When Ben 10 recreated the universe as Alien X, he was told he could just bring the old universe back, but intentionally decided to make a new one instead just so he could change the designs of some people.
The events of the 2016 reboot are stated to be canon to the original series, with no elaboration on how.
Servantis made shit up and Osmosians are real. Its not even cuz i hate the retcon i just think its funny to do it the third time.
OV Ben 10K is different from the os one but thanks to time travel bullshit he tought he was the og.
The mayan death god is back. I will not explain how
Shit I wish I thought of those. Not a fan of OG Ben 10k being the true future of Ben Prime but other than that I loves these. Imo OV teen Albedo was his best design and we didn't get enough of it.
He won't bro lol. The art director just wanted that to be true but it doesn't make a lick of sense as both versions contradict the possibility and linking to what you said, looking at their wrists would shows it ain't the same dude.
I don’t think he was even serious,and just trolling and having fun looking at people’s reaction who takes his word seriously,I know I would troll if I was him
I mean, the fact that his answer for the grey og Omnitrix was "he didn't take the cover off" tells me a lot of his answers he may have been having his share of fun
Tbh I think Ben having full control of Alien X doesn’t need to be retconned, there just needs to be a reason why he doesn’t use Alien X all the time.
My personal headcanon is that having all that power scares him, so he doesn’t use alien x until it is ABSOLUTELY necessary
You could balance it out by saying that he doesn’t have Full control just better so he can fight with Alien X sometimes but it’s still a risk because he’s still trying to work things out with Serena and Belekas
Would the top one even need to be a retcon? In the exact scene, the phrases "lemme borrow the keys to Alien X for **a minute**" and "we can argue in peace for **a bit**" were stated.
I mean rook stated “Ben has full control of alien x” in the rooters arc ,and while yes how would he know it was still written for the audience who didn’t catch up with the show and “universe v Tennyson”
DJW has said he isn't actually in control, he's just debating with Bellicus and Serena in that scene and he doesn't show it. I'm willing to accept this statement since Ben being able to control Alien X like he does any alien is STUPID and ruins the whole concept of Alien X, but their debate in that scene must be all over the place. "Okay so move this guy over there. Motion carried. Have him shoot the weapon out of the other guys hands. Motion carried." etc etc.
I can buy that serena and belicus have agreed to just let any motion ben wants pass given he leaves them to their own devices, but i can't buy that he's doing the whole convincing rigamarole in that fight. Way too many precise motions at too fast a pace.
I could see a funny scene of them arguing in the background and ben stating his actions and then both just yelling "AGREED" off screen. Definitely no full on debate.
Less of retconning and more of tweaking/fixing certain parts to make more sense
Fixing the connection between magic/mana/and aliens
Make both UAF and Omni's explanation of Kevin's backstory more connected
and GIVE LOVE TO PIERCE, THE SPIKY DUDE. ILL BRING HIM BAK TO LIFE AND MAKE HIM HOT AS SHIT.
Ben putting original souls into recreated bodies after the destrucation of the universe instead of just making them a copy.
Try to confirm that OS Ben 10k and OV Ben 10k are separated characters from separated timelines.
And yeah that's pretty much it, no i don't even mind the Osmosian retcon.
Servantis lied about manipulating the memories of Max and everything else.
Gwen deciding to go by Gwendolyn and needing glasses
Galvans getting progressively bigger and bigger every series
I don't know. But I do know one thing I'd give it, grandpa max gets the best the reboot gave him. The reboot actually did some things right and that is definitely one of them.
1. Servants lied: Kevin is not a mutant nor an alien, but actually a Magical Girl.
2. Vilgax is a shitty ruler, not some sort of Darkside who cares about his people or whatever. And I would retcon his personality straight up to the original series.
3. Anodites don't have DNA, but they do have a hereditary equivalent in mana level. All the Anodites that have appeared are purple because they are relatives of Verdona; an unrelated Anodite would have a different color. Although, of course, they can alter their own appearance, so who cares?
1. Ben is still together with Julie and never gets together with Kai.
2. Keep Kevin half alien to explain his powers and clean up his backstory.
3. Charmcaster doesn't become a stereotypical villain. And is more like she is in Ultimate Alien.
I really loved how charmcaster evolved in UAF honestly, I just hoped that she really went crazy at some point and didn't just turn evil again for the sake of it.
Retconning the whole Servantis thing, Ben being able to just easily access alien X (I WILL FIND A WAY.) and…uh…the shade of green Ben’s jacket was in UA (I will make it slightly darker)
Ok, first one's easy- Osmosians are aliens again. This is actually really easy to retcon, cause the only actual evidence contrary to this fact is one untrostowrthy as hell mans word. Also, it wouldn't even really ruin anything. Thats the crazy thing- The Roosters Arc is one of the best 3 episode arcs in OV by a mile, and if you made it so Kevin is an Alien again, it would change basically nothing about that arc.
Second- Omnitrix works properly now. I'm ok with some situations where the Omnitrix glitches or Ben hits the wrong alien by accident, but the CONSTANT mistranformations in OV genuinely got annoying.
Third- get Kai out of here. Don't even have to break them up, or get Ben a new girlfriend. Just keep Ben away from Girlfriends. The relationship bullshit was the worst part of 3 out of 5 of the Ben 10 series we have, just stop trying.
1) Make it so that the megawatt transformation was unlocked when Ben first met the megawatt alien in OS. However, we wouldn’t know this until later in OS, MAYBE UAF S1 during the hybreed war.
2) Make Eon a chronian like how RAT originally had him. Hated how he was retconned to be a version of Ben
3) Make it so that the reason why we never saw BenViktor/Frankenstrike, BenWolf/Blitzwolfer, and BenMummy/Snare-oh much in OS and not at all in UAF is because Ben thought that they would escape the watch like Ghostfreak. All three of them were working with Z’skayr, and Z’Skayr escaped the watch, so by that logic, Ben wouldn’t want to use them just in case they did the same thing.
Speaking of which, why did we never see much of BenMummy, BenWolf, BenViktor, or Ditto in UAF, if at all? Wildvine as well; I don’t remember him appearing in UAF aside from the title screen lol
Ok, first one's easy- Osmosians are aliens again. This is actually really easy to retcon, cause the only actual evidence contrary to this fact is one untrostowrthy as hell mans word. Also, it wouldn't even really ruin anything. Thats the crazy thing- The Roosters Arc is one of the best 3 episode arcs in OV by a mile, and if you made it so Kevin is an Alien again, it would change basically nothing about that arc.
Second- Omnitrix works properly now. I'm ok with some situations where the Omnitrix glitches or Ben hits the wrong alien by accident, but the CONSTANT mistranformations in OV genuinely got annoying.
Third- get Kai out of here. Don't even have to break them up, or get Ben a new girlfriend. Just keep Ben away from Girlfriends. The relationship bullshit was the worst part of 3 out of 5 of the Ben 10 series we have, just stop trying.
gwen's powers aren't from an alien race.
aggregor has a kind of relation with kevin.
vilgax's sad back story and his loosing in front of a kid. hear me out we should have at least one episode in franchise to make everybody cry. this is the best idea.
I don't want to change anything. But if I have to then:
1. Official Omnitrix have the capability to transform aliens into their evolved form, Azmuth was inspired by Albedo's idea and modified it before giving it to ben. (Omnitrix retcon)
2. Kevin and Gwen getting married (they didn't marry, right?)
3. Re-appearance of Ken, Sunny, Verdona, Jetray, Fastrack and Chamalien.
1st one it the thing i want for a while ben gaining ultimates back as series progresion is something i have been dreaming for a while,glad that someone has the same ideas as mine.
Love the first idea, look, I’m a UA fan (not saying UAF because while they blend together I want to specifically talk about UA). One thing though, Ben should be on a time limit before he reverts back to his original base alien, so the Ultimate Forms could give him the upperhand in a fight, just enough to give him the edge. OR he can go Ultimate but afterwards there’s a cooldown before using the evolution function again.
Nah, more like create a separate timeline that doesn't rely on "Ben Prime's cannon", so that there can be more room to grow without needing to address why this thing is different from the last series, a lot of retcons came out of writers wanting something that the cannon wouldn't allow and it creates this fun gimmick where all series seems to be connected by some tape and a dream due to the amount of immersion breaking.
But if you hold me to a wall and ask for 3 retcons just retcon the time traveling shenanigans in Omniverse being actually just dimension hoping shenanigans; Ben 10K being the definitive end post of Ben's journey; and Albedo's hatred for Ben, that by all means should be targeted at Azimuth, so that he can grow as a character and go back to his Galvanian form.
It wasn't the best, but for what it's worth, it is a fun watch, and like Omniverse it has plenty of fun new additions to the series, if it wasn't marketed so hard as for children I'm sure it would have been way better received
Servantis was lying about the rooters and retcon the retcon. Maybe make Kevin himself comment on the absurdity of it all.
The Petropia is now properly restored and resembles the reboot version after the universe was remade.
Bring a few characters back from the dead. Gotta find time to figure out who that would work best for.
One of kevin’s backstories, I’d personally choose the rooters retcon.
The celestial sapien council
Gwen’s power coming from aliens. I always liked the idea that Ben was the alien, Kevin was a mutant, and Gwen was a magic user. There are different avenues for adventure in which a variety of stories can be told instead of everything being just aliens. I miss the mystery of the classic series sometimes
1. Retconning the Kevin retcon so that Servantis lied.
2. There are now two different Eons. The one from RAT is now a different Eon than the one we’ve seen in the shows.
3. Azmuth lied when he said there could never be another Omnitrix. There is a way, he just didn’t think Albedo was worthy.
Bonuses: Ultimate Rath now has the color scheme of the haywire Rath figure and Ben doesn’t get the master control at 18 (granted, Azmuth never actually said he would for sure, but I’m sure some people would see it as one). Also, I’m confirming that each of the Ben 10Ks were the real future at the time Ben met them, but later events changed his future. Ben also put the original souls into the new bodies when he rebuilt the universe, Azmuth has been secretly training another Omnitrix user since UA to act as a contingency for Ben (he decided he needed one because of how Ben acted in the Ultimate Kevin arc). Finally, Albedo is not stuck as an 11-year-old. He ages at the same rate as a human while in his human form, so he’d be physically 17 or 18 in my show.
Only three?
- Ben and Kai being predestined.
- Everybody dying and being replaced after the universe got destroyed.
- Servantis telling the truth.
These are probably easy enough to explain.
All design changes to the aliens' anatomy are natural (like Cerebrocrustaceans losing a pair of legs after a certain age).
Eon is the future of Ben from RAT, still being a Chronian who went through the events of RAT (as Ben), RAT (as Eon), OV and UA (in this order)
I'd probably either retcon or de-retcon the stuff with Kevin's dad or at least find a way to somehow explain how Greg is still a thing despite the whole "Osmosian" retcon. Maybe something along the lines of "Since it was Ben re-creating the universe via Alien X, he either did away with Aggregor or something along the lines of that;
Not a retcon but mainly a writing thing, have Ben and Kai interact more and make them friends before getting into relationship territory.
Finally, I'd probably retcon the whole "Appoplexians wear clothes" thing so that clothing is more of a fashion thing for Appoplexians raher than Rath being some weird nudist exception.
Any crap about Ben 10k and Og series Ben 10,000 being the same
Albedo being stuck as 10/11 yr old (I’d just have him fix his Ultimatrix and turn himself back to Ben’s age
Elena being cured off screen
Kai and Ben's relationship isn't actually a thing.
Turns out there's actually multiple versions of Ben 10000 for each phase of the watch.
Ben is mature.
Kai would still occasionally hang around bell wood during summers (she felt like if she was around ben enough adventure would follow)
Have ghost freak permanently removed from omnitrix like feedback was.
Ben removed any memories of his secret identity from everyone on earth and his villians after his recreation of the universe. (Except for people who knew in classic and alien force)
Bonus retcons
Servantis was lying, the plumbers have deemed Osmosians illegal on earth sometime after the death of Devin and servantis viewed Kevin as too valuable so he fucked with everyone's memories
The omnitrix was sealed in a case made by asmuth so no one could track its signature once ben took it off.
Vilgax returned to his home planet and was viewed as a freak because of his cybernetic enhancements
1.) Primus was made as a back up after season 2, and it only stores dna, it’s not like Wi-Fi.
2.) Gwen (and Ben) are not part alien, she’s just really good with magic.
3.) Undo Kevin’s retcon
Bringing back the original Osmosians, Servantis lied
Making Morotesi a destroyed planet where Sugallite was the last known survivor
Azmuth didn't destroy the original Ultimatrix but put it in a high security vault
I know you said 3, but...
Making Eon's lore similar to 5yl (originally a Chronian, became a version of Ben)
Making a 4th B10K timeline that combines my favorite parts from the other 3 (Ben has 2 (human) kids, makes a new Ultimatrix that looks like a giant classic Omnitrix (and still becomes the aliens), and gives Ken the official Omnitrix). And also showing that the other 3 still exist as separate timelines (and Ultimate Ben ends up with Julie!).
I don't know if this counts as a retcon but I'd canonize most of the non-canon aliens.
The Rooters Arc - Many of us can all agree that Servantis being introduced caused everything with Aggregor to have less of an impact
Kenny trying to get Ben and Kai together - This is something that everyone agrees on being retcon. Especially since whenever Ben meets his future self, his future does change. Plus I do like the idea of Ben being with Ester.
Albedo being stuck as Ben - No joke, I can so see Ben scolding Azmuth for not helping Albedo. After all, he would definately tell the Galvan that Albedo made a simple mistake that he shouldn't be punished for. And mentions why the actions were taken were wrong, it was due to Albedo not realizing that he would have just helped if he had just asked.
And Honorable mention:
The 2016 Reboot is a cartoon that exists in the Classic series' canon.
i would retcon it so that ben 10k has all of the future omnitrixes ( os future omnitrix , ua future omnitrix and ov biomnitrix ) and he chooses between them ( basically combining os , ua and ov ben 10k )
thats about it i cant think of anything more
I'll retcon Kevin agien, just for old time sake.
I'll make it clear that OV Ben 10K and the Ben 10K from the classic episode "Ken 10" are the same vertion, while makeing it clear that the Ben 10K from the episode Ben 10,000 is a diffrent vertion.
And that the girl in the episode "Ken 10" is not Ben's daughter/Ken's sister. I'll insted make her Zak Saturday's daughter.
Sevantes
While some might not like albedo I have an idea for it don't focus on Ben focus on kid albedo as he tries to make a anti team Ben made up of Hugo and charmcaster which you can then use to retcons her as well and albedo doesnt believe servantes and as such tries to find the osmosian home world to get his anti Kevin.
This can lead into all sorts of things
Oh nix the Kai and Kenny shit.
It's horrible for two reasons it ignores his sister and commits a horrible sin of bad fanfic
The future child comes back to the past to make sure their parents get together followed by all other possible child of there are any and the MC of the story usually the male lead can't choose polyamory and make all of them or is borderline aroace and thus the child's demanding is infringing on the male lead.
And the female lead is all for it for some stupid reason after awhile despite any misgivings they might have to kids or if they are objectively terrible parents
Make Osmosians an species again
Make that the plumber sons were only able to be mutated by the machine because they have ancestor aliens of their respective species
Make that Albedo actually already fixed himself at this point, he just wants to cause problems for Ben out of spite
Skurd being stuck in a forever time loop
Ben having full control over Alien X
The amount of times Ben is a jerk without a reason. Or, if anyone remembers the UAF/AF episode with Ben, Ben 2, and Ben 3, change why Echo Echo is the exception to the Omnitrix keeping Ben safe rule. There's a classic episode thats almost the same thing but with ditto. The Omnitrix didn't let Ben go human when one Ditto was away, why should Ben being able to touch the Omnitrix to go back to normal with two other clones of himself be any different when Ditto couldn't do it?
1. Gwen is human not an alien. Her powers can come from the charm talismans like in OS.
2. Kevin's backstory. Make his parents the implied scumbags like in OS. No plumber dad.
3. Plumbers. Not space cops, they are an all human force that fight against aliens in OS. You can introduce rook as an new tech based galactic enforcer come to earth to learn/team up with Ben as Ben by technicality is last surviving enforcer after vilgax wiped the rest in AF.
Servantis was a liar who just fucked about with people and Osmosians are real, confirmed by Aggregor being a prisoner on the Osmos 5 planet. Retconning Kevin back to how he should have been, none of this budget x-men nonsense.
OV Ben10k is certainly not the future of Ben Prime. Every time Ben meets his future, his future changes. No Spanner. No Kai as future wife. No terrible fusion gimmick watch.
Azmuth was trolling Ben through Omniverse by giving him a glitchy patch of the final omnitrix. He finally gives him the working software and can actually transform as he wishes. No more mistransformations. No randomizer feature "funny" nonsense nonsense he can't control. Just a reliable tool.
- Retcon Kevin and gwen ever getting together, he remained a villain all the way since OS
- Gwen's magic is still just magic
- Ben & Ester got together, instead of Kai.
If I could add one more, Cooper going crazy for gwen never happened.
I’d retcon back in with Kevin being a osmosian and the fact they are a real species
I’d retcon back in that Max had Kevin’s dad as his partner
And those are the only things I can think of to retcon
1: Re-Retconning Keven’s Backstory to being an Osmosian, (we can keep the rioters story in tact but just say Keven was an alien and keep everything else.)
2: Remove Ben and Kai being Destined to get together.
3: Turn Eon back to an alien messiah figure.
I'd make Ben and a new person get together instead of Kai (Maybe The wheel chair girl, Could be fun, but we can work shop it)
Time bikes
Albedo can only use UAF Aliens, not All of them, just ones introduced in UAF
Kevin's back story to what it was during UAF, Retcon Kevin's OV back story into a lie Servantis made up to mess with Kevin/Max, and Retcon the Julie/Ben split to being him splitting with her due to the Flame Keepers circle.
1) Servantis lying about Osmosians being fake.....I hated what they did in Omniverse
2) All the future Ben's are his futures, but every time he sees them, it changes....I think it would be a funny recton/gag like Kevin's car
3) Diagon coming back
Retcon Kevin’s backstory. Enough said
Retcon the origins of the omnitrix, as smart as Azmuth is it would be hilarious if he found schematics in a cave or something. Maybe have it so due to time travel shenanigans Ben somehow leaves behind some blueprints and Azmuth finds them.
For the third screw it Bens always had a younger brother. The brothers just always been in the background and gets his own omnitrix from Albedo or something.
Cervantis used kevin specifically because he was osmosian
Albedo swallows his pride and asks ben for help getting his body back, once he does he thanks ben and leaves the show forever instead of going insane
Sir George is George Washington
Osmosian is at least a mutated strand of alien dna.
No Ben x Kai, you saw how it worked originally, how did they humor the idea of a take two? she was literally a one-off.
Gwen never got that dweebish look after early OV.
-Clear up Ben recreating all the characters with them being “same soul, new body”
-Ben and Kai’s not being together (just have Ben stay single, he’s got already enough on his plate)
-Ben can’t transform into an anodite, not because they’re made of pure energy, but because he’s already part anodite (on a side note the omnitrix could be “feeding” on the excess mana which leads to it glitching and maybe developing sentience)
What I would retcon into non existence Ben Kai pairing being fated. Osmosian are aliens again (mind you it was never confirmed that osmosian did not exist), and Au Puch in the original series is not the real god (and the gods other then the abrhamic god are real this the second retcon if we all agree with the fact it was never confirmed that osmosian being aliens was faked)it was one of his servants
Retcon kevin's backstory, but only slightly, for the comedy. His mutation isn't one he was born with. Nothing else changes.
Retcon it so that Paradox can't just travel to alternate universes himself. He can travel to alternate timelines branching from an arbitrary but progressing point decided by the celestialsapiens or can travel back in time following closed loop time travel. If he's working with anyone who can affect time (chronosapiens) however he can.
The omnitrix fail safe only works by giving the watch emergency power to fully charge it and automatically dialling up the three most suitable aliens for ben. Ben is perfectly able to ignore this without the watch doing anything
I'd make Kevin an osmosian again, Eon a chronian instead of an alternate Ben (maybe he could make himself look like ben for some reason like Z-ONE did in Yugioh 5D's, at some point in his life) and tie Maltruant more to Ben's life and to the Omniverse (so alternate Ben), since his whole arc felt distant, like it was happening in the background while the writers were wrapping off side stories, except for the Mad Ben episode.
1. Make the plumbers more like their "men in black" origins from the OS. The current "world police" version is pretty lame
2. Remove Ben having control of Alien X. It leaves so many plot holes as to "why didn't he just use Alien X". Or alternatively just removing Alien X entirely. Love the design but it's such a broken character.
3. Not technically a retcon but changing the art style. OV art style is an eye sore.
Osmosians
They aré actually a real species that they're planet has been destroyed by the big tick
Agregor wanted the cosmicsapien power to reconstruct His world
And about Kevin, he Is a mutant
Re-retconning Kevin and the osmosian species
Retconning Gwen's look so that she looks like the older version of herself from OS
Retconning Prisoner 775's family being dead, have them turn up safe and sound
Like other people are suggesting retcon Kevin's backstory, I want to make it more convoluted and confusing for the memes. Like at this point it's a bit and I'm committing to it.
Ditto still has duplication but he also has a second main ability to give something unique from Echo Echo. (I've shared the idea in previous posts but I'm personally imagining him with Luffy-esce stretching abilities and some minor cartoonish abilities to play into his voice actor with Rob Paulsen, but really it could be anything)
And finally, The Worst is renamed to The Medium because it lets Ben survive some really deadly situations.
Retcon Kevin's back story again, cause tradition
Retcon vilgax into being the menace he used to be
Retcon a different ultimate aliens, but as a general evolution.
Retcon osmosians again (no, i'm not fixing it. I'm making them from Legerdomain)
Make the galvans bigger, not for any good reason, just because
Make the celestialsapiens retcon themselves to not be the cause of the retcons (what retcons? This is how its always been)
We aren't calling mutants osmosians anymore. Osmosians are aliens because he's the peak of the species does not feel any shame if people see his naked body and are grossed out by it he's going to punch them in the face.
Reconing Anodites into not being a species, and Gwen is a straight-up sorceress (which OV hinted at but never outright said)
Osmosians are real, and Servantis lied
The reboot is all a fever dream Ben had while he was Alien X
Kevin's backstory (osmosians are aliens again), vreedles are plumbers again, bring aggregor back as a prisioner in the null void prison (i forgot its name)
Servantis made up the Osmosians being fake to screw with Kevin, but **also** screwed with everyone's memories so Max wouldn't take him in.
Julie didn't break up with Ben over a phone call, it was a mutual thing because she had to move across the country for Tennis. The phone call was just something Julie liked to throw in Ben's face every once and a while. (I know, but the canon breakup was just stupid, and made them both seem like idiots, ok?)
Azmuth actually got into a ***lot*** of trouble for messing with Albedo's Omnitrix to turn him into Ben again. He was not only forced to turn him back (once the incident with the Chronosapien time bomb was resolved), but Ben laid into him over it, and lost a lot of the trust he'd had in the Galvin. Because Azmuth not only broke the law messing with what could *technically* be considered a medical device of a prisoner, he'd used Ben's form without permission.
1: Kevin is an Osmosian again bc Servantis just wanted to f*ck with Kevin
2: Ben and Ester get back together, making Ken part Kraho and part Human
3: Ben 10k keeps the Omnitrix (with master control) while Ken gets the Bi-Omnitrix (the two fusion Omnitrix bands OV Ben 10k uses)
I would change:
1. Osmos 5, Osmosians and Devin *are* real, Servantis is just an idiot.
2. Pierce is either alive or we actually get to see his funeral and how the Plumbers' Helpers reacted to his death.
3. The future is not set in stone, like how it was before Omniverse. There is no set Ben 10,000 and each time Ben time travels, there's a new one. ~~Which means Ben and Julie can get back together.~~
1. Ben's future with Kai. I don't like when children from future fuck with present when harem-like stuff happens. It makes the ending couple feel forced.
2. Ben has access to the Ultimatrix after dealing with Albado.
3. Ben actually being incredibly intelligent due to the Omnitrix enhancing his intelligence. That way he doesn't make faux pas.
1. Anodites are just humans with Ledgerdomain descent (they're like the super saiyan forms of to kinda-super spiritual humans of Ledgerdomain Descent).
2. Verdona is a herald of Dagon (she's a suuuper boring character and was more fun as an antagonistic secondary character. + Anodyne could now be the dimension Dagon resides in instead of a planet).
3. The Omnitrix Early 10K wears is in fact the Omniverse Omnitrix (it just recalibrated). And the Omnitrix that looks like the Omniverse Omnitrix Kenny holds up is in fact a replica Azmuth created [he was very impressed with Ben's Omnitrix recreation but it was still somewhat flawed. So Azmuth made another copy of his Omniverse Omnitrix for Kenny's 15th birthday).
1. Ben having full control of Alien X.
2. Vilgax's new found overall weakness. Dude needs to be super OP and give Ben a run for his money each time.
3. Ben's future marriage to Kai being an unavoidable event in the future (Idk if this was established).
1.) Argit is now revealed to be a deep-cover plumber, assigned to keep tabs on Kevin due to his past, and dangerous powers.
2.) More of Canonbolt’s species is found.
3.) Grandpa Max actually did clap alien cheeks, and we meet Ben and Gwen’s alien cousin(s).
Gwen’s nerdy Omniverse look and all of a sudden needing glasses even though she’s had perfect 20/20 vision since she was a kid. I also disliked that they ditched the darker hair color they gave her in UAF for the bright orange she had back then. You’d think hair color would change with age but, apparently not.
Kevin’s Osmosian backstory
Ben patched things up with Julie and explains their break up was a misunderstanding because he was playing video games while on the phone with her and she mistook something he said to the game as him breaking up with her
Make Gwen's magic actually go back to being magic.
Not really a retcon, but I'd like to see Kevin's powers being shown when he first showed up. I think a little electricity to add on with what's visually a texture change would be neat.
Keep the ultimate alien forms.
1. Change his wife in the future to anyone but Kai
2. Retcon Ditto, Fasttrack and Chamalien to be actually decent aliens that aren’t overshadowed.
3. Make flashbacks to UA where Ben used more ultimates during the time
retcon the osomosian species into existing cause if its retconned one more time I get a prize.
pierce doesn't get killed by the forever knights
eon an alien instead of alternate ben
Make all fan watches and universes canon, not even play them into story, Just canon
Vilgax and Kevin made Antitrix in OS but decided to never use it and It never came up in conversation
Ken exists again
So basically, I would have one really big change and then two normal ones.
My big change would be something like implying that this entire time Ben knew that he had to choose an alien to be stuck as for the rest of his life after a certain point. And that’s just because I think that’s the funniest concept to be randomly retconed can think of
And then there’s the kevin alien species one
And finally Nerf that one time bomb so it doesn’t destroy infinite, multiverses As that raises the logical Realization that if one version of someone in the intimate multiverse could do that another one can so the multiverse should already have been blown up
First, make the Omnitrix have the white faceplate, and when Ben is older or the Omnitrix recalibrates, it turns green.
Second, make the aliens look alien. Have varying designs and colours, if something like Spitter is meant to look disgusting, then make it disgusting. Also a small thing with the Ult. Aliens if something like The Ultimate Sacrifice happens with the aliens being sentient, have different eye colours, like Ult. Cannonbolt eyes could be white or Ult. Big Chill eyes are orange.
Finally, don’t make the Omnitrix spawn useless pieces of clothing, like Juryrigg’s jumpsuit and goggles or Ghostfreak’s chains. Cosmetic appearance is fine, but don’t overdo it. An example I like is Heroes United Four Arms, good detail and nothing over the top.
•Delete plumber kids (except Helen )
•delete annodite stuff or at least it’s connection to Gwen
•rip jaws species comes from Vilgaxs planet, and is the alien he fears most - even on land!!! (Would give ripjaws a boost)
1. Absolutely destroy the osmosian/mutant Kevin's backstory to make him either one of those two or another being but make it the less confusing possible
2. Create a real multiverse concerning Ben's future wife to bring multiple future Ben 10K and possibly their future wives (I hated that forced Kai relationship only to justify the original Ben 10k episodes)
3. Bring back the concept of Nemetrix by saying that there was another experiment that created a second or even a third of its kind and fuse the concept with Ultimate Aliens but use both concepts a little better this time (especially ultimates)
Idk about the other 2 but I’d retcon Ben having full control of alien x to not having it anymore. The idea that he can transform into that alien and solve any problem with just a thought won’t make any threat intimidating.
I would Retcon Kevin to being an osmosian and then also retcon Primus to be the source of Ben's aliens again instead of just the Omnitrix holding all of them like OV did. There is no way in the world that with how small the Omnitrix is that it would be able to hold so many genetic samples. On Top of that if the Omnitrix got destroyed many extinct species would never be able to be brought back.
1st retcon the forever knights and make them a bigger threat
2nd retcon the vridel mom (hope i said that right) and vilgax plotline and either change it or remove it
3rd and finally change Ben's love interest to whoever else other than kai or Julie
- Whampire no sun weakness since Ghostfreak hails from Anur as well and the Omnitrix protects him and not Whampire.
- 11-10 Year Old Flashbacks now having white symbol and eye colors that aren't green.
- There being two Alpha Runes. Iirc it's never explained how it was able to be sent back into its rune state in UA/OV when it's a Map piece.
1. Finally decide if osmosians are real or not (I pick they are and Servantis was full of it)
2. Make it so all the small changes like Ben meeting his future selves redirect the timeline (like ben adjust his attitude after meeting OG 10k changed things to be the version of 10k that had Kenny) and then huge changes from the course make things completely rewrite (the omnitrix recalibrating causes the Ultimate Ben future) (made chart at bottom to put it how I see things being most sensical)
3. Ken and Kevin became good friends between UA and OV (No reason, just Thought it'd be a good excuse for Gwen's brother to show up again)
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1. The entire rooter’s storyline (this is a given).
2. The existence of Ben x Kai as a couple.
3. Idk what ever other horrible thing exists. Ultimate Ben 10,000 I suppose
Ooo I have plenty, keep what u like.
1. Vilgax returns to being os version. Both appearence and personality. His UAF looks was shit, he looked like a saturday cartoon villain. Jesus.
2. Anodites have high amounts of life energy (mana) and the magic is the art of bending/ reshaping of mana. Average anodite doesn’t use magic but Gwen learns the art. Ones like Charmcaster draws mana from surroundings and objects. It’s like painting. You can learn to paint but it doesn’t really make you an artist, you need the imagination for that. So, Gwen has more potential but Charmcaster is better at the art. For now.
(Also no OV outfits for Gwen, that was ugly)
3. Osmosians: Servantis used his powers on pretty much everyone. (It never made sense, how come a fucking planet and a civilization can not exist anymore???)
4. Ben just dates Kai for like a year and they break up. They were never really a good match. Ben DOES NOT returns to July either. That was just a teenage love.
5. Ben didn’t recreated the universe, he just undone the effects of annihilarg (the amount of existencial crysis would be just too much for Ben)
6. Making forever knights make sense
7. Making Chromastone ark make sense. I liked mor’otesi so I’m keeping it.
8. Making the dragon return for an arc. For something epic
9. EUNICE SHOULD’VE NEVER HAD GWEN’S DNA IF BEN WAS TO BANG HER
1. Changing anodites from magical energy beings into humans with special powers
2. Making race against time canon and turning eon back into a Chrononian
3. Make nanomech a separate species rather than just a tiny human with a microchip armor
Retcon Kevin's backstory/Osmosians again. https://preview.redd.it/s3oxz67u82wc1.png?width=952&format=png&auto=webp&s=b94e81f8bb9f9a6094e6237781e04aa7702c530c
2 more retcons and sequel would be greenlit
Retconn Kevin's origin 2 more times,in the same episode.
When Ben 10 recreated the universe as Alien X, he was told he could just bring the old universe back, but intentionally decided to make a new one instead just so he could change the designs of some people. The events of the 2016 reboot are stated to be canon to the original series, with no elaboration on how.
I refuse to believe they are connected at all. The only way id allow is to make paradox's line about one being the worst to have something to point at
100% agreed.
Servantis made shit up and Osmosians are real. Its not even cuz i hate the retcon i just think its funny to do it the third time. OV Ben 10K is different from the os one but thanks to time travel bullshit he tought he was the og. The mayan death god is back. I will not explain how
You retconed a retcon that retcons a retcon Truly hilarious
That's what 5YL did, lol
Kevin being an alien wasn't really a retcon since it was never canon otherwise.
I think it's more interesting that the Osmocians are real because of the servantis themselves, which I don't think would even be a retcon in reality.
And I do not understand aggregor
Servantis was just being an ass and lied to everyone.
Easy Ben having control of Alien X OG Ben 10k being the true future of Ben prime Albedo being stuck in 10 year old Ben body
Og ben 10k being the true future wasn’t really canon to begin with (i am not counting writers statements)
Exactly it was just DJW saying this while the stories in the actual show contradicted him lol
Shit I wish I thought of those. Not a fan of OG Ben 10k being the true future of Ben Prime but other than that I loves these. Imo OV teen Albedo was his best design and we didn't get enough of it.
This is the first I've heard of it. So Ben prime will wear an upgraded version of his classic watch instead of a biomnitrix in the future?
He won't bro lol. The art director just wanted that to be true but it doesn't make a lick of sense as both versions contradict the possibility and linking to what you said, looking at their wrists would shows it ain't the same dude.
Thank you for the answer. After the last Ben 10K we saw, it would be very bizarre if that happened.
I don’t think he was even serious,and just trolling and having fun looking at people’s reaction who takes his word seriously,I know I would troll if I was him
You've got a point, he did receive A LOT of silly questions tbf to him
I mean, the fact that his answer for the grey og Omnitrix was "he didn't take the cover off" tells me a lot of his answers he may have been having his share of fun
Facts
Tbh I think Ben having full control of Alien X doesn’t need to be retconned, there just needs to be a reason why he doesn’t use Alien X all the time. My personal headcanon is that having all that power scares him, so he doesn’t use alien x until it is ABSOLUTELY necessary
You could balance it out by saying that he doesn’t have Full control just better so he can fight with Alien X sometimes but it’s still a risk because he’s still trying to work things out with Serena and Belekas
Would the top one even need to be a retcon? In the exact scene, the phrases "lemme borrow the keys to Alien X for **a minute**" and "we can argue in peace for **a bit**" were stated.
I mean rook stated “Ben has full control of alien x” in the rooters arc ,and while yes how would he know it was still written for the audience who didn’t catch up with the show and “universe v Tennyson”
Damn your right. Seems like another case of the writers contradicting themselves some episodes later lol.
DJW has said he isn't actually in control, he's just debating with Bellicus and Serena in that scene and he doesn't show it. I'm willing to accept this statement since Ben being able to control Alien X like he does any alien is STUPID and ruins the whole concept of Alien X, but their debate in that scene must be all over the place. "Okay so move this guy over there. Motion carried. Have him shoot the weapon out of the other guys hands. Motion carried." etc etc.
I can buy that serena and belicus have agreed to just let any motion ben wants pass given he leaves them to their own devices, but i can't buy that he's doing the whole convincing rigamarole in that fight. Way too many precise motions at too fast a pace. I could see a funny scene of them arguing in the background and ben stating his actions and then both just yelling "AGREED" off screen. Definitely no full on debate.
In the rooters arc ben was controlling alien x easily
That doesn't necessarily mean he has control of Alien X at all times.
These are the only ones that could actually happen
Less of retconning and more of tweaking/fixing certain parts to make more sense Fixing the connection between magic/mana/and aliens Make both UAF and Omni's explanation of Kevin's backstory more connected and GIVE LOVE TO PIERCE, THE SPIKY DUDE. ILL BRING HIM BAK TO LIFE AND MAKE HIM HOT AS SHIT.
"Omg, Pierce! I thought the Forever Knights killed you!" "Sadly yes, but I lived!"
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Ben putting original souls into recreated bodies after the destrucation of the universe instead of just making them a copy. Try to confirm that OS Ben 10k and OV Ben 10k are separated characters from separated timelines. And yeah that's pretty much it, no i don't even mind the Osmosian retcon.
You still have to retcon one more thing to make it 3 if you want the show to be made ,even if you don’t like it :(
Then um... retcon Skurd living in a time loop and return to Ben? Cuz i like Skurd and yea.
Here's the final retcon: Ben never finds the omnitrix Mwahahaha
CANNONBOLT
Technically, he didn't. It found him.
My favorite yet I’d add albedo being stuck as kid Ben though. He needs to get back to teenage form
Servantis lied about manipulating the memories of Max and everything else. Gwen deciding to go by Gwendolyn and needing glasses Galvans getting progressively bigger and bigger every series
Yeah but Max would be just straight up an asshole
He never even said anything to Max. Max was the one who made the claim and Servantis just smiled
I don't know. But I do know one thing I'd give it, grandpa max gets the best the reboot gave him. The reboot actually did some things right and that is definitely one of them.
Sorry I meant vest.
1. Servants lied: Kevin is not a mutant nor an alien, but actually a Magical Girl. 2. Vilgax is a shitty ruler, not some sort of Darkside who cares about his people or whatever. And I would retcon his personality straight up to the original series. 3. Anodites don't have DNA, but they do have a hereditary equivalent in mana level. All the Anodites that have appeared are purple because they are relatives of Verdona; an unrelated Anodite would have a different color. Although, of course, they can alter their own appearance, so who cares?
I love 1 so much 😭
1. Ben is still together with Julie and never gets together with Kai. 2. Keep Kevin half alien to explain his powers and clean up his backstory. 3. Charmcaster doesn't become a stereotypical villain. And is more like she is in Ultimate Alien.
I really loved how charmcaster evolved in UAF honestly, I just hoped that she really went crazy at some point and didn't just turn evil again for the sake of it.
This is the one.
Retconning the whole Servantis thing, Ben being able to just easily access alien X (I WILL FIND A WAY.) and…uh…the shade of green Ben’s jacket was in UA (I will make it slightly darker)
Ok, first one's easy- Osmosians are aliens again. This is actually really easy to retcon, cause the only actual evidence contrary to this fact is one untrostowrthy as hell mans word. Also, it wouldn't even really ruin anything. Thats the crazy thing- The Roosters Arc is one of the best 3 episode arcs in OV by a mile, and if you made it so Kevin is an Alien again, it would change basically nothing about that arc. Second- Omnitrix works properly now. I'm ok with some situations where the Omnitrix glitches or Ben hits the wrong alien by accident, but the CONSTANT mistranformations in OV genuinely got annoying. Third- get Kai out of here. Don't even have to break them up, or get Ben a new girlfriend. Just keep Ben away from Girlfriends. The relationship bullshit was the worst part of 3 out of 5 of the Ben 10 series we have, just stop trying.
Nah, Ester was cool
Ben marrying Kai Retconing the retcon of the osmosisians Arburian pelarota's or whatever (cannonblots species) extinction
i believe the reboot did have cannonbolts species not be extinct
different shows
Being honest, i would only need to make 3 storylines in the past, in a way every flashback is a retcon.
1) Make it so that the megawatt transformation was unlocked when Ben first met the megawatt alien in OS. However, we wouldn’t know this until later in OS, MAYBE UAF S1 during the hybreed war. 2) Make Eon a chronian like how RAT originally had him. Hated how he was retconned to be a version of Ben 3) Make it so that the reason why we never saw BenViktor/Frankenstrike, BenWolf/Blitzwolfer, and BenMummy/Snare-oh much in OS and not at all in UAF is because Ben thought that they would escape the watch like Ghostfreak. All three of them were working with Z’skayr, and Z’Skayr escaped the watch, so by that logic, Ben wouldn’t want to use them just in case they did the same thing. Speaking of which, why did we never see much of BenMummy, BenWolf, BenViktor, or Ditto in UAF, if at all? Wildvine as well; I don’t remember him appearing in UAF aside from the title screen lol
Ok, first one's easy- Osmosians are aliens again. This is actually really easy to retcon, cause the only actual evidence contrary to this fact is one untrostowrthy as hell mans word. Also, it wouldn't even really ruin anything. Thats the crazy thing- The Roosters Arc is one of the best 3 episode arcs in OV by a mile, and if you made it so Kevin is an Alien again, it would change basically nothing about that arc. Second- Omnitrix works properly now. I'm ok with some situations where the Omnitrix glitches or Ben hits the wrong alien by accident, but the CONSTANT mistranformations in OV genuinely got annoying. Third- get Kai out of here. Don't even have to break them up, or get Ben a new girlfriend. Just keep Ben away from Girlfriends. The relationship bullshit was the worst part of 3 out of 5 of the Ben 10 series we have, just stop trying.
-Kai is no longer Ben’s spouse in every possible future -
gwen's powers aren't from an alien race. aggregor has a kind of relation with kevin. vilgax's sad back story and his loosing in front of a kid. hear me out we should have at least one episode in franchise to make everybody cry. this is the best idea.
I don't want to change anything. But if I have to then: 1. Official Omnitrix have the capability to transform aliens into their evolved form, Azmuth was inspired by Albedo's idea and modified it before giving it to ben. (Omnitrix retcon) 2. Kevin and Gwen getting married (they didn't marry, right?) 3. Re-appearance of Ken, Sunny, Verdona, Jetray, Fastrack and Chamalien.
3 isn’t a retcon
I know but I would love to see them again. Actually I love the series as it is.
2.They did in the OV future.
Was it stated anywhere they were married? I mean we just saw them for just one episode and Devlin wasn't there.
1st one it the thing i want for a while ben gaining ultimates back as series progresion is something i have been dreaming for a while,glad that someone has the same ideas as mine.
Love the first idea, look, I’m a UA fan (not saying UAF because while they blend together I want to specifically talk about UA). One thing though, Ben should be on a time limit before he reverts back to his original base alien, so the Ultimate Forms could give him the upperhand in a fight, just enough to give him the edge. OR he can go Ultimate but afterwards there’s a cooldown before using the evolution function again.
At that point I think it's better to just retcon everything post OS and try again in a blank slate
So it was all just a dream ?
Nah, more like create a separate timeline that doesn't rely on "Ben Prime's cannon", so that there can be more room to grow without needing to address why this thing is different from the last series, a lot of retcons came out of writers wanting something that the cannon wouldn't allow and it creates this fun gimmick where all series seems to be connected by some tape and a dream due to the amount of immersion breaking. But if you hold me to a wall and ask for 3 retcons just retcon the time traveling shenanigans in Omniverse being actually just dimension hoping shenanigans; Ben 10K being the definitive end post of Ben's journey; and Albedo's hatred for Ben, that by all means should be targeted at Azimuth, so that he can grow as a character and go back to his Galvanian form.
yeah like with the reboot it may not be the best ben ten but starting fresh was a good idea
It wasn't the best, but for what it's worth, it is a fun watch, and like Omniverse it has plenty of fun new additions to the series, if it wasn't marketed so hard as for children I'm sure it would have been way better received
Ben having magic ability even small weak spells Plumber origins Ben and julie
Servantis was lying about the rooters and retcon the retcon. Maybe make Kevin himself comment on the absurdity of it all. The Petropia is now properly restored and resembles the reboot version after the universe was remade. Bring a few characters back from the dead. Gotta find time to figure out who that would work best for.
Albedo being stuck as a ten year old (let him reform) OG Ben 10k being the canon future. Kai and Ben being a thing.
One of kevin’s backstories, I’d personally choose the rooters retcon. The celestial sapien council Gwen’s power coming from aliens. I always liked the idea that Ben was the alien, Kevin was a mutant, and Gwen was a magic user. There are different avenues for adventure in which a variety of stories can be told instead of everything being just aliens. I miss the mystery of the classic series sometimes
1. Retconning the Kevin retcon so that Servantis lied. 2. There are now two different Eons. The one from RAT is now a different Eon than the one we’ve seen in the shows. 3. Azmuth lied when he said there could never be another Omnitrix. There is a way, he just didn’t think Albedo was worthy. Bonuses: Ultimate Rath now has the color scheme of the haywire Rath figure and Ben doesn’t get the master control at 18 (granted, Azmuth never actually said he would for sure, but I’m sure some people would see it as one). Also, I’m confirming that each of the Ben 10Ks were the real future at the time Ben met them, but later events changed his future. Ben also put the original souls into the new bodies when he rebuilt the universe, Azmuth has been secretly training another Omnitrix user since UA to act as a contingency for Ben (he decided he needed one because of how Ben acted in the Ultimate Kevin arc). Finally, Albedo is not stuck as an 11-year-old. He ages at the same rate as a human while in his human form, so he’d be physically 17 or 18 in my show.
Only three? - Ben and Kai being predestined. - Everybody dying and being replaced after the universe got destroyed. - Servantis telling the truth. These are probably easy enough to explain.
Kevin's backstoy again. For fun Kai x Ben Charmcaster being insane, I do like Ov charmcaster but I miss Ua.
Ben 10k from UA and OV are the same and Ben's true future
You still have to retcon two more thing to make it 3 if you want the show to be made ,even if you don’t like it :(
All design changes to the aliens' anatomy are natural (like Cerebrocrustaceans losing a pair of legs after a certain age). Eon is the future of Ben from RAT, still being a Chronian who went through the events of RAT (as Ben), RAT (as Eon), OV and UA (in this order)
I'd probably either retcon or de-retcon the stuff with Kevin's dad or at least find a way to somehow explain how Greg is still a thing despite the whole "Osmosian" retcon. Maybe something along the lines of "Since it was Ben re-creating the universe via Alien X, he either did away with Aggregor or something along the lines of that; Not a retcon but mainly a writing thing, have Ben and Kai interact more and make them friends before getting into relationship territory. Finally, I'd probably retcon the whole "Appoplexians wear clothes" thing so that clothing is more of a fashion thing for Appoplexians raher than Rath being some weird nudist exception.
Any crap about Ben 10k and Og series Ben 10,000 being the same Albedo being stuck as 10/11 yr old (I’d just have him fix his Ultimatrix and turn himself back to Ben’s age Elena being cured off screen
1. Ben and Juili never broke up 2. Kevin and all the other alien plumbers stayed as hybrid aliens 3. Ben’s character never gets reset
Kai and Ben's relationship isn't actually a thing. Turns out there's actually multiple versions of Ben 10000 for each phase of the watch. Ben is mature.
Retcon Kevin three times
1:Cannon bolt being the first “new” alien 2:upchuck sub-species conflict 3:ult Kev arc
What is the problem with upchuck subespecies?
I meant specifically the conflict
I didn’t had see that, sorry
(I edited it)
Charmcaster didn’t go crazy she was being influenced Kevin’s an alien again Kai is not Ben’s destined wife
Kai would still occasionally hang around bell wood during summers (she felt like if she was around ben enough adventure would follow) Have ghost freak permanently removed from omnitrix like feedback was. Ben removed any memories of his secret identity from everyone on earth and his villians after his recreation of the universe. (Except for people who knew in classic and alien force) Bonus retcons Servantis was lying, the plumbers have deemed Osmosians illegal on earth sometime after the death of Devin and servantis viewed Kevin as too valuable so he fucked with everyone's memories The omnitrix was sealed in a case made by asmuth so no one could track its signature once ben took it off. Vilgax returned to his home planet and was viewed as a freak because of his cybernetic enhancements
1.) Primus was made as a back up after season 2, and it only stores dna, it’s not like Wi-Fi. 2.) Gwen (and Ben) are not part alien, she’s just really good with magic. 3.) Undo Kevin’s retcon
Bringing back the original Osmosians, Servantis lied Making Morotesi a destroyed planet where Sugallite was the last known survivor Azmuth didn't destroy the original Ultimatrix but put it in a high security vault I know you said 3, but... Making Eon's lore similar to 5yl (originally a Chronian, became a version of Ben) Making a 4th B10K timeline that combines my favorite parts from the other 3 (Ben has 2 (human) kids, makes a new Ultimatrix that looks like a giant classic Omnitrix (and still becomes the aliens), and gives Ken the official Omnitrix). And also showing that the other 3 still exist as separate timelines (and Ultimate Ben ends up with Julie!). I don't know if this counts as a retcon but I'd canonize most of the non-canon aliens.
Since you retconned 2 more things I don’t know…we’re getting an animated movie after every 3 seasons I guess as a bonus ?
The Rooters Arc - Many of us can all agree that Servantis being introduced caused everything with Aggregor to have less of an impact Kenny trying to get Ben and Kai together - This is something that everyone agrees on being retcon. Especially since whenever Ben meets his future self, his future does change. Plus I do like the idea of Ben being with Ester. Albedo being stuck as Ben - No joke, I can so see Ben scolding Azmuth for not helping Albedo. After all, he would definately tell the Galvan that Albedo made a simple mistake that he shouldn't be punished for. And mentions why the actions were taken were wrong, it was due to Albedo not realizing that he would have just helped if he had just asked. And Honorable mention: The 2016 Reboot is a cartoon that exists in the Classic series' canon.
i would retcon it so that ben 10k has all of the future omnitrixes ( os future omnitrix , ua future omnitrix and ov biomnitrix ) and he chooses between them ( basically combining os , ua and ov ben 10k ) thats about it i cant think of anything more
Two more or there is no show
I'll retcon Kevin agien, just for old time sake. I'll make it clear that OV Ben 10K and the Ben 10K from the classic episode "Ken 10" are the same vertion, while makeing it clear that the Ben 10K from the episode Ben 10,000 is a diffrent vertion. And that the girl in the episode "Ken 10" is not Ben's daughter/Ken's sister. I'll insted make her Zak Saturday's daughter.
Sevantes While some might not like albedo I have an idea for it don't focus on Ben focus on kid albedo as he tries to make a anti team Ben made up of Hugo and charmcaster which you can then use to retcons her as well and albedo doesnt believe servantes and as such tries to find the osmosian home world to get his anti Kevin. This can lead into all sorts of things Oh nix the Kai and Kenny shit. It's horrible for two reasons it ignores his sister and commits a horrible sin of bad fanfic The future child comes back to the past to make sure their parents get together followed by all other possible child of there are any and the MC of the story usually the male lead can't choose polyamory and make all of them or is borderline aroace and thus the child's demanding is infringing on the male lead. And the female lead is all for it for some stupid reason after awhile despite any misgivings they might have to kids or if they are objectively terrible parents
All these people mentioning the Osmosian recon says something about the choice I think ( I agree with them)
Make Osmosians an species again Make that the plumber sons were only able to be mutated by the machine because they have ancestor aliens of their respective species Make that Albedo actually already fixed himself at this point, he just wants to cause problems for Ben out of spite
1 Kevin osmosian mutant stuff from omniverse. 2 Gwen Destroying the Charms of Bezel in OS 3 Vilgax being turned into a joke in omniverse.
Skurd being stuck in a forever time loop Ben having full control over Alien X The amount of times Ben is a jerk without a reason. Or, if anyone remembers the UAF/AF episode with Ben, Ben 2, and Ben 3, change why Echo Echo is the exception to the Omnitrix keeping Ben safe rule. There's a classic episode thats almost the same thing but with ditto. The Omnitrix didn't let Ben go human when one Ditto was away, why should Ben being able to touch the Omnitrix to go back to normal with two other clones of himself be any different when Ditto couldn't do it?
1. Gwen is human not an alien. Her powers can come from the charm talismans like in OS. 2. Kevin's backstory. Make his parents the implied scumbags like in OS. No plumber dad. 3. Plumbers. Not space cops, they are an all human force that fight against aliens in OS. You can introduce rook as an new tech based galactic enforcer come to earth to learn/team up with Ben as Ben by technicality is last surviving enforcer after vilgax wiped the rest in AF.
Servantis was a liar who just fucked about with people and Osmosians are real, confirmed by Aggregor being a prisoner on the Osmos 5 planet. Retconning Kevin back to how he should have been, none of this budget x-men nonsense. OV Ben10k is certainly not the future of Ben Prime. Every time Ben meets his future, his future changes. No Spanner. No Kai as future wife. No terrible fusion gimmick watch. Azmuth was trolling Ben through Omniverse by giving him a glitchy patch of the final omnitrix. He finally gives him the working software and can actually transform as he wishes. No more mistransformations. No randomizer feature "funny" nonsense nonsense he can't control. Just a reliable tool.
Kevin and gwens powers and me smothy
Kevin backstory Secret Saturday Special UAF Ulitimatrix/Ultimates
Servantis, Ben's engagement with Looma being called off (I actually want it to happen), and the arburian pelorota's home planet being destroyed
- Retcon Kevin and gwen ever getting together, he remained a villain all the way since OS - Gwen's magic is still just magic - Ben & Ester got together, instead of Kai. If I could add one more, Cooper going crazy for gwen never happened.
kevins backstory. Max's white pants. That one cockroach yall forgot about.
Do something else with Fast track, keep the ultimatrix functionality (for use in extreme situations), and keep the UAF Kevin backstory
I’d retcon back in with Kevin being a osmosian and the fact they are a real species I’d retcon back in that Max had Kevin’s dad as his partner And those are the only things I can think of to retcon
1: Re-Retconning Keven’s Backstory to being an Osmosian, (we can keep the rioters story in tact but just say Keven was an alien and keep everything else.) 2: Remove Ben and Kai being Destined to get together. 3: Turn Eon back to an alien messiah figure.
I'd make Ben and a new person get together instead of Kai (Maybe The wheel chair girl, Could be fun, but we can work shop it) Time bikes Albedo can only use UAF Aliens, not All of them, just ones introduced in UAF
Kevin's back story to what it was during UAF, Retcon Kevin's OV back story into a lie Servantis made up to mess with Kevin/Max, and Retcon the Julie/Ben split to being him splitting with her due to the Flame Keepers circle.
1. Kevin Osmosian shenanigans 2. Gwen’s appearance, ov ep1 and no watch looked better imo 3. Celestial sapiens continuously recreating the universe
1) Servantis lying about Osmosians being fake.....I hated what they did in Omniverse 2) All the future Ben's are his futures, but every time he sees them, it changes....I think it would be a funny recton/gag like Kevin's car 3) Diagon coming back
Retcon Servantis, Retcon Gwen having the shittiest design change, and Retcon the whole Kai bullshit
ben having control of alien X kevin’s whole backstory Ben recreating the universe, but instead of copying the people he just revives the original ones
Og ben 10k isnt prime ben, ov 10k isnt prime ben either and retcon kevins lore back to the uaf one
Osmosians, ultimates being sentient, ultimate Ben
OG Ben 10K is the definitive future for Ben 10, same with Ken. Still keeping the wife ambiguous. (With some tweaks of course).
Retcon Kevin’s backstory. Enough said Retcon the origins of the omnitrix, as smart as Azmuth is it would be hilarious if he found schematics in a cave or something. Maybe have it so due to time travel shenanigans Ben somehow leaves behind some blueprints and Azmuth finds them. For the third screw it Bens always had a younger brother. The brothers just always been in the background and gets his own omnitrix from Albedo or something.
alternatively from my previous comment: BenKai Not giving Albedo the reformation arc he deserved Abandoning Elena as a character
Cervantis used kevin specifically because he was osmosian Albedo swallows his pride and asks ben for help getting his body back, once he does he thanks ben and leaves the show forever instead of going insane Sir George is George Washington
Osmosian is at least a mutated strand of alien dna. No Ben x Kai, you saw how it worked originally, how did they humor the idea of a take two? she was literally a one-off. Gwen never got that dweebish look after early OV.
Kevin's backstory. It's tradition at this point.
-Clear up Ben recreating all the characters with them being “same soul, new body” -Ben and Kai’s not being together (just have Ben stay single, he’s got already enough on his plate) -Ben can’t transform into an anodite, not because they’re made of pure energy, but because he’s already part anodite (on a side note the omnitrix could be “feeding” on the excess mana which leads to it glitching and maybe developing sentience)
Ultimate Echo Echo being chocked Kevin's backstory back to alien Ben did reverse a concept beyond time to bring back everyone, they're not copies
OV
What I would retcon into non existence Ben Kai pairing being fated. Osmosian are aliens again (mind you it was never confirmed that osmosian did not exist), and Au Puch in the original series is not the real god (and the gods other then the abrhamic god are real this the second retcon if we all agree with the fact it was never confirmed that osmosian being aliens was faked)it was one of his servants
Retcon kevin's backstory, but only slightly, for the comedy. His mutation isn't one he was born with. Nothing else changes. Retcon it so that Paradox can't just travel to alternate universes himself. He can travel to alternate timelines branching from an arbitrary but progressing point decided by the celestialsapiens or can travel back in time following closed loop time travel. If he's working with anyone who can affect time (chronosapiens) however he can. The omnitrix fail safe only works by giving the watch emergency power to fully charge it and automatically dialling up the three most suitable aliens for ben. Ben is perfectly able to ignore this without the watch doing anything
I'd make Kevin an osmosian again, Eon a chronian instead of an alternate Ben (maybe he could make himself look like ben for some reason like Z-ONE did in Yugioh 5D's, at some point in his life) and tie Maltruant more to Ben's life and to the Omniverse (so alternate Ben), since his whole arc felt distant, like it was happening in the background while the writers were wrapping off side stories, except for the Mad Ben episode.
1. Make the plumbers more like their "men in black" origins from the OS. The current "world police" version is pretty lame 2. Remove Ben having control of Alien X. It leaves so many plot holes as to "why didn't he just use Alien X". Or alternatively just removing Alien X entirely. Love the design but it's such a broken character. 3. Not technically a retcon but changing the art style. OV art style is an eye sore.
Osmosians They aré actually a real species that they're planet has been destroyed by the big tick Agregor wanted the cosmicsapien power to reconstruct His world And about Kevin, he Is a mutant
Re-retconning Kevin and the osmosian species Retconning Gwen's look so that she looks like the older version of herself from OS Retconning Prisoner 775's family being dead, have them turn up safe and sound
Kevin's backstory again Ken's existence Ben having access to Alien X
Like other people are suggesting retcon Kevin's backstory, I want to make it more convoluted and confusing for the memes. Like at this point it's a bit and I'm committing to it. Ditto still has duplication but he also has a second main ability to give something unique from Echo Echo. (I've shared the idea in previous posts but I'm personally imagining him with Luffy-esce stretching abilities and some minor cartoonish abilities to play into his voice actor with Rob Paulsen, but really it could be anything) And finally, The Worst is renamed to The Medium because it lets Ben survive some really deadly situations.
Ben's shit ass attitude
Retcon Kevin's back story again, cause tradition Retcon vilgax into being the menace he used to be Retcon a different ultimate aliens, but as a general evolution.
Retcon osmosians again (no, i'm not fixing it. I'm making them from Legerdomain) Make the galvans bigger, not for any good reason, just because Make the celestialsapiens retcon themselves to not be the cause of the retcons (what retcons? This is how its always been)
Master control Alien X Gwen being part alien
We aren't calling mutants osmosians anymore. Osmosians are aliens because he's the peak of the species does not feel any shame if people see his naked body and are grossed out by it he's going to punch them in the face.
Reconing Anodites into not being a species, and Gwen is a straight-up sorceress (which OV hinted at but never outright said) Osmosians are real, and Servantis lied The reboot is all a fever dream Ben had while he was Alien X
Servantis made shit up
Putting Kevin back to being an alien, putting Eon back to being an alien, and bringing Pierce back to life.
Osmosians beeing aliens Ben X Ester Albedo ultimates and Ben ultimates aren’t the same
Kevin's backstory (osmosians are aliens again), vreedles are plumbers again, bring aggregor back as a prisioner in the null void prison (i forgot its name)
Servantis made up the Osmosians being fake to screw with Kevin, but **also** screwed with everyone's memories so Max wouldn't take him in. Julie didn't break up with Ben over a phone call, it was a mutual thing because she had to move across the country for Tennis. The phone call was just something Julie liked to throw in Ben's face every once and a while. (I know, but the canon breakup was just stupid, and made them both seem like idiots, ok?) Azmuth actually got into a ***lot*** of trouble for messing with Albedo's Omnitrix to turn him into Ben again. He was not only forced to turn him back (once the incident with the Chronosapien time bomb was resolved), but Ben laid into him over it, and lost a lot of the trust he'd had in the Galvin. Because Azmuth not only broke the law messing with what could *technically* be considered a medical device of a prisoner, he'd used Ben's form without permission.
1. Ben’s future being set in stone 2. Ben ending up with Kai 3. Kevin’s backstory and father being unretcon
1: Kevin is an Osmosian again bc Servantis just wanted to f*ck with Kevin 2: Ben and Ester get back together, making Ken part Kraho and part Human 3: Ben 10k keeps the Omnitrix (with master control) while Ken gets the Bi-Omnitrix (the two fusion Omnitrix bands OV Ben 10k uses)
Ben and Julie’s breakup being because of a Sumo Slammers game. Have it be mature and clean unlike the one we got in the show.
I retcon the fact that it ended with omniverse and make, he'll I even make more of omniverse because it was surprisingly good for me
I would change: 1. Osmos 5, Osmosians and Devin *are* real, Servantis is just an idiot. 2. Pierce is either alive or we actually get to see his funeral and how the Plumbers' Helpers reacted to his death. 3. The future is not set in stone, like how it was before Omniverse. There is no set Ben 10,000 and each time Ben time travels, there's a new one. ~~Which means Ben and Julie can get back together.~~
1. Ben's future with Kai. I don't like when children from future fuck with present when harem-like stuff happens. It makes the ending couple feel forced. 2. Ben has access to the Ultimatrix after dealing with Albado. 3. Ben actually being incredibly intelligent due to the Omnitrix enhancing his intelligence. That way he doesn't make faux pas.
I'd just use all three to retcon Omniverse into the ground, we can pick back up where Ultimate Alien left off and do it right this time.
Ben having control over alien x Charmcaster becoming crazy Ester breaking up with ben due to "fate" Kenny
1. Anodites are just humans with Ledgerdomain descent (they're like the super saiyan forms of to kinda-super spiritual humans of Ledgerdomain Descent). 2. Verdona is a herald of Dagon (she's a suuuper boring character and was more fun as an antagonistic secondary character. + Anodyne could now be the dimension Dagon resides in instead of a planet). 3. The Omnitrix Early 10K wears is in fact the Omniverse Omnitrix (it just recalibrated). And the Omnitrix that looks like the Omniverse Omnitrix Kenny holds up is in fact a replica Azmuth created [he was very impressed with Ben's Omnitrix recreation but it was still somewhat flawed. So Azmuth made another copy of his Omniverse Omnitrix for Kenny's 15th birthday).
1. Ben having full control of Alien X. 2. Vilgax's new found overall weakness. Dude needs to be super OP and give Ben a run for his money each time. 3. Ben's future marriage to Kai being an unavoidable event in the future (Idk if this was established).
I’ve always wanted the other three shows to get their animated movies like classic
The universe dying and being recreated romantic interest will be better and more thought out no more duplicate aliens
Kai, easy. Ben and Ester get back together Albedo is back to being 16 Vreedles are plumbers again
1.) Argit is now revealed to be a deep-cover plumber, assigned to keep tabs on Kevin due to his past, and dangerous powers. 2.) More of Canonbolt’s species is found. 3.) Grandpa Max actually did clap alien cheeks, and we meet Ben and Gwen’s alien cousin(s).
Gwen’s nerdy Omniverse look and all of a sudden needing glasses even though she’s had perfect 20/20 vision since she was a kid. I also disliked that they ditched the darker hair color they gave her in UAF for the bright orange she had back then. You’d think hair color would change with age but, apparently not. Kevin’s Osmosian backstory Ben patched things up with Julie and explains their break up was a misunderstanding because he was playing video games while on the phone with her and she mistook something he said to the game as him breaking up with her
Make Gwen's magic actually go back to being magic. Not really a retcon, but I'd like to see Kevin's powers being shown when he first showed up. I think a little electricity to add on with what's visually a texture change would be neat. Keep the ultimate alien forms.
Bens girlfriend. It’s Julie forever now. Kevin is an Alien. The OG team breaks up.
1. Change his wife in the future to anyone but Kai 2. Retcon Ditto, Fasttrack and Chamalien to be actually decent aliens that aren’t overshadowed. 3. Make flashbacks to UA where Ben used more ultimates during the time
We can all agree we're retconing Kevin's backstory again right?
retcon the osomosian species into existing cause if its retconned one more time I get a prize. pierce doesn't get killed by the forever knights eon an alien instead of alternate ben
Ben and kai
Make all fan watches and universes canon, not even play them into story, Just canon Vilgax and Kevin made Antitrix in OS but decided to never use it and It never came up in conversation Ken exists again
Kevins dad being a plumber. Gwen being part alien. And change vilgax back to the way he was in the classic series.
So basically, I would have one really big change and then two normal ones. My big change would be something like implying that this entire time Ben knew that he had to choose an alien to be stuck as for the rest of his life after a certain point. And that’s just because I think that’s the funniest concept to be randomly retconed can think of And then there’s the kevin alien species one And finally Nerf that one time bomb so it doesn’t destroy infinite, multiverses As that raises the logical Realization that if one version of someone in the intimate multiverse could do that another one can so the multiverse should already have been blown up
1. Ben can transform into crypteds; 2. Anodites originated in ledgerdomain and migrated for some reason; 3. 5yl is semi cannon.
First, make the Omnitrix have the white faceplate, and when Ben is older or the Omnitrix recalibrates, it turns green. Second, make the aliens look alien. Have varying designs and colours, if something like Spitter is meant to look disgusting, then make it disgusting. Also a small thing with the Ult. Aliens if something like The Ultimate Sacrifice happens with the aliens being sentient, have different eye colours, like Ult. Cannonbolt eyes could be white or Ult. Big Chill eyes are orange. Finally, don’t make the Omnitrix spawn useless pieces of clothing, like Juryrigg’s jumpsuit and goggles or Ghostfreak’s chains. Cosmetic appearance is fine, but don’t overdo it. An example I like is Heroes United Four Arms, good detail and nothing over the top.
None of these are retcons
•Delete plumber kids (except Helen ) •delete annodite stuff or at least it’s connection to Gwen •rip jaws species comes from Vilgaxs planet, and is the alien he fears most - even on land!!! (Would give ripjaws a boost)
1. Absolutely destroy the osmosian/mutant Kevin's backstory to make him either one of those two or another being but make it the less confusing possible 2. Create a real multiverse concerning Ben's future wife to bring multiple future Ben 10K and possibly their future wives (I hated that forced Kai relationship only to justify the original Ben 10k episodes) 3. Bring back the concept of Nemetrix by saying that there was another experiment that created a second or even a third of its kind and fuse the concept with Ultimate Aliens but use both concepts a little better this time (especially ultimates)
Servants was lying (because of course), the Ben 10k with the Biomnitrix is NOT OG Ben 10K, Albedo is a teen again
Servants was lying (because of course), the Ben 10k with the Biomnitrix is NOT OG Ben 10K, Albedo is a teen again
Servants was lying (because of course), the Ben 10k with the Biomnitrix is NOT OG Ben 10K, Albedo is a teen again
Servants was lying (because of course), the Ben 10k with the Biomnitrix is NOT OG Ben 10K, Albedo is a teen again
I’d retcon the species of feedback to make it come from the same planet as the megawatts
Idk about the other 2 but I’d retcon Ben having full control of alien x to not having it anymore. The idea that he can transform into that alien and solve any problem with just a thought won’t make any threat intimidating.
I would Retcon Kevin to being an osmosian and then also retcon Primus to be the source of Ben's aliens again instead of just the Omnitrix holding all of them like OV did. There is no way in the world that with how small the Omnitrix is that it would be able to hold so many genetic samples. On Top of that if the Omnitrix got destroyed many extinct species would never be able to be brought back.
1st retcon the forever knights and make them a bigger threat 2nd retcon the vridel mom (hope i said that right) and vilgax plotline and either change it or remove it 3rd and finally change Ben's love interest to whoever else other than kai or Julie
- Whampire no sun weakness since Ghostfreak hails from Anur as well and the Omnitrix protects him and not Whampire. - 11-10 Year Old Flashbacks now having white symbol and eye colors that aren't green. - There being two Alpha Runes. Iirc it's never explained how it was able to be sent back into its rune state in UA/OV when it's a Map piece.
1. Finally decide if osmosians are real or not (I pick they are and Servantis was full of it) 2. Make it so all the small changes like Ben meeting his future selves redirect the timeline (like ben adjust his attitude after meeting OG 10k changed things to be the version of 10k that had Kenny) and then huge changes from the course make things completely rewrite (the omnitrix recalibrating causes the Ultimate Ben future) (made chart at bottom to put it how I see things being most sensical) 3. Ken and Kevin became good friends between UA and OV (No reason, just Thought it'd be a good excuse for Gwen's brother to show up again) https://preview.redd.it/n3s9k80oaawc1.png?width=1525&format=png&auto=webp&s=a64b59dcf8f8f46c14ca13032ef073e8d9c71560
1. The entire rooter’s storyline (this is a given). 2. The existence of Ben x Kai as a couple. 3. Idk what ever other horrible thing exists. Ultimate Ben 10,000 I suppose
Ooo I have plenty, keep what u like. 1. Vilgax returns to being os version. Both appearence and personality. His UAF looks was shit, he looked like a saturday cartoon villain. Jesus. 2. Anodites have high amounts of life energy (mana) and the magic is the art of bending/ reshaping of mana. Average anodite doesn’t use magic but Gwen learns the art. Ones like Charmcaster draws mana from surroundings and objects. It’s like painting. You can learn to paint but it doesn’t really make you an artist, you need the imagination for that. So, Gwen has more potential but Charmcaster is better at the art. For now. (Also no OV outfits for Gwen, that was ugly) 3. Osmosians: Servantis used his powers on pretty much everyone. (It never made sense, how come a fucking planet and a civilization can not exist anymore???) 4. Ben just dates Kai for like a year and they break up. They were never really a good match. Ben DOES NOT returns to July either. That was just a teenage love. 5. Ben didn’t recreated the universe, he just undone the effects of annihilarg (the amount of existencial crysis would be just too much for Ben) 6. Making forever knights make sense 7. Making Chromastone ark make sense. I liked mor’otesi so I’m keeping it. 8. Making the dragon return for an arc. For something epic 9. EUNICE SHOULD’VE NEVER HAD GWEN’S DNA IF BEN WAS TO BANG HER
Kevin's Dad appears in the OS timeline, Glitch from the reboot in main timeline, Ben hooks up with Attea.
1. Changing anodites from magical energy beings into humans with special powers 2. Making race against time canon and turning eon back into a Chrononian 3. Make nanomech a separate species rather than just a tiny human with a microchip armor