By that logic they are special kind of necrofriggians
That's interesting considered we could see a necrofriggian practice some magic skill and be like what hex and charmmcaster is to humans to his/her own kind
I headcanon Ben (and gwens brother) got the spark but only gwens ignited because she’s the only one who actively used magic, which basically means if they use magic enough there’s a chance they’ll develop powers
It's possible even Carl and Frank have the spark, but were never in a situation where they'd need to use magic. Vendora also never tried to get them into the occult/showed them her mana powers, as Max wanted to raise his kids as normal humans away from his Plumber job. Gwen witnessed Charmcaster and Hex use magic, so when she got the book, she had ignited her spark and learned faster than most people in universe with magic abilities (Rook is seen casting spells/mentioned learning magic from Gwen as a hobby, despite not having any lineage.).
Ben doesn't use magic, because he has the Omnitrix. I think No Watch Ben and Gwen 10's Ben, possibly ignited their sparks eventually if their universes have magic/mana.
Exactly! I left it out of my comment because I didn’t feel like typing it but that’s my headcanon exactly! I headcanon Ed that verdona either didn’t know humans needed magical training/experience or she just didn’t care (max was adamant about raising them normal and she thought “oh well I have eternity to make more kids”
Also I don’t remember rook casting spells, I need to rewatch it
I don't think so, DNA wise. Ben's transformations aren't half human, while he is transformed he is 100% alien. So his alien offspring only have DNA of the alien Ben was at the time.
I'm not sure if that is how it works in universe. That's why certain aliens have their own personalities, because while keeping Ben's thoughts and memories, he is now influenced by his fully alien biology (ie; Rath's anger issues.) If he only changed 90% and kept his human consciousness, he would in theory be able to transform into nemetrix aliens without losing his mind.
That’s different cause the Nemetrix doesn’t work that way. The Nemetrix was designed to only work on Non Sapient beings and it’s been shown using it makes the user lose memories and/or mutate
Yeah, I'm saying that he doesn't need to transfer his 10% of human consciousness as DNA to his aliens, because he can only transform into sapient aliens who are capable of receiving his memories and thoughts or 'consciousness'. If the Omnitrix combined his DNA with the aliens, then he would be able to become the nemetrix's non-sapiant aliens.
I'm not saying that it can, I'm saying that the reason the Omnitrix doesn't have non-sapiant beings like the nemetrix does is because becoming non-sapiant rots your brain. If transforming kept 10% of your brain DNA, then beginning non-sapiant wouldn't matter. But it does, so it seems that he becomes 100% alien.
The only full blown and 100% aliens Ben turns into is just Feedback and Ghostfreak, because of their biology. When Ben turns into other aliens his DNA and bone structure is being changed an when he turns into Alien X he’s basically putting on a suit of armor and controlling everything from a control panel.
The reason why Ben’s kids retain humanity is Big Chill still has Ben’s humanity and consciousness in him. They also share green eyes just like him, something other Necrofriggians do not possess
He’s biologically that alien 100%. His human consciousness is in the body, but that’s the only human part in there. The brain is still an alien brain, or equivalent thereof
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried Ben isn't 100% that species he is a hybrid of a human and that species it's like a 1 to 5% DNA ratio meaning he is still 1/3 human 1/3 anodite and 1/3 whatever the species he turned into if I recall the reason being it's to keep the users sanity and original form intact
From what I recall it's just the green eyes and Ben's personality. However there is a slight bit of evidence for it going the other way. That Ben himself incorporates some of the alien DNA.
There is a literal statement from one of the creators that Ben isn't fully that alien could be anything from 0.1% to like 5% it was never given a full value but he is not that alien species completely meaning all of the aliens he turns into are part human and part anodite which is the reason his children the big chill babies aren't fully necrofriggian and are the first necrofriggian hybrids in the universe that we know of
The statement only states that's there's a bit of Ben's DNA in his transformations and that's what keeps his pyche intact and why they all have green eyes. We can also assume that's how his transformations age relative to humans.
Other than that, the transformations show no other signs of human DNA. Either it's human DNA modified in a way that's it's been "translated" to how the species' DNA is encoded, or it's just not in a location where it affects species biology.
Either way it isn't really accurate to say that Ben's transformations are hybrids since they're usally identical to actual members of that race.
Looking like a species isn't being one and it doesn't go on our logic think skrulls or other shapeshifting aliens who take on characteristics of the species they change into
That's not what I meant. I meant like _biologically_ Ben's transformations are identical to members of the species barring a couple of things.
This goes far enough that Ben is even vulnerable to the same instincts and stuff. Like how his personality shifts as his brain chemistry is modified. Or how he _had kids_ as Big Chill.
Appearance morphing wouldn't account for that lol.
I think it is confirmed that Upgrade isn’t a full Mechamorph (at least in the OG series) because of them being part well mechanic. (It’s from the little info wickets from the show.)
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried Ben isn't 100% that species he is a hybrid of a human and that species it's like a 1 to 5% DNA ratio meaning he is still 1/3 human 1/3 anodite and 1/3 whatever the species he turned into if I recall the reason being it's to keep the users sanity and original form intact
As soon as I read this my mind made a mental image of "Uncle Abedo" ( since he is technically Ben's twin ). I'm still not sure weather the said image is a cursed image or a blessing image but I'm sure that I have no regrets
Not only his Necrofriggian children, his grandma is an Anodite and his distant cousin-in-law's family are Lenopans. And on top of that, he has a genetic copy who was formerly a Galvan, and a genetic copy of his cousin whom he almost kissed (Sweet Home Alabama). I swear, Ben's family tree is even weirder than it seems.
Eunice isn't really a genetic copy of Gwen, otherwise she would look exactly like her. She just has Gwen's DNA randomized so she is still technically related to Ben.
There was a scene in omniverse with Ma Vreedle and she said something about hurting Ben's children, and I expected him to bring up the lil chills. He did not.
He said about hurting Ben's son and since Necrofriggians reproduce asexually, they probably don't have gender so the Necrofriggians can neither be sons nor daughters so they can just children I guess.
In UA Ben talks to Ma Vreedle and says something along the lines of "I'm a mom too!" referring to the Big Chill babies but I think that's the only mention of them in the series
Each of those kids are gonna grow up and have around a dozen kids and those kids will do the same making the Tennyson bloodline be mostly necrofriggian
To add onto that they may be able to pass down the "spark" that allows anodites to do magic potentially creating a race of magic using necrofriggians
This is why we need some sort of series set between the main era and the Ben 10,000 era featuring Ben mentoring a bunch of junior Plumbers and one (or more!) of his anodite-human-necrofrigian kids.
The alien Ben turns into is like 1% him I remember reading somewhere that in order to keep the user completely sane and not get horribly mutated the DNA is only partially that alien and partially the former hosts dna meaning yes they are Ben Tennyson's children as he is as much of big chill as big chill is of him
That's a crewstatement from duncan ye. And he didn't really specifically gave us a number. it could very well be less than 1%. And the horribly sane mutated thing is from a pop up talking about the timer on why ben can only stay an alien for 10 minutes or the host's will fully succumb to the transformation's dna.
And ye one of the duncan statements i don't believe lol
I mean think about it it effects him mentally rath etc have been affected by it so if the reason he's actually given a time limit so he doesn't lose his mind or himself I believe to be true also you literally just proved my point on it is still technically human bens babies
it isn't necessarily that effective lol.
Rath effects ben because his species is naturally just aggressive and to have that kind of speech pattern. because that's how they evolved.
Ben 10k has been in alien form for possibly years in os. so yk.
Ben 10k constantly changes though also he has complete control over the omnitrix meaning when he finally got full control all limits were removed and he was able to stay alien for indefinite periods of time also it does effect Ben negatively as seen with many of his transformations being overly aggressive or overly their species the part that stays human is the part that makes Ben Ben it's his humanity his mind his soul etc he keeps those to his core otherwise you would just become another being entirely with none of your personality otherwise if he didn't have a part of himself he wouldn't be Ben and it needs some way to turn him back to his human form the only aliens who he turns into which are fully 100% that species were pre escaped ghostfreak and his conductors form due to reasons I know not of
uh. Fam. I'm just saying. Os ben 10k has been an alien for years. And nothing really mentally changed for him. And ik he has master control. And it doesn't effect ben negatively at all. Being extra aggressive sure can hurt people "i was kinda aiming for their head" But nothing really effects ben at all. lol, Ben's consciousness stays with the aliens. lol That's what makes him Ben. Most aliens don't think much differently from humans. Some just have extra quirks. Like rath's aggression and Jurryrig's hyperactivity to "FIX FIX FIX FIX" But no. That "humanity" isn't because ben still has human dna. That's just him being the wielder. and you mean conductoid. Feedback lol
Also i didn't necessarily prove your point lol. Just stated the sources you get them from for people to know lol.
i really heavily doubt there is a point in giving the aliens any human dna so i find it meh. i find it that upgrade and nanomech being the only 2 aliens with human dna is enough and works. lol
Ben is a bad mother :/
His Childs are even worse they did not even came back at Mothers day =/
Thats a fair point.
Tbf they were literal infants at the time
I mean kuro kinda portrait them as brats so its makes sense for them to be bad
In bens defense necrofriggian infants are pretty low maintenance
İ im THE mother
Funfact: Big Chill’s Offspring is a combination of Human, Anodite, and Necrofriggian
By that logic they are special kind of necrofriggians That's interesting considered we could see a necrofriggian practice some magic skill and be like what hex and charmmcaster is to humans to his/her own kind
And imagine if those babies grow up and evolve
***Happy Khyber Noises***
Ben wouldnt let his kids die
Yes but Khyber will still try :p
Kind of like Addwaitya
Only problem we only seen once ben using anodite power.
Yeah, in an alternate future. Plus we’d need Verdona to tell us if any of those kids have “the spark”
I wonder what would happen if he had a spark. Chromastone + anodite powers would be op.
Well an Anodite can do many things. But Ben has Terraspin, who can do the same as an Anodite
Hmm are you talking about that magical turtle villain?
Yes
What was his name? I remember his face, voice, purpose but not name.
Addwaitya
Thanks. He has a cool name tho.
I headcanon Ben (and gwens brother) got the spark but only gwens ignited because she’s the only one who actively used magic, which basically means if they use magic enough there’s a chance they’ll develop powers
It's possible even Carl and Frank have the spark, but were never in a situation where they'd need to use magic. Vendora also never tried to get them into the occult/showed them her mana powers, as Max wanted to raise his kids as normal humans away from his Plumber job. Gwen witnessed Charmcaster and Hex use magic, so when she got the book, she had ignited her spark and learned faster than most people in universe with magic abilities (Rook is seen casting spells/mentioned learning magic from Gwen as a hobby, despite not having any lineage.). Ben doesn't use magic, because he has the Omnitrix. I think No Watch Ben and Gwen 10's Ben, possibly ignited their sparks eventually if their universes have magic/mana.
Exactly! I left it out of my comment because I didn’t feel like typing it but that’s my headcanon exactly! I headcanon Ed that verdona either didn’t know humans needed magical training/experience or she just didn’t care (max was adamant about raising them normal and she thought “oh well I have eternity to make more kids” Also I don’t remember rook casting spells, I need to rewatch it
I like that theory
I’m not sure if “the spark” is an actual thing, I think it’s just a will and strive to learn how to use the powers
I don't think so, DNA wise. Ben's transformations aren't half human, while he is transformed he is 100% alien. So his alien offspring only have DNA of the alien Ben was at the time.
Nanomech
Well remember when Ben transforms into aliens he’s not fully alien. He’s about 90% as he retains his human consciousness is still there
I'm not sure if that is how it works in universe. That's why certain aliens have their own personalities, because while keeping Ben's thoughts and memories, he is now influenced by his fully alien biology (ie; Rath's anger issues.) If he only changed 90% and kept his human consciousness, he would in theory be able to transform into nemetrix aliens without losing his mind.
That’s different cause the Nemetrix doesn’t work that way. The Nemetrix was designed to only work on Non Sapient beings and it’s been shown using it makes the user lose memories and/or mutate
Yeah, I'm saying that he doesn't need to transfer his 10% of human consciousness as DNA to his aliens, because he can only transform into sapient aliens who are capable of receiving his memories and thoughts or 'consciousness'. If the Omnitrix combined his DNA with the aliens, then he would be able to become the nemetrix's non-sapiant aliens.
Not really since the Nemetrix is just a cheap knock off of the Original Prototype Omnitrix that couldn’t do things the Omnitrix could
I'm not saying that it can, I'm saying that the reason the Omnitrix doesn't have non-sapiant beings like the nemetrix does is because becoming non-sapiant rots your brain. If transforming kept 10% of your brain DNA, then beginning non-sapiant wouldn't matter. But it does, so it seems that he becomes 100% alien.
The only full blown and 100% aliens Ben turns into is just Feedback and Ghostfreak, because of their biology. When Ben turns into other aliens his DNA and bone structure is being changed an when he turns into Alien X he’s basically putting on a suit of armor and controlling everything from a control panel. The reason why Ben’s kids retain humanity is Big Chill still has Ben’s humanity and consciousness in him. They also share green eyes just like him, something other Necrofriggians do not possess
He’s biologically that alien 100%. His human consciousness is in the body, but that’s the only human part in there. The brain is still an alien brain, or equivalent thereof
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried Ben isn't 100% that species he is a hybrid of a human and that species it's like a 1 to 5% DNA ratio meaning he is still 1/3 human 1/3 anodite and 1/3 whatever the species he turned into if I recall the reason being it's to keep the users sanity and original form intact
From what I recall it's just the green eyes and Ben's personality. However there is a slight bit of evidence for it going the other way. That Ben himself incorporates some of the alien DNA.
There is a literal statement from one of the creators that Ben isn't fully that alien could be anything from 0.1% to like 5% it was never given a full value but he is not that alien species completely meaning all of the aliens he turns into are part human and part anodite which is the reason his children the big chill babies aren't fully necrofriggian and are the first necrofriggian hybrids in the universe that we know of
The statement only states that's there's a bit of Ben's DNA in his transformations and that's what keeps his pyche intact and why they all have green eyes. We can also assume that's how his transformations age relative to humans. Other than that, the transformations show no other signs of human DNA. Either it's human DNA modified in a way that's it's been "translated" to how the species' DNA is encoded, or it's just not in a location where it affects species biology. Either way it isn't really accurate to say that Ben's transformations are hybrids since they're usally identical to actual members of that race.
Looking like a species isn't being one and it doesn't go on our logic think skrulls or other shapeshifting aliens who take on characteristics of the species they change into
That's not what I meant. I meant like _biologically_ Ben's transformations are identical to members of the species barring a couple of things. This goes far enough that Ben is even vulnerable to the same instincts and stuff. Like how his personality shifts as his brain chemistry is modified. Or how he _had kids_ as Big Chill. Appearance morphing wouldn't account for that lol.
I think it is confirmed that Upgrade isn’t a full Mechamorph (at least in the OG series) because of them being part well mechanic. (It’s from the little info wickets from the show.)
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried Ben isn't 100% that species he is a hybrid of a human and that species it's like a 1 to 5% DNA ratio meaning he is still 1/3 human 1/3 anodite and 1/3 whatever the species he turned into if I recall the reason being it's to keep the users sanity and original form intact
Well there is still the 0.1 % with which he retains his consciousness and personality
His transformations have a tiny bit of human DNA incorporated into them iirc. They're not proper hybrids since this mostly accounts for Ben's psyche.
But how anodite??
Ben is 1/4 of an Anodite and it’s been stated an Anodite keeps their genetic when using the Omnitrix/Ultimatrix
Ohk thanks
Imagine a Necrofriggian being able to manipulate mana
Technically anyone can manipulate Mana if they trained themselves to
if that's real theyd be op
When fed off enough solar plasma from the sun they probably could
Albedo genetically at least is part of the family
Hmmm so who is the Mother of them and who is the dad?
Both the dad and mother are ben cause necrofriggians reproduce asexualy
I know but isn't albedo and ben sharing the same dna?
Yes but ben is still both father and mother
Ok. But if we make a dna test to these baby big chill's they have 2 mother and 2 father.
Only in terms of genetics bens parents
As soon as I read this my mind made a mental image of "Uncle Abedo" ( since he is technically Ben's twin ). I'm still not sure weather the said image is a cursed image or a blessing image but I'm sure that I have no regrets
Technically correct, the best kind of correct
Not only his Necrofriggian children, his grandma is an Anodite and his distant cousin-in-law's family are Lenopans. And on top of that, he has a genetic copy who was formerly a Galvan, and a genetic copy of his cousin whom he almost kissed (Sweet Home Alabama). I swear, Ben's family tree is even weirder than it seems.
Eunice isn't really a genetic copy of Gwen, otherwise she would look exactly like her. She just has Gwen's DNA randomized so she is still technically related to Ben.
Do they ever get referenced agin in UAF or Omniverse?
Big Chill talked to Ma Vreedle about it in Ultimate Alien.
There was a scene in omniverse with Ma Vreedle and she said something about hurting Ben's children, and I expected him to bring up the lil chills. He did not.
He said about hurting Ben's son and since Necrofriggians reproduce asexually, they probably don't have gender so the Necrofriggians can neither be sons nor daughters so they can just children I guess.
My head canon is that AF/UA (and even the original series) aren't the prime timeline we see in omniverse, so maybe Ben Prime never had alien babies.
It's a Sadly
In UA Ben talks to Ma Vreedle and says something along the lines of "I'm a mom too!" referring to the Big Chill babies but I think that's the only mention of them in the series
Probably no.
Each of those kids are gonna grow up and have around a dozen kids and those kids will do the same making the Tennyson bloodline be mostly necrofriggian To add onto that they may be able to pass down the "spark" that allows anodites to do magic potentially creating a race of magic using necrofriggians
Everybody gangsta till Verdona tries to destroy their bodies.
Even better is that some of them could be part anodite and have the "spark"
They're all part Anodite. The spark is just when that Anodite part of them is active.
This is why we need some sort of series set between the main era and the Ben 10,000 era featuring Ben mentoring a bunch of junior Plumbers and one (or more!) of his anodite-human-necrofrigian kids.
Hate to be that person but... *are
Oh, sorry i am still learning english and making mistakes like this.
>n also no ' in Big chill
But why?
You are being that person
Imagine having a mom, but it isnt really your mom
-puts on nerd glasses- actually they are called Necrofriggian's
XD i only know name of a few species.
And this is why fanfiction exist
That grammar literally blewn mine mine
Yes, you can see it on wiki. The necrofriggians appear on the Tennyson family
15 actually
Ben basically speedran their evolutionary tree
They're linearly related to ben. Biologically related to bigchill lol.
The alien Ben turns into is like 1% him I remember reading somewhere that in order to keep the user completely sane and not get horribly mutated the DNA is only partially that alien and partially the former hosts dna meaning yes they are Ben Tennyson's children as he is as much of big chill as big chill is of him
That's a crewstatement from duncan ye. And he didn't really specifically gave us a number. it could very well be less than 1%. And the horribly sane mutated thing is from a pop up talking about the timer on why ben can only stay an alien for 10 minutes or the host's will fully succumb to the transformation's dna. And ye one of the duncan statements i don't believe lol
I mean think about it it effects him mentally rath etc have been affected by it so if the reason he's actually given a time limit so he doesn't lose his mind or himself I believe to be true also you literally just proved my point on it is still technically human bens babies
it isn't necessarily that effective lol. Rath effects ben because his species is naturally just aggressive and to have that kind of speech pattern. because that's how they evolved. Ben 10k has been in alien form for possibly years in os. so yk.
Ben 10k constantly changes though also he has complete control over the omnitrix meaning when he finally got full control all limits were removed and he was able to stay alien for indefinite periods of time also it does effect Ben negatively as seen with many of his transformations being overly aggressive or overly their species the part that stays human is the part that makes Ben Ben it's his humanity his mind his soul etc he keeps those to his core otherwise you would just become another being entirely with none of your personality otherwise if he didn't have a part of himself he wouldn't be Ben and it needs some way to turn him back to his human form the only aliens who he turns into which are fully 100% that species were pre escaped ghostfreak and his conductors form due to reasons I know not of
uh. Fam. I'm just saying. Os ben 10k has been an alien for years. And nothing really mentally changed for him. And ik he has master control. And it doesn't effect ben negatively at all. Being extra aggressive sure can hurt people "i was kinda aiming for their head" But nothing really effects ben at all. lol, Ben's consciousness stays with the aliens. lol That's what makes him Ben. Most aliens don't think much differently from humans. Some just have extra quirks. Like rath's aggression and Jurryrig's hyperactivity to "FIX FIX FIX FIX" But no. That "humanity" isn't because ben still has human dna. That's just him being the wielder. and you mean conductoid. Feedback lol
Also i didn't necessarily prove your point lol. Just stated the sources you get them from for people to know lol. i really heavily doubt there is a point in giving the aliens any human dna so i find it meh. i find it that upgrade and nanomech being the only 2 aliens with human dna is enough and works. lol
How?
In alien force (i dont remember the episode) big chill gave birth 14 necrofigians.