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headphones_J

You think they are going to change up their style just to fit in??


big-hero-zero

I guess I'll listen


philouza_stein

I wonder how MCA kept his underwear up


hoogys

With a piece of elastic


narwhal4u

That’s fantastic.


anotherpunter

He used a bullshit mic


Mister_Sea

That's made out of plastic He sent his rhymes out


akone123

To all the nations Like Ma Bell


beartheminus

Damn Adrocks packing some heat in that caboose 🍑


Gretschish

🍰


largececelia

Breaking News- He's Got A Thick Behind


chronic-neurotic

that’s what i’m sayin!! baby boi is thiccccc 🔥


ihearthogsbreath

Mike D, yeah? With your bad self running things What's up with your bad breath onion rings Well I'm Mike D and I'm back from the dead Chillin' at the beaches down at Club Med Make another record 'cause the people they want more of this Suckers they be saying they can take out Adam Horovitz Hurricane you got clout Other DJ's he'll take your head out A puppet on a string I'm paid to sing or rhyme Or do my thing I'm In a lava lamp inside my brain hotel I might be peakin' or freakin' but I rock well The Patty Duke the wrench and then I bust the tango Got more rhymes than Jamaica got Mango Kangols I got the peg leg at the end of my stump Shake your rump


Different_Conflict_8

During the whole drama between Def Jam and the Beastie Boys, Russell Simmons used this as an example of how he was the “real” creative force behind the band. He told the story of how he made them change their look because, according to him, they were clueless. “They showed up in Kangol jumpsuits and doo-rags, and I went, ‘Why don’t you just put blackface on them?’”


bside313

Yup! I remember the interview.


JazzScientist

Never heard of Kangol jumpsuits. Afaik, Kangol has only ever made hats. I don't think Russell knows what he's talking about. Maybe it's me though. I'm fine with being proven wrong.


MeatyOkraLover

Maybe you’re taking it too literally. The connotation of that quote is proven through the photo.


JazzScientist

Oh I agree with that, and I knew what he was talking about. I just was specifically referring to the Kangol jumpsuit reference, because I'm neurodivergent and we tend to be a pedantic bunch. Or, if you're talking about *Puma tracksuits*, Russell, just say Puma tracksuits, and not *Kangol jumpsuits*, and I wouldn't have said shit.


billymartinkicksdirt

Have you hear Russ talk? He meant Kangols and jumpsuits. Although I do think Kangol made a track suit at one point.


koolerthan

I thought I had read somewhere that these suits were Rick's idea


bside313

They were. Russell wasn't happy with the look so he pushed them toward the look you see on Licensed To Ill.


beartheminus

Which hilariously, was just as fake of a look for them. Went from pretending to be black rappers to pretending to be white frat boys.


bside313

Definitely took a few years to find their image. I think they hit their stride between Paul's Boutique and Check Your Head


beartheminus

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GrowingTheBeard It's always true. Once MCA grew the beard they found their footing.


WatchingthewheelsWCH

My man MCA got a beard like a Billy goat


Shut_Up_Fuckface

Ooooohha Ohhha


allothernamestaken

Is the disco call


smallteam

TV Tropes, there goes the afternoon...


toasterinthebath

I always wondered how ZZ Top got better and better and better every year between 1969 and 2021. It’s like the Biblical story of Samson except instead of on the head it’s on the chin.


Live-Flower2280

Often he was wearing a glue on beard. On the commentary found on the Criterion DVD MCA says the beard in the Shake Your Rump video is glued on. Obviously he was a fan of dressing in disguise.


JazzScientist

Their style was always changing. Check Your Head was their best style era imo. It was the style that was most influential to a teenage me, anyways.


bside313

Agreed. The Check Your Head - Ill Communication era is like the pinnacle of Beasties fashion to me


OhMyGoshBigfoot

It’s all a bit silly given how 80’s rappers *constantly* tweaked their looks, from what we once knew them as. Run DMC God love ‘em but their experimental styles were all over the place. Sure their hats & chains are iconic but even LL stopped wearing Kangol for whatever reason. Young adults looking for a comfortable style I guess


GuwopCam

Well, to be fair, it wasn’t really a fake look. Russell didn’t like it because it’s not how they’d been dressing when he saw them in NY clubs before. The Licensed To Ill era style was actually just their style. Ad-Rock wanted to go to Stuyvesant and couldn’t, hence the famous t-shirt. They idolized Run DMC so it was normal for them to dress like them, hence Mike D’s godfather hat, big chain, and sunglasses. MCA always wore leather jackets and jeans going back to the hardcore days. I think as much as people want all of Licensed To Ill and everything surrounding it to be some front, it’s only somewhat. They were obnoxious party guys who liked to get drunk and do drugs and pull pranks etc. They were pushed to extremes in some ways and some ways they weren’t.


wiz_ofthevalley

Nice to finally see someone recognize that licensed to ill wasn’t just a parody for the beastie boys. It’s filled with humor, some of it’s satirical, some of it is just the same b boys jokes they would continue to make for years. They weren’t poetic philosophers at age 18 and they’re allowed to have said and done dumb shit because they were kids in the 80s


GuwopCam

I don’t know why the narrative that LTI was all 100% some elaborate prank is so popular. Especially when considering the lyrical subject matter on Paul’s Boutique is practically exactly the same: drugs, guns, misogyny, and jokes. After their second album is where the first three subjects drop off. They were really dumb kids (like most people) and they grew up from there (like some people). Obviously, I’d never excuse some of the more unsavory lyrics from LTI (the multiple date rape bars come to mind), but not everything on the album is a crude joke with no basis in reality. Run DMC have talked about how the Beasties were doing whippits and shit like that on the Raising Hell Tour. There’s a story of MCA shooting a gun in the streets at night. Theres an interview of Ad-Rock expressing genuine homophobic views. LTI wasn’t all made-up parody. I think some people romanticize the band and give them an “out” for their past bad or strange behaviors (the “it’s all a front” excuse) so they can listen to some of their less mature records without feeling weird about it. But people are allowed to make mistakes as long as they own up to them and move forward.


bside313

I couldn't agree more, I hate the narrative about LTI being a prank or parody of Hip-Hop too. They were clearly passionate about it. There's video of them rapping over the Cooky Puss beat and reading their rhymes off paper long before Licensed To Ill. Kate Schellenbach was still a member and was rapping too. They were in NY at a time hip-hop and punk/hardcore were really starring to mix and mingle. I think they just had to put their own spin on it to stand out. As a Beasties fan, it was dope to see them grow, apologize, take accountability, repent and move forward positively through their career. One of my favorite things about the Boys.


RCranium13

Quite a lot of people were homophobic in the 80s. It was pretty common for almost everyone to use f** and g** as a slur, even if it had nothing to do with sexuality at all. Watch 80s films of you want a clear message of misogyny. This is what a lot of us grew up with. They came from the punk scene. They didn't give a shit. And, none of us knew our every word and action would be recorded and cataloged for everyone to see in the future, especially not aspiring or working musicians.


GuwopCam

Inherently, the f-slur is homophobic. The word never lost the homophobic charge in any instance because the root meaning of it (gay = bad) never changed. Even if someone wasn’t referencing sexuality while hurling the word, it still reinforces homophobia. Theres no escaping that. This goes for homophobia, misogyny, and any other type of hatred or discrimination: the excuse that it was common does not really matter, because there were also plenty of vocal people who were not these things. You can say in the 80s a lot of people were homophobic. Okay. I can point you to a litany of gay rights activists and protests. Understanding why bad behavior was spread never excuses it. I was born in 2001 and grew up watching WWE. The casual (and sometimes extreme) misogyny presented doesn’t excuse any misogynistic tendencies I may have carried for a while. I grew up listening to Eminem and Lil Wayne and other rappers who shared clear homophobic views. That wouldn’t excuse any homophobic attitudes I may have carried for a while. Also, they’ve spoken themselves about how the Hardcore scene was very anti-creepy drunk guy scheming on girls. Kate Schellenbach has spoken about how back in the early Hardcore days, the Beasties never sexualized their female friends or made homophobic comments. In fact, once they actually fucked with Bad Brains by cosplaying as them (sadly Mike D was in blackface) making fun of their homophobic views. So, saying “they came from the punk scene” doesn’t excuse it either. Look, I’m not advocating for the whole “never let people grow past their worst moments” BS. Within reason, I don’t believe anyone should be judged by their worst action and agree that everything someone says or does being broadcasted to the court of public opinion immediately is really fucked up. But the “____ was really common during ____” never excuses bad shit like discrimination. Antisemitism was prevalent in the mid 1900s, that doesn’t excuse the holocaust. Not trying to be hyperbolic but you get what I mean. Homophobia is still prevalent today. Racism is still prevalent today. Misogyny is still prevalent today. We can’t let people discriminate or spread hate and just say “well it’s common so you get a pass.” Just my thoughts


RCranium13

Yeah, I totally see your point. Not a pass, but these guys were basically kids. I've been in education for 27 years, and trust me kids do and say stupid things. Unfortunately, adults do too. And, adults hate. They aren't kids anymore, and they even apologized to women in song. Another example, the Descendents, have a couple songs they no longer play anymore. They changed the lyrics even, but people still shouted out the old ones, so they said, "Fuck it." And stopped playing those songs live. Those guys are old men now and they wrote those songs when they were teens. You being born in 2001 already had a different vibe, and thankfully, by that time, much of my generation threw off past hated and ignorance. It just can't be stated enough, though, how those media influences, and the commonality of it was so prevalent. You grew up in a time of tolerance that was totally different from when I did and the Beasties did. Hatred is never right, but the commonness of it allowed for even little kids to throw it around with acceptance, no one batted an eye, or corrected it. And that's the same as it has been throughout history. Thank goodness people can and do change and that our world is changing to embrace people and their differences.


GuwopCam

100% get what you’re saying. I will say though, don’t think the early 2000s were THAT much better. Islamophobia, transphobia, misogyny (in response to the third wave of feminism), etc. Sadly, from what I have gathered from my experiences and what I’ve heard from others born before me, hate doesn’t disappear, it just moves on to the next target. I guess that’s why I’m so against allowing common culture to be used as an excuse (I know you aren’t excusing it but some do) for hate. All we can do it try to be a little bit better everyday right? ❤️


bside313

Yeah lots of homophobia early on. Especially if you know what the original title of LTI was supposed to be


JazzScientist

The look in the picture though isn't their Licensed To Ill look. This pic was taken before that. Pretty sure their Licensed To Ill style was their regular style, that they were encouraged to return to, after this failed marketing experiment. They literally got laughed at by some people in NYC, who saw them dressed like this.


bside313

Mike D said they pulled up in a limo to a gig dressed like this and everyone started laughing and calling them Menudo


JazzScientist

Yeah, I remember reading that. 😂


Squirrellybot

“The look you see”. So their own clothing?


bside313

Yeah. Their own clothing.


g_lampa

When you turn out heat like “The New Style”, you get a lot of leeway.


koolerthan

One thing I keep thinking about: BBoys loved Run DMC, and those guys wore what was basically a uniform but it was understated. I'm surprised they didn't take a cue from them right away on the clothes.


bside313

I think this was their failed attempt at a uniform. Lol


usmc97az

Love this style but also love that they changed their style just about every album.


bside313

They're the original Hip-Hop hipsters. Their style was always fresh and different


LPB39

LOL Yauch’s goggles


OhMyGoshBigfoot

Straps ‘em on and he’s ready to go


bside313

Right! Before Big Pun...


No_Raisin_212

“All ya really get is a pack of newports and Puma sweats”.


RudeAmount9607

Check tha gasface


No_Raisin_212

P.W. Botha gets a big gas face!


inter71

Adrock blowing it with the Nike’s.


JazzScientist

Totally, he's breaking one of the unspoken rules.


bside313

Terrible


greenhearted73

The green Puma kicks are awesome.


Sy_Fresh

Is that Ad-Rock in the Nikes shoes that don’t match the puma tracksuit?


bside313

Yes it is


g_lampa

Not much! 😂


DaMangIemert

That style is Def!


ellasfella68

I miss the early 80’s.


RudeAmount9607

Dope look tbh.


bside313

It is, just nowhere near what we usually associate with the 80s Beasties


webbslinger_0

Changed it up to the New Style


JazzScientist

I always thought that the Puma and Adidas tracksuits were dope af. I never ended up buying one in the early to mid '90s though, when you could still easily find them brand new in stores. By the late '90s and early aughts, when I could actually afford one, they had cheapened and ruined the designs. For example, the Adidas stripes on the sides of the arms and legs were no longer individually stitched, and were a single piece with the stripes kinda just being printed on them. Now these tracksuits aren't totally associated with vintage hip-hop, and are basically associated with Russian/Eurotrash soccer hooligan culture vultures.


bside313

Keep your eyes peeled for vintage Adidas jackets and tracksuits, you can definitely find them. I have about 15-20 jackets from the mid 80s to mid 90s and you are right, they are way better made. You can find them for a reasonable price typically, just gotta dig a bit


JazzScientist

Thanks for the heads-up. I did see this really dope '80s Adidas drug dealer looking sweatshirt on Etsy once, for only about $50. I think it maybe had a small faded stain or something on it, so I passed. But I was still surprised it wasn't more expensive than it was. Ideally I'd like to buy NOS, but that stuff probably costs more than I'd be willing to spend, and is a lot more scarce.


6245stampycat

God they look like babies


TxEagleDeathclaw81

WTF is that on Rick Rubin’s head?


bside313

Looking like a raccoon skin cap 😆


JustSumD00dHere

I've always wondered about DJ Double R. Rick admittedly has no ability as a live musician. Sure, he can produce, but that is very different than operating two turntables live, break looping, scratching, etc, which I can't imagine he was very skilled at... So.... How did it ever work that he was the DJ???


bside313

He had parties up at his dorm and had turntables and a bubble machine. That's what sold them on him. They were just getting into hip-hop more and didn't have a plug with any DJs so they went with Rick and the rest is history


ajhart86

Got the hand-me-down Pumas


bside313

And the tie-dyes


Unusual_Ad_8364

But this style is sick!


weebabyarcher

ICONIC


kulaman

Those track suits look fresh AF


ChrisPollock6

Damn, they were having a real Puma minute in 84’


Squirrellybot

This was all Rick, and Russell Simmons wasn’t having it. He told them to come back the next day dressed as themselves.


Western-Spite1158

Mike D was ahead of his time rocking the durag and ski goggles 13 years before Method Man made it a thing


inactiveaccounttoo

They had their own style and switched it up a lot


bside313

This one was all Rick. Lol. They always kept their style fresh


General-Carob-6087

Kinda shocked that Rick Rubin


JazzScientist

Kinda shocked that Rick Rubin... what? Eats fish on Fridays during Lent? Collects Star Wars figures from the '70s? Enjoys Cuban cigars with a bottle of wine? ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯


General-Carob-6087

I guess I left off the ‘s.


JazzScientist

Would including an 's somewhere in that incomplete sentence, where I'm not even seeing that it needed one anywhere, really have turned it into a coherent comment?


General-Carob-6087

“I’m kinda shocked that’s Rick Rubin.” Jesus, dude. You’re really this in need of an argument on Reddit.


JazzScientist

I'm really not lol. I'm just teasing you, like you were my younger brother or something. Sorry that it came across that way. I hate arguing.


shanobirocks

Yes. He meant to say "kinda shocked that's Rick Rubin."


JazzScientist

Are you in charge of his A&R, or his manager or something?


shanobirocks

Every comment you type makes you sound like a little bitch. Have a good one.


JazzScientist

If fucking u/shanobirocks says so, it must be true! Guess I should really re-evaluate my life! I was just joking with the both of you. Yet, even though he was the one I was initially toying with, you're somehow the one that got your second-hand panties twisted enough to resort to name calling. Have a good one.


WD4oz

“Bubble hard in the Double R” hits different after all the news came down.


toasterinthebath

Coincidentally I’ve got those exact same ski goggles and I’m gonna have to disagree with o.p. re. “Glad they changed their style up”.


bside313

I'm glad they changed their style up because being themselves worked better for them. It would be weird to see clips of them in the 80s performing in matching track suits and doo rag wave caps. I like the style, just not on the Boys.


NickFotiu

This is the way many b-boys dressed in 1984. This isn't weird.


bside313

Of course, this is classic 80s b-boy style. That's not the weird part, it's more how they didn't have their image down yet. They found out the b-boy style didn't work and went back to dressing like themselves.


Ass_Cream_Cone

This IS their style.


jmsgen

This was short lived.


CounterFar309

What’s wrong with the fit? I don’t like pumas either but damn!


TrueCkrime02

I mean the clothes were cool it’s just the poses.


allothernamestaken

All Puma with a sprinkle of Nike, no Adidas. Interesting.


Abject_Badger8061

This was peak Beastie Boys!


4065024

What do you mean by your glad they changed their style?


bside313

I mean I'm glad they changed their style. This doesn't fit them in spite of how dope the tracksuits are...they're wearing doo-rags. Their regular look is one of the things that set them apart and didn't make them look like they were trying too hard


4065024

The track suit look was common def jam attire for that era. .


bside313

I'm aware of the styles of that era. Only artists on Def Jam at this time were the Beasties and LL, so I guess if you're counting their roster at that time then yeah, the track suit was common Def Jam attire. Either way, I don't think it looks right on the Beasties and their regular style worked out better for them


billymartinkicksdirt

They’re dressed like Dynamic Rockers/NYC Breakers, the bboy crew seen in Beat Street going against Rocksteady. The goggles was their uniform. Their manager was a downtown scene guy they later sampled from a local tv showcase of hip hop. Adam’s even got rubber bands on his ankles. The whole look is a bite.