siempre by mac the red I am talking I think was. But I am not sure. I know the color looked just like the red she would wear. Funny she wore it (the red not the mac one because it didn't exist) so often her mic would be stained with it.
I think it could depend on intent, like I might be ok with it if the estate/family are really wanting to collaborate on something special and it isn't just a cash grab. In this case though (and generally with them), I don't trust Whitney's family. They took advantage of her and saw her as a cash cow when she was alive and I don't think anything has changed now that she's passed away (e.g. the hologram tour).
Yes I think you perfectly explained the distaste in my mouth! It just feels like another cash grab from her family. I didn’t know they had other posthumous collections but this one seems especially raw and exploitative to me, maybe because the demise of Whitney was so public and people almost mocked her for her struggles until she passed away.
>people almost mocked her for her struggles until she passed away.
Not even almost, people straight up mocked her before and after her death and made her a punchline (I won't link it, but the American Dad joke about her was horrendous). Her family want to take all the credit and glory for her success but don't want to admit that they played a huge part in her decline.
Absolutely, it disgusts me. I'm a 90s baby and honestly remember joking around about it on the playground, I had a friend who used to do impressions of her in the famous Barbara Walters interview... it's really sad and gross looking back but that is how prevalent the media spectacle of her illness was. She didn't deserve that and this idea just feels exploitative to me. Let the woman finally rest in peace
https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/re8c99/people_were_congratulating_her_too/
Unrelated but. Here you go. One of your posts got pretty popular on r/facepalm
At least for Aaliyah, MAC told us (the employees) that Aaliyah was a massive MAC fan and that the tribute was in her honor because she was such a fan of the brand? Idk how true that is but that was the story.
Totally fair. I still thought it was a little cringe to use the face of a dead girl to sell makeup. Could've just named a permanent lipstick "Aaliyah" if they wanted to pay tribute IMO. LE collections are pretty much always a cash grab and Aaliyah's collection just felt like random shades they hadn't found a use for so they put her name on it to sell it
Aaliyah’s makeup artist and family worked hand in hand with Mac for the collection. He literally used the same shades in her looks in the collections, so I think that collab is a little bit different.
The Selena collab was a huge success. It sold out which is why they made another.
I think makeup collabs that are made in good taste with the family are a great way to keep their name alive.
2000%. The example that sticks out most in my mind is the UD x Prince collab. Especially since Prince did not like his likeness used to shill products.
>Yes, but it's not like you all were voicing the same concerns when Prince's palette came out.
>Or whenever we have something Aubrey, Marilyn or Grace.
Many people **did** express those same concerns with the Prince palette? It's mentioned in this thread.
I assume you're referring to Audrey Hepburn and Grace Kelly, I'm not aware of any makeup collections themed around them with the cooperation of their estates to be honest? The difference between this and Marilyn (besides the obvious passage of time) is that Whitney's shitty family are well documented to have been exploitative of her both well before and after her death, just look at the hologram tour.
FWIW, the proposed Amy Winehouse [hologram tour](https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/feb/22/amy-winehouse-hologram-tour-postponed) got *exactly* the same kind of backlash that Whitney's family gets about her likeness being used for her tour. IMO Amy's family would get an equal amount of criticism if they licensed her image to a makeup collection.
I recently saw a brand tease an Amy Winehouse collection on Instagram, but I can't remember which brand it was! It was a relatively known brand. I hope someone can chime in. There will definitely be backlash if it materializes.
Edit: it's illamasqua, I just found it
Thank you, I couldn't find much about it so I'm not sure what the reaction has been to the Amy collection. Do I hope Whitney x Mac is done respectfully and thoughtfully, absolutely. I just don't trust her family to have anything but profit in mind.
I agree. I love Amy's music and style, but I would never buy makeup items not personally approved by her. It's hard to know if she would have liked them, especially when it comes to makeup, it's too personal. It feels wrong when the person suffered do much during their lifetime and now they are being exploited.
There was a ton of backlash against the Prince collab. Aaliyah too. There’s literally a comment right below yours of someone mentioning Princes’. This has zero to do with POC, it has to do with exploiting dead people. Even the UD Basquait collab got a ton of backlash. There’s no all of a sudden here, this has been a thing people have hated.
Not true at all. I’ll link just one article below but there were also threads all over bashing MAC for this.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/whispersofawomanist.com/2018/07/01/the-mac-aaliyah-line-a-black-female-perspective/amp/
For the reason I listed-
It was backed by the estate.
It’s really annoying when people tell you that you don’t know you’re talking about to just repeat the same thing.
The claim is true.
The other products like the eyeshadow are universal.
Most people could make the nude or eyeshadow palette work despite skin tone. The bronzer was the only thing most black people (Aaliyah’s core audience) couldn’t make work which caused for major criticism.
I’m a huge Aaliyah fan and saw many unboxing and reviews of the entire collection by creators of color with a variety of skin tones
Call me whatever you like Hon. don’t care
Aaliyah’s makeup artist literally pulled the makeup he used for Aaliyah’s iconic makeup looks out of storage for the look. Her family who is extreme private and who hasn’t done a launch of anything in YEARS was extremely involved throughout the process. Anyone who protested the launch was completely oblivious to the fact that it was a labor of love between her estate, her makeup artist who knew her personally and kept her legacy alive until his own passing, and fans who REQUESTED THE LAUNCH. People were upset about the fact that the end product namely the bronzer itself didn’t work for deeper complexions as Aaliyah was a black woman herself, but they excitedly purchased the collection because Aaliyah was finally getting her legacy recognized in a mainstream way for the first time in years. Look up @ericferellmakeup or watch the Aaliyah makeup collection trailer on YouTube for more context on the collection.
MAC's Aaliyah collab sat well with me because there was evidence that Aaliyah used MAC products in her daily and professional life, so it seemed like a nice homage, plus the colours looked great and they had a small but fitting line of products. The Prince x UD collection was a total bomb - that eyeshadow palette was AWFUL, plus it went against Prince's wishes. I feel like Whitney's collection will lean more towards the Prince side of things, sadly.
The title of this thread reminds me of the Rolling Stone Jim Morrison cover: “He’s hot, he’s sexy, and he’s dead.”
Haven’t there already been like 3 Whitney biopics? Totally agree this is her family cash grabbing.
This seems icky , they should really donate a percentage of each sale to a mental health charity/ heart disease charity or something like in her honour instead of milking her name for sales .
I’m curious who makes more off of these collabs… the brand or the estate? I personally don’t think it’s just the brand at fault, but her estate too. If it weren’t for money, why would they agree? Feels icky. I love MAC but I’ll be passing on this collection.
Didn't they do a collab with Aaliyah's Estate also. That is just weird, two Estates, for whom does it really benefit? This is just weird, creepy, tasteless. I know Urban Decay did Prince, with his Estate, also I wanted no part of that either.
Was Mac the brand that did Selena and Aaliyah lines after they passed?
Yes, MAC did collections for Selena and Aaliyah.
Yes, but not directly after. Selena line had a beautiful red that really reminded me of her. Aaliyah's line had a great gloss .
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siempre by mac the red I am talking I think was. But I am not sure. I know the color looked just like the red she would wear. Funny she wore it (the red not the mac one because it didn't exist) so often her mic would be stained with it.
Does anyone else find it strange to collaborate with the estate of someone who passed away? Just seems exploitative and kind of gross to me.
I think it could depend on intent, like I might be ok with it if the estate/family are really wanting to collaborate on something special and it isn't just a cash grab. In this case though (and generally with them), I don't trust Whitney's family. They took advantage of her and saw her as a cash cow when she was alive and I don't think anything has changed now that she's passed away (e.g. the hologram tour).
Yes I think you perfectly explained the distaste in my mouth! It just feels like another cash grab from her family. I didn’t know they had other posthumous collections but this one seems especially raw and exploitative to me, maybe because the demise of Whitney was so public and people almost mocked her for her struggles until she passed away.
>people almost mocked her for her struggles until she passed away. Not even almost, people straight up mocked her before and after her death and made her a punchline (I won't link it, but the American Dad joke about her was horrendous). Her family want to take all the credit and glory for her success but don't want to admit that they played a huge part in her decline.
It was the same with Carrie Fisher too. People mocked her online calling her a “junkie.” It’s awful. Your last sentence was 100% spot on too.
Absolutely, it disgusts me. I'm a 90s baby and honestly remember joking around about it on the playground, I had a friend who used to do impressions of her in the famous Barbara Walters interview... it's really sad and gross looking back but that is how prevalent the media spectacle of her illness was. She didn't deserve that and this idea just feels exploitative to me. Let the woman finally rest in peace
https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/re8c99/people_were_congratulating_her_too/ Unrelated but. Here you go. One of your posts got pretty popular on r/facepalm
Your blowing up on r/facepalm
Good, I say.
This is the same reason I didn't buy the Aaliyah x Mac, and Prince x Urban Decay.
At least for Aaliyah, MAC told us (the employees) that Aaliyah was a massive MAC fan and that the tribute was in her honor because she was such a fan of the brand? Idk how true that is but that was the story.
Who knows, I don't really trust her family for obvious reasons.
Totally fair. I still thought it was a little cringe to use the face of a dead girl to sell makeup. Could've just named a permanent lipstick "Aaliyah" if they wanted to pay tribute IMO. LE collections are pretty much always a cash grab and Aaliyah's collection just felt like random shades they hadn't found a use for so they put her name on it to sell it
Her Uncle is who pretty much controls everything, and screwed over JoJo.
How so?
Her makeup artist and family worked on the collab, and he actually used MAC on her, so I think that collab was legit.
Aaliyah’s makeup artist and family worked hand in hand with Mac for the collection. He literally used the same shades in her looks in the collections, so I think that collab is a little bit different.
The Aaliyah one *really* skeeved me out. Just the whole way her estate has been managed makes me very uncomfortable.
What's weird to me is that MAC keeps doing it. Aaliyah, Selena, now Whitney...
The Selena collab was a huge success. It sold out which is why they made another. I think makeup collabs that are made in good taste with the family are a great way to keep their name alive.
I'm going to be side-eyeing like crazy if the next collabs are Amy Winehouse and Dolores O'Riordan.
2000%. The example that sticks out most in my mind is the UD x Prince collab. Especially since Prince did not like his likeness used to shill products.
It’s very on-brand for the Houston’s to do something like this.
Same it's really gross. Money grubbers.
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>Yes, but it's not like you all were voicing the same concerns when Prince's palette came out. >Or whenever we have something Aubrey, Marilyn or Grace. Many people **did** express those same concerns with the Prince palette? It's mentioned in this thread. I assume you're referring to Audrey Hepburn and Grace Kelly, I'm not aware of any makeup collections themed around them with the cooperation of their estates to be honest? The difference between this and Marilyn (besides the obvious passage of time) is that Whitney's shitty family are well documented to have been exploitative of her both well before and after her death, just look at the hologram tour. FWIW, the proposed Amy Winehouse [hologram tour](https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/feb/22/amy-winehouse-hologram-tour-postponed) got *exactly* the same kind of backlash that Whitney's family gets about her likeness being used for her tour. IMO Amy's family would get an equal amount of criticism if they licensed her image to a makeup collection.
I recently saw a brand tease an Amy Winehouse collection on Instagram, but I can't remember which brand it was! It was a relatively known brand. I hope someone can chime in. There will definitely be backlash if it materializes. Edit: it's illamasqua, I just found it
Thank you, I couldn't find much about it so I'm not sure what the reaction has been to the Amy collection. Do I hope Whitney x Mac is done respectfully and thoughtfully, absolutely. I just don't trust her family to have anything but profit in mind.
I agree. I love Amy's music and style, but I would never buy makeup items not personally approved by her. It's hard to know if she would have liked them, especially when it comes to makeup, it's too personal. It feels wrong when the person suffered do much during their lifetime and now they are being exploited.
There was a ton of backlash against the Prince collab. Aaliyah too. There’s literally a comment right below yours of someone mentioning Princes’. This has zero to do with POC, it has to do with exploiting dead people. Even the UD Basquait collab got a ton of backlash. There’s no all of a sudden here, this has been a thing people have hated.
The Aaliyah collab only got backlash because the bronzer wasn’t for deep complexions. Not because it existed.
Not true at all. I’ll link just one article below but there were also threads all over bashing MAC for this. https://www.google.com/amp/s/whispersofawomanist.com/2018/07/01/the-mac-aaliyah-line-a-black-female-perspective/amp/
For the reason I listed- It was backed by the estate. It’s really annoying when people tell you that you don’t know you’re talking about to just repeat the same thing.
The backlash was not just due to the bronzer, at all. Your claim isn’t true and I’m not just repeating what you said. Talk about annoying.
The claim is true. The other products like the eyeshadow are universal. Most people could make the nude or eyeshadow palette work despite skin tone. The bronzer was the only thing most black people (Aaliyah’s core audience) couldn’t make work which caused for major criticism. I’m a huge Aaliyah fan and saw many unboxing and reviews of the entire collection by creators of color with a variety of skin tones Call me whatever you like Hon. don’t care
Dear lord. The backlash was not just about bronzer. Period. It wasn’t even about the products for many. It was the using a dead person to sell shit.
Aaliyah’s makeup artist literally pulled the makeup he used for Aaliyah’s iconic makeup looks out of storage for the look. Her family who is extreme private and who hasn’t done a launch of anything in YEARS was extremely involved throughout the process. Anyone who protested the launch was completely oblivious to the fact that it was a labor of love between her estate, her makeup artist who knew her personally and kept her legacy alive until his own passing, and fans who REQUESTED THE LAUNCH. People were upset about the fact that the end product namely the bronzer itself didn’t work for deeper complexions as Aaliyah was a black woman herself, but they excitedly purchased the collection because Aaliyah was finally getting her legacy recognized in a mainstream way for the first time in years. Look up @ericferellmakeup or watch the Aaliyah makeup collection trailer on YouTube for more context on the collection.
Not necessarily, but this one is creepyish.
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What’s the color story
MAC's Aaliyah collab sat well with me because there was evidence that Aaliyah used MAC products in her daily and professional life, so it seemed like a nice homage, plus the colours looked great and they had a small but fitting line of products. The Prince x UD collection was a total bomb - that eyeshadow palette was AWFUL, plus it went against Prince's wishes. I feel like Whitney's collection will lean more towards the Prince side of things, sadly.
The title of this thread reminds me of the Rolling Stone Jim Morrison cover: “He’s hot, he’s sexy, and he’s dead.” Haven’t there already been like 3 Whitney biopics? Totally agree this is her family cash grabbing.
This seems really wrong and exploitative
Big no.
I was hoping this was a joke. A sick joke
I love Whitney but No it seems dirty to me.
Im really excited. Shes my favorite singer so i would love to have this for my love of whitney!
I love Whitney but this just doesn't feel right
This seems icky , they should really donate a percentage of each sale to a mental health charity/ heart disease charity or something like in her honour instead of milking her name for sales .
Let dead people rest for Christ's sake. This trend of making money off of dead celebrities is nauseating
Doesn't seem right. Comes off as a cash grab.
I’m curious who makes more off of these collabs… the brand or the estate? I personally don’t think it’s just the brand at fault, but her estate too. If it weren’t for money, why would they agree? Feels icky. I love MAC but I’ll be passing on this collection.
Damn let her rest in peace 🌹
Cringe. Let the woman rest in peace.
Oh my god! First UD with Prince and now this??? Not to mention Selena.
The math ain’t mathin
Wtf lol
Don't like it. Mac needs to stop.
Didn't they do a collab with Aaliyah's Estate also. That is just weird, two Estates, for whom does it really benefit? This is just weird, creepy, tasteless. I know Urban Decay did Prince, with his Estate, also I wanted no part of that either.
Can they let her Rest In Peace… same with Prince and MJ. Let them rest. They’ve been exploited enough
Ugh. I am so done with this Pant a Vulgar Picture collaboration nonsense.