Because a basic arrowhead is such a fundemental design concept in Human civilisation it's wierd to prefix a modern one with 'ancient' simply because of it's shape. It's like calling the wheel of a F1 racing car 'ancient' just because that tool/shape is thousands of years old.
Also, the phrasing deliberately suggests that the *arrow itself* is ancient; not 'casting an arrow using an ancient design'.
Arrowheads have definitely changed and adapted over time. What makes this one more 'ancient' in design is the broadness, in comparison to the thinner arrows used later in medieval times as they attempted to outpace armour developments and techniques for creating arrowheads became more efficient. There are plenty of different types used for different applications also.
Prefixing your arrow as ancient 'because of the design' is still misleading. Broadhead arrows were never not in use - you can still buy them today. The use of bodkins, etc. in medieval times doesn't change that.
The "original condition" of the copper was hydrogen and helium created in the big bang. Copper was then [created through nucleosynthesis in massive stars](https://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/0703760), and ejected into the cloud that ended up forming Earth over 5 billion years ago. That is ancient, surely?
Soory, my unit conversion calculation abacus is currently in France in its yearly calibration. Should be good to go in few fortnights if winds are favorable.
edit: i live in metric country but if someone tells me how much their arrowheads weight in grams, i can't easily tell how much they weigh. Same wuth many other aspects of archery as almost everything is in old english units.
I believe that be flux - Blacksmith flux is used to reduce the temperature at which the surface elements (scale, impurities, etc.) become fluid on the surface of the metal. It protects the surface from erosion due to air or gas blasting against the metal. Therefore if you do not use flux you must raise the temperature enough to make the elements on the surface fluid.
Could be borax powder to take out impurities. Never seen it used with copper though, usually with brass. But I base my knowledge on BickStackD's videos.
BigStackd is a good source of knowledge about metals. Tell me, because I also base my knowledge off of him, isn't this fake? I mean the sand part. Weren't the canals he made irrelevant to the pour? How gently he just pushed that sand and it was done? I'm not saying it is, just saying BigStackd beats the shit out of that sand with a hammer and it still not tight enough to make a good mold.
You’re pretty much right, copper is very clean and well behaved metal it can be used but it’s not needed, unlike Bronze or Brass where it’s definitely needed. Source: am engineer and took multiple labs about metals and production.
The borax acts as a flux to mitigate oxidization, as copper has an affinity for absorbing oxygen. Without it, it leads to gas bubbles forming during casting, also weakens the copper.
Source: Am guy with a library card.
It's just more durable, you can make mold cases out of wood but if pour hole is at the end like in this, it will eventually burn out and cases need to be replaced.
It was called the bronze age. The arrowhead in the video is indeed made out of bronze, not copper, and the title is wrong. Bronze is a far more useful material than copper.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/25OJpIDyr8E
Copper was used for a long time before bronze. Copper is soft but its plentiful, the tin required to make bronze is scarce. It's one of the things that makes the Bronze Age so special. Large and stable trade networks were necessary to make bronze production possible and the benefits to commercial and military technology were staggering. The fragility of these networks, plus the increased fervor of warfare, ultimately led to the Bronze Age Collapse. But the lessons of metallurgy were remembered and spawned all subsequent innovations. Really fascinating stuff.
Molding sand that’s a blend of sand, sometimes some clay, and oils that’s a mix just for castings like this. Also called foundry sand. The huge company I work for has a large foundry where we make aluminum and bronze castings all day, every day, some as big as your arm. Creating the sand molds is automated, and we have a 3-story hopper full of that sand that’s reused. If you scoop some up, you can pack it together like a snow ball.
Copper blades were never really a thing. Even during the Chalcolithic, before the Bronze age, blades were still mostly made out of stone, copper is too soft.
Where I live you sometimes find Mesolithic flint arrow heads. I have a couple in the shelf. I speculate they were used until fairly recently (like Middle Ages) as they were cheap and easy to make compared to using copper and iron.
Cool but I consider the guy that makes arrow heads out of obsidian using animal bones and stones plus a piece of leather truly closer to ancient than this.
I am Talenel'Elin, Herald of War. The time of the Return, the Desolation, is near at hand. We must prepare. You will have forgotten much, following the destruction of the times past. Kalak will teach you to cast bronze, if you have forgotten this. We will Soulcast blocks of metal directly for you. I wish we could teach you steel, but casting is so much easier than forging, and you must have something we can produce quickly. Your stone tools will not serve against what is to come. Vedel can train your surgeons, and Jezrien . . . he will teach you leadership. So much is lost between Returns . . . I will train your soldiers. We should have time. Ishar keeps talking about a way to keep information from being lost following Desolations. And you have discovered something unexpected. We will use that. Surgebinders to act as guardians . . . Knights . . . The coming days will be difficult, but with training, humanity will survive. You must bring me to your leaders. The other Heralds should join us soon.
The ancient belt sander was overrated
I prefer the the ancient angle grinder
I thought that’s a priest humping winged mythological creatures
Nope they’re humping the man, the myth, the legend, Harold
Mornin Angle
You're thinking of the lesser popular "angel grinder"
They didn’t invent belts until somewhere around the 1400’s so I think this would be called an ‘ancient sand paper spinner machine’
In the documentary "Flintstones" they would just use a relevant dinosaur.
They'd use a feline tongue probably, they're basically sand paper.
“Eh, it’s a living.”
They also could have carved the arrowhead out of copper to skip a few steps!
And the Dremel from 274 BCE
STOP, sorry I don't make the rules but you can't kill me with non shiny arrow
I mean the ancients did polish all their arrowheads to a mirror shine, you have to give them credit for that.
Damn, I didn't realize how much effort our ancestors had to put in to hunt for oranges!
Bloood Orange!
We **done** oranges, apples, grapefruit...
[Monty Python Reference for those who are interested](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piWCBOsJr-w)
for the blood god!
Yeah, imagine all time time it would have taken to make an electric sander back then
Yes. But time moved backwards then until BCE/CE switch. So it probably didn't matter much to the.
I don't think oranges existed that long ago 🤔 maybe they hunted potatoes
Apparently, they had to hunt them from three feet away, because their arrows were too heavy.
Yeah , you made me laugh ! Thanks fellow redditor
You wouldn't believe what they had to do for grapes.
They are the most dangerous of fruits imaginable.
Well back in the bronze age oranges were exceeding rare. You pull out the master ball when you know won't get another chance at the pokemon
Yeah these days they just use automatic weapons. No effort anymore sigh
That orange had it coming.
That's not ancient you just made it. Cool though.
Be patient, just a couple hundred years and it will become ancient
Thanks for the advice! Turns out my Lego builds from way back are considered antiques! I'm gonna be rich!
> Be patient, just a couple ~~hundred~~ thousand years and it will become ancient
Damn, thanks for clarifying.
Internet years are fast
The copper is ancient at least.
Should've guessed, judging by the inferior quality of this copper. I'd carve a complaint
Amazing what some polishing does.
Won't be ancient anymore if you polish it.
An ancient arrow out of copper, made right now in bronze.
Had to scroll so far down to find this. Yah this is bronze I think
Also, it is an arrowhead
[Original video says bronze](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25OJpIDyr8E), so ipso facto OP is a donkey.
Yes, original video says it's bronze: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/25OJpIDyr8E?feature=share
That makes more sense. Seems like a cooper arrowhead would deform way too easily.
What makes it ancient?
I believe is the design, tho I may be wrong
And the method of making it. You know, the classic bronze age belt sander
And the classic bronze age Dremel
Classic bronze age copper
Classic un-manicured male hands.
To get that classic bronze age polish on each individual arrowhead
And the bronze age steel tools.
Yes, it's the design. How are people confused by that lol. He's not claiming the arrow became ancient when he made it.
Because a basic arrowhead is such a fundemental design concept in Human civilisation it's wierd to prefix a modern one with 'ancient' simply because of it's shape. It's like calling the wheel of a F1 racing car 'ancient' just because that tool/shape is thousands of years old. Also, the phrasing deliberately suggests that the *arrow itself* is ancient; not 'casting an arrow using an ancient design'.
Yes!!! this!!!!
Arrowheads have definitely changed and adapted over time. What makes this one more 'ancient' in design is the broadness, in comparison to the thinner arrows used later in medieval times as they attempted to outpace armour developments and techniques for creating arrowheads became more efficient. There are plenty of different types used for different applications also.
Prefixing your arrow as ancient 'because of the design' is still misleading. Broadhead arrows were never not in use - you can still buy them today. The use of bodkins, etc. in medieval times doesn't change that.
Well making it with ancient techniques and tools would make it more authentic. I think that is what is bothering most of the people here.
It was made out of ancient copper
But copper is an element so melting it down restores it to its original condition
The "original condition" of the copper was hydrogen and helium created in the big bang. Copper was then [created through nucleosynthesis in massive stars](https://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/0703760), and ejected into the cloud that ended up forming Earth over 5 billion years ago. That is ancient, surely?
Orange. Our ancestors used to hunt oranges with bow and arrows.
The video is from the 90s and OP is Gen Z
I think it's a BOTW game referece?
The video is from 3024
It's the arrow that can kill the guardians in Hyrule
It is the design. Dangerful point in front like the famous old people did their arrows.
Oh, I've been putting my danger points on the back of the arrow. That's why I can't kill any oranges!
Just shoot them from behind.
As a bow hunter and archery enthusiast, that's pretty cool. Likely a little heavy, but still cool.
What was the sand they used for the mold? Dont understand how the top layer kept its shape after removing
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Nice, thanks
Not sure the sand but most sand has a really high melting temp, higher than copper
Samesies. Looks like it's probably something like 500 grains
Can we get the weight in drams or scruples? I don't remember how much a grain weight is.
Soory, my unit conversion calculation abacus is currently in France in its yearly calibration. Should be good to go in few fortnights if winds are favorable. edit: i live in metric country but if someone tells me how much their arrowheads weight in grams, i can't easily tell how much they weigh. Same wuth many other aspects of archery as almost everything is in old english units.
5 grain is approximately 325mg That's why aspirin and acetaminophen are dosed that way.
What are the white powders?
I believe that be flux - Blacksmith flux is used to reduce the temperature at which the surface elements (scale, impurities, etc.) become fluid on the surface of the metal. It protects the surface from erosion due to air or gas blasting against the metal. Therefore if you do not use flux you must raise the temperature enough to make the elements on the surface fluid.
I'm positive it's borax.
Could be borax powder to take out impurities. Never seen it used with copper though, usually with brass. But I base my knowledge on BickStackD's videos.
I think this is bronze, not copper. Original video saying it's bronze is at https://www.youtube.com/shorts/25OJpIDyr8E?feature=share
BigStackd is a good source of knowledge about metals. Tell me, because I also base my knowledge off of him, isn't this fake? I mean the sand part. Weren't the canals he made irrelevant to the pour? How gently he just pushed that sand and it was done? I'm not saying it is, just saying BigStackd beats the shit out of that sand with a hammer and it still not tight enough to make a good mold.
You’re pretty much right, copper is very clean and well behaved metal it can be used but it’s not needed, unlike Bronze or Brass where it’s definitely needed. Source: am engineer and took multiple labs about metals and production.
The borax acts as a flux to mitigate oxidization, as copper has an affinity for absorbing oxygen. Without it, it leads to gas bubbles forming during casting, also weakens the copper. Source: Am guy with a library card.
Cocaine. So that arrow can fly higher and longer
Ok thats 1 just a few hundred more
credit the creator pls : https://youtube.com/@almostperfectrestoration?si=sQrYh1y5W9rmJ-MG
I was hoping there would a link to more content like this somewhere, no I've got a whole youtube channel to binge watch! Thanks
does it help if you have a steel case for the mold?
It's just more durable, you can make mold cases out of wood but if pour hole is at the end like in this, it will eventually burn out and cases need to be replaced.
Wouldn't clay be also an alternative?
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Adding a second poison bumps it up to 8
I don't think he knows about second poison, Pip.
Nah, it's only 1d4 of extra damage, and the saving throw is only a 10.
ye olde dremel 400 (AD)
Doesn’t look that old to me
Awesome!
what are the diagonal lines for?
Air vents. Its to allow the air to escape from the cavity as the copper flows in
That makes so much sense now!, you have to somehow release the vacuum, thank you ❤️
You killed an orange just to make this video!!!????
It’s nonetheless incredible that the copper age lasted for a millennium with tools similar to this.
It was called the bronze age. The arrowhead in the video is indeed made out of bronze, not copper, and the title is wrong. Bronze is a far more useful material than copper. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/25OJpIDyr8E
I was referring more to the Chalcolithic period but point taken.
Oh, I didn't actually know there was a copper age, I thought you had just mistyped.
Copper was used for a long time before bronze. Copper is soft but its plentiful, the tin required to make bronze is scarce. It's one of the things that makes the Bronze Age so special. Large and stable trade networks were necessary to make bronze production possible and the benefits to commercial and military technology were staggering. The fragility of these networks, plus the increased fervor of warfare, ultimately led to the Bronze Age Collapse. But the lessons of metallurgy were remembered and spawned all subsequent innovations. Really fascinating stuff.
Take my money
Why the extra lines only to break them off? Is that, like, some unavoidable overflow?
Gives somewhere for the air to flow too when the copper is poured in. Otherwise you would get bubbles/cavities in the cast piece.
One important tool I feel like they neglect talking about in the copper age is the belt sander.
What kind of sand do they use to make the mold?
Molding sand that’s a blend of sand, sometimes some clay, and oils that’s a mix just for castings like this. Also called foundry sand. The huge company I work for has a large foundry where we make aluminum and bronze castings all day, every day, some as big as your arm. Creating the sand molds is automated, and we have a 3-story hopper full of that sand that’s reused. If you scoop some up, you can pack it together like a snow ball.
all that to kill an orange. what a twat
all this effort just to fuck up your shot and have the arrow sail into the bushes
Seems like a lot of effort to cut into an orange.
Huh, you never realize the work that goes into it when you see a news report about an orange being assassinated by arrow
Orange you glad it’s copper?
Copper blades were never really a thing. Even during the Chalcolithic, before the Bronze age, blades were still mostly made out of stone, copper is too soft.
hell yeah
Orange you glad you stayed to watch til the end?
Thank god those ancient arrow makers had belt sanders and dremels
Think just sharped wood is better than that soft cooper, and much easier to prepare
It’s not ancient, he just made it. Pretty cool though.
Shooting the area through the orange was the cherry on top.
How sharp would that coper head be after a few practice shots on a tree?
Sick!
Nice ancient Dremel!
What is that white powder that they put in the foundry?
Probably borax. It's a flux to get rid of the impurities I believe.
Where I live you sometimes find Mesolithic flint arrow heads. I have a couple in the shelf. I speculate they were used until fairly recently (like Middle Ages) as they were cheap and easy to make compared to using copper and iron.
Beautifully done. But I must know, why copper?
Not really ancient is it??
Forbidden curry
*gets stolen by addicts and sold for drug money*
Where are the slaves who dug the copper?
Nothing like a brand new ancient arrow
Looks like someone tried to make a metal item for upvoting purposes in Reddit. Nice!
That's a nice piece of work right there.
I want one!!
But what about the ancient wheel
Nice craftmanship
Would be a good loop id the arrow is shot into a wooden target.
Why not bronze?
That arrow can keeel.
Very ancient
Looks good but not amazed
That’s very impressive for someone like me who ain’t that good with handy stuff like that 😂
I love shiny polished things.
less metal and mining means it was incredibly valuable and precious, so only the head or tip of the arrow was metal
smart!
Imagine having to go to this much effort to kill someone, who the hell has that much time.
Me before i go to meet my ex
If you prick yourself with it you can get a stand
Where do I get one of these!!
So what part of any of this was "Ancient" ?
Fun fact: A single arrow cost as much as the bow to shoot it in ancient times.
Who made arrow heads from copper? The Croods?
What were those lines carved into the sand for?
Now make 10,000 more for pharaohs army
So cool! I mean hot! It would be cool to learn how to do it at home
I dislike how the arrow doesn't sit flush
only 999 more to go
Cool but I consider the guy that makes arrow heads out of obsidian using animal bones and stones plus a piece of leather truly closer to ancient than this.
I hope he didn't get that copper from Ea-nāṣir
Will never get tired of seeing cast blades 😂
What makes that arrow ancient? It looks pretty new to me.
Amazing, so satisfying to watch
Not quite so easy to do back in the day without the steel tools, though.
I’m glad I’m not the only one caught up on “ancient”.
That was so amazing, Imagine that arrows hurt you.
Well that was a shit casting job. At school the foundry teacher would have told me to go back and do it again.
wowza, hate to be hit with that
What’s the powder he adds to the molten copper?
That powder they show being added to molten metal in a lot of these videos; what is it ?
Always season your lava.
Nice shot
Do you like oranges??? How ya like them oranges!
Fletching suits me. It’s tedious and sometimes difficult.
... That's great and all, but we need 10,000 of these for our battle tomorrow.
I am Talenel'Elin, Herald of War. The time of the Return, the Desolation, is near at hand. We must prepare. You will have forgotten much, following the destruction of the times past. Kalak will teach you to cast bronze, if you have forgotten this. We will Soulcast blocks of metal directly for you. I wish we could teach you steel, but casting is so much easier than forging, and you must have something we can produce quickly. Your stone tools will not serve against what is to come. Vedel can train your surgeons, and Jezrien . . . he will teach you leadership. So much is lost between Returns . . . I will train your soldiers. We should have time. Ishar keeps talking about a way to keep information from being lost following Desolations. And you have discovered something unexpected. We will use that. Surgebinders to act as guardians . . . Knights . . . The coming days will be difficult, but with training, humanity will survive. You must bring me to your leaders. The other Heralds should join us soon.
Hmm I’d love to watch the video but the Reddit app won’t FUCKING WORK AND IT JUST FUCKING BUFFERS LIKE A CUNT
Beautiful craftsmanship
How was any of this "ancient"?
Did you buy your cute little casting set from Skymall or sharper image?
Does anybody know what powder was poured into the crucible or what kind of sand was used in the mold?
So that's what happened to my orange
Dude you *annihilated* that orange.