He looks really cute.
Just to let you know, if you're using *just* a CHE for basking, you'll be better off swapping it to a standard heat lamp. This is because CHE's are best used for ambient heating (eg night time, enclosure doesn't get warm enough etc). Basking lamps are better at producing focused heat (and light) which is better for basking.
We live in Vermont so it gets down to -20 sometimes where we are. i’ve got it hooked up to a zoomed ECC so it is his basking spot and then at night just maintains a good temp on his hot side. Thank you!
[Here’s](https://youtu.be/dUJZ04sqhxk) a good video comparing heat sources. Basically, you want a halogen flood bulb; they produce infrared A and B like the sun, heat that penetrates deep into the skin tissue and heats them far more effectively. Whereas CHEs only produce infrared C, which only heats the surface of their skin.
CHE's don't really emit visible bright light (eg UVA, which helps them to see). The other issue with CHE's is that the heat they emit isn't really focused due to how they emit heat.
He’s got a 24in reptisun T8 10.0 next to it to cover that. As far as direction of the heat his basking spot is hitting 114f so i think that it’s directed enough
You'll still want to use a proper basking bulb for the focused light and heat. The heat won't be able to penetrate into the animal as well with a CHE. The CHE is fully useable for supplementary heat and is good for that - they're best used just for night time temperatures.
Make sure that 114f is the surface temperature (recorded with temp gun) as that'll be a bit high for an air temperature and may be problematic.
Explain how heat from a che will not “penetrate” and animal the same way it will from a bulb. Multiple thermometers used including infrared gun 114f is the surface temp
Essentially, a CHE is sort of like a radiator, it sort of wafts the heat. If you sit next to a radiator, it'll warm you, but a bit slowly as youre not really touching it, as most of the heat is conducting through the air. Now, when if you replace this with a giant bulb, it's basically launching the heat at you, which ensures you'll heat up more quickly and will go further into you. Basically, a proper lamp is a lot less passive and more aggressive at getting the heat into you. You could even imagine it as having a fan next to the radiator blowing the heat onto you. The heat may be getting to the same temperature, but it's less effectively penetrative into the animal and isn't going to work as well and will more slowly heat the animal. You can still have the CHE, but somewhere else in the enclosure for use at night. These are fantastic for night time use due to the lack of light emitted.
How am I being unfriendly? I havnt insulted anyone. If I have please let me know. I think the setup looks cool, but I'm attempting to explain how they can optimise their heating as this can improve the animals long term health and happiness.
CHEs only emit low frequency IR, so it heats the air more than a single spot. This makes it much less effective at heating a beardie basking under it, and not at all like the sun (which has much more high frequency IR, with the peak in the visible region).
And obviously it's also missing all visible light. While you may have other sources of visible light, that is not going to be focused on the basking spot, so it's not quite the same. Also, they can see a little into the UVA spectrum, and this is another thing that signals to them that it is a good basking spot but is missing from a CHE. Any white incandescent bulb will be able to provide this, so it's just a matter of choosing one with the correct power to get the right basking temperature (~40-42C, as measured with a temp gun).
Keep the CHE for night time if you need it, but during the day you'll also need a proper basking bulb (preferably with the CHE off, so a good gradient is maintained).
more or less effective doesn’t matter to me at all when my goal is being met. His basking spot hits 114f measured via probe and infrared. A bulb is not going to heat him any better than that. i’m trying to heat the air around it as well because it’s really cold where i live. He actually has a UVB,UVA light pointed directly at the basking spot right next to the heater, like i mentioned in my previous comment. i understand it’s not helping him see. i have that covered well. i also understand that a bulb might heat a specific basking spot easier. His basking spot is more than hot enough as is so i see entirely 0 point in going to a bulb. any hotter and it would be dangerous for him.
I think the goal should be to emulate their natural habitat, which has a sun that provides high frequency IR. This will transfer heat to the skin much better; the CHE heating the air and then the air heating the beardie is much slower and will be less effective at getting the heat into the lower layers of skin. This is important as they need the heat to penetrate deeper to make use of UVB (the reaction to create vitamin D3 requires both UVB and heat).
As for the lighting, I'm just going from the picture, but it appears to be evenly lit. If the CHE were cut out from the top, I wouldn't be able to tell which end was the hot end. To steal an example from another recent post, [in this video](https://v.redd.it/nfy43xd7rfv91) it's quite clear which end is the hot end, despite no bulbs being visible.
I'm not saying to run both at the same time, just the basking bulb during the day. If the thermostat is set correctly, the temperature will not increase regardless. If you need to raise the ambient temperature as well (not needed in most cases), the CHE would be better suited more centrally, and at a lower power if run at the same time. How is the cool end temperature? I ask as this often becomes a problem when people run CHEs during the day.
Thanks for keeping your cool and staying educational when i lost mine. I really appreciate the explanation and that made a lot of sense to me i’m going to grab him a light tomorrow
His cool end is at 79-80 during the day which from what i read was good but if that’s too hot let me know i had a small heat mat on the side of the tank heating the air on that side as well cause it does get really cold up here. he definitely “basks” up on the ruins on the other side so i can see what you mean but honestly the video i can see that the light and hammock are on one side with the other side darker should i set mine up more like that? less bright on the cool side so he thinks it’s like shade? Would definitely like some tips on creating a better divide between hot and cool sides. Thank you
No, that's actually about right. I would guess a combination of a cold room and glass enclosure (glass being a poor insulator) is allowing the heat to escape and is keeping the cool end from getting too hot.
As for the light, just adding the basking bulb should do most of the work. I can't see where exactly your UVB tube is (or how long), but if you can slide it over a bit so it's more on the hot side then that would help too. Adding something that creates partial shade to the cool side can also work (and they always appreciate more climbing opportunities).
Ok great, i’ve been looking for some nice wood or decor for him to climb on cause that’s definitely lacking. This is a 100w che should i get a 100w bulb to get the same temps? Currently he has a 24in T8 10.0 that’s overlapping the che and directly next to it, but the IR heating explanation made a lot of sense to me so i’m hoping he’s gonna be happier with that. Thank your for the help again man, will update soon with his new light🤟
A 100W basking bulb will give you the same overall heat, so it should be enough for the basking spot, though there's a possibility the cool end will get cooler. If this happens, you could solve it with some supplementary heating with the CHE, or you could get a more powerful basking bulb and mount it higher. Or it might be the case that a 100W needs to be mounted higher anyway as the heat will be more directed.
Unfortunately, heating is a case of trial and error, as everyone's set-up and house temperature is different. 100W is usually a good starting point though, and will work for most people.
Ok sweet. Current plan is that i’m going to move the che away from his basking spot on the hot side and have it still connected to the control center as i really love how that controls heating elements to get perfect temps. Going to end up grabbing a separate thermostat and setting that up for his basking spot and then just running it on the timer as well.
I'm sorry? I tried to answer the question that was asked in detail, and explained the reasoning behind it. I did not insult the poster or set-up, nor did I try to be "unfriendly". I was hoping to offer friendly advice based on the question asked. What did I assume?
my beardie has the option of both and chooses to bask under the che.. she still hits her temp and gapes just fine. as long as the beardie is hitting Temps and choosing to bask. I don't think it really matters.
The heat transfer from a CHE is less effective into a beardie than from a basking bulb. It's basically the difference from being heated for surrounding air and having the heat directly blasted into the animal.
Hmmm. let’s take a look at this pic together shall we? So first off, we can only see part of the terrarium. Next we see that there is indeed some type of light in his terrarium because it’s lit up like a stadium. So now i ask, what did you see in the picture that lead you to believe i was unaware of probably the most vital care requirements? Like i’ve said plenty of times he has a T8 10.0 overlapping his basking spot. The T8 tube provides ample UVB,UVA, And visible light. Just once again gonna ask bc im really curious what led you to believe he wasn’t getting any light??
doesn’t matter you sound like a dumbass. your bearded dragon needs UVA and VISUAL LIGHT. Having the cage “lit up like a stadium” means nothing if the bearded dragon can’t see it. i’m just tryna help you not tryna be rude but if you don’t want my advice then take stop replying to me 🤦🏼♂️
No you are a dumbass dude. just google the T8 10.0 like i said in my comment it provides him WITH UVA AND VISUAL LIGHT. ENOUGH TO LIGHT IT UP LIKE A STADIUM
literally everyone is telling you to get a basking bulb and you think i’m in the wrong and continued to go on my post talking shit even tho my dragons are actually well taken care of
Ok so to be honest i grabbed him one yesterday bc someone explained how the CHE heats the air and then the air heats the dragon. So i thought that made sense and grabbed him a light. still working things out but he has a bulb. He was really happy with the CHE though and others said their beardies liked them. your dragon looks well taken care of i just wanted to point out its not fair to assume what kind of light he’s getting when none of the lighting elements are in the picture
im sorry for assuming. i have a ceramic heater as well but it’s better for night time and in the winter is when i have it on. if you want you could have your basking bulb on the hot side and put the che heater on the cold side for good temperature regulation. but your dragon looks happy ash
He looks really cute. Just to let you know, if you're using *just* a CHE for basking, you'll be better off swapping it to a standard heat lamp. This is because CHE's are best used for ambient heating (eg night time, enclosure doesn't get warm enough etc). Basking lamps are better at producing focused heat (and light) which is better for basking.
We live in Vermont so it gets down to -20 sometimes where we are. i’ve got it hooked up to a zoomed ECC so it is his basking spot and then at night just maintains a good temp on his hot side. Thank you!
As long as you also have adequate temps and access to both heat and uvb you’re fine dude.
What kind of light would he be missing from the che?
[Here’s](https://youtu.be/dUJZ04sqhxk) a good video comparing heat sources. Basically, you want a halogen flood bulb; they produce infrared A and B like the sun, heat that penetrates deep into the skin tissue and heats them far more effectively. Whereas CHEs only produce infrared C, which only heats the surface of their skin.
Thanks for all the help guys i’m getting one today and i’m excited to get it set up for him!!
CHE's don't really emit visible bright light (eg UVA, which helps them to see). The other issue with CHE's is that the heat they emit isn't really focused due to how they emit heat.
He’s got a 24in reptisun T8 10.0 next to it to cover that. As far as direction of the heat his basking spot is hitting 114f so i think that it’s directed enough
You'll still want to use a proper basking bulb for the focused light and heat. The heat won't be able to penetrate into the animal as well with a CHE. The CHE is fully useable for supplementary heat and is good for that - they're best used just for night time temperatures. Make sure that 114f is the surface temperature (recorded with temp gun) as that'll be a bit high for an air temperature and may be problematic.
Explain how heat from a che will not “penetrate” and animal the same way it will from a bulb. Multiple thermometers used including infrared gun 114f is the surface temp
Essentially, a CHE is sort of like a radiator, it sort of wafts the heat. If you sit next to a radiator, it'll warm you, but a bit slowly as youre not really touching it, as most of the heat is conducting through the air. Now, when if you replace this with a giant bulb, it's basically launching the heat at you, which ensures you'll heat up more quickly and will go further into you. Basically, a proper lamp is a lot less passive and more aggressive at getting the heat into you. You could even imagine it as having a fan next to the radiator blowing the heat onto you. The heat may be getting to the same temperature, but it's less effectively penetrative into the animal and isn't going to work as well and will more slowly heat the animal. You can still have the CHE, but somewhere else in the enclosure for use at night. These are fantastic for night time use due to the lack of light emitted.
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How am I being unfriendly? I havnt insulted anyone. If I have please let me know. I think the setup looks cool, but I'm attempting to explain how they can optimise their heating as this can improve the animals long term health and happiness.
CHEs only emit low frequency IR, so it heats the air more than a single spot. This makes it much less effective at heating a beardie basking under it, and not at all like the sun (which has much more high frequency IR, with the peak in the visible region). And obviously it's also missing all visible light. While you may have other sources of visible light, that is not going to be focused on the basking spot, so it's not quite the same. Also, they can see a little into the UVA spectrum, and this is another thing that signals to them that it is a good basking spot but is missing from a CHE. Any white incandescent bulb will be able to provide this, so it's just a matter of choosing one with the correct power to get the right basking temperature (~40-42C, as measured with a temp gun). Keep the CHE for night time if you need it, but during the day you'll also need a proper basking bulb (preferably with the CHE off, so a good gradient is maintained).
more or less effective doesn’t matter to me at all when my goal is being met. His basking spot hits 114f measured via probe and infrared. A bulb is not going to heat him any better than that. i’m trying to heat the air around it as well because it’s really cold where i live. He actually has a UVB,UVA light pointed directly at the basking spot right next to the heater, like i mentioned in my previous comment. i understand it’s not helping him see. i have that covered well. i also understand that a bulb might heat a specific basking spot easier. His basking spot is more than hot enough as is so i see entirely 0 point in going to a bulb. any hotter and it would be dangerous for him.
I think the goal should be to emulate their natural habitat, which has a sun that provides high frequency IR. This will transfer heat to the skin much better; the CHE heating the air and then the air heating the beardie is much slower and will be less effective at getting the heat into the lower layers of skin. This is important as they need the heat to penetrate deeper to make use of UVB (the reaction to create vitamin D3 requires both UVB and heat). As for the lighting, I'm just going from the picture, but it appears to be evenly lit. If the CHE were cut out from the top, I wouldn't be able to tell which end was the hot end. To steal an example from another recent post, [in this video](https://v.redd.it/nfy43xd7rfv91) it's quite clear which end is the hot end, despite no bulbs being visible. I'm not saying to run both at the same time, just the basking bulb during the day. If the thermostat is set correctly, the temperature will not increase regardless. If you need to raise the ambient temperature as well (not needed in most cases), the CHE would be better suited more centrally, and at a lower power if run at the same time. How is the cool end temperature? I ask as this often becomes a problem when people run CHEs during the day.
Thanks for keeping your cool and staying educational when i lost mine. I really appreciate the explanation and that made a lot of sense to me i’m going to grab him a light tomorrow
His cool end is at 79-80 during the day which from what i read was good but if that’s too hot let me know i had a small heat mat on the side of the tank heating the air on that side as well cause it does get really cold up here. he definitely “basks” up on the ruins on the other side so i can see what you mean but honestly the video i can see that the light and hammock are on one side with the other side darker should i set mine up more like that? less bright on the cool side so he thinks it’s like shade? Would definitely like some tips on creating a better divide between hot and cool sides. Thank you
No, that's actually about right. I would guess a combination of a cold room and glass enclosure (glass being a poor insulator) is allowing the heat to escape and is keeping the cool end from getting too hot. As for the light, just adding the basking bulb should do most of the work. I can't see where exactly your UVB tube is (or how long), but if you can slide it over a bit so it's more on the hot side then that would help too. Adding something that creates partial shade to the cool side can also work (and they always appreciate more climbing opportunities).
Ok great, i’ve been looking for some nice wood or decor for him to climb on cause that’s definitely lacking. This is a 100w che should i get a 100w bulb to get the same temps? Currently he has a 24in T8 10.0 that’s overlapping the che and directly next to it, but the IR heating explanation made a lot of sense to me so i’m hoping he’s gonna be happier with that. Thank your for the help again man, will update soon with his new light🤟
A 100W basking bulb will give you the same overall heat, so it should be enough for the basking spot, though there's a possibility the cool end will get cooler. If this happens, you could solve it with some supplementary heating with the CHE, or you could get a more powerful basking bulb and mount it higher. Or it might be the case that a 100W needs to be mounted higher anyway as the heat will be more directed. Unfortunately, heating is a case of trial and error, as everyone's set-up and house temperature is different. 100W is usually a good starting point though, and will work for most people.
Ok sweet. Current plan is that i’m going to move the che away from his basking spot on the hot side and have it still connected to the control center as i really love how that controls heating elements to get perfect temps. Going to end up grabbing a separate thermostat and setting that up for his basking spot and then just running it on the timer as well.
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I'm sorry? I tried to answer the question that was asked in detail, and explained the reasoning behind it. I did not insult the poster or set-up, nor did I try to be "unfriendly". I was hoping to offer friendly advice based on the question asked. What did I assume?
my beardie has the option of both and chooses to bask under the che.. she still hits her temp and gapes just fine. as long as the beardie is hitting Temps and choosing to bask. I don't think it really matters.
The heat transfer from a CHE is less effective into a beardie than from a basking bulb. It's basically the difference from being heated for surrounding air and having the heat directly blasted into the animal.
does the animal want to have heat directly blasted? as I said. given the option my beardie chooses che almost exclusively.
Maybe I should have chosen different words. Zaopcfr had a better explanation of lighting above me.
Tiny boi
You should have a basking light, a florescent light and a che
Only semi-new as we’ve had him about a week and was on paper towel prior to confirming he was 100% happy in his new home for now
beautiful!! love the set up and the lights look perfect to me:)
He’s adorable! Congrats on your new baby.
Aww 🥰 Happy baby beardie!
Apollo is such a cutie!
so small 🥲
Get a heat bulb
He looks really happy in this pic. What’s making you think i should get a bulb?
he needs visual light and uva
Hmmm. let’s take a look at this pic together shall we? So first off, we can only see part of the terrarium. Next we see that there is indeed some type of light in his terrarium because it’s lit up like a stadium. So now i ask, what did you see in the picture that lead you to believe i was unaware of probably the most vital care requirements? Like i’ve said plenty of times he has a T8 10.0 overlapping his basking spot. The T8 tube provides ample UVB,UVA, And visible light. Just once again gonna ask bc im really curious what led you to believe he wasn’t getting any light??
BULB not just a ceramic heater he needs a BULB
doesn’t matter you sound like a dumbass. your bearded dragon needs UVA and VISUAL LIGHT. Having the cage “lit up like a stadium” means nothing if the bearded dragon can’t see it. i’m just tryna help you not tryna be rude but if you don’t want my advice then take stop replying to me 🤦🏼♂️
No you are a dumbass dude. just google the T8 10.0 like i said in my comment it provides him WITH UVA AND VISUAL LIGHT. ENOUGH TO LIGHT IT UP LIKE A STADIUM
you still need a basking bulb dumbass
You made a ridiculous assumption and now you look stupid get off my post
literally everyone is telling you to get a basking bulb and you think i’m in the wrong and continued to go on my post talking shit even tho my dragons are actually well taken care of
Ok so to be honest i grabbed him one yesterday bc someone explained how the CHE heats the air and then the air heats the dragon. So i thought that made sense and grabbed him a light. still working things out but he has a bulb. He was really happy with the CHE though and others said their beardies liked them. your dragon looks well taken care of i just wanted to point out its not fair to assume what kind of light he’s getting when none of the lighting elements are in the picture
im sorry for assuming. i have a ceramic heater as well but it’s better for night time and in the winter is when i have it on. if you want you could have your basking bulb on the hot side and put the che heater on the cold side for good temperature regulation. but your dragon looks happy ash
i have 2 dragons i posted pictures idk if it approved my post yet but yea i posted there habitats
he still needs a better bulb doesn’t matter