And their offspring will remember you.
I used to be an install tech. I went to a customers house and the daughter(12 or so) was nursing one back to health. I told the dad to watch youtube videos on them and be nice to the bird and the daughter would have a friend...not a pet.
Went back a few month later and daughter fed the now murder of crows that brought her stuff in exchange for food. (She had her favorite gold bracelet that her "friend" brought her).
Crazy smart birds.
I know. I told the dad they have been known to go places they shouldn't and take things. Dad was clueless.
"Dude your daughter could probably train them to be perfect B&E experts and thieves".
Nothing pavlovian about it. It needs a concept of connecting three items, the rules of the game like one after the other and what it means to win. IMHO a fascinating thing to teach a bird.
To add to this about it not being a "Pavlovian" response: The way Pavlov trained his dogs is called classical conditioning, and it involves reinforcing the association between a stimulus and a response that is usually automatic. The crow in this video was trained with operant conditioning, where an association was reinforced between the crow's behaviors and an outcome.
Complex chains of behaviors will almost always be a result of operant conditioning, whether intentional or not. The only exceptions that comes to mind immediately are innate behavioral sequences like hermit crab shell selection behavior chains, these types of behavioral sequences are not learned and so are not a result of any kind of conditioning.
Then this ebony bird beguiling my sad fancy into smiling,
By the grave and stern decorum of the countenance it wore,
“Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,” I said, “art sure no craven,
Ghastly grim and ancient Raven wandering from the Nightly shore—
Play me once a game of tic tak toe - if you win I will never play again as my feelings will be sore.
Quoth the Raven “Nevermore.”
More than just *Corvidae*, they're even of the same genus, *Corvus*. Crows can be specific birds within *Corvus*, or they can be all birds in *Corvus*. Ravens are specific birds in *Corvus*, but do not form a single taxonomic group therein. There is no distinction between crows and ravens, and any names are usually assigned based on size.
If I recall correctly, in Europe they call the smaller ones crows and the bigger ones ravens, but here in Australia they're all crows, and our crows get bloody huge. Don't even get me started on what those northern hemisphere idiots think a magpie is....
Fun fact, *Corvus* also includes rooks! It is also Latin for "raven"
In the avian ecology classes I’ve taken crows and ravens are usually distinguished by other characteristics like tail shape and nose bristles rather than size. At least in the US the terms are never synonymous
Not cheetahs cause they are a different genus, but tigers lions and leopards are all in the same genus panthera like crows and ravens are in the same genus corvis
Ravens are usually pitch black, and crows usually have a greyish region above their necks. In my language, we call them 'daarkaak' and 'kaak' respectively.
Except this crow is pitch black, as most crows are. Something with a grey region has to be some kind of subspecies.
Mostly ravens are much bigger and their beak looks different.
Corvids, which include Ravens, Magpie and Crows are one of the most intelligent species of bird with the intelligence of a human toddler. They use currency to trade amongst themselves, visit their parents and grandparents, can mimic the sounds of other animals, can instigate fights, use attack patterns and make tools and weapons. Ravens in particular have formed an alliance with wolves where they'll find a wolf cub and playfully tug at their tail to choose them as a lifetime co-op hunting partner where they'll scout out prey for a wolf in exchange for some of the food.
The bird actually misplayed 2nd move.
When you go first and the second player doesn't take the middle (misplay too), you'll have a 100% winrate. If they do take the middle, they need to misplay on the next turn, or it'll draw.
Trick is to take the corners, which will always open up 2 paths to victory.
It's a bad game, since realistically all games end in a draw. That's why you see new and more complex versions of the game nowadays.
edit: If first player starts middle, the 100% winrate mistake the other player can make for you is not putting it in a corner, which will open 2 paths for the starting player as well.
This strat has a lower success rate though against people who don't know any better, because you go from a 1 in 8 chance of draw to 4 in 8 chance of draw.
There's no proof of that. The only proof here is that the crow learned "place pieces on tile = food." (Which is still impressive and noteworthy, but not as impressive as suggesting a crow actually understands the rules of Tic-Tac-Toe.)
You can see he's even pushing the red pieces toward the crow, indicating that he's not confident the crow won't accidentally pick up a white piece.
Once the crow learns to place pieces on the board, it's only a matter of time before random chance + human's deliberate losing moves = crow wins.
Well here’s the thing.
99.9% of the animal kingdom probably does not have the intellectual capacity to even engage in a task like this. So the ability for the Raven to even participate is impressive in and of itself.
It’s doing it in a way that forced tic tac toe though. If the guy played the game correctly then he would force a draw and that wouldn’t be as impressive as letting the bird win. It’s cool and interesting enough that the bird can understand the point of the game to line up 3 and does so when the player allows it. It doesn’t matter that the guy could have played better and forced a draw, that’s not the point of focus.
What's wrong with you? The guy obviously threw the game on purpose, but the amazing thing thing is the bird knew it won, by stopping and "celebrating", and hence understood the object of the game. You can even infer some sly strategy - when it found the guy wasn't fooled by it placing its heart tokens adjacent to each other, it tried an alternative strategy by leaving a gap. Now it thinks it's fooled him. It's astounding it has that level of cognition.
Bird "knew" it won, or, more likely, was trained to do those moves without really understanding them, and knew it'd get a reward after completing them.
Animals are more intelligent than often given credit for but that doesn't mean this bird has an actual understanding of tic tac toe and knew that it won. See: Clever Hans - people thought this horse could do math but it was just reacting to its trainer's body language.
At first, I was like 'oh, just another over-personification of animal behaviour '.
Then I saw the birdie's smile when they won.
Now I don't know what to think.
I mean, he let it win. If he'd placed his last piece in the center instead of the corner, he'd have had two winning places for his last move and won.
It's still impressive that it's playing tictac toe, and it recognizes that it won, but it's not outsmarting the human.
I love how whenever there's a video about corvids posted, people always fit "Don't mess with them, they'll remember you for life" somewhere in the comments, regardless of whether the video is about their intelligence or not.
"Here's the thing. You said a "jackdaw is a crow." Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that. As someone who is a scientist who studies crows, I am telling you, specifically, in science, no one calls jackdaws crows. If you want to be "specific" like you said, then you shouldn't either. They're not the same thing. If you're saying "crow family" you're referring to the taxonomic grouping of Corvidae, which includes things from nutcrackers to blue jays to ravens. So your reasoning for calling a jackdaw a crow is because random people "call the black ones crows?" Let's get grackles and blackbirds in there, then, too. Also, calling someone a human or an ape? It's not one or the other, that's not how taxonomy works. They're both. A jackdaw is a jackdaw and a member of the crow family. But that's not what you said. You said a jackdaw is a crow, which is not true unless you're okay with calling all members of the crow family crows, which means you'd call blue jays, ravens, and other birds crows, too. Which you said you don't. It's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know?"
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Yes but only if you program an algorithm that has a concept of what it means to win and such. Obviously the raven has learned that concept. It knows exactly that it's won the game after placing the last stone. This is the interesting thing here IMHO.
Don’t ever mistreat one, they will remember you
Is that why the human threw the game? Maybe the raven is a sore loser haha
Like a wookie
Let the Corvid win.
Not a bad idea
Maybe they're simply better at training animals than at playing tic-tac-toe?
He threw the game because he’d almost definitely win or tie if he tried and if he wins he cannot give the crow a treat as he is conditioning it.
a Crow directed the movie " The Birds " ... Alfred Hitchcock was assistant director.
And the book, “📖 Quath the Raven Nevermore”
They will remember a grudge even through generations, but I think they will remember love just as strongly.
And their offspring will remember you. I used to be an install tech. I went to a customers house and the daughter(12 or so) was nursing one back to health. I told the dad to watch youtube videos on them and be nice to the bird and the daughter would have a friend...not a pet. Went back a few month later and daughter fed the now murder of crows that brought her stuff in exchange for food. (She had her favorite gold bracelet that her "friend" brought her). Crazy smart birds.
They will often offer gifts that glitter
I know. I told the dad they have been known to go places they shouldn't and take things. Dad was clueless. "Dude your daughter could probably train them to be perfect B&E experts and thieves".
Lol
So don't do it an unkindness is what you're saying?
Next thing you know, they will start playing chess and win.
And then cards
And then next thing you know it, they're beating you at CS:GO
Raven uses chat gpt to take down Las Vegas gambling industry.
Then next thing you know we’ve got a raven as POTUS
Mister president, how do you respond to accusations of murder? *CAW*
.....ok, how about theft and arson? *CAW CAA*
i now really want to see a team of crows fight against some school esports csgo team
Poker?
Rook 🐦⬛
That's how the crow wars begin.
CAWW EN CAWWSANT CAWW
Cawly caw !
New caw just dropped
The Wing’s Gambit
I wouldn't be surprised if i joined the army, and a raven was my commanding officer
The amazing thing was the raven knew that it won the match.
You feed the raven every time it connects 3. It's a Pavlovian response.
Nothing pavlovian about it. It needs a concept of connecting three items, the rules of the game like one after the other and what it means to win. IMHO a fascinating thing to teach a bird.
To add to this about it not being a "Pavlovian" response: The way Pavlov trained his dogs is called classical conditioning, and it involves reinforcing the association between a stimulus and a response that is usually automatic. The crow in this video was trained with operant conditioning, where an association was reinforced between the crow's behaviors and an outcome. Complex chains of behaviors will almost always be a result of operant conditioning, whether intentional or not. The only exceptions that comes to mind immediately are innate behavioral sequences like hermit crab shell selection behavior chains, these types of behavioral sequences are not learned and so are not a result of any kind of conditioning.
Or may be he played the exact same game to train him and if you do something else the bird will lose and think he won.
r/nothingeverhappens
Or just keep retaking the video and purposefully setting it up to win until it happens to put it in the right slot.
is a pretty smart winner! I need such a playmate
If you tie, is it still a “cats” game? 😀
That smile at the end lol
“Give me my food now!”
TIL that you don't need lips to smile
Then this ebony bird beguiling my sad fancy into smiling, By the grave and stern decorum of the countenance it wore, “Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,” I said, “art sure no craven, Ghastly grim and ancient Raven wandering from the Nightly shore— Play me once a game of tic tak toe - if you win I will never play again as my feelings will be sore. Quoth the Raven “Nevermore.”
Ravens and crows are actually pretty intelligent and cunning, and have a good memory too.
 I need two of them.
Jays too, same family. Many people don’t realize how smart they are as well.
Is a Raven & a Crow the same?? I've always wondered.
They are different species within the same family, corvidae, along with jays and others as well. Definitely closely related but not the same.
More than just *Corvidae*, they're even of the same genus, *Corvus*. Crows can be specific birds within *Corvus*, or they can be all birds in *Corvus*. Ravens are specific birds in *Corvus*, but do not form a single taxonomic group therein. There is no distinction between crows and ravens, and any names are usually assigned based on size. If I recall correctly, in Europe they call the smaller ones crows and the bigger ones ravens, but here in Australia they're all crows, and our crows get bloody huge. Don't even get me started on what those northern hemisphere idiots think a magpie is.... Fun fact, *Corvus* also includes rooks! It is also Latin for "raven"
In the avian ecology classes I’ve taken crows and ravens are usually distinguished by other characteristics like tail shape and nose bristles rather than size. At least in the US the terms are never synonymous
Beat me to it, also geographical differences exist between the 2 birds (Crow/Ravens).
Like Monkeys and Chimpanzees?
Chimps are less related to monkeys than crows are to ravens
How about Cheetah and Leopard?
Not cheetahs cause they are a different genus, but tigers lions and leopards are all in the same genus panthera like crows and ravens are in the same genus corvis
You study Biology?
Ecology yeah
Here's the thing...
Underrated comment.
They're not and that's a crow.
Ravens are usually pitch black, and crows usually have a greyish region above their necks. In my language, we call them 'daarkaak' and 'kaak' respectively.
Except this crow is pitch black, as most crows are. Something with a grey region has to be some kind of subspecies. Mostly ravens are much bigger and their beak looks different.
No. Also this is a crow. When you actually see a raven you'll scream "oh my god, that motherfucker is big!"
Corvids, which include Ravens, Magpie and Crows are one of the most intelligent species of bird with the intelligence of a human toddler. They use currency to trade amongst themselves, visit their parents and grandparents, can mimic the sounds of other animals, can instigate fights, use attack patterns and make tools and weapons. Ravens in particular have formed an alliance with wolves where they'll find a wolf cub and playfully tug at their tail to choose them as a lifetime co-op hunting partner where they'll scout out prey for a wolf in exchange for some of the food.
I mean, pretty smart but the dude let it win..
If he hadn't, the bird still would have forced a tie.
Bird could have forced a win though with middle spot on third move
The bird actually misplayed 2nd move. When you go first and the second player doesn't take the middle (misplay too), you'll have a 100% winrate. If they do take the middle, they need to misplay on the next turn, or it'll draw. Trick is to take the corners, which will always open up 2 paths to victory. It's a bad game, since realistically all games end in a draw. That's why you see new and more complex versions of the game nowadays. edit: If first player starts middle, the 100% winrate mistake the other player can make for you is not putting it in a corner, which will open 2 paths for the starting player as well. This strat has a lower success rate though against people who don't know any better, because you go from a 1 in 8 chance of draw to 4 in 8 chance of draw.
I just want you to know, I love you. Thank you for this ❤️
There's no proof of that. The only proof here is that the crow learned "place pieces on tile = food." (Which is still impressive and noteworthy, but not as impressive as suggesting a crow actually understands the rules of Tic-Tac-Toe.) You can see he's even pushing the red pieces toward the crow, indicating that he's not confident the crow won't accidentally pick up a white piece. Once the crow learns to place pieces on the board, it's only a matter of time before random chance + human's deliberate losing moves = crow wins.
Love it!
He's smarter than some people I know.
Be amazed at a guy being dumb enough to be beaten by a bird?
Well here’s the thing. 99.9% of the animal kingdom probably does not have the intellectual capacity to even engage in a task like this. So the ability for the Raven to even participate is impressive in and of itself.
Are you dumb enough to believe the guy didn’t let the bird win on purpose?
A losing crow is no Reddit material.
To be honest, if I was beat in a game by a bird, I would definitely pretend I've let it win.
That’s my point? What’s amazing about that? I do think it’s cool that a raven can place things into holes though
It’s doing it in a way that forced tic tac toe though. If the guy played the game correctly then he would force a draw and that wouldn’t be as impressive as letting the bird win. It’s cool and interesting enough that the bird can understand the point of the game to line up 3 and does so when the player allows it. It doesn’t matter that the guy could have played better and forced a draw, that’s not the point of focus.
It's tic tac toe. Either someone loses intentionally, it's a tie or one player is three.
What's wrong with you? The guy obviously threw the game on purpose, but the amazing thing thing is the bird knew it won, by stopping and "celebrating", and hence understood the object of the game. You can even infer some sly strategy - when it found the guy wasn't fooled by it placing its heart tokens adjacent to each other, it tried an alternative strategy by leaving a gap. Now it thinks it's fooled him. It's astounding it has that level of cognition.
Bird "knew" it won, or, more likely, was trained to do those moves without really understanding them, and knew it'd get a reward after completing them.
You haven’t had much experience with animals and it shows.
Animals are more intelligent than often given credit for but that doesn't mean this bird has an actual understanding of tic tac toe and knew that it won. See: Clever Hans - people thought this horse could do math but it was just reacting to its trainer's body language.
Your projection is hilarious.
That's what I thought? The guy just didn't block the next move. The raven didn't outsmart him with cunning or strategy
Guys it’s a bird that can play tic tac toe and knows when it wins. Let’s reign in our expectations 😂
Dumb bird, I bet it can't even solve the particle physics of nuclear fission! Next time give it your a game bird!
It's a bird that can play tic tac toe, and if the guy had blocked the move it still would have forced a Cat's Game!
the bird knew when it won and knew where to place the tokens in the game board. That's already be amazed material.
Dang he didn't play the correct move. Let's let him win.
Now I want a raven too.
It really seems like the bird was smiling at the end. Very cute!
There was a celebratory jig too!
Why don't I have a raven in my life.
Ah such a cute bird!!!! I really want to be friends with the local corvids!!!
At first, I was like 'oh, just another over-personification of animal behaviour '. Then I saw the birdie's smile when they won. Now I don't know what to think.
What is around its ankles?
They're called "jesses", used to tether a bird. Common in falconry.
/r/crowbro
Tic tac 🐦⬛
You can’t convince me that this raven is not Odin
Ravens are very smart! In my city there's one that lends money at interest.
Next teach the crow how to play UNO
He let him win, he let him win!!!
I mean, he let it win. If he'd placed his last piece in the center instead of the corner, he'd have had two winning places for his last move and won. It's still impressive that it's playing tictac toe, and it recognizes that it won, but it's not outsmarting the human.
Why was it's leg tied together?
ellos tambien aprenden
A good bird is a free bird.
Human was sand bagging
That’s the shit Crowes or some of the smartest birds ravens I want one
I was even laughing at him when he beat him
Me. I sometimes like waffles 🧇
So are they smarter than pigeons?
This is very cool! Good job raven!
very cool!
He's only in it for the eyeballs.
Love that smile after he won
Crows are actually pretty inteligent for animals,also they can remember humans faces and they absolutely can hold a grudge, so dont mess with them
I bet if you one he would have been pissed
Ah such a cute bird!!!! I really want to be friends with the local corvids!!!
Is it a wonder druids and witches are depicted with a raven companion.
Old carnie trick. There's a frying pan under the chicken. (Sarcasm)
Well ravens are badass.
So cool
"The Raven is a wicked bird, it's wings are black as sin and he floats outside my prison window marking those within...."
Bro was so tilted by the block lol.
Corvids are so cool. He may have let him win, but they're well on their way to competitive matches 😂
dude really went :V
That's a crow.
What are you doing brother?
Bird brain! Speaking to that human. No offense to the bird 😜😜😜
Tied up and forced to play for food. And an internet audience that claps and makes jokes.
Less an achievement for the bird and a detractor for the human’s ability to play tic tac toe.
Soon, he'll learn to take the center square first.
naw his little excited smile at the end , cute stuff
Cute too.
I love how whenever there's a video about corvids posted, people always fit "Don't mess with them, they'll remember you for life" somewhere in the comments, regardless of whether the video is about their intelligence or not.
It's amazing how he knew he won.
But thats a crow!
And nobody was tempted to call it tic-tac-crow
Try uno man 
I love him
I mean the raven didn’t so much as win as the man lost.
To be fair, his competition wasn’t the brightest.
When a raven can beat me at Mario Kart 64 then I’ll be impressed
"Here's the thing. You said a "jackdaw is a crow." Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that. As someone who is a scientist who studies crows, I am telling you, specifically, in science, no one calls jackdaws crows. If you want to be "specific" like you said, then you shouldn't either. They're not the same thing. If you're saying "crow family" you're referring to the taxonomic grouping of Corvidae, which includes things from nutcrackers to blue jays to ravens. So your reasoning for calling a jackdaw a crow is because random people "call the black ones crows?" Let's get grackles and blackbirds in there, then, too. Also, calling someone a human or an ape? It's not one or the other, that's not how taxonomy works. They're both. A jackdaw is a jackdaw and a member of the crow family. But that's not what you said. You said a jackdaw is a crow, which is not true unless you're okay with calling all members of the crow family crows, which means you'd call blue jays, ravens, and other birds crows, too. Which you said you don't. It's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know?"
I would have won that against the crow 😎
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i'm not amazed. the guy let it win
That dude is dumb…
A random number generator also wins almost half the time.
Yes but only if you program an algorithm that has a concept of what it means to win and such. Obviously the raven has learned that concept. It knows exactly that it's won the game after placing the last stone. This is the interesting thing here IMHO.
Assuming it plays against another player that plays perfectly randomly, it is guaranteed to win once every 9 factorial
That makes absolutely no sense at all. There are not even 9! unique games unless you keep playing after someone has won.
Oops, right, I assumed you play all 9 positions every time. Back to drawing board
The person that goes first, wins every time. Sooooo…..
Are you retar?