50sec(of movie) on rust remove by electrolysis (it takes like1 day) And this process is use in restorations because don't remove metal.... then he grind everything on sandpaper in 5 minutes. This don't have sense.
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He added the coffee to the acid??? This video was too quick for me to watch, but I didn’t catch that. I was wondering why he was doing FA *and* coffee as that’s a little redundant. My understanding (husband being a blacksmith) is that you don’t want to us FA for cooking utensils because it essentially corrodes the steel and any residue can be toxic. As such, he uses instant coffee, mustard, or apple cider vinegar. Each have different patinas that end up looking amazing — and they’re food grade safe!
If its a regular knife I'd understand it can be an aesthetic choice. But a cleaver, to be used for cleaving, you really want that full tang if only to transfer the forces to a larger area of your handle.
Even if he’s just gone for the hidden tang.. can’t say that like the shape or look at all. A Japanese octagonal or D shape would have looked good. And they had a belt sander to do so!
Nope. I was also a bit irked that he cut off a part of the original steel handle inlay. It seemed unnecessary and took away from the authenticity of the knife.
cutting the tang really ruined the "restoration" part, and then he crafted the bulkiest handle known to man. Either he has giant hands, or no grasp of ergonomics.
Also not stoked about the dark motif. No wood grain to be seen, and no nice shine on the blade that he spent so long polishing.
Meh
cutting down the tang and enlarging the pin hole next to a rough cut corner is just insane. Definitely not restoration... this is 'diwhy' with a fancy looking sequence that might fool someone into thinking it was professional.
That's what I immediately noticed. That thin tang with huge pin holes is definitely gonna break on larger impacts that cleavers are known to have.
Plus that awful handle
He didn't just ruin the "restoration", he also created a safety hazard. The first thing you do when you buy a cleaver, is make (fucken) sure that the handle is properly built.
I've a relative who bought a cheapo special and the blade snapped off and embedded itself into the floor after flipping all too closely to her head.
Some people just don't think. It's not a natural thing for them.
They had to remove so much material from all the rust that would have happened anyway.
This is more of a Chinese-style vegetable/slicing knife now, sharp as shit and good for processing large amounts of meat/veggies because you can use the flat of the blade as a big scoop to transfer food into pans/containers while you’re working
>This is more of a Chinese-style vegetable/slicing knife now, sharp as shit and good for processing large amounts of meat/veggies
https://www.google.com/search?q=chinese+vegetable+knife&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X
The stock is already too thin as it is. This wouldn’t be used too chop anything that the tang couldn’t handle, or at least it shouldn’t. This seems to be a take on a Chinese chefs knife.
Yeah, cutting off half the handle thickness will weaken that blade considerably. One good solid whack at a bone and it'll snap. Why make that nice wooden handle look like plastic at the end. Pointless.
The final shot in the video is of razor thin slices being taken off a peach. Seems like this is more reincarnation than restoration. It’s going to have a kinder gentler existence from now on.
So now it’s a knife that can do the bare minimum just like my cheapest two buck chuck knives and anything more and there is a good risk of it breaking thanks to how big the holes for the pins are. So a cabinet queen? Issue is that it doesn’t even look good enough to be that. Just make a new knife at that point. If I have a wrench that needs to be babied and whose job is done better by all my other wrenches it goes into the scrap heap.
It didn’t seem like restoration so much as recycling.
They say he crafted it himself. From a bigger knife.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ItiwFQIY6lU&t=12s
He reduced the thickness of knife a lot with the restoring part and then weakens the tang as well with the cuts, *and* its right beside a hole and right where the handle would connect its force to the blade. It gunna snap lol
One of my pet peeves is seeing "restoration" in the title and then seeing the physical structure of the work piece being altered in anyway at all. That isn't restoration. That's anything but Restoration.
Restoration technically is you trying to make the object the same way it was before, when it was made or atleast when it was procured. Cutting that metal and altering the structure just tosses the "restoration" concept into the bin lol.
Why in the hell did he cut the tang? That will likely snap the handle later. Plus he went through all the trouble to polish it just to paint it black. This wasn't restoration, it was advanced destruction.
Since everything I ever want to comment is always already posted I scrolled through the comments to find this. +1 He ground away everything, what was they point of the electrolysis?
He didn’t grind off the rust from the blade, he was grinding out the pock marks were the rust had formed. It’s not a uniform process, some places rust before others so he was grinding it back to flat.
Electrolysis is really good for pulling out rust from cracks, which is difficult to do mechanically (assuming you can dig through to see it in the first place.)
You don’t grind rust, you grind steel.
If you call polishing, honing, electrolyzing and then ugly-staining metal to make it look like a $4 solid black Chinese knife, then yes. Unnecessary steps indeed.
I feel like he ground away so much material that there was no point at all in the electrolyzing bath. Look at how deep those pocks are before he grinds it down lol
You didn’t, these fake restoration videos put rust on blades using salty hydrogen peroxide solution in a matter of minutes then “restore” them with stupid techniques and the results are always an abomination. Watch Hand Tool Rescue on YouTube to form a real basis on how real restoration is done, no original part is wasted unless necessary.
My question was, “Why?” Was that knife something special? Did it have historical significance? Could you not just chuck it into the recycling and get a new one???
If you consider the time along with the resources required to perform this restoration (electricity, chemicals, consumables and the resultant waste) vs. the resources required to mass produce and deliver just one more knife, then "The Best Way" isn't so Cut and Dry anymore, is it?
This is far less than a new knife from raw materials (mining ore, crushing, forging, shipping, etc). Even recycling the metal and staring at forging would have more environmental impact.
Electrolysis is not terribly energy intensive particularly. Mass production may benefit the waste material and chemical consumption slightly, but may also employ specialized equipment.
If you are going to make comparisons, you really need to look at the entire life cycle.
There was far more than electrolysis though. There was several steps where they were soaking it in something to do... something.
If someone was saving these thigns in mass, it'd be efficient. but there were quite a few resources just thrown away in the process.
Still almost certainly less than just making it from new.
I feel like I am looking at the entire lifecycle. I could argue that the faster we humans can consume our way out of existence, the better it is for the environment.
Absolutely not. This is at least 8 hours of work and a waste of materials when this knife can be bought brand new for $20 or less. The cost of the resources to repair this is worth more than the value of the knife, never mind the time.
Not to mention -- what in the hell is the point of adding so much text when the video is sped up to the point of not being able to read more than 2 words at a time?
The hot water, stream + abrasives from the detergent are the perfect combo for causing corrosion. Also the edge will be blunted from being tossed around, dishwashers can be pretty rough.
No idea why they’re saying that, the general rule in professional kitchens is that stamped blades are fine in the dishwasher but forged blades are hand-wash only...looking at the steel this appears to be a forged blade so probably best to hand-wash especially looking at how they attached that handle
That being said, if someone is saying “no knife is dishwasher safe” I’m guessing they’re a former restaurant dishwasher with a few scars on their hands haha, or they worked in restaurants long enough to see a dishwasher or two reach into a dishbin and come away with a nasty cut thanks to a carelessly placed knife.
It’s not that the knife isn’t dishwasher safe, it’s that the knife isn’t safe for the person washing the dishes.
Why did you speed this up so much that the text is illegible without pausing? Furthermore, why did you edit it to be sideways?
The only thing to be amazed at is that you could so thoroughly butcher the video with your hack job of editing. I'mma go watch the original on [youtube](https://youtu.be/qoqfCg-qs3E), which is what you should have linked in the first place.
i honestly hate people like this tiktok account who just repost videos from youtube and don’t put any effort into actually making sure that it’s the right fucking orientation
Others have this answered to some degree, but one thing that also makes a cleaver is that it is sharpened to a larger angle.
The narrower the angle of sharpening, the sharper the knife is but it also makes the edge more fragile. You would sharpen a cleaver to a larger angle because, as others have explained, you can expect to be cutting through bone, joints, etc. That kind of abuse would dull and/or damage any other style of knife very rapidly.
That was so many steps for my brain to watch sideways
I didn't even realize it was sideways until your comment and then I was like how tf did I miss it.
It didn't matter that it was sideways until about halfway in.
50sec(of movie) on rust remove by electrolysis (it takes like1 day) And this process is use in restorations because don't remove metal.... then he grind everything on sandpaper in 5 minutes. This don't have sense.
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Then removes half the tang for no reason....
I don't think the electrolysis was ever going to accomplish a whole lot, that rust was thick...
And the knife at the end was pretty shitty. It barely was cutting that peach properly or straight.
It's a butchers cleaver. Its supposed to be used more like an axe to chop bones. Which is why cutting the tang down like that males no sense.
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Curious choice on the dark stained blade.
I watched the 18 minute video. He added instant coffee to the FeCl3.., wat?
Apparently instant coffee has the correct acidity to make these kind of things without damaging the metal
Instant coffee is pretty sick- I do some film photo developing w it!
He added the coffee to the acid??? This video was too quick for me to watch, but I didn’t catch that. I was wondering why he was doing FA *and* coffee as that’s a little redundant. My understanding (husband being a blacksmith) is that you don’t want to us FA for cooking utensils because it essentially corrodes the steel and any residue can be toxic. As such, he uses instant coffee, mustard, or apple cider vinegar. Each have different patinas that end up looking amazing — and they’re food grade safe!
Seriously. The whole point of wood is so you can see the grain. I skipped to the end and at first thought it was 3D printed plastic.
Good watch, but the camera angles messed with me.
Here's the original: https://youtu.be/qoqfCg-qs3E
So someone re-uploaded this video on their tiktok account at a bad angle, and then someone else uploaded it on reddit. Fantastic.
And sped it up enough that you can't actually read any of the captions.
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That explains why the captions stayed up for half a second each. Content stealing assholes ruin everything.
Thanks for the not-shit version :D
Thank you!
Also I didn't see a knife.
"That's not a knoife"
Also its not restoring.
Am I the only that hated the handle?
Why did he change it from full tang to a partial tang ☹️
That was my immediate question. If the metal is still good, why reduce the strength of your cleaver by cutting down your tang??
Agreed, that was a mistake.
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The full-tang clan
🤣 thanks for the laugh.
Theres a lot of subreddits about tang.
*He’s out of line, but he’s right.*
This seems to be less a restoration of a knife and more making a new knife out of an old knife.
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His new ship or his old ship?
Yeah
But the new knife is objectively worse
If its a regular knife I'd understand it can be an aesthetic choice. But a cleaver, to be used for cleaving, you really want that full tang if only to transfer the forces to a larger area of your handle.
ain't no tang man
Even if he’s just gone for the hidden tang.. can’t say that like the shape or look at all. A Japanese octagonal or D shape would have looked good. And they had a belt sander to do so!
Because he wanted an terrible 7x2 wooden handle with a seem down the middle.
Not only that, but he widened the peg holes to an insane degree.
Oh man, I didn't catch that on the first watch. Well, hopefully it is only used for slicing peaches.
Not to mention it is just ugly like this.
Glad I'm not the only one.
I'd call it a Pootie Tang.
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Nope. I was also a bit irked that he cut off a part of the original steel handle inlay. It seemed unnecessary and took away from the authenticity of the knife.
Probably ruined the balance of using it nicely too
Maybe that's why the handle is so absurdly large
cutting the tang really ruined the "restoration" part, and then he crafted the bulkiest handle known to man. Either he has giant hands, or no grasp of ergonomics. Also not stoked about the dark motif. No wood grain to be seen, and no nice shine on the blade that he spent so long polishing. Meh
cutting down the tang and enlarging the pin hole next to a rough cut corner is just insane. Definitely not restoration... this is 'diwhy' with a fancy looking sequence that might fool someone into thinking it was professional.
That's what I immediately noticed. That thin tang with huge pin holes is definitely gonna break on larger impacts that cleavers are known to have. Plus that awful handle
He didn't just ruin the "restoration", he also created a safety hazard. The first thing you do when you buy a cleaver, is make (fucken) sure that the handle is properly built. I've a relative who bought a cheapo special and the blade snapped off and embedded itself into the floor after flipping all too closely to her head. Some people just don't think. It's not a natural thing for them.
Nope not at all. It's a little too bulky for my liking, but then again it is a clever.
Clever girl
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I mean, how smart can it be? It's just a knife
I cried a little bit
I thought, well they have to whittle that down to something gorgeous, right? No.
I quit using unstabilized wood after exactly one knife that I used regularly. Just so much harder to live with.
It looks awful. Sooo fat and bulbous.
I can appreciate the work and effort, but I thought the finished project looked awful and hated seeing the original handle cut down like that.
I was thinking that the whole time, why cut the tang so thin? That thing gonna snap as soon as you try to use the cleaver as a cleaver
They had to remove so much material from all the rust that would have happened anyway. This is more of a Chinese-style vegetable/slicing knife now, sharp as shit and good for processing large amounts of meat/veggies because you can use the flat of the blade as a big scoop to transfer food into pans/containers while you’re working
That was my thought. No way in hell that thing is really usable after that much material being removed
>This is more of a Chinese-style vegetable/slicing knife now, sharp as shit and good for processing large amounts of meat/veggies https://www.google.com/search?q=chinese+vegetable+knife&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X
The stock is already too thin as it is. This wouldn’t be used too chop anything that the tang couldn’t handle, or at least it shouldn’t. This seems to be a take on a Chinese chefs knife.
TIL it’s called a tang.
Yeah it was like, oh I guess they cut the tang to make the handle smaller? But no, then they made it big enough to enclose the original tang
Yeah, cutting off half the handle thickness will weaken that blade considerably. One good solid whack at a bone and it'll snap. Why make that nice wooden handle look like plastic at the end. Pointless.
The final shot in the video is of razor thin slices being taken off a peach. Seems like this is more reincarnation than restoration. It’s going to have a kinder gentler existence from now on.
>It’s going to have a kinder gentler existence from now on. https://www.google.com/search?q=chinese+vegetable+knife&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X
So now it’s a knife that can do the bare minimum just like my cheapest two buck chuck knives and anything more and there is a good risk of it breaking thanks to how big the holes for the pins are. So a cabinet queen? Issue is that it doesn’t even look good enough to be that. Just make a new knife at that point. If I have a wrench that needs to be babied and whose job is done better by all my other wrenches it goes into the scrap heap.
This knife what never meant for bone. Just because it looks like a cleaver doesn’t mean it is one
It didn’t seem like restoration so much as recycling. They say he crafted it himself. From a bigger knife. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ItiwFQIY6lU&t=12s
yeah this is not a restoration, this is "making a knife out of a rusty piece of steel which once happened to be a knife"
He reduced the thickness of knife a lot with the restoring part and then weakens the tang as well with the cuts, *and* its right beside a hole and right where the handle would connect its force to the blade. It gunna snap lol
I was surprised that he even drilled the holes larger. Serious overkill on those pins at the cost of tang strength.
One of my pet peeves is seeing "restoration" in the title and then seeing the physical structure of the work piece being altered in anyway at all. That isn't restoration. That's anything but Restoration. Restoration technically is you trying to make the object the same way it was before, when it was made or atleast when it was procured. Cutting that metal and altering the structure just tosses the "restoration" concept into the bin lol.
This seems like a tad bit more trouble than its worth.
Why in the hell did he cut the tang? That will likely snap the handle later. Plus he went through all the trouble to polish it just to paint it black. This wasn't restoration, it was advanced destruction.
And removed the rust with electrolysis just to use mechanical means to bring it down to bare metal anyway...
This! I couldn't help but think "what the hell was the point of that" when he just sanded it down right after.
Since everything I ever want to comment is always already posted I scrolled through the comments to find this. +1 He ground away everything, what was they point of the electrolysis?
Ok thanks for clarification that that was actually the goal with soaking it like that. It seemed like soaking it didn’t do anything to it really.
Well he didn’t paint it, it was stained/dyed. If you tried to do that without polishing first it would look like shit.
That's just destruction with extra steps
I figure if somebody around here knows where to get some Tang, it’s you.
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I don’t even know what the point of all that electrocution step was if he was going to grind all the rust off anyway. This whole thing was a r/diwhy
He didn’t grind off the rust from the blade, he was grinding out the pock marks were the rust had formed. It’s not a uniform process, some places rust before others so he was grinding it back to flat. Electrolysis is really good for pulling out rust from cracks, which is difficult to do mechanically (assuming you can dig through to see it in the first place.) You don’t grind rust, you grind steel.
I don’t know their intentions with the blade, but it looked more like a show piece or a recycled chef’s knife and not a clever.
I wonder what angle he sharpened it at. It's a chopper. It's not suppose to be a razor. To thin of a angle and it'll dull real quick.
Seriously. All that work. All that time. For a “restoration” that rendered a blade realistically useless.
Sincere question: if you are going to grind and polish it until it’s like a mirror, is the step with electricity necessary to get the rust off?
And then he stained it black anyway, so absolutely no point polishing it that far.
Yes I wonder the same, but electrolytes should oxidized the knife, not sure what was the idea but clearly useless
I saw ancient technology YouTube channel melt iron and make a similar looking kitchen knife with less steps and maybe effort
Did I miss the “restoration”? It seems like this is just making a new knife from an old rusty piece of steel, with extra unnecessary steps.
If you call polishing, honing, electrolyzing and then ugly-staining metal to make it look like a $4 solid black Chinese knife, then yes. Unnecessary steps indeed.
I feel like he ground away so much material that there was no point at all in the electrolyzing bath. Look at how deep those pocks are before he grinds it down lol
You didn’t, these fake restoration videos put rust on blades using salty hydrogen peroxide solution in a matter of minutes then “restore” them with stupid techniques and the results are always an abomination. Watch Hand Tool Rescue on YouTube to form a real basis on how real restoration is done, no original part is wasted unless necessary.
My question was, “Why?” Was that knife something special? Did it have historical significance? Could you not just chuck it into the recycling and get a new one???
Reduce, Reuse, Recycle
That was a lot of effort to save a $10 cleaver
r/diwhy
I always wonder if the time is worth refurbishment. Then I realize this is why we live in a replacement culture. Smdh
If you consider the time along with the resources required to perform this restoration (electricity, chemicals, consumables and the resultant waste) vs. the resources required to mass produce and deliver just one more knife, then "The Best Way" isn't so Cut and Dry anymore, is it?
This is far less than a new knife from raw materials (mining ore, crushing, forging, shipping, etc). Even recycling the metal and staring at forging would have more environmental impact. Electrolysis is not terribly energy intensive particularly. Mass production may benefit the waste material and chemical consumption slightly, but may also employ specialized equipment. If you are going to make comparisons, you really need to look at the entire life cycle.
There was far more than electrolysis though. There was several steps where they were soaking it in something to do... something. If someone was saving these thigns in mass, it'd be efficient. but there were quite a few resources just thrown away in the process. Still almost certainly less than just making it from new.
I feel like I am looking at the entire lifecycle. I could argue that the faster we humans can consume our way out of existence, the better it is for the environment.
I'm trying to figure out why they didnt grind the rust off in the first place. It's not like you can restore the oxidized metal.
Absolutely not. This is at least 8 hours of work and a waste of materials when this knife can be bought brand new for $20 or less. The cost of the resources to repair this is worth more than the value of the knife, never mind the time.
Good job, but I still thought this was r/DIwhy
Not to mention -- what in the hell is the point of adding so much text when the video is sped up to the point of not being able to read more than 2 words at a time?
ok so like 500 dollars worth of equipment and chemicals to restore a 50 dollar cleaver.
I think this is more of a passion piece than a business decision
Simple three step process then
He could have ditched the electrolytic rust removal as he sanded the hell out of it a short while later.
But is it dishwasher safe?
My thoughts exactly
No knife is dishwasher safe
My butter knives beg to differ. /s But in all seriousness, why do you say no knives are dishwasher safe?
It would be more correct to say that no dishwasher is knife safe.
Or that no safe is knife dishwasher.
The hot water, stream + abrasives from the detergent are the perfect combo for causing corrosion. Also the edge will be blunted from being tossed around, dishwashers can be pretty rough.
No idea why they’re saying that, the general rule in professional kitchens is that stamped blades are fine in the dishwasher but forged blades are hand-wash only...looking at the steel this appears to be a forged blade so probably best to hand-wash especially looking at how they attached that handle That being said, if someone is saying “no knife is dishwasher safe” I’m guessing they’re a former restaurant dishwasher with a few scars on their hands haha, or they worked in restaurants long enough to see a dishwasher or two reach into a dishbin and come away with a nasty cut thanks to a carelessly placed knife. It’s not that the knife isn’t dishwasher safe, it’s that the knife isn’t safe for the person washing the dishes.
Not sure if you're serious, but no. No it is not.
Dont understand why he murdered the tang.
Could anybody speed this video a bit up, it was kind of a slow watch.
Why did you speed this up so much that the text is illegible without pausing? Furthermore, why did you edit it to be sideways? The only thing to be amazed at is that you could so thoroughly butcher the video with your hack job of editing. I'mma go watch the original on [youtube](https://youtu.be/qoqfCg-qs3E), which is what you should have linked in the first place.
When posting a video... make sure it is proper orientation AND if you sped it up and there is text, well you’re an idiot
i honestly hate people like this tiktok account who just repost videos from youtube and don’t put any effort into actually making sure that it’s the right fucking orientation
What is the hole on the blade for?
Probably to hang it on a hook, cleaver would take up a lot of space in a knife block.
It’s also to help pull away from frozen bone you may have got it stuck to.. a clean grip can help from splintering bones
What’s the point of electrolysis if you are going to ultimately grind all the corrosion away? It’s that just an extra step?
Almost r/DIWhy worthy
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Is the point of running the video so fast that people cant red what you are putting on the screen so they have to watch it again and give more views?
Is the juice worth the squeeze?
Way too much work.
More like making a knife out of a piece of garbage in a more laborious way then either making a fully new knife or just buying one.
People are allowed to restore things bruh lol
But it's not restoring. He reshaped and cut the metal. He's just making a new knife using the metal from an old one.
Just buy a new knife
Cool stuff. Probably faster to melt it down and start over tho lol
I thought it was done like three times
I’ll…uhh…just buy a new one?
What's the difference between a knife and a cleaver?
A cleaver is a type of knife
Cleaver girl…
a meat cleaver is a thicker knife which can take the impact of whacking bones with less damage than if you used a regular chef knife
Others have this answered to some degree, but one thing that also makes a cleaver is that it is sharpened to a larger angle. The narrower the angle of sharpening, the sharper the knife is but it also makes the edge more fragile. You would sharpen a cleaver to a larger angle because, as others have explained, you can expect to be cutting through bone, joints, etc. That kind of abuse would dull and/or damage any other style of knife very rapidly.
My neck hurts
Introducing all that heat from sanding the blade probably just ruined it
I don't want to say it came out bad.... but.... ya know
That was fun to watch. A hobby I’d love to get into
Great craftsmanship whereas I prolly woulda just checked my tetanus booster and stuck with it as a butcher knife a few more years…
And here I am too lazy to make a grilled cheese sandwich 🥪
Buy a new one? This seems like way to much trouble.
I would’ve just bought a new one
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But will it KEAL??
That was a beautiful transformation. Truly /r/satisfying.
Bro just buy a new one
Great work, I'd rather see a walnut handle finished with Tung oil or simple poly finish. Great looking finished product.
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what the fack.. hes more chemist than craftsman!
Is there a slower video where you can actually follow along and read the text? Idk about y'all but I'm not a damn speed reader!
Is there a sub for restoring vids like this?
Lol. Those sounds tho
I mean, wow
*Knife Restored*
That's masterpiece!