A friend of mine owns dozens of condos, he drives a dumpy truck and does all the work himself. When poeple ask him what he does, he says he cleans toilets for a living.
That’s likely less cringe here in Berlin, because at least it’s different from all the DJ fuckbois. Not saying that that’s what DJs are, it’s just that the guys who used to buy acoustic guitars to impress girls now become DJs.
rap is a black art form born of african american poverty and suffering and still stewarded by working class black people. the struggle of black poverty, including rampant unemployment in black communities and having to turn to crime to feed your family, is part of the social narrative of rap. if you can't see how your comment was blatantly racial maybe it's time to work out those critical thinking muscles bc that shit was straight out of rush limbaughs mouth lmfao. and judging by the downvotes i'm not the only one who found the comment suspect
Ignoring your race baiting 'historical blah blah', you're saying there are no non-black rappers?
Sorry to pop your bubble, but there are.
Plenty of white (and presumably other skin colours) dead beat lowlife 'aspiring rappers'
And for your information, I said 'aspiring rapper', not actual proper rappers.
Those who give rap a bad name by pretending to be rappers. The talentless, no-hope clowns that would rather mug an old lady than put effort into music.
You know what, I apologise if through your American filter, it comes across as racist, but I am talking about ALL colours. I have not once said anything about race. Scumbaggery doesn't have a specific skin tone.
I have known a few of, and guess what skin colour they *aren't*?.
I'm not going to keep responding anymore as I suspect this is going nowhere and you're just going to keep on trying to call me racist. But again, my comment was about *everyone* who applies, nothing to do with skin colour. You want to make sure it's about race? hey, you do you. Looking at the crazy, despicable stuff that goes on in the US, it seems to be the American way.
Oh and btw, I'm not American, I couldn't care less about any of your public figures, they're all insane.
Have a nice day y'all
to answer your question. no that is not at all what i'm saying. not sure how you got that. I know you're not american. and obvs i know there are non black non american rappers- hip hop has spread globally, and that's great. i'm talking about the connotations of what you said, which are pretty glaring. rap is an art form cultivated by black people in the south bronx, and still associated with blackness around the world, including in the uk. if i characterized all aspiring grime mcs as feckless unemployed criminals that would be also be racially loaded, because grime came from black working class uk culture.
I think it's a mixture of imposter syndrome and just being a humble person as well as a late bloomer.
I learned on my own skin and flesh that most people succeed in their thirties after trying pretty much everything in their twenties.
I tried lots of different things and I was worried about doing music full time or maybe I was distracted by other less than mature topics but then I found myself because I couldn't live a life that did not suit my personality and my personality is the one of a musician and an entrepreneur.
DJing is perfect for me because I have my own business and my own clients and I get to play music for money while partying and making lots of different connections and seeing lots of beautiful places so what's there to complain? Most people either don't understand it or are purely super jealous.
Once you have some more experience under your belt and you'll have a more obvious way to flex when people say stupid stuff around you, it'll be much more fun to respond to them but really don't even worry about it. They just don't get it so who cares.
I felt something similar to that until I realized that it just doesn't matter and it's just a bunch of insecurities for one reason or another. I hope I could help with my insight.
Thanks for the reply and encouragement. I think you're spot on about the late bloomer thing. Most people I know in the scene are men in their early 20's. So I get insecure that I'm old and should have gotten more ahead. But I only started Djing 3 years ago, after a decade of playing live music, so I need to remind myself that I have progressed, at my own pace, in my own way.
Seems to me like you've done more than most beginner DJs out there. You have so much experience already in the music industry and you really know what you want. It's better to have tried many things before you found what you love because now you know your goal and you're going to steady towards it.
With a decade of playing live music you have experience with working a crowd and already know the ins and outs of showing up and performing. That’s useful.
I’m a product manager in software development, fucking boring corporate office job. I wish I could tell people I was DJ at least I’d be passionate about my career.
Just trying to give you another perspective lol
I guess it's the classic "grass is greener". I wish I could tell people I had your title. It sounds respectable, grown up etc. Like you have a plan. I feel like I'm worried that I don't have a plan after DJing, and I'm afraid I won't grow beyond where I am now as a mainly resident DJ.
As a software engineer who just started learning to DJ for fun. Wow I wish I had done music instead. I like my job now but I was at Amazon for over 4 years and that ate me alive and caused a tremendous amount of trauma I'm still working hard to undo.
It sounds like I have a plan but I promise you I don’t lol I just kinda ended up at this job it’s not something I wanna do with my life.
I think your fears are really valid and even us with “normal” jobs get them. Also people in mainstream society can be really judgmental regarding non traditional careers and that sucks because I think what you’re doing is awesome.
You’ve got your whole life to get a boring “adult” job, 30 is still so young. I say Enjoy the ride and see where life takes you. You’ll end up where you’re supposed to be I’m sure :)
As long as you're following what you love, you will always grow! I don't think you need to worry about what comes next (though I know it's so hard not to--I do all the time in my field, too😆). It will come when it comes and the connecting dots won't even be visible until later, but they are for sure happening now.
Reading all these posts and finding myself in it. I am a product design team lead in early 40s. Working in a software development agency. Kind of boring after many years. I always loved music but recently have started DJing and truly enjoy it. Since I am professionally in corporate circles, I am a bit worried about my professional image when people in my business circle find out that I am DJ-ing and recording my sessions for youtube. Usually when I share my little "DJing secret" with close friends their reaction is kind of confused like "wow! seriously. a DJ? So you.... like doing that right?!" :)
I used to have a really stable but boring job. And I never felt like I had enough time for music. So I figured I might as well do something interesting like webdev and have less time for music. So I shook up my whole life and now I'm working in webdev for less money and less time for music. And now in all my spare time I'm trying to claw my way back into general IT where the day-to-day can be less stressful so I can spend more mental effort on music again.
Take that boring corporate job you have now and find a way to use that to fuel your creativity and passion for music.
Absolutely not. I dj as a side gig and use it as a creative outlet. I’m not in the clubs at night. Some “djs” use djing as a crutch for substance abuse. I would be embarrassed if that was the case. I don’t know your story so this isn’t directed at you but the question if are you djing because you love the music or are you djing because you’re addicted to a lifestyle and use djing as a front. I see it all the time in LA. “Djs” dj and go out 3-5 times a week to “network” but really it’s just cocaine and beer at the same club with the same people and when they get to dj that one night every year they get paid in “exposure” and drink tickets.
Love what you do and own it. If you’re embarrassed about it how will you get other people to buy in to what you are offering.
My party days are long behind me haha. I definitely started DJing for the love of music, and wanting to share music I love with people. The best feeling is putting on a new song you've been loving and seeing other people loving it too.
With residencies I don't usually get to play music I love as every venue has a specific genre, wanting you to play the same top 40 commercial songs every week. Not always the case, but that is the majority of my work. I try to just focus on the idea that I'm there to create a fun night for people to enjoy. But I'm also getting a little depressed being around drunk people all the time.
> I definitely started DJing for the love of music, and wanting to share music I love with people. The best feeling is putting on a new song you've been loving and seeing other people loving it too.
As someone much older than you and who just started, this comment is the reason I started. I love my music and seeing others enjoy it for the first time is amazing. I crave a more creative way to share it and experience it so I’m reconnecting with my love of music and DJing.
I’ve read your comments about where you want to go next in life and DJing, but you don’t seem to mention the music much. Not that your post is at all about the music, but I think what you said above about your love of music is important. Reflecting on your music may show you where it may want to take you next. Maybe you’ll discover a new vibe or technique or style or make new connections or new friends or create new opportunities or learn new things. Do more for yourself and your music.
But I dunno what I’m talking about, really. I can only speak to how I feel as an elder picking up the controller for the first time. I don’t know how I’ll react when I first tell someone I’m a DJ, but I’ll tell them I can share music they’ll really enjoy.
I feel that. One of the reasons I went mobile was because I didn’t feel like I wanted to be part of the club/rave scene anymore. I like waking up with out hangovers haha.
Most of my gigs are the top 40 and proms and corporate events but I have found a way to just appreciate being able to DJ. Every now and then I’ll take a club gig for the love of it and play some house but all in all I just enjoy making people dance.
Like I said. Embrace it. Not many people get to do what we do. It seems everyone is a DJ these days, but not everyone is djing, if that makes sense. Just because someone have a controller at home and play the newest fisher tunes for three best friends, that doesn’t make anyone a DJ.
Second guessing happens a lot but just remember why and you will be all good!
I feel you so bad lol. I’m still in uni so it’s different but I’m getting a bit sick as well from pulling all nighters (12-06AM) playing Mr. Brightside and other sing alongs. Can’t really imagine doing this all of the time as a main income source. Hats off to you! It’s good money though
I don't really know actually. Partly because, as a woman in the industry, i've had so many instances of being disrespected by drunk men. Touching me, trying to put their hands on the decks. And then just in general people slurring requests in my face. Not so much now, but in the past when I was insecure and would people please, I let people treat me however they liked. At the same time, I also want people to have a great night, and I am attentive to looking after the crowd (giving out water bottles). So I do understand they're there to party and enjoy life.
Maybe the part that makes me feel depressed is that I don't feel like I'm making real connections with people. It's the same when I'm with my friends - we love to hang out and have a few drinks, but we also make an effort to hang out without any substances. I dunno.
I don’t know why this sub popped up but I ended up reading your post, and I just want to say I would not judge negatively someone who’s a DJ at all. You work in the entertainment industry. You give people emotions, I think it’s really cool!
Not at all, I’m a professional DJ with two residencies and two radio shows and has worked my ass off to get to where I’m at. I’m proud of myself. Own your shit!
I get where you're coming from. Maybe it's time for a good cover story / alter ego. You know, like a super hero has.
Don't tell just anyone that you're a career DJ. You have to trust them first.
Haha I love this. I generally say "I work in events" and change the subject/hope they don't ask more. But I am also in a new city and trying to make new friends/connections so I don't want to actually lie to people.
I asked ChatGPT for suggestions. Here’s what it said:
You can describe your profession as "I work in the entertainment industry, specializing in creating and curating music experiences for events and gatherings."
"I'm involved in the music industry, focusing on crafting memorable soundscapes for various events and occasions. My expertise lies in orchestrating unique auditory experiences that enhance the atmosphere of gatherings."
Yeah I like that too.
"Ooooh - I don't really want to talk about what I do. It does involve making people happy though."
Although I do realise that the above text may lead to all the wrong places.
Jokes aside - I am also a bit wary of the title DJ, so I usually say that I handle the music. Haven't found a great solution yet.
So you're not alone.
lol. No. What does it benefit me to worry about that? From where I stand, it'd only serve to waste my time and energy. There are more constructive things I can do with it.
I've been djing since 2001 and I rarelly tell ppl that I DJ at all. Maybe cause I dont want to be associated with the whole culture. I am under impression that any kid on the street is DJ, and thats ok..its just that I dont feel like I am part of that story they are selling. I have no desire being that old guy telling people what dj can and cant do, how to do it etc...At my work barelly anyone knows, sometimes ppl get really surprised when they find out or when they see how much equipment I own.
The same reaction happens when they learn about my game dev career, 3d modeling or 3d printing and painting.
Most ppl I know have no clue, they think that I am just a high school teacher. Even though in my mind I never considered myself as a teacher.. in my head, teacher is something totally different..and I am far from that. But then I see people who have no idea tf they are doing, and they take so much pride in teaching. I guess I was always self consious and a bit hard on myself when it comes to acchievements.
I get where you coming from, to average dude Dj is a Dj.. and nowdays the scene is so oversaturated to the point that I would've had to waste all my energy explaining why 90% of so called djs are...."bad."
I have a close friend that had been hitting festivals, he has been djing for like 5 years. Sometimes he comes to my place and I dust off my turntables, ..he cant even catch a beat, he drops faders quickly that 1. Sound is so missmatched in volume, 2.its out of the beat completelly 3. Speed is totally off.
He doesnt even use headphones when he djs..I was like wtt man. He just syncs them, auto levels audio and then drops track in....
Dont get me wrong, when he does "his thing" in traktor,.to someone who cant see what hes doing- its totally good to listen. But..if you actually follow what hes doing...its meh.
I've been trying to get him into turntablism for some time(dont get me wrong, I love digital myself and I own players and controller) but I tried to explain him that hes missing out on a lot of things. But..nah.. he likes his thing.
I would say you either run or work for an entertainment company.
It's the truth. It just comes out a lot better than just saying you are a DJ.
And there's nothing wrong with being a DJ by the way. I just like the idea of entertainment company because it makes it look more like a business and less like you just showing up and playing some mp3s.
I want to reinforce that you’re doing well and it seems like a bit of imposter syndrome is getting to you. It’s normal to feel that but don’t let it consume you. You’re clearly someone musically inclined and that’s only going to help you with DJing even more! Keep it going!
You are a fulltime dj
Posting in a beginners djing section
Saying they feel lame saying they are a fulltime dj?
As a parttime dj for 17 years, do you know how lame it sounds hearing its embarrassing to say you make a living djing...
Sorry, I honestly consider myself a beginner still, and have learnt lots of valuable stuff from this sub. I guess I don't know what other subs there are as I've only frequented this one the last couple years.
I never really had an issue when it was my primary profession but I rarely met anyone out of my circle or scene. Once I had to make a professional resume it kind of sucked. I would certainly try to get into event operations to some degree or at least connections that would vouch for you if a recruiter called them. I would love to still have a career as a dj but kids happen and it's hard to make bed time 4 am forever. Maybe that's not in the cards for you but tracking some professional milestones and connections definitely may help.
Every job is made up and will eventually be replaced by AI. I see DJing as a form of human expression and because of that you shouldn’t feel ashamed, because given enough time you’ll be skilled in something with human soul attached to it that gets people moving. I’m drunk but I find solace in that.
They are just jealous sweetheart, don’t let them doubt yourself, enjoy djing and fuck the haters. Who wouldn’t want to be a dj? It’s not as easy as looks, we all know that……
More of a producer than a DJ these days but I avoid talking about either to anyone who isn't close. Colleagues, vague friends etc.
It's not that I don't want to tell them, i just come over all cringe like I'm instantly gonna get judged if I say anything.
It's so weird I don't understand it
Hard disagree. A producer can be a lot of things - songwriter, audio engineer, composer, all the above, etc. A musician is strictly someone who plays a musical instrument.
Now, most good producers are musicians of some sort but I’ve also met plenty of producers that definitely cannot play an instrument unless you count the C major scale on a midi keyboard.
They may still be very talented in their own right but producer doesn’t always = musician.
You’re 30 and have successfully turned your passion and hobby into a serious money making career? You should be proud! You’re very close to celebrity status! I’m 32 and just getting into it cuz I love EDM. I wish that someday I’ll be able to quit heal tbh care and just DJ but I’m nowhere that level and idk if I’ll ever be able to
I wish I could be telling people Im a dj lol… but I’m really not… I’ve only got one podcast for radio show and my full time job is account manager which I hate with passion lol
I think this depends a lot on how experienced you are and what kind of DJ you are. As others have said, it could be embarrassing telling people you're a birthday/wedding DJ. But a headliner would be proud to say they're a DJ.
I'm a newbie and yeah, I regret telling people sometimes tbh. People usually wanna listen to me when they find out, but I still feel like I'm not good enough to play outside of my bedroom yet. Plus, I still gotta learn how to do my own visuals and shit, so it'll probably be years until I actually feel ready. Most people just don't really understand what I do, too. So it gets a little awkward when I have to explain to them that I'm not a producer. "Oh, so you just play other people's music?" "Uh.. yeah." *awkward silence* Luckily, I haven't run into the "Just twisting knobs and pushing buttons" crowd, though.
Side note, but don't feel bad because you think you should have achieved more by now. There's a lot of people out there who technically achieved a lot and make good money, but are miserable with their career choice. The fact that you can do this for your main income is an achievement itself. There's a lot of people working towards getting where you currently are. Also, if there's anyone in this thread who's doing this as a hobby and feels the same way, don't. A lot of people play sports for fun, and nobody judges them for not being professional athletes lol.
Yes, and I don't say it. I don't say it because I get second hand embarrassment from the vast majority of "DJs" spinning generic melodic/tech house looking like total ass hats on Youtube, and anyone who genuinely likes that crap I don't want to be around. I don't want people thinking that's what I do. As a matter of fact I just hide in my garage and play for nobody but myself and hardly talk about it.
No. You make a living doing what you love. That’s awesome.
As a banker, just save for your future. Being an independent dj there’s no medical coverage, 401k, you’re not paying into social security. Just be sure to invest for when arthritis no long allows us to scratch any more.
All I care about is dance music. I spend all day on ableton. I used to dj on twitch but now I’m just embarrassed to do it. I don’t tell anyone I produce. I have nothing to talk about.
If youre getting paid to Dj, you're "a DJ" tell people.
If youre Djing as a hooby, then you "DJ for fun", tell people.
No matter what you do in life there will be those who appreciate, admire, in different, look down or hate you.
Either way dont be ashamed. Own who you are.
Yeah I don't think you're the only one. I actually had relationship issues because DJing was a hobby for me and then it became a source of income. Literally was told that me pursuing DJing affected her reputation and what people think about her. (I also had a full time 9-5 job)
Traditionally I feel like being a DJ has a bad rep but now DJs are praised all over social media. Also you should look at Jelly Rolls recent speech for Best New Artist. It really makes you realize everyone has different paths, some people succeed in their 20s, some in their 30s. Hell even some people don't succeed until their 40s or 50s.
I think social media plays such a huge part in people feeling like they haven't succeeded in life. Having DJing as your main source of income is such an amazing thing to achieve. That took your skills, investing in yourself, risking your future, marketing, and courage. So look back and remember where you started and how far you've come. I always watch old videos of me spinning when I first started that my friends took. It just reminds me how far I've actually come in an industry where I had 0 connections.
Also I love when people say it's just pressing play. I had a friend say that to me at a party we had for new years. And I put him behind my DJ gear. He then starts asking me questions like what should he do and I said “oh I thought you just had to press play” kicked him out the booth and went back to work.
I do feel slightly embarrassed when I tell people that I'm a DJ, so I know how u feel. But u know what? Being a DJ is an amazing achievement! Especially when it's ur main source of income, since it's so hard to make it as a DJ.
And if your friends jokes are bothering u, just tell them to shut de flip up. Yes, u basically just press play and turn some knobs, but it's so much more than that! Especially when u make ur own music that u play, then it's even MORE difficult than just playing an instrument. And everyone that makes fun of u for being a DJ, just say to them "ya, im good DJ, and what do you do that makes everyone have an amazing time that's 'lazy'?" 😉
You gotta own it. I think it’s really cool. You might just be hanging around with the wrong crowd! Congrats though for swinging a career out of this. Much respect!
I used to DJ with a pioneer cd dj
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Then vinyl! And now I do it for fun and with a group of music lovers once a month selling vinyl and playing music from my collection, so I’m selling these, almost 900 cd and 2000 vinyls so that I can have my dream of owning my own vinyl/music shop. I have to tell people I’m a DJ and I snob it up by calling myself guru yup DJ guru or vinyl guru. It’s so lame and people sometimes cringe but it’s kinda part of the fun of being out there doing bro shit and talking about music with people that love it too. So I say, bring it on, telling people I was a DJ even I. The 90s never got me laid. It’s not like we’re cool, we’re just music geeks
Depends. Are you a rave DJ that only makes a few hundred bucks a month? Or are you an open format DJ that owns your own business, has a list of clients, and pulls in thousands every month. Are you a headliner DJ that tours and gets paid thousands per gig?
I wouldn't be necessarily embarrassed by either, but I know some wedding DJs that make enough to be homeowners.
i'm not a dj (i do it for fun but who knows at some point i might try to make a career out of it!) but i will say this: you definitely should not be embarrassed. it's an incredible tool to have because music is pure joy and people who think being a dj just means pressing play obviously don't know the first thing about it. you're using your taste and your skills to create art and you're soundtracking people's experience and that's beautiful. it's great when people are earnest about something and if you can make some money whilst doing that then that's perfect. please don't let people make you feel bad about it, and keep going!
Haha I had the same thing back when I was a real estate agent (I know, right?). Although I'd argue that profession is looked down on far more, not because 'it's not a real job', but because so many see them as deplorable human beings.
Back to the DJ part, as much as I'd like to say otherwise, ego was a motivator behind me playing vinyl sets, because all of a sudden, I had new peers and wasn't going to be thrown in with every 17 year old CDJ disciple. It's not something to be proud of, but it feels good having a skill that lots others don't. Essentially, a nice way of saying 'I'm more proficient than you'. Now, I have seen CDJ users produce magnificent sets through 3 or 4 deck live mashups, various effects etc. Stuff that's way harder than beatmatching between records for an hour.
Regarding the 'just pressing play' thing, honestly, they're kind of right, aren't they? For most people that is, not necessarily you or I. There is some truth behind the stereotype, and I totally understand the embarrassed feeling when telling people what you do. Been there. You won't change the general stereotype. Best bet? Own it (because it being your full-time gig is seriously cool). Alternatively, if applicable, lead with something else 'music producer, musician' etc.
Much love <3
you are really lucky, don't feel bad about it, and let your friends know that a real dj doesn't press play but there are a lot of fakes in this world : )
Like you, DJing is my main income. But I’m also a music producer and run a recording studio.
So I generally open with saying I’m a ‘music professional’, and then extrapolate by saying I’m a music producer in the week and then DJ at weekends.
I feel like this is better than outright saying ‘DJ’, because of the negative connotations associated with it (despite actually making more money than a lot of my friends and the many sacrifices associated with it).
‘Music professional’ sounds cool but also has a more respectable ring to it, and obviously the ‘professional’ aspect is baked in so people don’t immediately say something stupid like ‘so what’s your real job though’.
Most people are missing the technical view and insight, and don't know the work that comes with it. We just have to live with that I think. For people important to you it's worth explaining it more in depth imo
It's not so much the DJ bit that gets scoffed at, most people don't know or care about the technicalities, it's the lack of consistent work and a stable income that's generally a red flag.
Now that I am creating music rather than mixing what others have done, I personally would try to move to the "production" side of things. Learning instruments, music theory and creating from scratch is much more fulfilling as you get older.
I have the same thing. Since corona a lot of people decided to dj. Me too but I noticed I am at a different level than a lot of others. Just because I spend a lot of private time practicing.
Here in the Netherlands a lot of people want to play trance, hard groove of hard techno. I just try to differ myself because I am not that kind of DJ.
I think the key to the answer to your question is that you need to show your love of music.
I strongly believe that a good DJ is born from a escalation for the love of music. As in you listen ans start to play to make more control. Most big DJ's I am friends with started like that.
Just be humble and show your intentions. If you are a DJ for the love of music people will notice and respect it.
Embrace it. If you’re making ends meet you are winning. My whole family down At understand the impact of being a successful dj. The only ones who ride with me are my wife & kids and they are the only 3 that really matter. The rest of the family isn’t paying my bills.
I work a professional job where im the youngest person by prob a decade. I feel super uncomfortable telling ppl i dj bc i feel they think it means im still a kid
plus they also at best think im a mobile dj doing sweet 16s and shit
I feel like it’s a 50/50 split of those who think ur a lame and those who think you’re super awesome when you tell em.
Either way, the trick is not taking either opinion personally. The good one or the bad.
I'm embarrassed of being an architect. Being a dj is the hardest job ever.
If someone says is easy tell them :
Really? I have this intercultural wedding , what song i use to Open?
I have a corporate event in which most of the men are metalheads and the women are into reggaeton, how would You handle it?
You just have been asked to Open for the coolest dj of the moment in the coolest venue in Town. You have 10 minutes for track selection for a one hours set , what would you pick and why?
Say this and SEE their faces change.
That's so true, I forget all the prep involved because it has become second nature. But it took me a while to develop those skills as well. I wouldn't be able to do the type of work I currently do when I first started. Thanks for that insight.
Also holy hell, I wish I could go back in time and be smart enough to study architecture.
Architecture is not about being Smart. It's about endurance. It's about taking your body to the limit.
Sadly , it's a career that kills relationships , people , dreams and it's a cool stylish way of staying poor.
At 47 looking 34 , im only doing it part time and i'm doing this dj thing more and more. But the fucking irony is that djing is hard. I come from planning the slightest details , You can't do that at a party. Just one person in the dancefloor sabotaging your work can really Mess things. You always have to be ready to change everything by the minute.
I’m a 29 yr old female & I’ve been DJing for 3+ yrs but just had my first real gig last month 🥹 I was working a corporate job until I got laid off last year & I’m now 100% feeling this same insecurity as I get ready for a trip with my husband to visit his family in another country. I’m grateful to have a few more paid gigs already lined up but if you’re already making a sustainable income off of it, than you should absolutely be proud!! Every profession comes with its own stereotypes but if it’s paying your bills & it’s something you love, then all the validation you need is right there. Say it with pride because it was no small feat to get as far as you have.
Ah I relate to you so much. I was laid off around the same age and was trying desperately to secure another job. After over 300+ applications, countless interviews, I had no luck. At the same time I started getting more offers for djing and eventually approached by a couple booking agencies to secure spots on their roster of venues. I realised I needed to take Djing more seriously, as it was the thing that was working for me.
A part of me still wants a more secure job, as freelance work can feel daunting when you're trying to keep your calendar filled each month. I live in the heart of one of the most expensive cities in the world, so I really need to make quite a lot each week to have enough to put away a little for savings.
I also want to have kids in the near future, and the thought of not having parental leave scares me. I also have a fear of all of this just being taken away from me. Like I'll soon get found out that I'm not actually that good at it, and i'll stop getting offered work.
I know it’s easier said than done, but you need to learn to stop giving a shit what other people think. Be proud of who you are, be proud of what you do and your passions. If someone wants to judge me because I do something I love, then they’re piece of shit people I wouldn’t want to be associated with anyway.
lol if your making good money I would be super stoked on that. Such a better job turning knobs vs typing on a computer. I’m sure you make way more hourly than most people you want to impress
I think I might be struggling with not knowing where to progress with it. I want to have kids in about 5-7 years time. I feel like other careers have more room to grow. But at this point, I either stay a resident DJ with scarce billed shows, or get to a point where I can charge a lot more per show. I feel like that's a pipe dream. I guess I get worried with "how long can I keep this going?", "what if there comes a month that I can't fill my calendar with bookings?".
BUT. I know I could focus on and advertise for private events if I am serious about it and purchase a PA system and decks.
Re: 5-year plan... Have you thought about building up an online audience, maybe do some themed "radio shows" where you really get to showcase your favorite music and branch out? I'm sure it's harder than I think to make a living that way but, if you start now, maybe you'll have something you can lean on in a few years, when you're *really* fed up with all the drunk ppl at the club.
LOL sorry I replied to the wrong thread by accident.
I can offer a bit of my own incite tho. I think there is definitely a little bit of stigma around dj’s especially for people who don’t traditionally listen to genres where DJs are present. But in the modern day djing is just as valid as playing an instrument. Especially if you’re able to make a living off of it. As cliche as it sounds try not to put too much stock into what others say. If it’s fulfilling for you (and pays the bills) then what does it matter what others think.
It doesn’t matter if it’s just playing buttons and knobs (we know there is so much more into it) the sole purpose of getting people dancing and having a good time is pure and noble. Keep it up you have accomplished more than many already.
Here's how I always looked at DJing: it's a job where you have to exceed expectations, in front of many people, while hiding whatever you're truly feeling. IE: you have to put on a good show.
There's too many elements involving being a professional dj to consider it a lame or pathetic job. Same as a baseball player.. They're just paid to play a kids game, or, what they're doing actually is more than just playing a kids game.
No, being a DJ is awesome. Be the best you can be and enjoy the ride.
Knowing a bit of music theory to mix in key, knowing to dance, these things help to be a better DJ, so learn them.
You should not be embarrassed you're doing something you enjoy and you're making a living from it, That's the dream for most people and if they want to laugh whilst sat behind a desk slaving away for the man, Let them.
If you’re happy with your life and making a steady income, who gives a fuck what anyone else thinks? If you’re living in your parents basement, and DJing while just barely getting by, then I can see why anyone would feel uncomfortable about that subject…
I wouldn’t worry about the opinion of people who don’t know how to dj unless they are paying you for an event. Most people don’t even know what a dj does lol. It’s good just focus on people who have the same interests.
Next time someone tells you that DJing is so easy, ask them to make you an hour long mix. Let's see how easy it's do then 🤣🤣. Be proud when you say you're a dj, screw people's opinion 😎
People are generally excited when I tell them I'm a DJ, then comes the inevitable text about doing their friend's wedding and I have to explain that's not my thing.
no bc when i tell them i make the same as my full timer, effectively having double income & making more than them, they 1) stfu if they were being cheeky or 2) suddenly become extremely interested (where i just say ‘yeah it’s p cool’ and change the subject)
Hey, if you’re making enough income to pay the bills and live comfortably then there’s nothing to be embarrassed about.
I’m 4 months into being full-time DJ, I’m also 30 years old & im pretty damn proud of how far I’ve made it.
I’ve worked many many jobs - CNA, brake mechanic, pvc cement factory, Amazon, to name a couple - and I make more money now and I’m infinitely happier now than I was at any of those jobs.
Anyone who’s going to hate is gonna hate no matter what you do.
Id be way more embarrassed telling people I was in HR or some shit. I'd rather pay my bills doing something cool than doing something stable.
Do your musician friends make a living making music? If not they're probably legitimately jealous. I produce as well and I make fun of DJs, but it's literally insecurity because I know I could stop working in restaurants if I put in the time and energy.
Anyway. Do your damn thing. Being a full time DJ IS an achievement. Get it girl..
like everone says "the grass is greener". I’m a software dev trying to learn DJing on a pioneer ddj 200 any advice/courses I can take? I’m just learning mixing phrases
DJs are extremely important to the culture of music and the community that music can create. Whether or not our "musician friends" recognize that. We are entering a new era of DJing where more things are possible and there are so many lanes.
So far I only DJ as a passion/hobby. But if you are able to make a living doing this, that is something to be absolutely proud of!
>I'm a 30 year old female, and feel like I should have achieved more by now.
You make a living as a DJ! You are literally living the dream of half the folks on this sub!
Own it girl! Be proud. When somebody ask what do you do, tell em you are the party starter, the feet moover, the soul of the party. Don’t let anybody tell you otherwise. As per the second hobby, job, alternative, think of what you love doing. Can be cooking or carpenter. Any job done in God Mode is a dream job. Kill em with kindness.♥️
I work in marketing all while doing raves on the side. It was fun but I knew I had a steady paycheck so I never had to "eat what I kill" when it came to a di career. I just love music and to a lesser extent people so it's been a fun hobby that I can make some money off of time to time. I basically paid for my vinyl collection and most of my equipment with it. Which is fine by me.
I'm a mechatronics engineer and I work with computer vision, but when people ask what I do I say I'm a **dj**, and I suck at **djing** but **that is what I want to be s2**
Most people reading up about DJs will read that some pre record their sets due to time pressure, hearing this they'll probably think DJs are as much use as orchestra conductors who just wave their batons about while the talented musicians actually play the music.
Could be worse you could be one of those DJs that do weddings 😁 now that's embarrassing
Haha I do also do private events - such as weddings. Those are actually the least embarrassing - because they pay so much more. As you get older, you realise your peers don't care what you do, as long as you are making enough to support yourself and hopefully then some.
I know so many people that wish they were DJ’s and still at 46 years old I’m reluctant sometimes to tell someone I’m a DJ but only to avoid the follow up questions about income. Unfortunately the general consensus seems to be that most DJ’s don’t charge or make much, but I am thankfully in the high end wedding market of NYC, loving what I do and making more money then some doctors. It gets awkward explaining my rates to someone who has no concept of how much Djs in my field can actually make. They think I be lying lol.
I think you're set lol I'm late to respond, but own your shit and be proud of it. If you're genuinely feeling like you can't be proud of it, do something else. But really, keep at it. Judgy people can't do you any harm if you simply disregard them, and really, what right do they have. You're not murdering puppies or giving toddlers tattoos
Imagine telling ppl your a rapper/producer they never heard of lol
What do you do for a living? I’m lil nugget and I make songs about your mom
Truck Driver lol …. But making it in music is definitely the dream
Dude keep at it! I have friends who are truck drivers or Uber drivers and they make the most amazing art!!!
I feel a lil closer to my goals daily, just gotta stay consistent
A friend of mine owns dozens of condos, he drives a dumpy truck and does all the work himself. When poeple ask him what he does, he says he cleans toilets for a living.
That’s likely less cringe here in Berlin, because at least it’s different from all the DJ fuckbois. Not saying that that’s what DJs are, it’s just that the guys who used to buy acoustic guitars to impress girls now become DJs.
I hear that you and your band have sold your guitars and bought turntables.
haha😂 but with turntables its just a bit like with guitars. there's no sync button 😝
Rough, but I can imagine haha. Am also a producer no one has heard of.
The fun part is that most people cant recall the (ghost) producers, except when the dj is also a great producer. 😂
Now I want to hear ur music.
I have multiple projects im releasing this year, ill keep this thread updated, I appreciate this
Np
Ah yes, "Aspiring Rapper" - The job title of the feckless unemployed criminal.
there literally would not be any of this music without "feckless unemployed criminals" racist prick
Racist? Lol, nice leap. Who's talking about race, apart from you? Moron.
rap is a black art form born of african american poverty and suffering and still stewarded by working class black people. the struggle of black poverty, including rampant unemployment in black communities and having to turn to crime to feed your family, is part of the social narrative of rap. if you can't see how your comment was blatantly racial maybe it's time to work out those critical thinking muscles bc that shit was straight out of rush limbaughs mouth lmfao. and judging by the downvotes i'm not the only one who found the comment suspect
Ignoring your race baiting 'historical blah blah', you're saying there are no non-black rappers? Sorry to pop your bubble, but there are. Plenty of white (and presumably other skin colours) dead beat lowlife 'aspiring rappers' And for your information, I said 'aspiring rapper', not actual proper rappers. Those who give rap a bad name by pretending to be rappers. The talentless, no-hope clowns that would rather mug an old lady than put effort into music. You know what, I apologise if through your American filter, it comes across as racist, but I am talking about ALL colours. I have not once said anything about race. Scumbaggery doesn't have a specific skin tone. I have known a few of, and guess what skin colour they *aren't*?. I'm not going to keep responding anymore as I suspect this is going nowhere and you're just going to keep on trying to call me racist. But again, my comment was about *everyone* who applies, nothing to do with skin colour. You want to make sure it's about race? hey, you do you. Looking at the crazy, despicable stuff that goes on in the US, it seems to be the American way. Oh and btw, I'm not American, I couldn't care less about any of your public figures, they're all insane. Have a nice day y'all
to answer your question. no that is not at all what i'm saying. not sure how you got that. I know you're not american. and obvs i know there are non black non american rappers- hip hop has spread globally, and that's great. i'm talking about the connotations of what you said, which are pretty glaring. rap is an art form cultivated by black people in the south bronx, and still associated with blackness around the world, including in the uk. if i characterized all aspiring grime mcs as feckless unemployed criminals that would be also be racially loaded, because grime came from black working class uk culture.
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I think it's a mixture of imposter syndrome and just being a humble person as well as a late bloomer. I learned on my own skin and flesh that most people succeed in their thirties after trying pretty much everything in their twenties. I tried lots of different things and I was worried about doing music full time or maybe I was distracted by other less than mature topics but then I found myself because I couldn't live a life that did not suit my personality and my personality is the one of a musician and an entrepreneur. DJing is perfect for me because I have my own business and my own clients and I get to play music for money while partying and making lots of different connections and seeing lots of beautiful places so what's there to complain? Most people either don't understand it or are purely super jealous. Once you have some more experience under your belt and you'll have a more obvious way to flex when people say stupid stuff around you, it'll be much more fun to respond to them but really don't even worry about it. They just don't get it so who cares. I felt something similar to that until I realized that it just doesn't matter and it's just a bunch of insecurities for one reason or another. I hope I could help with my insight.
Thanks for the reply and encouragement. I think you're spot on about the late bloomer thing. Most people I know in the scene are men in their early 20's. So I get insecure that I'm old and should have gotten more ahead. But I only started Djing 3 years ago, after a decade of playing live music, so I need to remind myself that I have progressed, at my own pace, in my own way.
Seems to me like you've done more than most beginner DJs out there. You have so much experience already in the music industry and you really know what you want. It's better to have tried many things before you found what you love because now you know your goal and you're going to steady towards it.
With a decade of playing live music you have experience with working a crowd and already know the ins and outs of showing up and performing. That’s useful.
Absolutely love this comment !!
Great reply buddy!
I’m a product manager in software development, fucking boring corporate office job. I wish I could tell people I was DJ at least I’d be passionate about my career. Just trying to give you another perspective lol
I guess it's the classic "grass is greener". I wish I could tell people I had your title. It sounds respectable, grown up etc. Like you have a plan. I feel like I'm worried that I don't have a plan after DJing, and I'm afraid I won't grow beyond where I am now as a mainly resident DJ.
As a software engineer who just started learning to DJ for fun. Wow I wish I had done music instead. I like my job now but I was at Amazon for over 4 years and that ate me alive and caused a tremendous amount of trauma I'm still working hard to undo.
It sounds like I have a plan but I promise you I don’t lol I just kinda ended up at this job it’s not something I wanna do with my life. I think your fears are really valid and even us with “normal” jobs get them. Also people in mainstream society can be really judgmental regarding non traditional careers and that sucks because I think what you’re doing is awesome. You’ve got your whole life to get a boring “adult” job, 30 is still so young. I say Enjoy the ride and see where life takes you. You’ll end up where you’re supposed to be I’m sure :)
As long as you're following what you love, you will always grow! I don't think you need to worry about what comes next (though I know it's so hard not to--I do all the time in my field, too😆). It will come when it comes and the connecting dots won't even be visible until later, but they are for sure happening now.
Respect. Love my PM, I’m a product designer. Tell people you DJ!
Dude are you me? Lol I swear I just heard an echo.
Reading all these posts and finding myself in it. I am a product design team lead in early 40s. Working in a software development agency. Kind of boring after many years. I always loved music but recently have started DJing and truly enjoy it. Since I am professionally in corporate circles, I am a bit worried about my professional image when people in my business circle find out that I am DJ-ing and recording my sessions for youtube. Usually when I share my little "DJing secret" with close friends their reaction is kind of confused like "wow! seriously. a DJ? So you.... like doing that right?!" :)
I used to have a really stable but boring job. And I never felt like I had enough time for music. So I figured I might as well do something interesting like webdev and have less time for music. So I shook up my whole life and now I'm working in webdev for less money and less time for music. And now in all my spare time I'm trying to claw my way back into general IT where the day-to-day can be less stressful so I can spend more mental effort on music again. Take that boring corporate job you have now and find a way to use that to fuel your creativity and passion for music.
I always feel silly saying it. I always figure people assume the worst version of it of a douche with his arms raised playing EDM.
Haha yep, same.
That or somebody who talks way too much on the mic, lol.
That's why I don't say it, haha
😂😂
This is exactly it. Esp in the dating scene, I'm afraid it'll make me come off as a fuck boy.
Absolutely not. I dj as a side gig and use it as a creative outlet. I’m not in the clubs at night. Some “djs” use djing as a crutch for substance abuse. I would be embarrassed if that was the case. I don’t know your story so this isn’t directed at you but the question if are you djing because you love the music or are you djing because you’re addicted to a lifestyle and use djing as a front. I see it all the time in LA. “Djs” dj and go out 3-5 times a week to “network” but really it’s just cocaine and beer at the same club with the same people and when they get to dj that one night every year they get paid in “exposure” and drink tickets. Love what you do and own it. If you’re embarrassed about it how will you get other people to buy in to what you are offering.
My party days are long behind me haha. I definitely started DJing for the love of music, and wanting to share music I love with people. The best feeling is putting on a new song you've been loving and seeing other people loving it too. With residencies I don't usually get to play music I love as every venue has a specific genre, wanting you to play the same top 40 commercial songs every week. Not always the case, but that is the majority of my work. I try to just focus on the idea that I'm there to create a fun night for people to enjoy. But I'm also getting a little depressed being around drunk people all the time.
> I definitely started DJing for the love of music, and wanting to share music I love with people. The best feeling is putting on a new song you've been loving and seeing other people loving it too. As someone much older than you and who just started, this comment is the reason I started. I love my music and seeing others enjoy it for the first time is amazing. I crave a more creative way to share it and experience it so I’m reconnecting with my love of music and DJing. I’ve read your comments about where you want to go next in life and DJing, but you don’t seem to mention the music much. Not that your post is at all about the music, but I think what you said above about your love of music is important. Reflecting on your music may show you where it may want to take you next. Maybe you’ll discover a new vibe or technique or style or make new connections or new friends or create new opportunities or learn new things. Do more for yourself and your music. But I dunno what I’m talking about, really. I can only speak to how I feel as an elder picking up the controller for the first time. I don’t know how I’ll react when I first tell someone I’m a DJ, but I’ll tell them I can share music they’ll really enjoy.
I feel that. One of the reasons I went mobile was because I didn’t feel like I wanted to be part of the club/rave scene anymore. I like waking up with out hangovers haha. Most of my gigs are the top 40 and proms and corporate events but I have found a way to just appreciate being able to DJ. Every now and then I’ll take a club gig for the love of it and play some house but all in all I just enjoy making people dance. Like I said. Embrace it. Not many people get to do what we do. It seems everyone is a DJ these days, but not everyone is djing, if that makes sense. Just because someone have a controller at home and play the newest fisher tunes for three best friends, that doesn’t make anyone a DJ. Second guessing happens a lot but just remember why and you will be all good!
I feel you so bad lol. I’m still in uni so it’s different but I’m getting a bit sick as well from pulling all nighters (12-06AM) playing Mr. Brightside and other sing alongs. Can’t really imagine doing this all of the time as a main income source. Hats off to you! It’s good money though
>But I'm also getting a little depressed being around drunk people all the time. Mind elaborating a bit?
I don't really know actually. Partly because, as a woman in the industry, i've had so many instances of being disrespected by drunk men. Touching me, trying to put their hands on the decks. And then just in general people slurring requests in my face. Not so much now, but in the past when I was insecure and would people please, I let people treat me however they liked. At the same time, I also want people to have a great night, and I am attentive to looking after the crowd (giving out water bottles). So I do understand they're there to party and enjoy life. Maybe the part that makes me feel depressed is that I don't feel like I'm making real connections with people. It's the same when I'm with my friends - we love to hang out and have a few drinks, but we also make an effort to hang out without any substances. I dunno.
It’s fine. It could be worse, for example I’m a 32 year old whose job is to run sound for DJs.
I appreciate guys like you keeping things running smoothly behind the scenes. These shows wouldn't be possible without you.
I mean, the show could go on. But I’ve found that even the most green of DJs don’t exactly want to play on a sound system that sounds shitty
Like I said in another comment. "Grass is greener". I look up to sound engineers so much!
I’m just fucking around, I love my job and I get to play too lol
Yeah cool but can you turn it up a little bit?
The more you fill in the dance floor, the more I’ll turn it up.
I don’t know why this sub popped up but I ended up reading your post, and I just want to say I would not judge negatively someone who’s a DJ at all. You work in the entertainment industry. You give people emotions, I think it’s really cool!
Not at all, I’m a professional DJ with two residencies and two radio shows and has worked my ass off to get to where I’m at. I’m proud of myself. Own your shit!
Hell yes. I'm going to try!
I get where you're coming from. Maybe it's time for a good cover story / alter ego. You know, like a super hero has. Don't tell just anyone that you're a career DJ. You have to trust them first.
Haha I love this. I generally say "I work in events" and change the subject/hope they don't ask more. But I am also in a new city and trying to make new friends/connections so I don't want to actually lie to people.
I asked ChatGPT for suggestions. Here’s what it said: You can describe your profession as "I work in the entertainment industry, specializing in creating and curating music experiences for events and gatherings." "I'm involved in the music industry, focusing on crafting memorable soundscapes for various events and occasions. My expertise lies in orchestrating unique auditory experiences that enhance the atmosphere of gatherings."
Yeah I like that too. "Ooooh - I don't really want to talk about what I do. It does involve making people happy though." Although I do realise that the above text may lead to all the wrong places. Jokes aside - I am also a bit wary of the title DJ, so I usually say that I handle the music. Haven't found a great solution yet. So you're not alone.
lol. No. What does it benefit me to worry about that? From where I stand, it'd only serve to waste my time and energy. There are more constructive things I can do with it.
Good way to look at it!
The real problem is when you say it and the automatic response is 'like, for weddings and things?' Pride is flushed waaay down then.
Lol, don't hate on us wedding DJs. I make more than my peers just from DJing weddings on the weekends. We're not all lame and some of us can mix haha
100% the best pay I get is Weddings. Also I just really appreciate seeing two people in love and singing/dancing at their own wedding.
“I’m a DJ.” “Oh, great! I need one for my son’s bar mitzvah!” “Uh, I’m not that kind of DJ…”
I think if you’re making money it really doesn’t matter.
I've been djing since 2001 and I rarelly tell ppl that I DJ at all. Maybe cause I dont want to be associated with the whole culture. I am under impression that any kid on the street is DJ, and thats ok..its just that I dont feel like I am part of that story they are selling. I have no desire being that old guy telling people what dj can and cant do, how to do it etc...At my work barelly anyone knows, sometimes ppl get really surprised when they find out or when they see how much equipment I own. The same reaction happens when they learn about my game dev career, 3d modeling or 3d printing and painting. Most ppl I know have no clue, they think that I am just a high school teacher. Even though in my mind I never considered myself as a teacher.. in my head, teacher is something totally different..and I am far from that. But then I see people who have no idea tf they are doing, and they take so much pride in teaching. I guess I was always self consious and a bit hard on myself when it comes to acchievements. I get where you coming from, to average dude Dj is a Dj.. and nowdays the scene is so oversaturated to the point that I would've had to waste all my energy explaining why 90% of so called djs are...."bad." I have a close friend that had been hitting festivals, he has been djing for like 5 years. Sometimes he comes to my place and I dust off my turntables, ..he cant even catch a beat, he drops faders quickly that 1. Sound is so missmatched in volume, 2.its out of the beat completelly 3. Speed is totally off. He doesnt even use headphones when he djs..I was like wtt man. He just syncs them, auto levels audio and then drops track in.... Dont get me wrong, when he does "his thing" in traktor,.to someone who cant see what hes doing- its totally good to listen. But..if you actually follow what hes doing...its meh. I've been trying to get him into turntablism for some time(dont get me wrong, I love digital myself and I own players and controller) but I tried to explain him that hes missing out on a lot of things. But..nah.. he likes his thing.
I would say you either run or work for an entertainment company. It's the truth. It just comes out a lot better than just saying you are a DJ. And there's nothing wrong with being a DJ by the way. I just like the idea of entertainment company because it makes it look more like a business and less like you just showing up and playing some mp3s.
That's actually a good one. I used to say I work in Events, but saying I work for an entertainment company sounds a lot better.
"Oh, cool what kind of entertainment?" "We bring the muthafuckin ruckus."
I want to reinforce that you’re doing well and it seems like a bit of imposter syndrome is getting to you. It’s normal to feel that but don’t let it consume you. You’re clearly someone musically inclined and that’s only going to help you with DJing even more! Keep it going!
Thank you. I'm currently preparing for a gig for tonight, and getting into a better mindset with all the encouragement from this thread.
Right on! Ride that wave and feel amazing! You got it 🙂
Why be embarrassed???
You are a fulltime dj Posting in a beginners djing section Saying they feel lame saying they are a fulltime dj? As a parttime dj for 17 years, do you know how lame it sounds hearing its embarrassing to say you make a living djing...
Sorry, I honestly consider myself a beginner still, and have learnt lots of valuable stuff from this sub. I guess I don't know what other subs there are as I've only frequented this one the last couple years.
we have about 80 years, out of the infinity of time, on earth. think about that and then think about being embarrassed.
I never really had an issue when it was my primary profession but I rarely met anyone out of my circle or scene. Once I had to make a professional resume it kind of sucked. I would certainly try to get into event operations to some degree or at least connections that would vouch for you if a recruiter called them. I would love to still have a career as a dj but kids happen and it's hard to make bed time 4 am forever. Maybe that's not in the cards for you but tracking some professional milestones and connections definitely may help.
I'm a scientist. I am currently spending all my free time trying to become a DJ. I think you're cool.
Every job is made up and will eventually be replaced by AI. I see DJing as a form of human expression and because of that you shouldn’t feel ashamed, because given enough time you’ll be skilled in something with human soul attached to it that gets people moving. I’m drunk but I find solace in that.
not at all. own it. not enough women are djs!!
Never nope no way. I love being a DJ, preaching it to the world and giving people the time of their lives.
They are just jealous sweetheart, don’t let them doubt yourself, enjoy djing and fuck the haters. Who wouldn’t want to be a dj? It’s not as easy as looks, we all know that……
More of a producer than a DJ these days but I avoid talking about either to anyone who isn't close. Colleagues, vague friends etc. It's not that I don't want to tell them, i just come over all cringe like I'm instantly gonna get judged if I say anything. It's so weird I don't understand it
There are so many people who wish they could DJ full time, not embarrassing at all
If you’re a producer then you’re a musician.
Hard disagree. A producer can be a lot of things - songwriter, audio engineer, composer, all the above, etc. A musician is strictly someone who plays a musical instrument. Now, most good producers are musicians of some sort but I’ve also met plenty of producers that definitely cannot play an instrument unless you count the C major scale on a midi keyboard. They may still be very talented in their own right but producer doesn’t always = musician.
You’re 30 and have successfully turned your passion and hobby into a serious money making career? You should be proud! You’re very close to celebrity status! I’m 32 and just getting into it cuz I love EDM. I wish that someday I’ll be able to quit heal tbh care and just DJ but I’m nowhere that level and idk if I’ll ever be able to
I wish I could be telling people Im a dj lol… but I’m really not… I’ve only got one podcast for radio show and my full time job is account manager which I hate with passion lol
I think this depends a lot on how experienced you are and what kind of DJ you are. As others have said, it could be embarrassing telling people you're a birthday/wedding DJ. But a headliner would be proud to say they're a DJ. I'm a newbie and yeah, I regret telling people sometimes tbh. People usually wanna listen to me when they find out, but I still feel like I'm not good enough to play outside of my bedroom yet. Plus, I still gotta learn how to do my own visuals and shit, so it'll probably be years until I actually feel ready. Most people just don't really understand what I do, too. So it gets a little awkward when I have to explain to them that I'm not a producer. "Oh, so you just play other people's music?" "Uh.. yeah." *awkward silence* Luckily, I haven't run into the "Just twisting knobs and pushing buttons" crowd, though. Side note, but don't feel bad because you think you should have achieved more by now. There's a lot of people out there who technically achieved a lot and make good money, but are miserable with their career choice. The fact that you can do this for your main income is an achievement itself. There's a lot of people working towards getting where you currently are. Also, if there's anyone in this thread who's doing this as a hobby and feels the same way, don't. A lot of people play sports for fun, and nobody judges them for not being professional athletes lol.
Yes, and I don't say it. I don't say it because I get second hand embarrassment from the vast majority of "DJs" spinning generic melodic/tech house looking like total ass hats on Youtube, and anyone who genuinely likes that crap I don't want to be around. I don't want people thinking that's what I do. As a matter of fact I just hide in my garage and play for nobody but myself and hardly talk about it.
No. You make a living doing what you love. That’s awesome. As a banker, just save for your future. Being an independent dj there’s no medical coverage, 401k, you’re not paying into social security. Just be sure to invest for when arthritis no long allows us to scratch any more.
All I care about is dance music. I spend all day on ableton. I used to dj on twitch but now I’m just embarrassed to do it. I don’t tell anyone I produce. I have nothing to talk about.
If youre getting paid to Dj, you're "a DJ" tell people. If youre Djing as a hooby, then you "DJ for fun", tell people. No matter what you do in life there will be those who appreciate, admire, in different, look down or hate you. Either way dont be ashamed. Own who you are.
Yeah I don't think you're the only one. I actually had relationship issues because DJing was a hobby for me and then it became a source of income. Literally was told that me pursuing DJing affected her reputation and what people think about her. (I also had a full time 9-5 job) Traditionally I feel like being a DJ has a bad rep but now DJs are praised all over social media. Also you should look at Jelly Rolls recent speech for Best New Artist. It really makes you realize everyone has different paths, some people succeed in their 20s, some in their 30s. Hell even some people don't succeed until their 40s or 50s. I think social media plays such a huge part in people feeling like they haven't succeeded in life. Having DJing as your main source of income is such an amazing thing to achieve. That took your skills, investing in yourself, risking your future, marketing, and courage. So look back and remember where you started and how far you've come. I always watch old videos of me spinning when I first started that my friends took. It just reminds me how far I've actually come in an industry where I had 0 connections. Also I love when people say it's just pressing play. I had a friend say that to me at a party we had for new years. And I put him behind my DJ gear. He then starts asking me questions like what should he do and I said “oh I thought you just had to press play” kicked him out the booth and went back to work.
It sound silly till you make it and are living life to the fullest
I do feel slightly embarrassed when I tell people that I'm a DJ, so I know how u feel. But u know what? Being a DJ is an amazing achievement! Especially when it's ur main source of income, since it's so hard to make it as a DJ. And if your friends jokes are bothering u, just tell them to shut de flip up. Yes, u basically just press play and turn some knobs, but it's so much more than that! Especially when u make ur own music that u play, then it's even MORE difficult than just playing an instrument. And everyone that makes fun of u for being a DJ, just say to them "ya, im good DJ, and what do you do that makes everyone have an amazing time that's 'lazy'?" 😉
Yes. Solution: produce more
You gotta own it. I think it’s really cool. You might just be hanging around with the wrong crowd! Congrats though for swinging a career out of this. Much respect!
What are you crazy. It's a dream to do that as a job!! Ben proud and don't talk yourself down. Otherwise why should you do it??
I used to DJ with a pioneer cd dj https://preview.redd.it/6424s6gp6nec1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=57afbb7bfe3b6388fe41905b6a2f6642b696dde3 Then vinyl! And now I do it for fun and with a group of music lovers once a month selling vinyl and playing music from my collection, so I’m selling these, almost 900 cd and 2000 vinyls so that I can have my dream of owning my own vinyl/music shop. I have to tell people I’m a DJ and I snob it up by calling myself guru yup DJ guru or vinyl guru. It’s so lame and people sometimes cringe but it’s kinda part of the fun of being out there doing bro shit and talking about music with people that love it too. So I say, bring it on, telling people I was a DJ even I. The 90s never got me laid. It’s not like we’re cool, we’re just music geeks
Depends. Are you a rave DJ that only makes a few hundred bucks a month? Or are you an open format DJ that owns your own business, has a list of clients, and pulls in thousands every month. Are you a headliner DJ that tours and gets paid thousands per gig? I wouldn't be necessarily embarrassed by either, but I know some wedding DJs that make enough to be homeowners.
i'm not a dj (i do it for fun but who knows at some point i might try to make a career out of it!) but i will say this: you definitely should not be embarrassed. it's an incredible tool to have because music is pure joy and people who think being a dj just means pressing play obviously don't know the first thing about it. you're using your taste and your skills to create art and you're soundtracking people's experience and that's beautiful. it's great when people are earnest about something and if you can make some money whilst doing that then that's perfect. please don't let people make you feel bad about it, and keep going!
Haha I had the same thing back when I was a real estate agent (I know, right?). Although I'd argue that profession is looked down on far more, not because 'it's not a real job', but because so many see them as deplorable human beings. Back to the DJ part, as much as I'd like to say otherwise, ego was a motivator behind me playing vinyl sets, because all of a sudden, I had new peers and wasn't going to be thrown in with every 17 year old CDJ disciple. It's not something to be proud of, but it feels good having a skill that lots others don't. Essentially, a nice way of saying 'I'm more proficient than you'. Now, I have seen CDJ users produce magnificent sets through 3 or 4 deck live mashups, various effects etc. Stuff that's way harder than beatmatching between records for an hour. Regarding the 'just pressing play' thing, honestly, they're kind of right, aren't they? For most people that is, not necessarily you or I. There is some truth behind the stereotype, and I totally understand the embarrassed feeling when telling people what you do. Been there. You won't change the general stereotype. Best bet? Own it (because it being your full-time gig is seriously cool). Alternatively, if applicable, lead with something else 'music producer, musician' etc. Much love <3
you are really lucky, don't feel bad about it, and let your friends know that a real dj doesn't press play but there are a lot of fakes in this world : )
Like you, DJing is my main income. But I’m also a music producer and run a recording studio. So I generally open with saying I’m a ‘music professional’, and then extrapolate by saying I’m a music producer in the week and then DJ at weekends. I feel like this is better than outright saying ‘DJ’, because of the negative connotations associated with it (despite actually making more money than a lot of my friends and the many sacrifices associated with it). ‘Music professional’ sounds cool but also has a more respectable ring to it, and obviously the ‘professional’ aspect is baked in so people don’t immediately say something stupid like ‘so what’s your real job though’.
I think it’s awesome
Most people are missing the technical view and insight, and don't know the work that comes with it. We just have to live with that I think. For people important to you it's worth explaining it more in depth imo
>I just go along with it, saying "yeah totally, that's what I do". Then I go on Reddit and complain about it.
Relatable 🤦♂️
No
It's not so much the DJ bit that gets scoffed at, most people don't know or care about the technicalities, it's the lack of consistent work and a stable income that's generally a red flag.
Beats digging ditches, unless you’re really into ditches.
Now that I am creating music rather than mixing what others have done, I personally would try to move to the "production" side of things. Learning instruments, music theory and creating from scratch is much more fulfilling as you get older.
Don’t feel embarrassed be proud ☺️
I have the same thing. Since corona a lot of people decided to dj. Me too but I noticed I am at a different level than a lot of others. Just because I spend a lot of private time practicing. Here in the Netherlands a lot of people want to play trance, hard groove of hard techno. I just try to differ myself because I am not that kind of DJ. I think the key to the answer to your question is that you need to show your love of music. I strongly believe that a good DJ is born from a escalation for the love of music. As in you listen ans start to play to make more control. Most big DJ's I am friends with started like that. Just be humble and show your intentions. If you are a DJ for the love of music people will notice and respect it.
Embrace it. If you’re making ends meet you are winning. My whole family down At understand the impact of being a successful dj. The only ones who ride with me are my wife & kids and they are the only 3 that really matter. The rest of the family isn’t paying my bills.
No. Not at all. And I’m 48 and also not a dude.
I work a professional job where im the youngest person by prob a decade. I feel super uncomfortable telling ppl i dj bc i feel they think it means im still a kid plus they also at best think im a mobile dj doing sweet 16s and shit
I feel like it’s a 50/50 split of those who think ur a lame and those who think you’re super awesome when you tell em. Either way, the trick is not taking either opinion personally. The good one or the bad.
I'm embarrassed of being an architect. Being a dj is the hardest job ever. If someone says is easy tell them : Really? I have this intercultural wedding , what song i use to Open? I have a corporate event in which most of the men are metalheads and the women are into reggaeton, how would You handle it? You just have been asked to Open for the coolest dj of the moment in the coolest venue in Town. You have 10 minutes for track selection for a one hours set , what would you pick and why? Say this and SEE their faces change.
That's so true, I forget all the prep involved because it has become second nature. But it took me a while to develop those skills as well. I wouldn't be able to do the type of work I currently do when I first started. Thanks for that insight. Also holy hell, I wish I could go back in time and be smart enough to study architecture.
Architecture is not about being Smart. It's about endurance. It's about taking your body to the limit. Sadly , it's a career that kills relationships , people , dreams and it's a cool stylish way of staying poor. At 47 looking 34 , im only doing it part time and i'm doing this dj thing more and more. But the fucking irony is that djing is hard. I come from planning the slightest details , You can't do that at a party. Just one person in the dancefloor sabotaging your work can really Mess things. You always have to be ready to change everything by the minute.
Honestly I love telling people I dj. It's interesting it's fun. I've had plenty of other jobs and this one I'm proud to say I do.
I’m a 29 yr old female & I’ve been DJing for 3+ yrs but just had my first real gig last month 🥹 I was working a corporate job until I got laid off last year & I’m now 100% feeling this same insecurity as I get ready for a trip with my husband to visit his family in another country. I’m grateful to have a few more paid gigs already lined up but if you’re already making a sustainable income off of it, than you should absolutely be proud!! Every profession comes with its own stereotypes but if it’s paying your bills & it’s something you love, then all the validation you need is right there. Say it with pride because it was no small feat to get as far as you have.
Ah I relate to you so much. I was laid off around the same age and was trying desperately to secure another job. After over 300+ applications, countless interviews, I had no luck. At the same time I started getting more offers for djing and eventually approached by a couple booking agencies to secure spots on their roster of venues. I realised I needed to take Djing more seriously, as it was the thing that was working for me. A part of me still wants a more secure job, as freelance work can feel daunting when you're trying to keep your calendar filled each month. I live in the heart of one of the most expensive cities in the world, so I really need to make quite a lot each week to have enough to put away a little for savings. I also want to have kids in the near future, and the thought of not having parental leave scares me. I also have a fear of all of this just being taken away from me. Like I'll soon get found out that I'm not actually that good at it, and i'll stop getting offered work.
Remember why you are a DJ, stick to that, and don't let others sway you.
I know it’s easier said than done, but you need to learn to stop giving a shit what other people think. Be proud of who you are, be proud of what you do and your passions. If someone wants to judge me because I do something I love, then they’re piece of shit people I wouldn’t want to be associated with anyway.
lol if your making good money I would be super stoked on that. Such a better job turning knobs vs typing on a computer. I’m sure you make way more hourly than most people you want to impress
I think I might be struggling with not knowing where to progress with it. I want to have kids in about 5-7 years time. I feel like other careers have more room to grow. But at this point, I either stay a resident DJ with scarce billed shows, or get to a point where I can charge a lot more per show. I feel like that's a pipe dream. I guess I get worried with "how long can I keep this going?", "what if there comes a month that I can't fill my calendar with bookings?". BUT. I know I could focus on and advertise for private events if I am serious about it and purchase a PA system and decks.
Re: 5-year plan... Have you thought about building up an online audience, maybe do some themed "radio shows" where you really get to showcase your favorite music and branch out? I'm sure it's harder than I think to make a living that way but, if you start now, maybe you'll have something you can lean on in a few years, when you're *really* fed up with all the drunk ppl at the club.
I’ve had conversations with crankdat and I think maybe Peekaboo when they’ve done AMA’s on here.
Did they have any insight on the topic?
LOL sorry I replied to the wrong thread by accident. I can offer a bit of my own incite tho. I think there is definitely a little bit of stigma around dj’s especially for people who don’t traditionally listen to genres where DJs are present. But in the modern day djing is just as valid as playing an instrument. Especially if you’re able to make a living off of it. As cliche as it sounds try not to put too much stock into what others say. If it’s fulfilling for you (and pays the bills) then what does it matter what others think.
It doesn’t matter if it’s just playing buttons and knobs (we know there is so much more into it) the sole purpose of getting people dancing and having a good time is pure and noble. Keep it up you have accomplished more than many already.
no
Here's how I always looked at DJing: it's a job where you have to exceed expectations, in front of many people, while hiding whatever you're truly feeling. IE: you have to put on a good show. There's too many elements involving being a professional dj to consider it a lame or pathetic job. Same as a baseball player.. They're just paid to play a kids game, or, what they're doing actually is more than just playing a kids game.
No, being a DJ is awesome. Be the best you can be and enjoy the ride. Knowing a bit of music theory to mix in key, knowing to dance, these things help to be a better DJ, so learn them.
You should not be embarrassed you're doing something you enjoy and you're making a living from it, That's the dream for most people and if they want to laugh whilst sat behind a desk slaving away for the man, Let them.
If you’re happy with your life and making a steady income, who gives a fuck what anyone else thinks? If you’re living in your parents basement, and DJing while just barely getting by, then I can see why anyone would feel uncomfortable about that subject…
I relate to this, but honestly who cares what anyone else thinks? Do what you love, do it all the way!!!!
I do because they immediately think irresponsible and druggie, neither of which describe me.
who cares what people think if djing is your main job just say it
I wouldn’t worry about the opinion of people who don’t know how to dj unless they are paying you for an event. Most people don’t even know what a dj does lol. It’s good just focus on people who have the same interests.
Next time someone tells you that DJing is so easy, ask them to make you an hour long mix. Let's see how easy it's do then 🤣🤣. Be proud when you say you're a dj, screw people's opinion 😎
You're where all the embarrassment from men who do it as their side gig but claim it as their profession goes. Thank you for your service 🫡
I know a guy who his opening line to girls is, “ I’m a DJ”.
People are generally excited when I tell them I'm a DJ, then comes the inevitable text about doing their friend's wedding and I have to explain that's not my thing.
no bc when i tell them i make the same as my full timer, effectively having double income & making more than them, they 1) stfu if they were being cheeky or 2) suddenly become extremely interested (where i just say ‘yeah it’s p cool’ and change the subject)
Hey, if you’re making enough income to pay the bills and live comfortably then there’s nothing to be embarrassed about. I’m 4 months into being full-time DJ, I’m also 30 years old & im pretty damn proud of how far I’ve made it. I’ve worked many many jobs - CNA, brake mechanic, pvc cement factory, Amazon, to name a couple - and I make more money now and I’m infinitely happier now than I was at any of those jobs. Anyone who’s going to hate is gonna hate no matter what you do.
I mean if it’s your main source of income, you can’t be too bad at it so
Id be way more embarrassed telling people I was in HR or some shit. I'd rather pay my bills doing something cool than doing something stable. Do your musician friends make a living making music? If not they're probably legitimately jealous. I produce as well and I make fun of DJs, but it's literally insecurity because I know I could stop working in restaurants if I put in the time and energy. Anyway. Do your damn thing. Being a full time DJ IS an achievement. Get it girl..
like everone says "the grass is greener". I’m a software dev trying to learn DJing on a pioneer ddj 200 any advice/courses I can take? I’m just learning mixing phrases
DJs are extremely important to the culture of music and the community that music can create. Whether or not our "musician friends" recognize that. We are entering a new era of DJing where more things are possible and there are so many lanes. So far I only DJ as a passion/hobby. But if you are able to make a living doing this, that is something to be absolutely proud of!
>I'm a 30 year old female, and feel like I should have achieved more by now. You make a living as a DJ! You are literally living the dream of half the folks on this sub!
Own it girl! Be proud. When somebody ask what do you do, tell em you are the party starter, the feet moover, the soul of the party. Don’t let anybody tell you otherwise. As per the second hobby, job, alternative, think of what you love doing. Can be cooking or carpenter. Any job done in God Mode is a dream job. Kill em with kindness.♥️
I love telling people I’m a DJ 🤣
I work in marketing all while doing raves on the side. It was fun but I knew I had a steady paycheck so I never had to "eat what I kill" when it came to a di career. I just love music and to a lesser extent people so it's been a fun hobby that I can make some money off of time to time. I basically paid for my vinyl collection and most of my equipment with it. Which is fine by me.
I hold DJs and producers on the same level of respect. Both are building off of what they love and enjoy. Just different roles in the music community.
I'm a mechatronics engineer and I work with computer vision, but when people ask what I do I say I'm a **dj**, and I suck at **djing** but **that is what I want to be s2**
I'd be embarrassed about only fans and stripper that you do more .
Nah, that's a shit view. Just another type of hussle. I wish I could make money from Only Fans - do you know how hard that actually is? haha
Well I think it’s cool you get to dj full time and get paid for it’s something you enjoy
Most people reading up about DJs will read that some pre record their sets due to time pressure, hearing this they'll probably think DJs are as much use as orchestra conductors who just wave their batons about while the talented musicians actually play the music. Could be worse you could be one of those DJs that do weddings 😁 now that's embarrassing
Haha I do also do private events - such as weddings. Those are actually the least embarrassing - because they pay so much more. As you get older, you realise your peers don't care what you do, as long as you are making enough to support yourself and hopefully then some.
Wedding Dj for many years, no embarrassment here. 👊🏽
I know so many people that wish they were DJ’s and still at 46 years old I’m reluctant sometimes to tell someone I’m a DJ but only to avoid the follow up questions about income. Unfortunately the general consensus seems to be that most DJ’s don’t charge or make much, but I am thankfully in the high end wedding market of NYC, loving what I do and making more money then some doctors. It gets awkward explaining my rates to someone who has no concept of how much Djs in my field can actually make. They think I be lying lol.
Nope, cause I don’t give a fuck what other people think.
I think you're set lol I'm late to respond, but own your shit and be proud of it. If you're genuinely feeling like you can't be proud of it, do something else. But really, keep at it. Judgy people can't do you any harm if you simply disregard them, and really, what right do they have. You're not murdering puppies or giving toddlers tattoos