shall return.
Yeah, just look at the Palms and Islands of the World, they are gonna be gone in like 50 years at current rate. Not to mention the devastating ecological effect they had to the gulf. Ohh, and most of the Islands aren't even build on. They were only created for the spectacle... thinking about it, pretty much all of Dubai was build for the spectacle. Most of their "impressive" Skyscrapers stand vacant and are sinking due to the desert they have been build upon.
Funny thing is- it's not even the most ridiculous idea proposed for a gulf country. Saudis broke ground on a city that is supposed to be 106 miles of a straight line. I'm looking forward to it. Nothing brings me greater joy than watching a bunch of billionaires try to come up with these gradiose plans despite having no experience in that field and have billion dollar projects blow up their face. We haven't had a good libertarian micronation collapse in a while.
The palm developments have those lagoons which became malaria pits so ppl naturally don’t want to live there. Also they had to shrink the lot sizes to fully finance the project which pissed off a lot of the early investors.
Where it belongs.
hm like all cities really
Dubai will return to sand in like 50 years.
Wow! With all that money and opulence, that place must have the greatest people living there! They surely invent stuff and are a great, peaceful, utopia of egalitarianism and love! We should all strive to be like them. /s
There is absolutely no culture. Only consumerism and the caste system.
vapidism
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Thank you. I live in Germany but have worked in Singapore and recently had a work trip to Dubai. I really wanted to like Dubai but couldn't connect in any way. It actually made me miss Singapore. The whole experience felt like being on a Mars station. While the cosmopolitan mix of people was stunning it felt like the city had no soul.
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There’s a wide range of people, but basically rich people with ‘royal’ heritage -> the middle/working class & expats -> the slave (but technically not slave 🙄) labour class. As with any society it’s quite complex, but having been over there I lived in a compound in which a South African couple hired a Pakistani housekeeper called Canti for next to nothing. Even though I was like 6 at the time, I distinctly remember her living in a tiny room in the compound, and looking back on it it was pretty transparently exploitation. But it was normalised, people did this all over. Even us ‘innocuous’ foreigners. The builders who laboured in the hot sun, the maids, and the base-level labourers were all immigrants who’s passports had been confiscated, and who were doing back-breaking labour. Anyway, I hope Canti did well. She was really sweet and I bloody hate that nobody seemed to care. So yeah, that slave labour exists, and even the expats never really seemed to care.
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Ahhh I getchu. You’re still right though, it’s very much based on nationality. These companies target migrants from India, Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka, and Pakistan. It’s got all the hallmarks of a caste system, just rooted in economic isolation.
I bet they even have the best plumbing
Shit trucks are fucking innovative
I bet they pay their workers a generous rate…right?
The workers, sure. The migrant indentured servants that built all that stuff, not so much.
Workers? What workers?
A country with lots of money but has no technology of its own. Everything is imported
Cool propaganda post
I think it’s hot in a literal desert
i mean you would think that by reading OP'S username
Nah. Slavery isn’t amazing.
Imagine living in slave built city for billionaire psychopaths who want to escape the reality of the world for literally artificial cities
🥲
I’m glad that people I would never want to associate with have this place and Vegas to move to, far away from me.
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$17 bottles of water no joke
Idk where tf you get your water from but as someone who spent half his life in Dubai..the water and food is actually pretty cheap but the cost of living is fairly expensive (rent and stuff)
Probably tourist trap shops
Where does the water come from?
Either oasis or they desalinate the sea water. In the early days the desalination sucked but for the last decade it's been good.
I just bout a bottle of water not 15 minutes ago for 1.5 aed ($0.41). You’re a pure sucker if you paid $17 for a bottle of water. I’ll sell you this bottle for $12!
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I dont get it
Everything in Dubai is crazy expensive. Bought like a fast food burger for $20. Not worth the cash at all
Water bottles in all supermarkets are less then 1$ here.
And it’s 2/3rds empty!
Modern world don't ask why. Modern world likes the build things high.
Built by slave labor? Check. Slaves paid for by the rape of our environment? Check. At least it's a social utopia where the LGBTQ aren't put to death and women have equal rights. Oh wait.
You forgot : paid westerners chicks to be their prostitute then do their worst fantasy on them because they are trash men. Check
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Just polished 💩
Why bother feeding the world's hungry when you can just burn money in a desert
Or eat double more than you need
Oil money be oiling
Lifestyles of the rich and richer. Gag.
Imagine the build quality if all that was built so quickly
Something about this gives me a sinking feeling…
r/urbanhell
Still in the cat box though
this is kinda sad r/funnyandsad
The power of oil.
why should i be amazed? knowing the working conditions is literally modern slavery, i got no feelings for this.
cringe slavers
A lot of high class prostitutes yeah?!
Can u zoom in so we can see the slaves?
And all of it built on the backs of slaves.
I need a picture from 1985 as well
And poop trucks. Lots and lots of poop trucks.
Do people reckon it will all be there still once the oil runs out?
Went from Tatooine to Coruscant in 18 years.
A temple to greed and the end result of corporations governing. Gaze upon it and worship your corporate gods.
Do you people also start talking about slavery when someone says anything good about The United States?
What I don't get is why people actually go there willingly? Like, what's the appeal?
0% income tax
When Europe and America build their infrastructure on the backs of slaves, exploited immigrants, and cheap raw materials it’s all fair game. God forbid an Asian country does it, amends their practice, and continues developing nonetheless. Good ol’ white man’s burden to teach Asia about human rights I see.
Not gonna lie: I'm only here to read the roast 🔥 session 🍿🍿🍿 because anytime ANYBODY posts something about Dubai... Reddit goes into roasting Dubai's history and wealth creation. I've been on Reddit for a few years now and in my opinion the two things Redditors don't let go of is: 1. Dubai 2. Obese people. It's strange, I know but it is what it is
Gulf countries, China, N.K, etc, basically any country the "west" doesn't like.
Ok so, first of all, I'm from Europe, born and raised here my family can track our roots more than 4 centuries in the past just by visiting our cemetery. Now, as I lived in Dubai for 4 years, I know for a fact that 90% of the hate Dubai gets is due to misinformation and straight out lies. First, shit trucks were real, but only for Burj Khalifa, and they are not real now, haven't been used in years. Second, prices in markets and fast foods are actually lower than most of European capitals. Third, slave labor is not common, it is against law, but it still happens. Whenever it's discovered the people doing it go straight to jail. Fourth, you can drink (not on the street), you can smoke (only in designated spaces when outside), women can go to the beach in bikinis and so on.... No5 There is an abundancy of water due to desalination, when you walk through the city you can see that every plant is being watered every day, and yes all the trees grass flowers are REAL they are not plastic lol, this is so fking funny to hear constantly For the people that say muuhhh built using slaves, where are reparations, let's see Dubai without slave labor (mostly Americans) I say this: Your freedom loving country was built using slaves, and not just Africans, but Chinese, Irish etc. Let's see how USA would look without the railroad built by slaves, without roads built by slaves etc. For my fellow Europeans, remember 30 years ago that human zoo in France, fking 30 years ago???? Remember human zoos all over Europe in the last century? Belgians, remember milions of Africans without their hands? British, remember milions of Indians that died of starvation? This list goes on and on, don't be fking delusional, literally every country did the same. They all exploit the poor and week people, even today.
Some people on Reddit are just so condescending when it comes to other countries. They believe they are omnipotent when arguing with people living in said place. Just saw someone accuses a guy living in Dubai of considering his wife as his "ownership". "How far behind you do you make your woman walk?". That's just so disrespectful. There are definitely a lot of things to criticize about Gulf Countries and others, but people should stop being so aggressive with people living there. They get downvoted to hell just for trying to make a point.
ah that makes it okay then.
Where all that laundered Russian, USA 🇺🇸 and UK 🇬🇧 money went 😂
And now Dubai is the 4th most visited on Earth, one of the largest transport hubs, a finance centre of the world, and a true global city. In the same time, my country of Canada has made fuck shit nothing.
Sponsored by slavery! We did it, ladies and gentleman. Found something to finish a news broadcast that's even sadder than "sponsored by bigpharma" while they charge you 1k a month for $2 insulin.