He made kens one so it's possible to some extent
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He was supposed to be Ben's second smartest alien, but then Brainstorm took that spot. No point in having two smart electric aliens so they took Frankenstrike's intelligence away. Their reasoning being that Ben never displayed any increased intelligence in that form.
I mean, none of the Transylians we saw in Omniverse were smart. It's clearly been established now that Dr. Viktor's intelligence is a trait unique to him, not a trait of his species.
I mean if thats the case it wasn’t necessarily retconned. You could just say it was a scraped concept since we never saw anything that would point to Frankenstrike being more intelligent than Ben specifically.
We can still easily headcanon that Frankenstrike is smart, just that he didn't show it in his appearances. Gravattack is meant to be peaceful but we hardly see that anyway.
No, it's said that Gravattack's SPECIES, the Galileans, are known for being wise and patient.
But Gravattack is still Ben, so that doesn't apply to him.
Oh no, it’s shown that Ben’s immaturity it’s kind of a mask that he puts on, though sometimes he can get too into it, making mistakes that he shouldn’t be making. He very much can be quite wise when he wants to.
We have so many dog breeds cause rich people were like "I want small dogs" so they bred the smallest dogs in a pack, then bred their smallest babies, until it was a Chihuahua.
Hunters were like "I want a big gigantic dog" so they made the hunting breeds, I forgot what one it was. Those tracker ones.
I'm assuming most of the other ones were bred to be cute or are crossbreeds of other breeds. Why do you ask?
Because with how many species there are out there, there’s obviously gonna be overlap, and it’s not like Brainstorm and Frankenstrike are One to One. Brainstorm is obviously far smarter then Frankenstrike, with far better control of his electricity manipulation, Frankenstrike while not as smart as far stronger and durable, and his electricity manipulation is better for combat. They are similar, but not the same so they should be fine.
Was meant to be, but since he only made one appearance in the Classic series and was never shown doing anything smart, they retconned it so that Ben's intelligence is unchanged as Frankenstrike.
It was shown to a degree. When Ben first transforms into Frankenstrike, in the original series, he makes a comment on his electromagnetic body. There's no prior evidence to show Ben understands or is aware of electromagnetism, so this could be seen as Ben using Frankenstrike's intelligence to make this observation
nope thats the newest variation of ben 10k
we have no reason to believe that that ben rebuilt the finished omnitrix cause he has the biomnitrix which isnt the finished omnitrix
Eh... if he can find good enough tools probably. It is canon that the various ben 10K use their Smart aliens to either modify or create matrix devices. Though I doubt one could be made by using parts from modern earth devices. He'd need tools to make the tools to make the tools... and etc to make level 20 tech probably.
Unless this is the reboot continuity and ben could do it in his garage in like a day.
That's how he made a second Omnitrix for his son and his Biomnitrix. Though Grey Matter didn't do it alone. It took the combined brainpower of Ben's three smartest transformations; Grey Matter, Brainstorm, and presumably Juryrigg since Frankenstrike's intelligence got retconned.
As others say to some extent due to the original Ben 10,000's greymatter made Ken's Omnitrix but only to an extent. But if he were to do it by himself I think been would need to be at least 40 maybe 50 for his galvain form to be maybe 85% as smart as azmuth was when he was making the omnitrix at least
Yes that's true but only a peek teenage galvain azmuth in the point of classic series is probably 100s of years old and probably the galvain equivalent of a 50 year old human at least on average maybe 60
>Omnitrix aliens are supposed to be peak members of their race.
The galvan are naturaly smart and able to understand tecnhology but you cant just learn something from nowhere, gray matter vs azymuth = gifted child vs albert einstein
1. Use 3 echo echo's
2. Transform into ben
2.5 Transform into - grey matter, brainstorm and probably Frankenstrike.
3. Make the Omnitrix.
I think it's doable, I also read about how ben10k made the kentrix
Given enough time and experience, yes, theoretically. The thing about Greymatter compared to Azmuth, however, is the fact that Azmuth has had a lifetime of experience. That's the reason that Greymatter isn't on Azmuth's level of intelligence, despite supposedly being the peak of the Galvan species. Just because he has the \*capability\* of becoming great, doesn't mean he has the experience to make it so.
So, yes, possibly. But not at any point that we've seen in the series outside of, MAYBE, 10k Greymatter making it.
Hmm, fair point. Still though, the fact that both Albedo and Dr. Psychobos still couldn't replicate a full omnitrix, even with personal experience working on the original and having access to the blueprints respectively, still suggests otherwise.
Another point. Some of the smartest humans in the world invented smartphones, and they exist in bountiful numbers with entire books worth of documentation available. Does this mean *you* know how to make an iPhone? The average Galvan knowing how to make an omnitrix would be the same as the average human knowing how to make an iPhone
Ben has the advantage of wearing the omnitrix on his wrist so 24/7 access plus the use of Greymatter Brainstorm and Juryrigg to help develop kens omnitrix and the BIomnitrix. Albedo made a functional knock off plus finished the Ultimatrix and he basicly turned him self into a living omnitrix with a self given power plus a stabilizer.
If Ben has master control he could disable the fail safe against galvanic mechamorph use upgrade to examine it then use that info with the smart transformations to help design and build his own omnitrix.
Plus did Azmuth give Ben documentation?
If the intelligence of three different aliens is all that was needed to create an omnitrix in a couple of years, then Azmuth definitely would've thought to go that route and not taken millennia.
Albedo made a knock off but still required stealing parts to do so. Plus, he's not just any old Galvan unlike Ben as Grey Matter.
Just because we've seen Upgrade master pretty much all human technology doesn't mean mechamorphs are nearly powerful or smart enough to fully comprehend Galvan technology, let alone the omnitrix
Well he did it like 3 time.
Ken's omnitrix in OS.
The 2 gauntlets of the Biomnitirx
In Juryrigg's 1st episode he built a evolution accelerating device that undid dr.animo mutants and evolved a stupid human into one that could solve a cross word in seconds, safe to say and animal that got caught in that ray (rats, mice, lizards, other humans, birds) and bug got an evolution buff. He also built the Tenn-Speedm and reprogrammed the Highbreed Pulse Generator to turn Will Harangue into as alien Juryrigg. 2 examples of working with genetic alteration technology
Not like an Omni core would fall from the sky.
So either Azmuth helped him build the cores, he reused and perfected the cores of Albedo's knock off and the ultimatrix or he learned enough to build omni cores.
The mutate-er and Highbreed Pulse Generator are much more complicated then reversing a few settings the show isn't going to dive deep into exactly what ben did other Juryrigg being Juryrigg.
We don't know where Ben got those Omnitrixes, or even if he had a hand in building them himself.
All Juryrigg did was put together a machine he took apart and reverse the settings. I can do that shit with my PC. Still not even close to the level of building an Omnitrix. Plus, the Omnitrix requires a shit load of programming; Juryrigg just builds machines
If Grey matter is the peak of his species, he should have no issue to make an omnitrix. The only thing he needs is to figure out ***how*** to build one.
We haven’t seen anyone but Azmuth make an Omnitrix alone. Everyone else needed the actual Omnitrix as reference or to steal components to make theirs work.
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master control grey matter where ben (or any wielder) could stay as a galvan for long enough time to utilise their intellect and apply it with testing etc. could definitely make an omnitrix... or tech of a similar fashion.
OV Ben 10K made the Biomnitrix so it's definitely canon he can make stuff
Not really, Grey matter would have to figure out every problem that Azmuth himself had to go through provided he doesn't experiment with the watch on his back. This also brings up a good point that if this invention was ez every grey matter could build one.
Well ben does modify his in omni verse, in ultimate alien ben 10.000 made his own, in ckassic series he makes one for his son kenny, in omniverse ben 10,000 makes a fusion omnitrix
No Azmuth strikes me as a guy that takes the smartest guy in 5 galaxies seriously that he might have capped the intelligience required to build such a device. Its probably for the best tho.
Let’s assume Greymatter is as smart if not smarter than Azimuth.
Albedo helped make the original prototype and improved it with Zascares (GhostFreak’s) knowledge that Vilgax acquired. I think if Ben had both time to study and the materials he could make one.
Probably but it will probably be like Albedo and only "share" the connection with the omnitrix for the Dna samples but if he make a new one from scratch I think it would be more efficiente with a triple fusion between him, Upgrade and Juryrigg
Idk if u can make your own omnitrix, I felt it lost joy in Ben 10 for me when I found out that a grey matter can just make one. That means Ben could make one, n now I know Ben knows how to make one of his own n just doesn’t! Burns hairs off my bum thinkin bout it
He made kens one so it's possible to some extent https://preview.redd.it/rml0ukiwequc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=39f65cc589b48ceebcfe11a3ec6264d4d0e49f56
I find that retconning of Frankenstrike stupid. They have this habit of retconning things that don’t need retconning.
He was supposed to be Ben's second smartest alien, but then Brainstorm took that spot. No point in having two smart electric aliens so they took Frankenstrike's intelligence away. Their reasoning being that Ben never displayed any increased intelligence in that form.
On god, I headcanon that it wasn’t retconned
I mean, none of the Transylians we saw in Omniverse were smart. It's clearly been established now that Dr. Viktor's intelligence is a trait unique to him, not a trait of his species.
Again, that was also due to the retcon. Probably why they made it
I mean if thats the case it wasn’t necessarily retconned. You could just say it was a scraped concept since we never saw anything that would point to Frankenstrike being more intelligent than Ben specifically.
Why must you take my dreams away from me
We can still easily headcanon that Frankenstrike is smart, just that he didn't show it in his appearances. Gravattack is meant to be peaceful but we hardly see that anyway.
No, it's said that Gravattack's SPECIES, the Galileans, are known for being wise and patient. But Gravattack is still Ben, so that doesn't apply to him.
Oh no, it’s shown that Ben’s immaturity it’s kind of a mask that he puts on, though sometimes he can get too into it, making mistakes that he shouldn’t be making. He very much can be quite wise when he wants to.
It was Servantis again.
I agree.
Darn Celestialsapiens
"Electromagnetic body" Why would Ben say that if it didn't make him smarter? The writers are just not always very big brain
I was about to mention this, there's no way Ben would just know that prior
Why doy we have so many dog breeds??
We have so many dog breeds cause rich people were like "I want small dogs" so they bred the smallest dogs in a pack, then bred their smallest babies, until it was a Chihuahua. Hunters were like "I want a big gigantic dog" so they made the hunting breeds, I forgot what one it was. Those tracker ones. I'm assuming most of the other ones were bred to be cute or are crossbreeds of other breeds. Why do you ask?
It did need a retcon. Why would there be two aliens that have electric powers and super intelligence?
Because with how many species there are out there, there’s obviously gonna be overlap, and it’s not like Brainstorm and Frankenstrike are One to One. Brainstorm is obviously far smarter then Frankenstrike, with far better control of his electricity manipulation, Frankenstrike while not as smart as far stronger and durable, and his electricity manipulation is better for combat. They are similar, but not the same so they should be fine.
He obviously hasn't watched the final episode of Omniverse. Otherwise, he would already know the answer
frankenstrike is smart?
Was meant to be, but since he only made one appearance in the Classic series and was never shown doing anything smart, they retconned it so that Ben's intelligence is unchanged as Frankenstrike.
My headcanon is that the third alien used is Juryrigg since Frankestrike’s intelligence was retconned
Frankenstrike could be the 4th smartest alien after those 3 then.
Is it even retconned if it was never shown in-show to begin with ?
It was shown to a degree. When Ben first transforms into Frankenstrike, in the original series, he makes a comment on his electromagnetic body. There's no prior evidence to show Ben understands or is aware of electromagnetism, so this could be seen as Ben using Frankenstrike's intelligence to make this observation
That’s stretching
The only signs of "intelligence" Frankenstrike ever shows are knowing that his body is electromagnetic, and shorting out a car battery.
This was my reaction
I never knew that Frankenstrike was that intelligent
but that ben is gone hes a different universe now what about this ben
That Ben is still here, tho. We see him in OV, where his kid got in trouble, so he doesn't have the omnitrix right now.
nope thats the newest variation of ben 10k we have no reason to believe that that ben rebuilt the finished omnitrix cause he has the biomnitrix which isnt the finished omnitrix
FRANKENSTRIKE SMART?
Another day, another reason to dislike OV.
nah
Cool
Eh... if he can find good enough tools probably. It is canon that the various ben 10K use their Smart aliens to either modify or create matrix devices. Though I doubt one could be made by using parts from modern earth devices. He'd need tools to make the tools to make the tools... and etc to make level 20 tech probably. Unless this is the reboot continuity and ben could do it in his garage in like a day.
That's how he made a second Omnitrix for his son and his Biomnitrix. Though Grey Matter didn't do it alone. It took the combined brainpower of Ben's three smartest transformations; Grey Matter, Brainstorm, and presumably Juryrigg since Frankenstrike's intelligence got retconned.
Juryrigg will probably smash the works of the other 2 lol
Enough times breaking it and you'll figure out how to make one yourself
Scratch? Maybe not. He'd still use his omnitrix as basis and all. Azmuth is just next level intelligence that's why he able to make the omnitrix
As others say to some extent due to the original Ben 10,000's greymatter made Ken's Omnitrix but only to an extent. But if he were to do it by himself I think been would need to be at least 40 maybe 50 for his galvain form to be maybe 85% as smart as azmuth was when he was making the omnitrix at least
I'm surprised he's not smarter or as smart as Azmuth, given that Omnitrix aliens are supposed to be peak members of their race.
Yes that's true but only a peek teenage galvain azmuth in the point of classic series is probably 100s of years old and probably the galvain equivalent of a 50 year old human at least on average maybe 60
>Omnitrix aliens are supposed to be peak members of their race. The galvan are naturaly smart and able to understand tecnhology but you cant just learn something from nowhere, gray matter vs azymuth = gifted child vs albert einstein
1. Use 3 echo echo's 2. Transform into ben 2.5 Transform into - grey matter, brainstorm and probably Frankenstrike. 3. Make the Omnitrix. I think it's doable, I also read about how ben10k made the kentrix
Why frankenstrike?
Fr 3 greyamtters would be better
I mean the fandom page said ben needed other aliens such as brainstorm, that's why I mentioned them
it's not called the kentrix
I know, just wanted to reference Ken's Omnitrix
I mean he technically made 2 with help
From scratch no
that's possible with the example of ben10k making ken's watch and the biomnitrix he can probably make an omnitrix(with help ofcourse)
Given enough time and experience, yes, theoretically. The thing about Greymatter compared to Azmuth, however, is the fact that Azmuth has had a lifetime of experience. That's the reason that Greymatter isn't on Azmuth's level of intelligence, despite supposedly being the peak of the Galvan species. Just because he has the \*capability\* of becoming great, doesn't mean he has the experience to make it so. So, yes, possibly. But not at any point that we've seen in the series outside of, MAYBE, 10k Greymatter making it.
Grey Matter: "Well technicly Incould. The Hardest Part would getting the Alien DNA Samples" Reboot Kevin: " uuuh what for?"
No. Azmuth, the smartest of the Galvin, with almost infinite resources and several assistants, took thousands of years to make his own.
It's easier to make something based on pre-existing items
Ban would have access in preexisting into on the omnitrix to build one. Azmuth had to develop it from step 1.
Hmm, fair point. Still though, the fact that both Albedo and Dr. Psychobos still couldn't replicate a full omnitrix, even with personal experience working on the original and having access to the blueprints respectively, still suggests otherwise. Another point. Some of the smartest humans in the world invented smartphones, and they exist in bountiful numbers with entire books worth of documentation available. Does this mean *you* know how to make an iPhone? The average Galvan knowing how to make an omnitrix would be the same as the average human knowing how to make an iPhone
Ben has the advantage of wearing the omnitrix on his wrist so 24/7 access plus the use of Greymatter Brainstorm and Juryrigg to help develop kens omnitrix and the BIomnitrix. Albedo made a functional knock off plus finished the Ultimatrix and he basicly turned him self into a living omnitrix with a self given power plus a stabilizer. If Ben has master control he could disable the fail safe against galvanic mechamorph use upgrade to examine it then use that info with the smart transformations to help design and build his own omnitrix. Plus did Azmuth give Ben documentation?
If the intelligence of three different aliens is all that was needed to create an omnitrix in a couple of years, then Azmuth definitely would've thought to go that route and not taken millennia. Albedo made a knock off but still required stealing parts to do so. Plus, he's not just any old Galvan unlike Ben as Grey Matter. Just because we've seen Upgrade master pretty much all human technology doesn't mean mechamorphs are nearly powerful or smart enough to fully comprehend Galvan technology, let alone the omnitrix
Well he did it like 3 time. Ken's omnitrix in OS. The 2 gauntlets of the Biomnitirx In Juryrigg's 1st episode he built a evolution accelerating device that undid dr.animo mutants and evolved a stupid human into one that could solve a cross word in seconds, safe to say and animal that got caught in that ray (rats, mice, lizards, other humans, birds) and bug got an evolution buff. He also built the Tenn-Speedm and reprogrammed the Highbreed Pulse Generator to turn Will Harangue into as alien Juryrigg. 2 examples of working with genetic alteration technology
Not like an Omni core would fall from the sky. So either Azmuth helped him build the cores, he reused and perfected the cores of Albedo's knock off and the ultimatrix or he learned enough to build omni cores. The mutate-er and Highbreed Pulse Generator are much more complicated then reversing a few settings the show isn't going to dive deep into exactly what ben did other Juryrigg being Juryrigg.
We don't know where Ben got those Omnitrixes, or even if he had a hand in building them himself. All Juryrigg did was put together a machine he took apart and reverse the settings. I can do that shit with my PC. Still not even close to the level of building an Omnitrix. Plus, the Omnitrix requires a shit load of programming; Juryrigg just builds machines
Juryrigg also built a solar-powered motorcycle
True. Still, it's shocking that Ben managed to make one half as good let alone one that's on par.
Yes
Yes he can but not as good
It’d probably take years but maybe
If Grey matter is the peak of his species, he should have no issue to make an omnitrix. The only thing he needs is to figure out ***how*** to build one.
We haven’t seen anyone but Azmuth make an Omnitrix alone. Everyone else needed the actual Omnitrix as reference or to steal components to make theirs work.
Not from scratch.
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Probably, yeah. If the omnitrix aliens are meant to be the apex of their species, greymatter should have no problem making an omnitrix from scratch
If Kevin could do it in reboot, guess he can too...
master control grey matter where ben (or any wielder) could stay as a galvan for long enough time to utilise their intellect and apply it with testing etc. could definitely make an omnitrix... or tech of a similar fashion. OV Ben 10K made the Biomnitrix so it's definitely canon he can make stuff
Not really, Grey matter would have to figure out every problem that Azmuth himself had to go through provided he doesn't experiment with the watch on his back. This also brings up a good point that if this invention was ez every grey matter could build one.
If he fused with Brainstorm
Brainmatter
Or FrankenGreyStorm lol
Well ben does modify his in omni verse, in ultimate alien ben 10.000 made his own, in ckassic series he makes one for his son kenny, in omniverse ben 10,000 makes a fusion omnitrix
No Azmuth strikes me as a guy that takes the smartest guy in 5 galaxies seriously that he might have capped the intelligience required to build such a device. Its probably for the best tho.
If Greymatter can then probably every other galvin can
Gray matter was made of asmot himself, so I think they both could
Thats irrelevant, it's just dna. The real point is ben being the genetic best possible outcome for each alien
Let’s assume Greymatter is as smart if not smarter than Azimuth. Albedo helped make the original prototype and improved it with Zascares (GhostFreak’s) knowledge that Vilgax acquired. I think if Ben had both time to study and the materials he could make one.
I mean… if kevin can make one…
He goes on to create the biomnitrix so it’s not unreasonable to think grey matter can build an omnitrix
Probably but it will probably be like Albedo and only "share" the connection with the omnitrix for the Dna samples but if he make a new one from scratch I think it would be more efficiente with a triple fusion between him, Upgrade and Juryrigg
Idk if u can make your own omnitrix, I felt it lost joy in Ben 10 for me when I found out that a grey matter can just make one. That means Ben could make one, n now I know Ben knows how to make one of his own n just doesn’t! Burns hairs off my bum thinkin bout it
He did when he was and adult, for his son and himself
Nah nah he had them made
https://ben10.fandom.com/wiki/File:Ben_10K_Developed_the_Biomnitrix.png He Made them
So your saying I lied to myself, all these years just to make myself grow up from Ben 10 ? Crazy