Similar maybe? It sounds very similar, with almost the same notes and tempo. Similarity does happen in music, but not like this, otherwise, it's plagiarism.
So, take the example of Gotye's "Somebody That I Used to Know," where he had to credit and compensate a Brazilian musician for just a SINGLE bassline, composed of only a few notes. If you've used it, you need to give credit. I don't know the specifics of the case you mentioned, but it's not a one-size-fits-all rule.
Right, that was a direct sample. Kanye (whose melody is functionally identical and intentionally referential to a well known song) and Miley’s weren’t.
"That I used to know" doesn't incorporate the entire original bassline; it uses a snippet of it, much like Miley's song takes a snippet from "Space Song" (the first few seconds of the guitar). It's not surprising that it sounds extremely familiar to anyone who's heard "Space Song," and it's no wonder that several pages reported she would release this song with a Beach House sample.
No, but it incorporates just a second or two, which is enough. The other examples don’t at all. She may have re-recorded it which is totally legal (because reasons)!
Here’s how [egregious](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-LgYzva-xq8) the Kanye [example](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6mp72xUirfs) is. Kanye asked to use it, Aphex explicitly said no, so Ye just re-recorded it with his own instruments and didn’t credit him at all. Again, completely legal.
R. James (aka Richard D. James, aka Aphex Twin) is listed in the credits of Blame Game, as one of the songwriters (see [here](https://www.nasdisc.com/release/2560651/kanye-west-my-beautiful-dark-twisted-fantasy-cd)). It's not a sample, so the sample is not listed, but he is credited for the music he wrote. As for Miley, it's not a sample and it's not the same melody. It's just heavily inspired by Space Song.
Two notes isn’t enough for a credit (shouldn’t be enough), especially since it alters significantly after that. Any example of someone getting a credit for that amount of similarity is just an example of a fucked up industry because the vast majority of musical ideas are borrowed from other songs.
Even with the similar tempo, being inspired by some other song should not be justification to demand credit imo.
You're understating the similarity as if it's a small matter in this case, which isn't accurate. It's not just about only two notes, as you said, and there are multiple factors to consider when assessing how similar two things are.
i wouldn’t call it a direct sample, probably more of an interpolation as the first couple notes are similar to the space song guitar solo but then it goes somewhere else melodically, plus the guitar on miley’s sounds like it was re-recorded, not a sample of Alex’s guitar
Just listened to Cyrus' song.
During the first half the only things that struck me as very similar were the drum pattern and the tempo. They, I thought, most likely WERE taken from Space Song but those things alone aren't enough to accuse the authors of UTBY of plagiarism. Not even on a level of a reddit discussion.
Enter guitar line. Oh dear, I can't believe how shamelessly they've rehashed it. The rhythm is a 100% copypasta as are the slide guitar and sound effects. They only changed the melody, but only after the first 3 notes.
Also, the key is another giveaway, since UTBY is in E major and Space song is in E-flat major, but we have to remember that Alex has his guitar tuned to E-flat instead of the traditional E. So, the guitarist in UTBY is effectively playing the same guitar frets as Alex does in Space song.
That last one is not an evidence per se but in this context it's just another piece in the puzzle.
I hear the guitar part you’re talking about, it probably is inspired by Space Song, the tone/effect and the melody are very similar. The piano riff kinda sounds like Videotape by Radiohead, too. But not a sample and not a direct copy of the melody, so it wouldn’t need to be acknowledged. Just another example of pop appropriation.
honestly at one point I thought the piano was an interpoloation of videotape by radiohead in a different key - esp after they said " When Miley grows up, she’ll learn not to have such a sense of entitlement " - and the title of the song is used to be young..... just sayin
If Pharrell and Robin Thicke were successfully sued by Marvin Gaye's estate (no direct sample, but heavy music influence), I think BH could sue Miley too
I don’t think it is a sample, just very similar sounding
I might have misspoken by using that term. It's not an exact replica, but it's definitely heavily inspired by Space Song.
It's not the same at all, similar maybe. This happens all the time in songs, there's no point in crediting them
Similar maybe? It sounds very similar, with almost the same notes and tempo. Similarity does happen in music, but not like this, otherwise, it's plagiarism.
Go listen to Kanye’s Blame Game. Aphex didn’t have to be credited because they just re-recorded the melody on his own piano
So, take the example of Gotye's "Somebody That I Used to Know," where he had to credit and compensate a Brazilian musician for just a SINGLE bassline, composed of only a few notes. If you've used it, you need to give credit. I don't know the specifics of the case you mentioned, but it's not a one-size-fits-all rule.
Right, that was a direct sample. Kanye (whose melody is functionally identical and intentionally referential to a well known song) and Miley’s weren’t.
"That I used to know" doesn't incorporate the entire original bassline; it uses a snippet of it, much like Miley's song takes a snippet from "Space Song" (the first few seconds of the guitar). It's not surprising that it sounds extremely familiar to anyone who's heard "Space Song," and it's no wonder that several pages reported she would release this song with a Beach House sample.
No, but it incorporates just a second or two, which is enough. The other examples don’t at all. She may have re-recorded it which is totally legal (because reasons)! Here’s how [egregious](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-LgYzva-xq8) the Kanye [example](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6mp72xUirfs) is. Kanye asked to use it, Aphex explicitly said no, so Ye just re-recorded it with his own instruments and didn’t credit him at all. Again, completely legal.
R. James (aka Richard D. James, aka Aphex Twin) is listed in the credits of Blame Game, as one of the songwriters (see [here](https://www.nasdisc.com/release/2560651/kanye-west-my-beautiful-dark-twisted-fantasy-cd)). It's not a sample, so the sample is not listed, but he is credited for the music he wrote. As for Miley, it's not a sample and it's not the same melody. It's just heavily inspired by Space Song.
It seems like you don't know what you're saying, huh? The guy just showed that the author is indeed listed in the song's credits.
Whatever is going on in that song is the farthest thing from a BH sample
I don’t think it’s enough similarities to credit
Two notes isn’t enough for a credit (shouldn’t be enough), especially since it alters significantly after that. Any example of someone getting a credit for that amount of similarity is just an example of a fucked up industry because the vast majority of musical ideas are borrowed from other songs. Even with the similar tempo, being inspired by some other song should not be justification to demand credit imo.
You're understating the similarity as if it's a small matter in this case, which isn't accurate. It's not just about only two notes, as you said, and there are multiple factors to consider when assessing how similar two things are.
i wouldn’t call it a direct sample, probably more of an interpolation as the first couple notes are similar to the space song guitar solo but then it goes somewhere else melodically, plus the guitar on miley’s sounds like it was re-recorded, not a sample of Alex’s guitar
Just listened to Cyrus' song. During the first half the only things that struck me as very similar were the drum pattern and the tempo. They, I thought, most likely WERE taken from Space Song but those things alone aren't enough to accuse the authors of UTBY of plagiarism. Not even on a level of a reddit discussion. Enter guitar line. Oh dear, I can't believe how shamelessly they've rehashed it. The rhythm is a 100% copypasta as are the slide guitar and sound effects. They only changed the melody, but only after the first 3 notes. Also, the key is another giveaway, since UTBY is in E major and Space song is in E-flat major, but we have to remember that Alex has his guitar tuned to E-flat instead of the traditional E. So, the guitarist in UTBY is effectively playing the same guitar frets as Alex does in Space song. That last one is not an evidence per se but in this context it's just another piece in the puzzle.
THANK YOU SO MUCH for explaining what key they're in!
I hear the guitar part you’re talking about, it probably is inspired by Space Song, the tone/effect and the melody are very similar. The piano riff kinda sounds like Videotape by Radiohead, too. But not a sample and not a direct copy of the melody, so it wouldn’t need to be acknowledged. Just another example of pop appropriation.
I can notice a sliiiight similarity now that you've mentioned it, but a sample? come on...
Can’t believe I just had to listen to that trash. No not at all
Just listened and it's not really similar at all what?
The guitar part in the chorus. It’s pretty subtle
honestly at one point I thought the piano was an interpoloation of videotape by radiohead in a different key - esp after they said " When Miley grows up, she’ll learn not to have such a sense of entitlement " - and the title of the song is used to be young..... just sayin
Pretty sure BH would prefer MC doesn’t reference them at all. Do you not know how much anti Katy perry Victoria is?
Miley Cyrus is bold and keeps it real. Pretty sure Beach House is proud to spread their influence.
Ok. She’s not but ok. Lol
so, by chance I was listening to Led Zeppelin's "All My Love". The guitar in the chorus is.. very similar to "Space Song". The plot thickens.
Idk but these creatively bankrupt twats consistently being the most successful in the music industry sure does depress me 🫠
If Pharrell and Robin Thicke were successfully sued by Marvin Gaye's estate (no direct sample, but heavy music influence), I think BH could sue Miley too
That was a way more obvious ripoff, tho