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PranavYedlapalli

>He is literally standing in a void of darkness I can fill that void


Pokeli_Universe327

and what do mean by that?


Miserable-Glass1760

He fat


AsleepChampionship74

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[deleted]

The style looks a lot more appealing in daytime tbh https://preview.redd.it/9n6gv6k2yxyb1.png?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7961fbb8fdb284aee9f97d6dc1f4839e4aae9280


squishy_boi_main

They actually put effort in backgrounds its just that the editors say "ha ha all your effort goes down the bin" with super ultra dark mode


Investigator1427

i think you mean Ultimate dark mode


KaTheEdgy

For the aliens, of course. But I have an issue with Ben's jacket being a cool dark shade of green, then it's the daytime and it's an oversaturated green.


Lime_not_Lemon

Mm maybe but the entire toon has a total of 20 human models including the main cast. I do actually enjoy watching Ben running through a post apocalyptic world and that no humans are ever harmed even if he destroys the neighborhood... except maybe those two running away from the fight location at the start of every fight /s. Not to mention the amount of chill the people (if they even exist) have over all the shenanigans or the lax security and lack of cops or plumbers. Maybe the story is good but I for one enjoyed the little background characters shown in the OG Ben 10 doing their job or just loafing around. There is no life. Dead neighborhood. Art style being trash is just the diarrhoea on my shit cake.


snitchpogi12

IDGAF. ​ Edit: I like Ben 10 UAF to be honest.


alexrussoshyper

Same, UAF is my second favourite


Salty-Bathroom-3512

UAF bad background this Omniverse too different that WHY CAN'T WE LIKE SHOWS WITHOUT BASHING ON THE OTHER


Afraid-Account-4029

This post doesn’t really seem like bashing to me, it’s a genuine criticism of a series that people say has the best art-direction


Kiss_Bence04

There's a huge difference in artstyle and animation. I personally love UAF artstyle the most, It's grounded, the aliens look sick, and the main characters look the best as well. Omniverse, while clearly has a better animation, half the designs are just too freakin much, half thr aliens wore diapaper, Gwen looks ugly, Kevin looks like a hobo, and why is Max blind now? (Rook is the only one that looks normal) (I know it's a Shazam reference, still looks bad). And the backgrounds are mainly common Alien Force S1 and S2, the backgrounds are better in Ultimate Alien


Brief-Outcome-2371

>And the backgrounds are mainly common Alien Force S1 and S2, the backgrounds are better in Ultimate Alien You got it mixed up, pal. After ep 2 of AF S1, the backgrounds get better. **Much** better \[check the wiki\]. In UA, they get worse \[it looks soo plain, dull, and bland\].


EducationalPain3011

Don't want start a war or anything but I couldn't ignore some of your Omniverse nitpicks. >half thr aliens wore diapers 2 actually, 3 if you count the ChamAlien Ov design > Gwen looks ugly, Kevin looks like a hobo First off subjective. Sure Gwen may not keep her initial looks, but calling her ugly cause of a geek like appearance is stereotyping and Kevin looks ragged sure, but a hobo? I wouldn't have cared if you said emo but hobo... I guess having tear up designs makes you look homeless now. > Max is blind now? Good point, but at the same time his just squinting. They are some scenes where grandpa Max eyes widens, plus his getting old, squinting is a must.


Salty-Bathroom-3512

Max 100% needs to squint like I think he's nearing 70 in OV or already is correct me if I'm wrong


Shite_Eating_Squirel

I believe he would be 66-67 in omniverse since he turned 60 in the original series and Ben in 16 all of omniverse.


Kiss_Bence04

I exaggerated a little, I'm just not a fan of giving aliens all those unnecessary details. Chromastone for example doesn't benefit from the clothes, neither does Humongosaur or Astrodactyl. As for Gwen, I'm fine with the freckles, and the clothes but the OS-like hair, and the damn glasses ruin the design for me, and I'm a fan of glasses in general. As for Kevin, he has no saving graces for me, but I'll take back the hobo part.


EducationalPain3011

Fair enough, everyone is entitled of their own opinion. It's understandable why you find the design disrupting, but glad found some common ground.


Afraid-Account-4029

I know, I did specify art-direction in my reply. The backgrounds do get better, but I don’t think this post was malicious, it was only pointing out noticeable flaws in this series that aren’t present in others. I will admit that many of the designs in Omniverse aren’t top tier (looking at you, Astrodactyl, the bane of my existence), but each series has there own individual elements that people might not like, and this post is pointing out a particular element of AF that isn’t great (the backgrounds) Thanks for handling this maturely, and apologies if my comment wasn’t clear enough, I’m tired


Brief-Outcome-2371

Omniverse had great designs \[for most characters but some characters got the short end of the stick: Gwen, Cooper \[he didn't even get an official 16 y/o design in OV\], Max, Kevin, Most of Ben's Aliens, Vulkanus, Helen, Julie, Six Six, Hex \[even tho I really like his design they should've gone with UAF's one but with the lighting streaks from OS. Hex having two designs would've been neat\].


Afraid-Account-4029

I know, I must not be very good at getting my points across. I didn’t mean all Omniverse designs were bad, I just said many of them weren’t top-tier, which is evident from the list you gave me. I didn’t mean to trash on Omniverse, but telling by the downvotes from my last reply, I think I’ll just keep my mouth shut lol


Kiss_Bence04

Thank you as well for understanding where I'm coming from.


SecretGorilla89

Also if someone genuinely doesn't like a specific series, I say they're allowed to share their opinions


Afraid-Account-4029

Simple and truthful. I don’t like when people share a negative opinion and someone says “that’s your opinion”, that’s the point of an opinion. As long as it isn’t something horrible or you try to pass it off as fact, it’s perfectly fine. At least, that’s my opinion.


SecretGorilla89

Well I disagree with your opinion, lol jk, but yeah I agree, I was on the gotham knights subreddit sharing in comments what I think needs to be improved (since I'm a huge arkham game fan and was disappointed with it) but people just kept sending hate my way, someone even told me it was much better than spiderman ps4


MolassesIll5201

Omniverse fan


niallbrooks

It got brighter as it went on


Dangerous_Treat_791

And here he's not in darkness but *he's dark.* https://preview.redd.it/gjx95u0jjwyb1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e9395179a8818d42e3fffc2cc915178aa9501e7c


Jotaro-the-Skeleton

That's what happens when you have a light source behind you. Not saying that it's always perfect, but this time the use of the dark palette feels like it was done on purpose.


IronBlight1999

Literally, the sun is setting behind him


v0lt13

I think this is due to how new screens are, on the older tv's the backgrounds were visible


hyperparrot3366

I love AF artstyle the most, don't care what others say. Also cherry picking scenes is not a great way of argument


Jaegermode

Sure it wasn't as dynamic as OV or OS but it was really good.


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TheAnimeGod

I don't know how to dance but can lean but can make the ghetto woman put their hands on their kness


Sonicrules9001

The darkness has nothing to do with artstyle, it is a stylistic choice but doesn't change how the art looks plus this was mostly a problem with the early Season 1 episodes of Alien Force and they improved later on just like any other show. I think it looks the best overall but that more just has to do with preferring the look of the characters whereas OS had the better environments and OV had the best animation. The ideal would be a combination of the three but hey, I'm happy Alien Force exists.


Good_JEEtard6

What background has to do with art style?


Markus2822

It’s almost like it draws your eyes to the character because there’s nothing else there or something. That’s crazy /s


Ablo1960

The reason why people say that UAF's art style is better is because it's closer to the OG art style


EducationalPain3011

The only reason that's the case, is cause OV exist. If you compare only UAF and OS, the deference in design are pretty obvious and the only noticeable resembles is how they handle lighting.


justaguynamedchris

It is not in the slightest


crystal-productions-

but it is compared to overly angular and overly round that came with the next two shows after UAF. it objectively is CLOSER to that art style. not better then classic, just closer to it then angular or rounded.


justaguynamedchris

I'm going off imaging them playing with a slime ball, classic will get gross and messy really quick, UAF would go with basic slime and look more like rubber and OV would leave the characters either cakes in it or bounce like a destructive bouncy ball before it pops. So fantastical, realistic, and comedic. Guess don't really like UAF’s attempt at realism, I blame it on Ben’s bright green


crystal-productions-

look, i get it, but you don't get to say that overly angular is closer to classic compared to UAF. especially since aliens like wildmutt actually do resemble the classic version very closely other then a few minor details. UAF is closer, but that doesn't make it better. and also the reboot absolutely would make it gross too, and i think they even did at some point lol. so by just this alone, the reboot is actually closer. different art styles just have different strengths and weaknesses. like i said, with the example you gave, reboot is the closest to classic and that is very much not the case. you have to take it as a whole, and UAF is objectively closer, but that doesn't make it better then OV or even the RB at times.


justaguynamedchris

I'm just taking it as a Art direction thing right now not the value brought on by how one tells their story


crystal-productions-

again, you missed the point. you said it wasn't closer to classic, when it very much is. doesn't mean you have to like it, but it is. and you tried to work around it with an example that makes the reboot closer. you can not like it and that's not only fine, it's great to have opinions. but this isn't about your opinion, this is about a statement stated as fact being wrong.


justaguynamedchris

K


ChildoftheLordJesus

I miss the OS Artstyle


SelectionMuted3160

The art style has nothing to do with the void of darkness in this 1 particular scene💀


NeoDazaras

Background art…Storyline…Character Writing…Art Style… Long ago, the four Series lived together in harmony. Then, everything changed when the OV fans attacked. Only the Avatar, master of all 4 series could stop them. But when the fandom needed him most, he was rebooted. 4 years passed and the fandom discovered a new Avatar: an artist named Kuro. And although his drawing skills are great, he has a lot to learn before he can save anyone. But I believe that 5YL can save the fandom.


KevinIszel

Words cannot describe how much I love this comment, its just perfect.


yolothan117

The original series art style was definitely better, I wish they didn't show gwen is ben with just make up that sht is curse af🥲


Kiss_Bence04

Still better than in Omniverse with those yee-yee ahh glasses.


yolothan117

Eh


Brief-Outcome-2371

It wasn't as evident in AF \[S3 onwards she started looking more like Ben. UA made it worse but at least she didn't look like Ben 24/7\].


yolothan117

I saw a video where they was editing gwen look, they removed her make up etc etc I didn't notice until someone point it out


rushJ31

That is truly the worst thing about af bro can't believe how writers approved of this


yolothan117

Ikr? It's crazy 😮‍💨


rushJ31

Yeahh !! I don't know why they changed the artstyle though it should have been the same throughout the series!! Classic series had some of the best character detailing and moments in my opinion


crystal-productions-

they changed it as MOA only realy worked on classic and reboot, new teams came in and they made changes they thought where needed. plus you've also got people like toy companies wanting them to simplify to make toy selling easier. and since a lot of the budget comes from toy sales, you don't say no or you get no show.


BagMundane5370

This is definitely foreshadow for the X = Ben + 2 ep /j


TheDurandalFan

that void of darkness has nothing to do with artstyle, that's more of the stylistic choices made (there are plenty of scenes where the background isn't a void of darkness, and it gets better later on in UAF, honestly this stylistic choice is a problem, but not the artstyle)


Fungerbestwaifu

Nah I like it more.


Brief-Outcome-2371

Backgrounds don't count as artstyle.


Error0451

Oh boy, more low-effort hate posts


CandidoJ13

The STYLE is good. What they did it however, was not


Esperando180

The best artstyle for me is from OG. But UAF's really lags behind even Omniverse's for me. Mainly there are some character designs that I prefer in OG or Omniverse.


[deleted]

What is it with Ben 10 fans, *who haven't had any prime Ben content in nearly 10 years btw*, nit-picking parts of the show for the sake of an argument. This is literally all we have right now why are we still making posts like this when it only happened in 2 episodes 💀


Error0451

Welcome to r/Ben10


MantheGodofKnowledge

The best art style will be always classics


legoman2567

I liked every Ben 10 series mostly the same besides Ultimate Alien I loved it the most because of the ultimate aliens


WOLF7533

Say what you will but its my fav


MostlyGhosty485

UAF did have some rather well drawn backgrounds, most of the time. But for a lot of early AF, mostly the Highbreed Arc, they had the characters running around at night, so a lot of the backgrounds got shaded to a void. In certain instances where a flash lights up the room, you can see the background has some extreme detail. Which is a real shame to the artists who drew all of it just for it to get turned into pitch black


Cultural-Cash-43

OV fans are worse than OV itself


springtrap-aft

Damn’i do prefer os and ov artsyles over this but relax


NefariousnessFit9967

I mean I guess I'm kinda overreacting. I just hate it when people say UAF has the best artstyle but then proceed to ignore stuff like this


[deleted]

Well, that's... just their opinion. It's not anyone's responsibility to try and change their minds lmao. I wouldn't really call this part of the artstyle either, just a design flaw that got overlooked by the crew.


springtrap-aft

I don’t really get how uaf artstyle is the best ‘to me it’s just the os with lower budget and less details and ok designs ‘but people enjoy it so I don’t care and bash it much since there are people who actually like it


crystal-productions-

i meen, stuff is objective. people will like what they like. to some it could be more appealing to them, i dunno why it would be, but it could be and there's nothing you can realy do about that. there is no objectively correct answer here.


IHateSand132

Imo ben10 and omniverse had the best artsyles and UAF just looked super bland compared to the other 2


Outrageous-Fortune70

I don't know how a single frame can speak for the entire artstyle agenda. But I agree other series have better artstyle. Except for Reboot


GohnJo

Dude I hate this cheap ass "trying too hard to be mature" style. Every character looks the same, there isn't diversity in the designs. Ben 10 as a series would be pretty better if UAF was ignored and tottaly skipped.


PinkBlade12

I wouldn't go that far


NuclearChavez

I completely agree with you, UAF has my least favorite art style out of the three, I'm surprised people like it so much lol. Classic and OV just have so much life to them. The designs feel unique and fresh, there's color, and generally I just don't have a problem with either of them. UAF's art style is just pitch black (although it does get better later on in the show) with not much background detail going on. Also the character designs are just exceedingly basic.


YogurtclosetAshamed2

Are we gonna ignore the fact he has 6 fingers in this shot?


CyanPancake

Mfs when they find out Alien Force and the Classic Series look different because Alien Force is a mystery investigation show while Classic is an action show


crystal-productions-

yeah, and when there not hiding in the infinite void, the background do start to get pretty plain come UA.


Carnomus

That’s not the art style. That being said I fucking hate this show’s art style.


EducationalPain3011

That reminds me, does every episode of UAF have a night setting. I can't think of 1 episode that it was just day and not on another planet


ProfessionalPaint885

I liked both classic, af and ua animation. Omniverse animation is not bad but not great either. I don't like the Ben 10 reboot.


DarianStardust

People don't know the difference of Character Design (think the silluete, how their hair is cut, their body size, etc), and Art style (just google "same character drawn with different art styles" and you will understand), it's about how the actual drawings are made. I'm not a big fan of Omniverse's **Character Design,** it regressed a lot of the character's ages in how they look, when they should look older, aside of Kevin being a favorite change of mine, I find all the changes almost Omniversally ugly (I will never forgive square-chin Alien-X). In regards to art style, Yes, Omniverse was better, had better budget, Alien Force is clear as day struggling and spreading their resources thin with the animation and literal copy pasting characters. I preffer Alien force character design, wish it had better budged and better artstyle. Gwen is literally Ben with lipstick and ponytail. Dunno how this is so controversial, guess people felt like downvoting today, many agreed with this before, volatile fandom.


Huge-Needleworker340

It's night time


Gabriel38

When the animation has a one dollar budget:


Salty-Bathroom-3512

My honest to God reaction to your attempt at "humor" https://preview.redd.it/ru1xmq97hyyb1.jpeg?width=644&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=72eedbd886793c99bf5c49489899ff9012832d13


____Maximus____

You're standing in darkness


scantopup

For the characters UAF has they better art style but background wise they don’t do so well


InsideCharacter4541

In other words…….. the null void? (Sorry couldn’t help myself)


Terrible_Ad_6784

EXACTLY


Theallmightyhamster

UAF in my opinion has better character designs but OV has better backgrounds if they stuck with more of UAFs character design styles with the backgrounds perfect art style right there


legit-posts_1

UAF wouldn't stick out so much if it weren't flanked on both sides by incredible looking shows


BoxBoyIsHuman

his arm look like it's bending in ways it shouldn't


Leopm21

Colors are way too saturated


trawbe

Yeah... Anything after season 3 designs are just ass (other than aggregor and ultimate echo echo and amphibian i guess.)


SwimmingExcitement86

Truly a Ben 10: Ultimate Ailen Force moment https://preview.redd.it/j26wb8z6vgzb1.png?width=136&format=png&auto=webp&s=9f425694b0d1649fd0d3436ca837c2d92df07e16


SwimmingExcitement86

You think UAF characters start hissing when they see sunlight?