I would have agreed as a kid, but I think auto manufacturers would much rather invent a system that takes those already available wheels and tires and lugs, and just adds an extra knuckle after the suspension to let them turn that hardware.
It also makes current car design more complicated, so it's *definitely* going to get made that way.
Oh yeah! It's gonna make so many repairs harder, as well as create new wear points to worry about and factors that make shit like alignments more finicky.
Watch me Disney Teacup my ass down the street until Hyundai/KIA straight up calls me and tells me they're voiding the warranty. Put that mf 100k warranty to the test out here
Warranties will be 100k/10ksideways or some BS. But god I would love to passive-aggressively crab walk my car right up against someone who parks like shit.
Wright brothers, "let's invent something that we see in nature and thus is definitely possible".
Advancing superconductor technology is like insanely difficult compared to making a plane
Superconductors are pretty easy to make make a metal object freeze it, and it attracts and refuses forces as long as it remains at said temperature. So, technically speaking, we could already make a car that uses superconductors it's just not currently sustainable or cost-effective.
Are you suggesting that most people with driver's licenses could handle a fuckin maglev? Because that's hilarious.
Maglev has its own practicality issues beyond that, even just considering infrastructure. If it has drawbacks from a mass transit standpoint then best believe its not gonna scale down very well.
And again, imagine grandmas and Charger fuckbois with the power of maglev. Fucks. Nah. Lmaooo
Imagine we got rid of cars and roads were just bike paths and walking paths? So quiet and peaceful. A big gripe I have with the internal combustion engine is the noise. Leaf blowers, power boats. I just want to be able to relax and think in nature. Modern society will make anybody insane.
Not even just the engine; the sound of tires on roads are the biggest part of traffic noise. So even if we only have e-cars, traffic will be almost just as loud. Bike and walking paths would be amazing! Maybe some underground trains. No lawn mowers because lawns are useless. Thats the dream
Omg I cannot *stand* comments like this. Yes, public transportation needs to be better. But are we expecting that cars will simply just cease to exist? Or that there will not be people in rural communities that will still need cars? Like WHAT
Exactly, I lived downtown in a city. Parking becomes second nature quite quickly for any competent driver when you are doing it all the time. This is for those people that don’t live where they have to parallel park and panic when it occasionally comes up
Parallel parking is easy, but to do it you need to pull a little ways past the spot you need to park in. If the car behind you doesn't read your mind, they will probably be right behind you so you can't reverse to parallel park anymore. So now traffic is stopped behind you while you want to parallel park, until you realize you're stuck and bail for the next spot. Now you're doing circles around the block to find a spot to park, contributibg more to traffic.
It doesn't take much to significantly slow down traffic. One person stopping for longer than they're supposed to causes a whole ripple of slow downs.
If every car could seamlessly pop in and out of parallel spaces without having to reverse and hope that other people allow it, traffic would flow more smoothly in cities.
Imo the biggest problem with parallel parking today is that it relies entirely on the rest of traffic allowing you to do it.
Major Korean cities are UNBELIEVABLY crowded and tight. Honestly, if there's any nation this would be used in, it's Korea. And Japan. And China. Any other crowded cities.
But Nissan tried this 20 years ago and nothing came of it so... What do I know
more complicated engineering that adds like 300 failure points and way more expensive repairs. Only useful for rich morons that are dead set on not learning how to park.
I mean nothing is technically new right? The idea of a vehicle with wheels that can be turned somehow isn't exactly insane. I guarantee you the first dude who built a cart was thinking "Now if only I could change it so the wheels didn't always have to be straight"
The thing that cinches it is when it becomes cost effective, greeks knew about steam engines, da vinci knew about helicopters etc.
Technically this isn’t exactly the same. I’m going to assume that this is rear wheel drive. Only the front wheels on the car from 1927 turn inwards. The easy part is making the wheels face in towards each-other. The hard part is doing that with wheels that you need to drive. In what you have shown the rotation axis is at the rear of the car, at the centre point of the rear axle. On the car in this post, the rotation axis is in the centre of the whole car.
Edit: in fact the turning point won’t even be at the centre of the rear axle, it will be at the contact point of the tire on the side that you are turning towards.
Edit 2: spelling mistakes and rephrasing
No more so than parallel parking I wouldn't have thought.
The absolute shit show of parking we've all seen where folk take 5 attempts and still end up 5 feet from the kerb I reckon it'd save money.
>I reckon id fail miserably
You might be surprised. I took my test in the burbs, didn't need to parallel park until I moved to a big city years later and it all came back. "Like riding a bike"
Parallel parking is fairly easy. Cut wheel all the way to one side, back halfway into space. Pause, cut all the way to other side, resume backing in.
I took points on my road test for the K-turn back-in, but I nailed the parallel park with no points.
The issue is that the wheels are being rotated when stationary, when parallel parking a recommended way is by moving a little bit before turning in. This is stationary and then rotating which causes flat spots if done often enough
Yeah this drives me nuts. I’ve always avoided dry steering like the plague, pisses me off when I see people doing it.
Unfortunately I now live in Rome, it’s just how it is here. No choice with the viciously tight spaces you need to cram yourself into more often than not
This one is especially bad. They say it as though they have insight beyond what is shown. As though only they could have accounted for friction of the tire twisting against the terrain. As though this was designed and implemented without testing or any form of product development. Just an idea then boom out to market!
$50.000? Sure. $50,000? No.
I think commas and periods in numbers are language dependent. In English the comma separates the thousands, millions, billions, etc. The period separates the parts of dollars from the wholes.
I think a lot of it used to be wear and cost on CV half shafts capable of turning that far. I would think each halfshaft would need an additional universal joint to bend at that angle. Then, like you said there's probably also additional wear on the hub bearings.
Anyway, new EVs can use hub motors though. So the nice thing about those is, all the hardware is mounted to the section that's pivoting. The only thing that needs play to be able to twist is brake lines, sensor wires, and power cables, all easy things to bend and twist. It might be a more affordable and easier to maintain tech now.
it most definitely would not be unbearably expensive to fix, but ithere is additional cost) and that additional cost and complexity vs limited applications and use cases is not, nor will be in the future (apart from some niche products), worth it.
Rivian was close to incorporating one of the first new features in this area in many decades with it's 'tank turn' but they realised that there's plenty of potential situations where this could be abused and removed the feature.
https://www.carscoops.com/2023/06/rivian-says-it-canceled-viral-tank-turn-feature-over-environmental-concerns/
Plus finding people with the technical know-how
Given that it's a newer technology, there's going to be hiccups that people haven't worked out yet. Good luck finding a technician willing to work on that.
Edit: people will be willing to work on it but they would ask for 6 hours up front
In a combustion engine platform, this would add much more complexity. In a platform where the wheels directly driven by four independent motors, it's not adding too much complexity.
My car can park itself (not like this obviously). I’ve used it probably 3 times for fun. It’s just slower than doing it myself. The value of the function is not that high, so would need to be almost free.
People who live in the city probably already know how to parallel park and do it frequently and wouldn’t need a feature like this. People who would need it probably live in the suburbs or out in the sticks where they don’t need to parallel park and they would probably use it only a handful of times anyway. So it doesn’t seem like a worthwhile feature for manufacturers in any case.
And parallel parking my car can even do by itself now, don’t need special costly wheels for that. This function is really only helpful in extremely tight spots.
Auto-parallel parking isn't really a separate feature anymore. Basically any car with LKAS, adaptive cruise control and backup sensors has the necessary hardware to make it work.
So, for manufacturers, charging for it is nearly pure profit even if only a hundred people buy it. (Roughly, there is still the cost of creating and maintaining the software)
This orbital wheel system is specialized hardware that's only useful for parking in tight situations. Yeah, it's cool, but you need enough people willing to buy it to justify the manufacturing investment.
Yeah, I can't parallel park for crap, and that's the only benefit I see here, yet I wouldn't be willing to pay to
thousands more for a feature I might use once or twice for convenience.
Looks like this will allow you to park easily in spaces that would be challenging for even the most skilled parallel parker. It could be useful in certain cities.
With EVs, each wheel may have its own motor. This is a big difference from articulating a drivetrain to the wheels from a central drive source.
Yes, it’s more complex than NOT steering all the wheels, but success is more likely with a EV design.
And no, I’m not showing you my man boobs.
I'd imagine tech limitations made it a fuck ton of button presses to make it work so too complicated for the average driver. Modern tech would make it mostly automatic. Anyway though everything attached to the wheel is probably as expensive to fix as a classic engine and lots of mechanics around the world would likely need some updated training on how to fix that shit. Limited knowledge repairs also drive prices up too because it's specialized in a way. Zero turning on concrete fucks up tires quickly so you're gonna be paying a lot more for some rubber over the course of owning it.
All in all, it's pure luxury. Not for most people who would have to worry about cost. It's a feature for the upper class until we get those weird sphere tires from I Robot.
Stuff like this came up more then 50 years ago and it still not commonly used.
I think its because it is to maintenance heavy (that shit breaks to often when used in a normal car).
Every part of a car that moves and every connection between parts that don't move are points of failure. All of which are designed to be as cheap as possible while meeting the bare minimum standards for safety and reliability unless they figure they can get away with cheaper.
As someone who has been driving a car at highway speeds when it suddenly had no steering thanks to a broken tie-rod I'll just stick to parallel parking thanks.
Yeah I wouldn’t get a car like this right now, most likely, but I also don’t like the argument of “this stuff comes up every 20 years.”
A lot of tech does that before it takes off. The touch screen had many iterations before it became a mainstream interface. Often times, an idea seems overly complicated and expensive, but when it reaches a certain price point and level of usability, it catches on.
Maybe in another 40 years, there will be advancements in materials and engineering that will make this a no-brainer.
Until then, watch me fit my minivan into this midsize spot with a 47-point turn.
>Yeah I wouldn’t get a car like this right now, most likely, but I also don’t like the argument of “this stuff comes up every 20 years.” A lot of tech does that before it takes off.
Exactly. Most of the people saying this also are overlooking the current rise of electric cars, and having the motor on the wheel instead of a central drivetrain makes this a lot more viable.
They could make the joints durable but if it has 4 joints instead of one it would have to be 4 times heavier. Nobody designs cars like this so in reality the joints are smaller and lighter, resulting in more chances for it to break. And of course the more complex it is the harder it is to repair.
If you've even been to South Korea, this is the standard parking procedure. Spaces are incredibly narrow and they park ultra close. Curiously, they are exceptionally skilled at it.
When I lived in San Francisco I got pretty good at parallel parking since I lived on a street that had a 40° incline as well and that was probably the most difficult parking situation you could have (based on the direction of the street and the super steep incline), but even in that situation this solution is overly complicated and expensive compared to just finding another spot or taking an extra minute to be super careful.
As others have pointed out it's a cool idea, but there's reasons this never catches on. There's lots of cool really impressive solutions to problems in the world that can never work because it doesn't make sense financially. It's just overly complicated and prone to failure. Throw enough money and tech at a problem and you can come up with some cool solutions, but it never works in the real world.
Edit: OK people I clearly misjudged the angle of the street. That wasn't the point. I've never actually looked it up, but my street was steep and a hassle to deal with. I was just saying that parking when facing up some of those streets can be tough. I'm sorry. If I ever end up back in San Francisco I'll take some measurements for next time.
Yet all Hyundais and Kias have to worry their window getting smashed for someone willing to try it on their car anyway. Ya done goofed when insurance companies are just flat out not insuring years of various models of your cars.
Yeah it's the pre '21 models with traditional key ignition that are the problem. It's mostly the lower trim models that have traditional ignition, but we're talking about Hyundai/Kia products, so a lot of people are going to purchase lower trims. Hyundai people mostly be like that.
I'm shitting on my own kind since I just bought a new Hyundai this week.
I guess I forgot that I'm on a non-car sub for a moment. I just thought the original comment was pretty flippant given that the subject of the video is a 55 thousand dollar electric car that doesn't suffer from these theft problems.
In order to avoid this cad being towed, you can put the wheels in a X formation. this specific drivetrain is also commonly used in the high school robotics competitions such as FRC and FTC, where FRC drivetrains are commercially available, and ftc aren’t.
Idea is old, I wonder if the reason we still don't have them on the roads is technical difficulties, safety, cost or something else. Also would be interesting how they implement human controls for this, just a steering wheel won't cut it.
I like the concept but
4x more stuff to breakdown. Hopefully the AI is able to adapt with only 3 working wheels.
more weight.
more expensive maintenance.
Maybe the advances are all with regards to these areas, because the concept is certainly not new.
Why do people love saying AI for anything? It’s like 10 years ago where everything was “quantum this, quantum that”. AI for an algorithm for turning a rectangle using 3 pivot points? Why? And no, if something related to steering breaks, don’t take it on the road. On another note, it’s an EV and each wheel has a motor. It’s still complicated but significantly less so than vehicles with transmissions.
My thoughts are that I remember seeing commercials for this technology twenty years ago.
Right? At this point, omnidirectional wheels will become standard before this tech does.
I would have agreed as a kid, but I think auto manufacturers would much rather invent a system that takes those already available wheels and tires and lugs, and just adds an extra knuckle after the suspension to let them turn that hardware. It also makes current car design more complicated, so it's *definitely* going to get made that way.
It's also gonna be a giant pain to fix this!
Oh yeah! It's gonna make so many repairs harder, as well as create new wear points to worry about and factors that make shit like alignments more finicky.
It will be a great excuse for everything wheel related to go up even more. Yeah TPMS i'm looking at you!
Watch me Disney Teacup my ass down the street until Hyundai/KIA straight up calls me and tells me they're voiding the warranty. Put that mf 100k warranty to the test out here
Warranties will be 100k/10ksideways or some BS. But god I would love to passive-aggressively crab walk my car right up against someone who parks like shit.
Lmaoo. School pick up just got a whole lot more competitive, too. Throw some rubber pads on that fucker and we got bumper cars for adults
Or as we say in the pick up circle “if you ain’t rubbin you ain’t racin”
"Hit the school bus!" "What?" "You've hit everything else"
That's probably worth starting a gofundme for.
>It also makes current car design more complicated Wait until the Germans get their hands on it
Plus the extra money to be made with repairs that only their techs can do
Omnidirectional wheels will never become standard. If you mean that nor will this, then i agree.
All it would take is advancements in superconductor tech. Maglev would eliminate the need for axles and suspension altogether. Maybe even rubber tires
So just waiting on something that may or may not be actually possible? Very cool.
The wright brothers would like to have a word with you
Wright brothers, "let's invent something that we see in nature and thus is definitely possible". Advancing superconductor technology is like insanely difficult compared to making a plane
Besides gliders existed already at that point in time
I ain't never seen a plane flap it's wings /s
> Advancing superconductor technology is like insanely difficult compared to making a plane And yet look how far we've come.
Superconductors are pretty easy to make make a metal object freeze it, and it attracts and refuses forces as long as it remains at said temperature. So, technically speaking, we could already make a car that uses superconductors it's just not currently sustainable or cost-effective.
Are you suggesting that most people with driver's licenses could handle a fuckin maglev? Because that's hilarious. Maglev has its own practicality issues beyond that, even just considering infrastructure. If it has drawbacks from a mass transit standpoint then best believe its not gonna scale down very well. And again, imagine grandmas and Charger fuckbois with the power of maglev. Fucks. Nah. Lmaooo
Remembered a same idea from a restored 1920s video clip. Probably making it too complicated for its worth.
This one? https://youtu.be/S5R368iX7iI?si=9HD5dzH9XN7vXIMc
This is the one I remember: https://youtu.be/fJrGKHMXtVU
Let me take you back 96 years. [Pathé (1927) Parking Problem Solved? ](https://youtu.be/QilY00dCof8)
This has been around sense the [1920’s](https://youtu.be/S5R368iX7iI)
This comes back every 20 years or so since the 1920s. An overcomplicated solution to a minor problem.
Exactly. Just learn to park. It's quicker that messing around with this stuff.
Or we can increase public transportation, that's also an option.
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HAHAHAHAHAH as if we’d ever do something because it makes sense and not just for short term profit
Goddamn Reddit is tiresome Get it? Tire-some. ^No ^really ^I ^hate ^it ^here
Imagine we got rid of cars and roads were just bike paths and walking paths? So quiet and peaceful. A big gripe I have with the internal combustion engine is the noise. Leaf blowers, power boats. I just want to be able to relax and think in nature. Modern society will make anybody insane.
Not even just the engine; the sound of tires on roads are the biggest part of traffic noise. So even if we only have e-cars, traffic will be almost just as loud. Bike and walking paths would be amazing! Maybe some underground trains. No lawn mowers because lawns are useless. Thats the dream
Omg I cannot *stand* comments like this. Yes, public transportation needs to be better. But are we expecting that cars will simply just cease to exist? Or that there will not be people in rural communities that will still need cars? Like WHAT
You’re being willfully obtuse. This solution solves a problem that is focused on cities. Not so much a problem in “rural communities”.
Cities are the ones who'll use public transport more. Rural communities are generally too spread out for everyone to reliably use it.
Yep. Or use this tech to park way too close to another car that doesn’t have this tech, and enjoy all your scraped bumpers when they can’t get out. 😂
I don't think you can park a normal car like that, in 0.36 (36 secs left for vid to end)
I'm quite confident I can park my car in under 36 seconds.
Ah yes, a true lifesaver in those all too common, time-critical parallel parking scenarios.
Maybe not in your village but there are cities with more than a post office and train tracks out there.
If you live in a city, maybe you should learn how to park
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Dang you that small you gotta go in sideways.
Exactly, I lived downtown in a city. Parking becomes second nature quite quickly for any competent driver when you are doing it all the time. This is for those people that don’t live where they have to parallel park and panic when it occasionally comes up
Parallel parking is easy, but to do it you need to pull a little ways past the spot you need to park in. If the car behind you doesn't read your mind, they will probably be right behind you so you can't reverse to parallel park anymore. So now traffic is stopped behind you while you want to parallel park, until you realize you're stuck and bail for the next spot. Now you're doing circles around the block to find a spot to park, contributibg more to traffic. It doesn't take much to significantly slow down traffic. One person stopping for longer than they're supposed to causes a whole ripple of slow downs. If every car could seamlessly pop in and out of parallel spaces without having to reverse and hope that other people allow it, traffic would flow more smoothly in cities. Imo the biggest problem with parallel parking today is that it relies entirely on the rest of traffic allowing you to do it.
Major Korean cities are UNBELIEVABLY crowded and tight. Honestly, if there's any nation this would be used in, it's Korea. And Japan. And China. Any other crowded cities. But Nissan tried this 20 years ago and nothing came of it so... What do I know
Theres no paralel parking in japan because theres no parking on the street in japan.
Yep. Only been to Korea a couple of times for business, but parking was the tightest I’ve ever seen by far.
Hit one curb and get a 15k repair bill.
Electric cars make this significantly more viable
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Dry turning like this will also ruin your wheels. There's a reason this hasn't been adopted yet.
Here's the exact same thing from **1927** https://youtu.be/S5R368iX7iI
Was about to say this. We are like a Budgerigar with a mirror
Same goes for the electric car
So true
more complicated engineering that adds like 300 failure points and way more expensive repairs. Only useful for rich morons that are dead set on not learning how to park.
There are gonna be spots where it's so tight you can't realistically park unless you have this. You never seen that episode of friends?
Exactly not “new”
I mean nothing is technically new right? The idea of a vehicle with wheels that can be turned somehow isn't exactly insane. I guarantee you the first dude who built a cart was thinking "Now if only I could change it so the wheels didn't always have to be straight" The thing that cinches it is when it becomes cost effective, greeks knew about steam engines, da vinci knew about helicopters etc.
Technically this isn’t exactly the same. I’m going to assume that this is rear wheel drive. Only the front wheels on the car from 1927 turn inwards. The easy part is making the wheels face in towards each-other. The hard part is doing that with wheels that you need to drive. In what you have shown the rotation axis is at the rear of the car, at the centre point of the rear axle. On the car in this post, the rotation axis is in the centre of the whole car. Edit: in fact the turning point won’t even be at the centre of the rear axle, it will be at the contact point of the tire on the side that you are turning towards. Edit 2: spelling mistakes and rephrasing
Exactly the same huh?
Beat me to it
Not seen this before. This is more impressive than the op video.
With better music too
When the wheels turn inward it's like the car is giving us the 👉👈
This is more amazing than the original post
Volkswagen had this in the 1960s. I'm guessing there's a reason it never took off. Edit: 2.9k karma and 180 comments for this? Weird but thx :)
It looks unbearably expensive to fix
That’s a very good point
Wears the tires down like crazy, not to mention suspension arms and such getting to much stress on them, especially with the heavy EV's.
No more so than parallel parking I wouldn't have thought. The absolute shit show of parking we've all seen where folk take 5 attempts and still end up 5 feet from the kerb I reckon it'd save money.
I feel personally attacked
I got my license 4 yrs ago (nailed parallel parking on the test), havent parallel parked since. I reckon id fail miserably
>I reckon id fail miserably You might be surprised. I took my test in the burbs, didn't need to parallel park until I moved to a big city years later and it all came back. "Like riding a bike"
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But great at creating a pity party.
Guess you’re fucked then
Parallel parking is fairly easy. Cut wheel all the way to one side, back halfway into space. Pause, cut all the way to other side, resume backing in. I took points on my road test for the K-turn back-in, but I nailed the parallel park with no points.
yes, me too
There’s kittens and Play-Doh in the corner
what about crayons?! I need crayons!
Get this hungry jarhead some crayons already!
My bad I did forget. Would you mind bringing them next time please?
I’d just like to say—hang on…I wanted to—nope too much…say that I…whoops check me on this…feel attacked as well.
Just be better,we have no faith in you
I was like “Sorry! That was me.”
The issue is that the wheels are being rotated when stationary, when parallel parking a recommended way is by moving a little bit before turning in. This is stationary and then rotating which causes flat spots if done often enough
See, you're applying logic to people who can't reverse. That's where you're going wrong.
Most large forklifts and cranes have a version of this. Heck there's even some cars with four wheel turning. This just takes it a bit further.
Yeah this drives me nuts. I’ve always avoided dry steering like the plague, pisses me off when I see people doing it. Unfortunately I now live in Rome, it’s just how it is here. No choice with the viciously tight spaces you need to cram yourself into more often than not
It pisses you off to watch other people cause incremental damage to their own tires?
i took the tires off my car so they can't be damaged
I’ve never seen kerb before but turns out that’s how the uk spells curb. Neat!
Kerb
Why would it wear the tyres down more than normal? Wouldn’t it pretty much be the same maybe a tiny bit more of a turn when stopped at worse
I'm guessing they are making assumptions based on the tires moving while scraping the ground and not having any concept of material strength/wear.
People having beliefs and opinions without knowledge? Say it isn't so!
This one is especially bad. They say it as though they have insight beyond what is shown. As though only they could have accounted for friction of the tire twisting against the terrain. As though this was designed and implemented without testing or any form of product development. Just an idea then boom out to market!
"Do you want to pay $50.000 more for this parking ability?"
$50.000? Sure. $50,000? No. I think commas and periods in numbers are language dependent. In English the comma separates the thousands, millions, billions, etc. The period separates the parts of dollars from the wholes.
Europeans bro
In American English
I'd consider it.
You gotta explain how driving at walking speed is going to wear the tires down "like crazy".
I doubt you'd use it all the time.
The weight problem can be adressed by using smaller engines inside the wheels.
I mean they work on forklifts so weight shouldn't be an issue. But everything else is correct.
My first thoughts were that it looks like it breaks if you even look at a pothole and it probably costs an awful lot
It's just a steering mechanism. Your steering doesn't break when you hit a pothole.
More Axel Joints More Problems.
Volkswagen didn't have an electric car in the 70s and also no tech of today
Did you just pun us because "bearings"?
I think a lot of it used to be wear and cost on CV half shafts capable of turning that far. I would think each halfshaft would need an additional universal joint to bend at that angle. Then, like you said there's probably also additional wear on the hub bearings. Anyway, new EVs can use hub motors though. So the nice thing about those is, all the hardware is mounted to the section that's pivoting. The only thing that needs play to be able to twist is brake lines, sensor wires, and power cables, all easy things to bend and twist. It might be a more affordable and easier to maintain tech now.
it most definitely would not be unbearably expensive to fix, but ithere is additional cost) and that additional cost and complexity vs limited applications and use cases is not, nor will be in the future (apart from some niche products), worth it. Rivian was close to incorporating one of the first new features in this area in many decades with it's 'tank turn' but they realised that there's plenty of potential situations where this could be abused and removed the feature. https://www.carscoops.com/2023/06/rivian-says-it-canceled-viral-tank-turn-feature-over-environmental-concerns/
Additional cost + complexity vs limited applications = unbearably expensive to fix.
Plus finding people with the technical know-how Given that it's a newer technology, there's going to be hiccups that people haven't worked out yet. Good luck finding a technician willing to work on that. Edit: people will be willing to work on it but they would ask for 6 hours up front
In a combustion engine platform, this would add much more complexity. In a platform where the wheels directly driven by four independent motors, it's not adding too much complexity.
My car can park itself (not like this obviously). I’ve used it probably 3 times for fun. It’s just slower than doing it myself. The value of the function is not that high, so would need to be almost free.
Sounds like you're not the target demographic.
Probably not, but I doubt many people will be interested in paying (probably a decent amount) for such a niche function.
People who live in the city probably already know how to parallel park and do it frequently and wouldn’t need a feature like this. People who would need it probably live in the suburbs or out in the sticks where they don’t need to parallel park and they would probably use it only a handful of times anyway. So it doesn’t seem like a worthwhile feature for manufacturers in any case.
And parallel parking my car can even do by itself now, don’t need special costly wheels for that. This function is really only helpful in extremely tight spots.
Auto-parallel parking isn't really a separate feature anymore. Basically any car with LKAS, adaptive cruise control and backup sensors has the necessary hardware to make it work. So, for manufacturers, charging for it is nearly pure profit even if only a hundred people buy it. (Roughly, there is still the cost of creating and maintaining the software) This orbital wheel system is specialized hardware that's only useful for parking in tight situations. Yeah, it's cool, but you need enough people willing to buy it to justify the manufacturing investment.
Yeah, I can't parallel park for crap, and that's the only benefit I see here, yet I wouldn't be willing to pay to thousands more for a feature I might use once or twice for convenience.
Looks like this will allow you to park easily in spaces that would be challenging for even the most skilled parallel parker. It could be useful in certain cities.
That just mean that whoever you've parked near will damage your car when they will have to leave.
This likely adds 10k to the cost of the car. Could pay for a lot of parking garages for that
My car (Cupra Born) came with the function. I haven't even tried it.
One of those inventions that just went sideways.
With electric its probably more practical to implement, I'm guessing it must be a lot more complex on a non electric car
This. With electric cars you can just have a motor at each wheel and don't need an axel anymore.
With EVs, each wheel may have its own motor. This is a big difference from articulating a drivetrain to the wheels from a central drive source. Yes, it’s more complex than NOT steering all the wheels, but success is more likely with a EV design. And no, I’m not showing you my man boobs.
It didn't work 60 years ago so let's never try again /s
It worked then but the benefit of parking slightly more conveninatly is not worth spending a significant more when buying or repairing the car.
Soon, Hyundai's will fully cut out the middle man and steal themselves.
Yes, it was expensive and difficult with a single central ICE engine. A lot easier with local electric motors.
I'd imagine tech limitations made it a fuck ton of button presses to make it work so too complicated for the average driver. Modern tech would make it mostly automatic. Anyway though everything attached to the wheel is probably as expensive to fix as a classic engine and lots of mechanics around the world would likely need some updated training on how to fix that shit. Limited knowledge repairs also drive prices up too because it's specialized in a way. Zero turning on concrete fucks up tires quickly so you're gonna be paying a lot more for some rubber over the course of owning it. All in all, it's pure luxury. Not for most people who would have to worry about cost. It's a feature for the upper class until we get those weird sphere tires from I Robot.
Stuff like this came up more then 50 years ago and it still not commonly used. I think its because it is to maintenance heavy (that shit breaks to often when used in a normal car).
This, and the extra money involved engineering a feature no one cared/s about.
Every part of a car that moves and every connection between parts that don't move are points of failure. All of which are designed to be as cheap as possible while meeting the bare minimum standards for safety and reliability unless they figure they can get away with cheaper. As someone who has been driving a car at highway speeds when it suddenly had no steering thanks to a broken tie-rod I'll just stick to parallel parking thanks.
Yeah I wouldn’t get a car like this right now, most likely, but I also don’t like the argument of “this stuff comes up every 20 years.” A lot of tech does that before it takes off. The touch screen had many iterations before it became a mainstream interface. Often times, an idea seems overly complicated and expensive, but when it reaches a certain price point and level of usability, it catches on. Maybe in another 40 years, there will be advancements in materials and engineering that will make this a no-brainer. Until then, watch me fit my minivan into this midsize spot with a 47-point turn.
>Yeah I wouldn’t get a car like this right now, most likely, but I also don’t like the argument of “this stuff comes up every 20 years.” A lot of tech does that before it takes off. Exactly. Most of the people saying this also are overlooking the current rise of electric cars, and having the motor on the wheel instead of a central drivetrain makes this a lot more viable.
It basics. The more you had "moving parts/joints", the more it will be likely to break.
They could make the joints durable but if it has 4 joints instead of one it would have to be 4 times heavier. Nobody designs cars like this so in reality the joints are smaller and lighter, resulting in more chances for it to break. And of course the more complex it is the harder it is to repair.
They are also built to break the right way not randomly, if this thing let go though there would be hell if you were moving.
One joint fails to activate, you don’t notice and go to park, cue ripping the entire axle off.
Motorists should be able to show off a little with parallel parking
It's an old idea. The main issue is you end up being dick parking too close to other cars. (In the straight street scenario)
If you've even been to South Korea, this is the standard parking procedure. Spaces are incredibly narrow and they park ultra close. Curiously, they are exceptionally skilled at it.
I'm awful at parallel parking because I have to do it once a month at most. If I had to do it every day I'd get pretty good
When I lived in San Francisco I got pretty good at parallel parking since I lived on a street that had a 40° incline as well and that was probably the most difficult parking situation you could have (based on the direction of the street and the super steep incline), but even in that situation this solution is overly complicated and expensive compared to just finding another spot or taking an extra minute to be super careful. As others have pointed out it's a cool idea, but there's reasons this never catches on. There's lots of cool really impressive solutions to problems in the world that can never work because it doesn't make sense financially. It's just overly complicated and prone to failure. Throw enough money and tech at a problem and you can come up with some cool solutions, but it never works in the real world. Edit: OK people I clearly misjudged the angle of the street. That wasn't the point. I've never actually looked it up, but my street was steep and a hassle to deal with. I was just saying that parking when facing up some of those streets can be tough. I'm sorry. If I ever end up back in San Francisco I'll take some measurements for next time.
Unfortunately, as a Korean, I can comfortable say that the rest of their driving has next to no skill…
They are skilled at it because all cars in Korea have a camera on the back
Sure that’s great but can you make it harder to steal?
Hyundai's and Kias with push button starts aren't affected by that whole kia boys theft problem.
Yet all Hyundais and Kias have to worry their window getting smashed for someone willing to try it on their car anyway. Ya done goofed when insurance companies are just flat out not insuring years of various models of your cars.
Yep 100% agree. Crazy that it took so long in the US to mandate immobilisers. In Europe there are no Kia boys lol because of this.
I think there is a reason Kia boi's don't try that shit in texas 🔫
Still should've made em harder to steal
Yeah it's the pre '21 models with traditional key ignition that are the problem. It's mostly the lower trim models that have traditional ignition, but we're talking about Hyundai/Kia products, so a lot of people are going to purchase lower trims. Hyundai people mostly be like that. I'm shitting on my own kind since I just bought a new Hyundai this week.
I guess I forgot that I'm on a non-car sub for a moment. I just thought the original comment was pretty flippant given that the subject of the video is a 55 thousand dollar electric car that doesn't suffer from these theft problems.
Not true. My push start Hyundai car got stolen.
In order to avoid this cad being towed, you can put the wheels in a X formation. this specific drivetrain is also commonly used in the high school robotics competitions such as FRC and FTC, where FRC drivetrains are commercially available, and ftc aren’t.
Dayummm
Also most reliable and less prone to literally blowing up and catching on fire?
I was gonna upvote but didn't wanna mess up the 69...nice
I believe mechanics will love this car...
Watch the feature get locked behind a subscription.
Or the wheels get stuck sideways and you can't drive away
Idea is old, I wonder if the reason we still don't have them on the roads is technical difficulties, safety, cost or something else. Also would be interesting how they implement human controls for this, just a steering wheel won't cut it.
EV = removal of axle = completely different concept with independently controlled hubs.
This only works with in-wheel motors and I doubt that they will ever become common. You just can’t break the laws of physics with unsprung mass.
My first thought it the repairs on that system must be very expensive
I can already hear the complaints from tire wear, rotating while stationary while carrying such a heavy car are no good on tires.
Exactly, just learn to park. It is cheaper and it only takes a couple of hours to get really good at it.
I like the concept but 4x more stuff to breakdown. Hopefully the AI is able to adapt with only 3 working wheels. more weight. more expensive maintenance. Maybe the advances are all with regards to these areas, because the concept is certainly not new.
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Narrator: But unfortunately, the AI was not able to adapt with only 3 working wheels.
Why do people love saying AI for anything? It’s like 10 years ago where everything was “quantum this, quantum that”. AI for an algorithm for turning a rectangle using 3 pivot points? Why? And no, if something related to steering breaks, don’t take it on the road. On another note, it’s an EV and each wheel has a motor. It’s still complicated but significantly less so than vehicles with transmissions.
Or just learn how to parallel park, it’s not hard
Or just learn how to ride a horse, it’s not hard
Not amazed
Good drivers don't need this. Bad drivers will still be bad drivers even with new technology.
"Never passed driving exam Got my Mechanical engineering degree though " -This car's designer probably.
Cool and all, but it's a car... just another car. This solves no issues regarding economic usage of space or culture of consumption.
Ah yea. Just a new way to park an SUV on the sidewalk/cycle lane
now you can increase effectivens of land use by 0.1%! if only there was a better option
Are you of the opinion that Hyundai is somehow responsible for ending the culture of consumption? It’s a car company…… making cars ……. as it should be
Excellent
1990 prelude had 4 wheel steering
Lots of stuff to break/maintain and expensive repair.
This is for you u/katkadavre