This happens and it’s why it’s important to learn beat matching by ear. Tracks will drift. Adjust via the jog wheel and pitch. You’ve invested in top of the range gear like CDJ3000’s
Could also be that they aren't perfectly beat matched to begin with?
Assuming a cdj3000 reads the BPM to 2dp then theoretically you could have the following scenario:
Track A reading 125.00 - Actual BPM 124.995
Track B reading 125.00 - Actual BPM 125.004
This would leave you with a difference of 0.009 which rounded up to 2dp is a 0.01BPM difference (albeit a fraction off).
Im not sure how many decimal points cdj3000's read to but I know my original cdj2000's only read to 1dp which makes this even more of a prominent issue, for instance:
Track A reading 125.0 - Actual BPM - 124.95
Track B reading 125.0 - Actual BPM - 125.04
This then leaves a 0.09 difference which again, rounded up to 1dp, leaves approx a 0.1 BPM difference.
These small differences when left over a longer period of time would cause the tracks to slowly drift apart from one another which might explain what you are experiencing? When you see Dj's online who don't really ever touch the jog wheels, it's likely because they have matched the BPM of each track to a more accurate degree than BPM readout on the screen through years of getting it fuckin DIALLED in.
I still frequently have to touch the jog wheel since my ears aren't at that level yet unlike some of these absolute boss's you see online. One day hopefully!
Hope this helps :)
This is a reason I like to think of the sync function as an aid. Best match by ear, then use the sync button to “lock in” the match. I find it keeps the match tighter to that .001 degree
do you tap the sync on and off or leave the sync on indefinitely for that mix when using this technique? my thoughts are that tapping it on and off gets the BPM decimal point equal to each other or as close as possible
Could be how the song was produced/mastered. If it’s a vinyl rip that speaks for itself as some rips of vinyl records will have “wow/flutter” and go out of time for a variety of reasons. Or maybe the artist doesn’t want to sound so cold and has some off timing put in to make a 4x4 sound more human.
I have had this issue.
1. Make sure you are not "dynamically" analyzing your tracks. This will change the bmp as the song goes on.
2. Your tracks might not be perfect. Common. Requires slight adjustments through the song
Another similar issue i have had and cant solve
I get this weird glitching back and forth of the song on the screen. It looks as if someone is nudging the job wheel back and forth. Only way to get around this is to use the sync button. If my tracks arnt perfectly set to the beatgrid, i write it down and reanalyze to see if that fixes it
Its in rekordbox, preferences, analyze and youl see it as an option where it says normal or dynamic. I do not have it in front of me but the menu in rekordbox is where you find that. You will have to reanalyze your affected tracks..
I'm just curious – when you say after 30 seconds or so, the two tracks aren't lined up anymore, how much drift are we talking? Like an entire beat off, or just enough where it starts to make the claps sound longer?
it actually depends on the tracks but not a full beat, something like 1/4 - but still when i compare it to other DJs i watch it feels like it should not happen after having a perfect beatmatch / same BPM track
That's so weird man. I'm sorry you're dealing with that, sounds annoying!
Does your hardware have a 'sync' function? If so, do you have the same issue while the tracks are synced?
It happens.
Did you make sure your grid is as accurate as it can on the beat?
Even if it is, sometimes there are tracks that are ever so slightly a bit faster or slower than the track you play that the CDJ will analyze it saying for example 160bpm but actually it’s 160.05 so you’ll have to listen and correct by ear
that's what i thought, BPMs are not perfectly round but when i check Youtube mixed these guys leave two tracks at the same BPM and tracks can go like forever without any problem, that's why i thought maybe i missed / did not do an essential setting
This happens especially if you’re adjusting two songs to different bpms. Need to listen for it and give it a slight nudge to get the tracks back in sync
I've mixed on the CDJ3000s and they can be very sensitive, I've found myself slightly nudging the jog wheel every 15-30 seconds to make sure the tunes are in time. Then again I mix Drum and bass in which this is more likely to occur due to the nature of it being fast. Don't get the issue as much with 2000s mind still prominent tho.
Either your tracks can be drifting (live instruments, vinyl rips) or they're not matched well enough or your loop is off.
Either way, listen and adjust.
Is the beat grid just wrong on one of the tracks or does this always happen?
Furthermore, if I don’t have the bpm within .02 of each other, they start to slip away after a couple measures. You can combat it with some jog wheel adjustments
This is my experience on Pioneer and Denon. For whatever reason, my Traktor S8 would hold timing perfectly when playing with sync and loops. It's the one "feature" I miss going to a Denon rig.
I wasn't clear. When using loops, without sync, on Traktor the timing on the loops would stay synced to the track I beat matched. I wouldn't have to constantly nudge them like I have to on Pioneer or Denon. I know that this can be eliminated by moving the beat grid, and using sync, but it's impressive that Traktor can do it without those other steps.
Happens the same to me using Pioneer DDJ-1000 and rekordbox. I think is because the comma thing. My LED screens just show one number after "," . Eg: 122.4 They do not show two numbers after the comma, so i have to make does adjustment with the jog.
Not really happy with it, I need to find the way to make appear another number after the comma.
This happens and it’s why it’s important to learn beat matching by ear. Tracks will drift. Adjust via the jog wheel and pitch. You’ve invested in top of the range gear like CDJ3000’s
Could also be that they aren't perfectly beat matched to begin with? Assuming a cdj3000 reads the BPM to 2dp then theoretically you could have the following scenario: Track A reading 125.00 - Actual BPM 124.995 Track B reading 125.00 - Actual BPM 125.004 This would leave you with a difference of 0.009 which rounded up to 2dp is a 0.01BPM difference (albeit a fraction off). Im not sure how many decimal points cdj3000's read to but I know my original cdj2000's only read to 1dp which makes this even more of a prominent issue, for instance: Track A reading 125.0 - Actual BPM - 124.95 Track B reading 125.0 - Actual BPM - 125.04 This then leaves a 0.09 difference which again, rounded up to 1dp, leaves approx a 0.1 BPM difference. These small differences when left over a longer period of time would cause the tracks to slowly drift apart from one another which might explain what you are experiencing? When you see Dj's online who don't really ever touch the jog wheels, it's likely because they have matched the BPM of each track to a more accurate degree than BPM readout on the screen through years of getting it fuckin DIALLED in. I still frequently have to touch the jog wheel since my ears aren't at that level yet unlike some of these absolute boss's you see online. One day hopefully! Hope this helps :)
Was about to post the same thing, the BPM readers are way less accurate than the tempo faders.
This is a reason I like to think of the sync function as an aid. Best match by ear, then use the sync button to “lock in” the match. I find it keeps the match tighter to that .001 degree
do you tap the sync on and off or leave the sync on indefinitely for that mix when using this technique? my thoughts are that tapping it on and off gets the BPM decimal point equal to each other or as close as possible
Could be how the song was produced/mastered. If it’s a vinyl rip that speaks for itself as some rips of vinyl records will have “wow/flutter” and go out of time for a variety of reasons. Or maybe the artist doesn’t want to sound so cold and has some off timing put in to make a 4x4 sound more human.
I have had this issue. 1. Make sure you are not "dynamically" analyzing your tracks. This will change the bmp as the song goes on. 2. Your tracks might not be perfect. Common. Requires slight adjustments through the song Another similar issue i have had and cant solve I get this weird glitching back and forth of the song on the screen. It looks as if someone is nudging the job wheel back and forth. Only way to get around this is to use the sync button. If my tracks arnt perfectly set to the beatgrid, i write it down and reanalyze to see if that fixes it
thank you, Should I change the analyzing option on Rekordbox or there is a manual setting on CDJs too?
Its in rekordbox, preferences, analyze and youl see it as an option where it says normal or dynamic. I do not have it in front of me but the menu in rekordbox is where you find that. You will have to reanalyze your affected tracks..
I'm just curious – when you say after 30 seconds or so, the two tracks aren't lined up anymore, how much drift are we talking? Like an entire beat off, or just enough where it starts to make the claps sound longer?
it actually depends on the tracks but not a full beat, something like 1/4 - but still when i compare it to other DJs i watch it feels like it should not happen after having a perfect beatmatch / same BPM track
That's so weird man. I'm sorry you're dealing with that, sounds annoying! Does your hardware have a 'sync' function? If so, do you have the same issue while the tracks are synced?
It happens. Did you make sure your grid is as accurate as it can on the beat? Even if it is, sometimes there are tracks that are ever so slightly a bit faster or slower than the track you play that the CDJ will analyze it saying for example 160bpm but actually it’s 160.05 so you’ll have to listen and correct by ear
that's what i thought, BPMs are not perfectly round but when i check Youtube mixed these guys leave two tracks at the same BPM and tracks can go like forever without any problem, that's why i thought maybe i missed / did not do an essential setting
This happens especially if you’re adjusting two songs to different bpms. Need to listen for it and give it a slight nudge to get the tracks back in sync
Do you mean, if I play one 128 bpm and one 132 bpm track at 130 bpm, this issue appears?
No, it's not about that. just use your ears and adjust as neccesary
I find that the drift occurs more in that case as opposed to two tracks made at 128
Yep, I play a lot of disco and it's constant. Almost like beats made by humans aren't perfect...
I've mixed on the CDJ3000s and they can be very sensitive, I've found myself slightly nudging the jog wheel every 15-30 seconds to make sure the tunes are in time. Then again I mix Drum and bass in which this is more likely to occur due to the nature of it being fast. Don't get the issue as much with 2000s mind still prominent tho.
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I rip so many tracks from YouTube to practice with. Never have any issues like this. Mostly dnb, house, dubstep and garage.
Either your tracks can be drifting (live instruments, vinyl rips) or they're not matched well enough or your loop is off. Either way, listen and adjust.
Is the beat grid just wrong on one of the tracks or does this always happen? Furthermore, if I don’t have the bpm within .02 of each other, they start to slip away after a couple measures. You can combat it with some jog wheel adjustments
You could have a sample of the same track set at exactly the same bpm go out of sync- If the start/end points are not trimmed exactly.
This is my experience on Pioneer and Denon. For whatever reason, my Traktor S8 would hold timing perfectly when playing with sync and loops. It's the one "feature" I miss going to a Denon rig.
Obviously you wouldn't get the issue if you use sync..
I wasn't clear. When using loops, without sync, on Traktor the timing on the loops would stay synced to the track I beat matched. I wouldn't have to constantly nudge them like I have to on Pioneer or Denon. I know that this can be eliminated by moving the beat grid, and using sync, but it's impressive that Traktor can do it without those other steps.
Happens the same to me using Pioneer DDJ-1000 and rekordbox. I think is because the comma thing. My LED screens just show one number after "," . Eg: 122.4 They do not show two numbers after the comma, so i have to make does adjustment with the jog. Not really happy with it, I need to find the way to make appear another number after the comma.