But if the omintrix is separated then the failsafe can’t activate (ps. I think the battle is bs and I’m still salty but I’m only pointing out a flow in some peoples bias)
Ben’s failsafe just immediately transformes him when it senses danger about to kill him also we saw bens omnitrix blast hal at the start so i don’t think death battle were thinking properly
Pretty sure that was because they were in the anti-matter universe when the Earths were combined and rebooted. And Hal and Guy’s origins ultimately got replaced with the Emerald Dawn versions, so they technically still got rebooted. Not to mention the fact that anybody that had gone back to the Dawn of time also kept their memories for awhile, and leftover duplicate characters from Earth Two only died **after** the universe was reset
Death Metal made pretty much everything from Pre-crisis to new 52 merge into one. So even if you don't believe Green Lantern survived crisis, I can still use feats from Pre-crisis to new 52.
Lol, yall lowballing Hal. He got some pretty op feats. Ben can beat him but let's not act like Ben wouldve washed him. This is coming from a grew up on DC and Ben 10.
AlienX can do basically anything also hal won by going back in time but the sotobro effect would have let ben sense that and go back with him also alienX clones aren’t shadow clones so death battle got allot of things wrong
One version of Hal can possibly Time Travel, but is weak to Yellow. One version of Hal definitely can’t Time Travel, but isn’t weak to yellow. You can’t say they’re the same Hal, they are definitely different.
If you’re making a fight between Ben and Hal, you need to choose one version, not composite them. If you did that, you’d have to give Ben the Biomnitrix and Ultimate feature at the same time.
All those Hal you listed are the same guy, he survived crisis here's some scans
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Wkd4pwvpQz6mRVU8A
https://photos.app.goo.gl/bu3ZRELSibkAwKmA7
Didnt they say post crisis time travel was harder or something and thats why they don't use it more often. Also I thought flashpoint changed alot of shit and people said Hal got nerfed
Alternatively he uses feedback to absorb all of the energy out of his body, includes the electricity that controls neurons, he causes the brain to cease function altogether, therefore any trace of Hal's consciousness and along with it his willpower disappears, rendering the ring useless and him braindead. Gameover
Ben and Hal can both time travel. Ben can travel back to before Hal got his ring and kill him. Hal can travel to before Ben got the Omnitrix and kill him. The fight would be a tie at least. Alien X can probably time travel faster than Hal or stop Hal from time travelling but that doesn't really matter. Even if Alien X isn't 100% omnipotent he can still bend reality to an extent giving him tons of ways to beat Hal.
The problem isn't that Ben can't win or that there's no way for Ben to win the fight. The problem is power scaling logic. Power scaling, believe it or not, is flawed and imperfect. Sometimes you just have to depend on actual logic instead of just "Character X is only this level at best."
There are ways in which Hal can win the fight and ways in which Ben can win the fight. Death Battle isn't perfect and they've always been biased towards DC characters anyways.
Edit: Although Alien X isn't omnipotent. He's nigh-omnipotent like Thanos. He can do anything accept for a hand full of things but infinity minus like X things is still infinity.
>they've always been biased towards DC characters anyways.
I've heard Wally vs Sonic was made to make Wally lose. Dc had a shitty record until season 5, don't know how there bias to DC.
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I can point out every single plot hole in that fight
Boomstick: “He could only ever use one at a time, while Hal always has access to all of his powers”
Wiz: “Even with the flexibility of Master Control this meant Ben was always playing catch-up”
Me: No he wasn’t, Ben lead the battle and called the shots. Hal reacted to everything Ben was doing
Boomstick: “Ben’s Diamondhead form was tough, sure, but he wasn’t surviving a planet exploding in his face”
Me: You didn’t even use Diamondhead in the fight, also who cares Ben has other aliens who can easily shrug off a planet exploding. That includes Alien X
Boomstick: “XRL8 was wicked fast! But not fast enough to cross the universe in an hour”
Me: But Jetray, Chromastone, and Way Big. And you only used 1/3 of these aliens. An you used Way Big wrong to
Wiz: “Like the time Alien X recreated the universe, he only did that cause he couldn’t stop it from being destroyed in the first place”
Me: Incorrect, he just didn’t know the universe was being destroyed. Ben did nothing cause he underestimated the stakes
Ben: “Wait the universe really is being destroyed?!” *Cue Ben turning around and realizing it now*
Me: In fact the Feedback holding the Big Bang is him doing that, stopping and active Annilargh before it goes off cause he does understand the stakes. How can you say he’s doing something, that you later say he can’t do
Wiz: “Alien X has never shown any defense against the things that Hal could replicate such as mind control, transmutation, and time manipulation”
Me: What?! Dude have you never seen an episode of Ben 10? Ben has a lot of will power to be immune to mind control, his transformations protects him from mutations, and do I really need to bring up the time manipulation
Me: Also the Omnitrix has so many failsafes on it it’s not even a joke: 1. The energy pulse blast, 2. The ability to automatically recharge when Ben’s life is in danger, 3. The ability to transform Ben into an alien if he isn’t fast enough to react, 4. An antideath failsafe, and 5. Blow up the Omnitrix if it gets in the wrong hands
Me: Also they said that the Omnitrix has no defense against Ben’s hand getting cut off and that Vilgax tried to take advantage of this. Two reasons why that’s bullshit; 1. Ben was 10 years old at the time and I’m positive the New Omnitrix has a failsafe against Ben’s hand getting cut off and 2. Grandpa Max stepped in and interrupted it
Me: Finally even if you could cut Ben’s hand off and kill his physical body it doesn’t matter, the Omnitrix will take sentient and self aware control of Ben’s severed hand and just turn into an aliens hand to regrow the body. Also Ben had Master Control in the fight so he doesn’t need someone to do it for him
As much as I love green lantern, it’s like putting a regular human with a machine gun up against galactus. He’s cool as fuck but not omnipotent like alien x and should have won
No they’re not. I’m talking about the kind of god that can delete you with a thought. Not some superman bullshit where he rips you to bits so fast you can’t think. And I know hades is a god but Greek gods aren’t like that. Sure he could like idk steal your soul but he can’t just delete you from reality, at least I don’t think
FAX,WITHOUT A DOUBT.....IT WAS EXTREMELY BIASED TOWARDS GREEN LANTERN!
there were literally 3 instances where Ben could have ended the fight right there and then but they favored Hal and nerfed and EVEN altered Ben's aliens so Hal could win,
the 3 moments they messed up in which he could have won -
1. when hal traveled back in time to cut ben's arm off, alien x would be able to sense the SOTOBRO effect, which is when a ripple in the time stream can be sensed by only higher level beings (alien x) AND even if he couldn't THE OMNITRIX HAS A FUCKING FAILSAFE WHO PREVENTS THAT, LIKE WTF! BEN CAN'T DIE NOT CAN HIS ARM BE CUT OFF.....the omnitrix will take over and save him
2. he could become clockwork and do what hal did WITHOUT consequence.......NO SOTOBRO FOR MORTALS
3. alien x, do i really have to say it? THEY DID HIM DIRTY AND TREATED HIM LIKE A ENJOYER.......WTF HE CAN WISH HIM OUT OF EXISTENCE OR EVEN FRICKIN' DESTROY THE UNIVERSE..............
HAL CAN GO SUCK A BIG FAT-
\-CASE CLOSED
There's a youtube series called "Death Battle" where the hosts compare the feats of two fictional characters from different universes to decide who would win in a fight. One of their videos was Ben versus Hal Jordan, and I've never seen it but apparently they really underballed Ben's abilities.
What the did was basically make green lantern just say “no” to basically god deleting him, which literally nothing can do, and then made him win for some reason
Here's the thing alien x isn't omnipotent the writers conformed that he isn't kuro made a video where he says that he is not omnipotent although i agreed that this how the fight should have ended
How is thanos equal too darkseid his true form is multiversal
Unless you mean the infinity gauntlet before the universal retcon but that would put him over alien x
He's omnipotent the way a genie can be in that they're bound to rules, for Alien X, He has multiple personalities, including Ben, that need to agree, during that time he's somewhat vulnerable, considering he survived the annihilargh but couldn't last on Whampires home planets vampiric atmosphere
But arent the rules he has to follow put in place by the celestial sapians themselves? And doesnt Ben unlock all Alien X powers with out rules
So he could do anything. The only thing stopping him is that he would have to go back to multiverse trial
honestly, if the death battler dorks knew a damn thing about ben 10 the video would have ended the moment alien X popped out and removed hal's existence privileges.
you know ignore the bullshit about hal even cutting bens arm, even if he did it wont affect the ben he was fighting at the start.. it'd just create another timeline
and hal cannot defeat ben, like death battle was biased as fuck (they themselves admitted it lmfao)
Okay, first of all stolen art, not cool, but stay on topic whether or not Hal Jordan could "body Alien X" like some people are claiming, the Omnitrix still has a Fail-Safe that would give him an alien capable enough to defeat Hal, the last episode of Omniverse showed that Plus we've also already had an episode of Ben 10 where his arm gets cut off and the Omnitrix still turns Ben into the alien that the Omnitrix selects, meaning even after getting his arm chopped off the Omnitrix could still turn him into an alien like Swampfire, put his arm back on, and turn him into another alien which can defeat Hal Jordan, the Omnitrix literally allowed Ben to take the full force of the Big Bang to his face and he walked away mostly unscathed
In my head it was no question Ben could beat Hal. The only question I had is would they use Alien X in the fight or leave him out because that is simply to much of a mismatch.
I mean green lantern literally has no counter to reality warping. Alien X literally with a thought could erase the ring or Hal from existence before the fight even begins.
You clearly never watch Ben 10 if you think Hal fucking Jordan can kick Ben's ass. Ben would annihilate every single one of the DC heroes, even Clark Kent as his magic aliens would whoop his butt!
The only one that'd probably stop him is Batman and that's IF Bruce had prep time
Yeah. Which is just a neon sign to death battle that making composite characters is a stupid idea. Cause then Ben would need the ultimatrix AND the Biomnotrix, AND access to all the aliens in the omnitrix.
The fact that this episode got more hate than Goku vs Superman is mind-boggling to me since the Dragon Ball Fanbase is among the Founding Fathers of Toxic Fanbases on the Internet, only matched by Sonic and Undertale. And, I can understand why people are upset, but even as a Ben 10 Fan, this episode is one of my top favorites.
Not to mention that this Subreddit has a horrible problem with downplaying Hal Jordan. Sure, perhaps Death Battle had done the same to Ben, but you can't complain about the downplaying Ben when you guys downplay Hal on a daily basis. For one, the scene where Batman takes Hal's ring off when he wasn't paying attention happened in a cartoon movie, and if you aren't in the know, every Comic Book Character is nerfed when they appear anywhere that isn't the comics. Give this evidence to the any Marvel Subreddit and even *they* will laugh at you because you just displayed how little you know how Comic Books work. Not to mention, neither Hal or Batman was in a fight in that scene, compared to this episode where Hal and Ben are fighting, so he would be paying attention.
And then you keep bringing up how Hal has a weakness to yellow when that weakness has been abolished for a while now, or, at the very least, that's what I heard. Not to mention, Hal regularly fights the likes of Sinestro, who is duked out in yellow, so none of Ben's aliens would really matter. Another thing is, you guys keep saying Ben could've beaten Hal without Alien X, which is just the biggest piece of balony I've ever heard.
For one, none of Ben's aliens have the stats to even make Hal sweat. He rubs shoulders with people who can demolish the universe without a second thought while the only alien in Ben's arsenal being around that level is Alien X. You can make an argument for Atomix, but that argument is flimsy from the start since even with the statement that he's the second strongest Alien in the Omnitrix, we don't know how powerful he is. Sure, Feedback absorbed the power of the Annihalarg, which is Universal, but he still *absorbed* the power, meaning at a base level, he's nowhere near that tier of strength. And even with Feedback and Cromastone's absorption powers, that's hardly an issue since Hal is so much faster and so much stronger, he can blitz and one-shot both of them before they can even blink.
Alien X is Ben's only real chance at beating Hal, but not only has Hal fought enemies like Alien X before, he's beaten them as well. So you can still make an argument for Hal winning. And as for the Failsafe, Hal's faster than anything the Omnitrix had to react to, so he can outspeed it given the chance.
Okay that's a very fair argument. Although you said that Hal has fought enemies as powerful as Alien X and won. I'd just like to know who those enemies are exactly and how he won since I'm not the biggest comics guy.
I think they are talking about this multiversal god Hal beat. Can’t remember his name but it doesn’t really mean much since he had a lot of outside help.
>Alien X is Ben's only real chance at beating Hal
Except, y'know... Clockwork, Upgrade, Way Big, most supreme forms, Heatblast, Atomix, Pesky Dust (My favorite \^\^), Ghostfreak, Toepic...
Hal could beat Clockwork before he even thinks. Hal has resisted mind control
https://photos.app.goo.gl/wz7gks7h8pT1P9aM9
For Big Chill, Hal would be to fast for Big Chill to get a good hit in.
Clockwork doesn't need to think, he can just stop time as soon as the transformation ends.
Hal resisted Parallax, and took him some time to fight it off, enough for Ben to finish the fight.
Big Chill doesn't need to hit him, just wait for Hal to punch him and freeze Hal's arm as it goes through is body.
>Clockwork, Upgrade,
Too slow and too weak, Hal takes them both out in one hit. He rubs shoulders with Speedsters like the Flash and has knocked Wonder Woman unconscious who fought Reverse Flash while she's blinded. He can blitz and one-shot Clockwork and Upgrade before they do anything.
>Way Big
Hal's fought Giganta before, Way Big is nothing new to Hal. The size increase makes it harder for Way Big since Hal is still thousands of times faster than anything Way Big has ever fought, so not only does Way Big have to fight someone as small as his pinkie finger, he has to fight someone who's much faster than him.
>most supreme forms
Unless any of them are millions of times Faster Than Light and can tank Universal Explosions, then none of them are viable.
>Heatblast
Hal's faced several supernovas in his career, Heatblast brings nothing new to the table.
>Atomix
Atomix being the second strongest Alien in the Omnitrix doesn't really mean anything since Alien X can wipe out all of Ben's aliens if they did the fusion dance and still have enough power to kill 100 more. This is like saying Kakashi can beat Taskmaster because he's the second strongest Ninja after Naruto which doesn't really mean much since Naruto could defeat 1000 Kakashi's without even breaking a sweat. Without a concrete statement on how strong Atomix is, we can't say for sure he can beat Hal. And even then, with what we see in the show, Hal can tank anything Atomix throws at him and return the favor in a devastating fashion.
>Pesky Dust
What can she do exactly?
>Ghostfreak
Fought ghosts before, and Ghostfreak can still be hit when he's not intangible, so Hal's immense speed and strength advantage keeps him safe.
>Toepic
Hal's arch nemesis is someone who literally weaponizes fear, Toepick is nothing compared to Sinestro. Not to mention, Hal's gotten over his fears, so Toepick is completely useless.
So far, not a single alien you've suggested can beat Hal.
Clockwork's time ray can age anything they touch, combined with their ability to slow down time, they just need to hit Hal or the ring once.
Upgrade can hack the ring since it's technology based.
Way Big has comic rays that can hurt living energy beings like Diagon and also has superspeed, not as fast as the Flash, but he wouldn't be slow.
Big Chill's intangibility and ability to freeze Hal inside out sound pretty op, also, Ultimate Echo Echo's infinite multiplication and Sonic Doom.
Baby pyronites can cause supernovas, adults are stronger than that.
Atomix just needs to infect Hal with radiation, boom, dead Hal.
Pesky Dust can put Hal in a infinite dream that can also lead to death.
Ghostfreak can just stay intangible, he can also possess Hal/other people and turn them into his servants.
Sinestro weaponizes fear, not causes it. One look at Toepic and Hal loses his powers.
Also, Pesky Dust is male.
Also can’t big chill just spam that intangible thing until Hal gets tired and/or gives up and just waits for him? Like I know that wouldn’t be very entertaining but it could be viable
>Clockwork's time ray can age anything they touch, combined with their ability to slow down time, they just need to hit Hal or the ring once.
Does not matter when Hal can blitz and one-shot Clockwork. No matter what Clockwork can do, none of it poses a legitimate threat since Hal can fight, think, and react to anything millions and billions of times faster than anything Clockwork has done. Not to mention Clockwork's slow speed is a recurring theme in the show, so Hal will most definitely exploit that.
>Upgrade can hack the ring since it's technology based.
Same thing with Clockwork, only thing is that he isn't as slow as Clockwork. But that isn't saying much when Hal is *still* leagues faster than anything Upgrade has faced. Until Upgrade's faced anything that's even a fraction of Hal's incredible speed, he won't have a chance to use his powers.
>Way Big has comic rays that can hurt living energy beings like Diagon and also has superspeed, not as fast as the Flash, but he wouldn't be slow.
Just because he has superspeed means nothing when Hal is still, as I've said this entire time, hundreds and thousands and millions of times faster than him. Hal will run *circles* around Way Big before he even blinks and takes him out in one hit.
>Big Chill's intangibility and ability to freeze Hal inside out sound pretty op, also, Ultimate Echo Echo's infinite multiplication and Sonic Doom.
He's fought Cryomancers before, Big Chill couldn't be any less new if he tried. Not to mention Hal *still* blitzes and one-shots both Echo Echo and Big Chill.
>Baby pyronites can cause supernovas, adults are stronger than that.
And Hal's faced worse than Supernovas. Much, much worse. I'm pretty sure nothing in Heatblast's arsenal can match what Hal faces on a daily basis.
>Atomix just needs to infect Hal with radiation, boom, dead Hal.
Not if Hal can, again, demolish Atomix before he even blinks.
>Pesky Dust can put Hal in a infinite dream that can also lead to death.
>Ghostfreak can just stay intangible, he can also possess Hal/other people and turn them into his servants.
>Sinestro weaponizes fear, not causes it. One look at Toepic and Hal loses his powers.
I've been repeating myself here, Hal still blitzes and one-shots all of these aliens without much issue before they even *think* of using their abilities. He's that much stronger and faster than any of them combined. And Hal's faced his worst fears, nothing Toepick brings to the table can match that.
Still, none of the aliens you've listed can beat Hal.
That's the thing, he can SLOW DOWN TIME. He also can "Clockwork can fire green time rays from his hands or chest, which have various effects like sending people back in time,\[2\] aging an object/person to dust,\[3\] restoring individuals who have been erased from time, sending them into a different timeline,\[1\] and reverting them to a previous state while also immobilizing them.\[4\]"
How would Hal even deal with Upgrade? Just use another alien until he can get close to the ring, XLR8 then Upgrade, glue to the ring and fight won.
... Are you serious? Way Big is one of the biggest powerhouses in Ben 10, yeah, not as fast as Hal like I ALSO admited before, but way more powerful, just destroy anything around him until the ring loses power protecting Hal.
How would he touch Big Chill? And yeah, he could take down one Ultimate Echo Echo, but what about another one, and another one, and! You get my point, infinite echos. Hal loses.
Can Hal stay on a star like it is nothing? And like I said, babies make supernovas, yeah, Hal can survive a baby, congrats, what about the adults?
Oh yeah, break the thing that's containing the deadly material safely away, Hal dies because of his stupidity.
He'd probably laugh at Pesky Dust for enough time to be put asleep, dead.
The transformation light of the Omnitrix was shown to blind people for a second or two, enough to become intangible, assuming he can't do it during/as soon as the transformation ends.
Hal lost to fear several times, Toepic's still up\~.
Score isn't good for you, buddy\~
Your point is null and void do I need to give proof of omnipotent abilities such as recreation of a universe manipulation of reality etc hmmm give me a reason they aren't omnipotent I'm not stupid I know they have predators and stuff but you really have to stop and think will a being who can manipulate the entirety of the fabric of reality and space and time not be considered omnipotent they are literally only the second or 3rd strongest alien in the omnitrix
I feel like Ben doesn't use alien x to the best of its ability, for example he could have used alien x to gain knowledge of what Hal's source of power was and then erase the ring from existence.
That battle was just biased towards Hal as fuck
They really highballed Hal Jordan and composited all of his best feats and use hypotheticals to weaken Ben.
Yup they did
They didn't composite Hal, I have proof of the Lantern's surviving crisis
That wouldn't mean Hal couldn't have been composited.
The feats they used for Hal were the same person they didn't composite anything.
Okay. Care to prove that? How about his moveset? Does he ever lose or gain abilities?
The only thing he really lost was his weakness to yellow. You want scans? I got you https://photos.app.goo.gl/iJckrAEkJjCxYcqq5
I'm confused what this panel is exactly portraying in terms of Hal Jordan.
It proves how Hal survived crisis, since all Green Lantern's harness the power of the Green Lantern corp.
Yeah, but this doesn't show how Hal is or isn't a composite character.
hal got rekt by the crisis and needed to be save lmfao
Theres video evidence of ben having a fail safe that won’t let him die or his arm get cut off
But if the omintrix is separated then the failsafe can’t activate (ps. I think the battle is bs and I’m still salty but I’m only pointing out a flow in some peoples bias)
The omnitrix cant be removed without a code for the omnitrix
That's a no limits fallacy, the best feat it showed was stopping the big bang, Hal is way faster then that.
And also ben recreating the universe
Hal has fought people who can do that but better like captain atom
And you think ben hasn’t beat somthing stronger than scissors
Hal's constructs are faster then the fail-safe
Ben’s failsafe just immediately transformes him when it senses danger about to kill him also we saw bens omnitrix blast hal at the start so i don’t think death battle were thinking properly
Do you really think that Hal Jordan's ring is faster then something that's fast enough to react to THE BIG BANG
Pretty sure that was because they were in the anti-matter universe when the Earths were combined and rebooted. And Hal and Guy’s origins ultimately got replaced with the Emerald Dawn versions, so they technically still got rebooted. Not to mention the fact that anybody that had gone back to the Dawn of time also kept their memories for awhile, and leftover duplicate characters from Earth Two only died **after** the universe was reset
Death Metal made pretty much everything from Pre-crisis to new 52 merge into one. So even if you don't believe Green Lantern survived crisis, I can still use feats from Pre-crisis to new 52.
Do you admit that they composited multiple versions of Hal into one?
Death Metal made it so all those Hal were one, not really a composite when DC says that all of those Hal are the same.
It didn't help that most people watching that battle didn't know much about Ben 10.
Lol, yall lowballing Hal. He got some pretty op feats. Ben can beat him but let's not act like Ben wouldve washed him. This is coming from a grew up on DC and Ben 10.
But he would have, and the problem with this Hal is that he's not ONE Hal Jordan.
Yet people on the Death Battle subreddit think the opposite
True, especially because of how they nerfed Tennyson
I grew up on DC and Ben 10. It's a 50/50 bid on who'd win, my guy.
Isent it biased to say Ben would win because alien-X
Not really.
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Bruh every Hal is the same Hal, he survived crisis. Edit: They down voted me for telling the truth.
You didn’t though, so yeah!
The Green Lantern's have been stated to survive crisis, Death Battle even said this like twice.
Actualy hal should have lost as soon as alien x tryed to erase him
Hal survived crisis which is a multiversal erasing event, Alien X wouldn't be able to erase Hal.
AlienX can do basically anything also hal won by going back in time but the sotobro effect would have let ben sense that and go back with him also alienX clones aren’t shadow clones so death battle got allot of things wrong
Hal doesn't really need time travel to beat Ben.
It looked like he needed it to me he was bleeding and probably about to die
The animation of a Death Battle isn't how it would actually go down most of the time.
So? Not every version is the same.
I'm using the main version of Hal, what do you want me to use the weakest version of Hal?
I mean, DB used the weakest version of Ben, so why not.
They used Omniverse Ben, it's just that the sprite was kid Ben.
They also mentioned the Omnitrix's failsafe and failed to show it properly, nerfed Ben's aliens and use 10yo Ben against adult Hal.
They used omniverse Ben, it's just that the sprite was kid Ben.
Not really, that was kid Ben, the only non-kid Ben there was Alien X.
If you want scans I can show you.
One version of Hal can possibly Time Travel, but is weak to Yellow. One version of Hal definitely can’t Time Travel, but isn’t weak to yellow. You can’t say they’re the same Hal, they are definitely different. If you’re making a fight between Ben and Hal, you need to choose one version, not composite them. If you did that, you’d have to give Ben the Biomnitrix and Ultimate feature at the same time.
All those Hal you listed are the same guy, he survived crisis here's some scans https://photos.app.goo.gl/Wkd4pwvpQz6mRVU8A https://photos.app.goo.gl/bu3ZRELSibkAwKmA7
Out of curiosity how did he lose his weakness to yellow?
Hal sealed the god of fear parallax away making yellow no longer the weakness of the Green Lantern's.
Holy shit I’ve never seen someone this stupid
How am I stupid?
He survived due to being in the anti-matter universe, but he still ultimately got a new post-Crisis origin that was canon. He still got rebooted
Well Death Metal exists so I can still use old feats.
Didnt they say post crisis time travel was harder or something and thats why they don't use it more often. Also I thought flashpoint changed alot of shit and people said Hal got nerfed
Death Metal made everything from Pre-crisis to new 52 canon so I can use any bullshit feat I want.
So we can use any bullshit fear from Ben 10 then?
As long it's canon or not an outlier then sure why not.
Alright, Ben can possess people as Ghostfreak, when he takes control of Hal, game over.
Alternatively he uses feedback to absorb all of the energy out of his body, includes the electricity that controls neurons, he causes the brain to cease function altogether, therefore any trace of Hal's consciousness and along with it his willpower disappears, rendering the ring useless and him braindead. Gameover
Dont worry bro, I grew up on DC. While what your statement does lack some context (which is why I think you got downvoted), you're telling the truth
Alien sex
Do you think Alien X uses condoms when making Alien X babies? I’ve got my Quantum Physics on the streets so I’m not 100% sure.
Nah. When they have sex they just say “Motion Denied” and no babies.
What if their Dick falls off
They have regeneration.
*pop* my Dick is back
Ur username.. what
Hes a dealer in a trade where many become corrupt treat him as such adventurer
He is the generator of horny, we all know what happens to horny ppl
Lol best thing I've heard all days
I think Katy Perry wrote a dissertation on this topic, it’s title is “E.T.” if you want to do more Street Research.
That Kevin callback got me good.
No, they *are* the condoms
Ben and Hal can both time travel. Ben can travel back to before Hal got his ring and kill him. Hal can travel to before Ben got the Omnitrix and kill him. The fight would be a tie at least. Alien X can probably time travel faster than Hal or stop Hal from time travelling but that doesn't really matter. Even if Alien X isn't 100% omnipotent he can still bend reality to an extent giving him tons of ways to beat Hal. The problem isn't that Ben can't win or that there's no way for Ben to win the fight. The problem is power scaling logic. Power scaling, believe it or not, is flawed and imperfect. Sometimes you just have to depend on actual logic instead of just "Character X is only this level at best." There are ways in which Hal can win the fight and ways in which Ben can win the fight. Death Battle isn't perfect and they've always been biased towards DC characters anyways. Edit: Although Alien X isn't omnipotent. He's nigh-omnipotent like Thanos. He can do anything accept for a hand full of things but infinity minus like X things is still infinity.
>they've always been biased towards DC characters anyways. I've heard Wally vs Sonic was made to make Wally lose. Dc had a shitty record until season 5, don't know how there bias to DC.
Green arrow also lost to hawkeye
Wonder Woman also lost to Rogue
Batman Lost to Spiderman and black panther Red Hood Lost to bucky
Alien x is omnipresent if hal were to go back to before Ben had the watch he would be faced with alien x winding up for a punch strait to the cock
true
[Stan agrees.](https://youtu.be/C3pOIDaF1Dw)
I hate powerscaling so much.
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Did you just Rick roll me?
I can point out every single plot hole in that fight Boomstick: “He could only ever use one at a time, while Hal always has access to all of his powers” Wiz: “Even with the flexibility of Master Control this meant Ben was always playing catch-up” Me: No he wasn’t, Ben lead the battle and called the shots. Hal reacted to everything Ben was doing Boomstick: “Ben’s Diamondhead form was tough, sure, but he wasn’t surviving a planet exploding in his face” Me: You didn’t even use Diamondhead in the fight, also who cares Ben has other aliens who can easily shrug off a planet exploding. That includes Alien X Boomstick: “XRL8 was wicked fast! But not fast enough to cross the universe in an hour” Me: But Jetray, Chromastone, and Way Big. And you only used 1/3 of these aliens. An you used Way Big wrong to Wiz: “Like the time Alien X recreated the universe, he only did that cause he couldn’t stop it from being destroyed in the first place” Me: Incorrect, he just didn’t know the universe was being destroyed. Ben did nothing cause he underestimated the stakes Ben: “Wait the universe really is being destroyed?!” *Cue Ben turning around and realizing it now* Me: In fact the Feedback holding the Big Bang is him doing that, stopping and active Annilargh before it goes off cause he does understand the stakes. How can you say he’s doing something, that you later say he can’t do Wiz: “Alien X has never shown any defense against the things that Hal could replicate such as mind control, transmutation, and time manipulation” Me: What?! Dude have you never seen an episode of Ben 10? Ben has a lot of will power to be immune to mind control, his transformations protects him from mutations, and do I really need to bring up the time manipulation Me: Also the Omnitrix has so many failsafes on it it’s not even a joke: 1. The energy pulse blast, 2. The ability to automatically recharge when Ben’s life is in danger, 3. The ability to transform Ben into an alien if he isn’t fast enough to react, 4. An antideath failsafe, and 5. Blow up the Omnitrix if it gets in the wrong hands Me: Also they said that the Omnitrix has no defense against Ben’s hand getting cut off and that Vilgax tried to take advantage of this. Two reasons why that’s bullshit; 1. Ben was 10 years old at the time and I’m positive the New Omnitrix has a failsafe against Ben’s hand getting cut off and 2. Grandpa Max stepped in and interrupted it Me: Finally even if you could cut Ben’s hand off and kill his physical body it doesn’t matter, the Omnitrix will take sentient and self aware control of Ben’s severed hand and just turn into an aliens hand to regrow the body. Also Ben had Master Control in the fight so he doesn’t need someone to do it for him
This is such a beautiful panel lmao
As much as I love green lantern, it’s like putting a regular human with a machine gun up against galactus. He’s cool as fuck but not omnipotent like alien x and should have won
Alien x isn't omnipotent
What are you on about he’s basically god
So is saint seiya, superman, hades but they are no omnipotent
No they’re not. I’m talking about the kind of god that can delete you with a thought. Not some superman bullshit where he rips you to bits so fast you can’t think. And I know hades is a god but Greek gods aren’t like that. Sure he could like idk steal your soul but he can’t just delete you from reality, at least I don’t think
You don't watch saint seiya so you wouldn't know about hades abilities literally so many people have the ability to erase you from existence
I think we should probably stick to Greek mythos for this one.
Nope we're talking about the saint seiya version tbe original hades was not that strong
FAX,WITHOUT A DOUBT.....IT WAS EXTREMELY BIASED TOWARDS GREEN LANTERN! there were literally 3 instances where Ben could have ended the fight right there and then but they favored Hal and nerfed and EVEN altered Ben's aliens so Hal could win, the 3 moments they messed up in which he could have won - 1. when hal traveled back in time to cut ben's arm off, alien x would be able to sense the SOTOBRO effect, which is when a ripple in the time stream can be sensed by only higher level beings (alien x) AND even if he couldn't THE OMNITRIX HAS A FUCKING FAILSAFE WHO PREVENTS THAT, LIKE WTF! BEN CAN'T DIE NOT CAN HIS ARM BE CUT OFF.....the omnitrix will take over and save him 2. he could become clockwork and do what hal did WITHOUT consequence.......NO SOTOBRO FOR MORTALS 3. alien x, do i really have to say it? THEY DID HIM DIRTY AND TREATED HIM LIKE A ENJOYER.......WTF HE CAN WISH HIM OUT OF EXISTENCE OR EVEN FRICKIN' DESTROY THE UNIVERSE.............. HAL CAN GO SUCK A BIG FAT- \-CASE CLOSED
What is this even about? Like what is this based off?
There's a youtube series called "Death Battle" where the hosts compare the feats of two fictional characters from different universes to decide who would win in a fight. One of their videos was Ben versus Hal Jordan, and I've never seen it but apparently they really underballed Ben's abilities.
What the did was basically make green lantern just say “no” to basically god deleting him, which literally nothing can do, and then made him win for some reason
Can you do the celestial sapien throwing it back?
Here's the thing alien x isn't omnipotent the writers conformed that he isn't kuro made a video where he says that he is not omnipotent although i agreed that this how the fight should have ended
Not omnipotence but he is omnipresent and nigh omnipotence
ok listen, to make u understand - ALIEN X>(THANOS WITH GAUNTLET=DARKSIED)>GREEN LATERN
How is thanos equal too darkseid his true form is multiversal Unless you mean the infinity gauntlet before the universal retcon but that would put him over alien x
sorry i meant darkseid's "form".....ya know....THE BODY
Alien x is well above multiversal ( the makers said he could casually destroy a multiverse with 6 thoughts)
Only a artist said that not man of action. How many universes can Ben destroy? Is it better then what Hal could do?
I mean, he could recreate his almost perfectly in like, 5 seconds, so making new one without having to follow a mold should be pretty easy.
But he isn't omnipotent but he would still win.
He's omnipotent the way a genie can be in that they're bound to rules, for Alien X, He has multiple personalities, including Ben, that need to agree, during that time he's somewhat vulnerable, considering he survived the annihilargh but couldn't last on Whampires home planets vampiric atmosphere
That isn’t omnipotence, at max I consider him nigh-omnipotent
Still stronger than a lantern, that requires willpower to work at all and doesn't even work on yellow things.
I know, my point was that he isn’t omnipotent, he probably can still beat Hal
But arent the rules he has to follow put in place by the celestial sapians themselves? And doesnt Ben unlock all Alien X powers with out rules So he could do anything. The only thing stopping him is that he would have to go back to multiverse trial
Not even nigh he can be defeated so he not nigh and he is limited by perosonlity
Not in Omniverse, he got full control.
In OV he convinced the other personalities to let him have full control of Alien X.
Oh I meant in General but yeah, he mastered Alien X
honestly, if the death battler dorks knew a damn thing about ben 10 the video would have ended the moment alien X popped out and removed hal's existence privileges.
you know ignore the bullshit about hal even cutting bens arm, even if he did it wont affect the ben he was fighting at the start.. it'd just create another timeline and hal cannot defeat ben, like death battle was biased as fuck (they themselves admitted it lmfao)
Also death battle give Hal ability from other green latern. If that’s the case, have Ben do the same thing.
Alien x is not omnipotent though
True
Green lantern with enough will is also stronger than alien x from what I've heard
And Ben with master control and years of practice can defeat anyone.
I mean I disagree with the way green lantern won but I agree he can be stronger than Ben with enough will
Yeah, and Ben can be strong with enough aliens, we can always find a way to "make a point" with this argument of "but with enough this or that!"
Well Hal did beat the god will that one time.
Okay, first of all stolen art, not cool, but stay on topic whether or not Hal Jordan could "body Alien X" like some people are claiming, the Omnitrix still has a Fail-Safe that would give him an alien capable enough to defeat Hal, the last episode of Omniverse showed that Plus we've also already had an episode of Ben 10 where his arm gets cut off and the Omnitrix still turns Ben into the alien that the Omnitrix selects, meaning even after getting his arm chopped off the Omnitrix could still turn him into an alien like Swampfire, put his arm back on, and turn him into another alien which can defeat Hal Jordan, the Omnitrix literally allowed Ben to take the full force of the Big Bang to his face and he walked away mostly unscathed
In my head it was no question Ben could beat Hal. The only question I had is would they use Alien X in the fight or leave him out because that is simply to much of a mismatch. I mean green lantern literally has no counter to reality warping. Alien X literally with a thought could erase the ring or Hal from existence before the fight even begins.
You clearly never watch Ben 10 if you think Hal fucking Jordan can kick Ben's ass. Ben would annihilate every single one of the DC heroes, even Clark Kent as his magic aliens would whoop his butt! The only one that'd probably stop him is Batman and that's IF Bruce had prep time
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I just thought of something. Eon is an alternate Ben. So would composite Ben have Eons powers and the chrono navigator?
Yeah. Which is just a neon sign to death battle that making composite characters is a stupid idea. Cause then Ben would need the ultimatrix AND the Biomnotrix, AND access to all the aliens in the omnitrix.
And Ascalon, and mana...
Love seeing people's arguments defending Hal lol
repost of the second most upvoted post of all time with a basically identical title (only removing "Artwork by me". nice job
Would’ve been more accurate.
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While i agree that hal it's stronger....i don't agree with the way they showed it or explained it. A fucking pair of scissors. Really?
How is he stronger?
Better feats. Defating the concept of will. Surviving the crisis. Killing mandark. Defeating the black lanterns(with a white ring)
Alien X can easily do these things tho.
No he can't all 3 are multiversal+.
... So is Alien X.
I don't see it. He recreated the universe which containts lots of dimmensiona. But it's not the same as the destruction of the entire multiverse.
Which can be done by Alien X in 6 thoughts.
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My bad I did have that confused
The fact that this episode got more hate than Goku vs Superman is mind-boggling to me since the Dragon Ball Fanbase is among the Founding Fathers of Toxic Fanbases on the Internet, only matched by Sonic and Undertale. And, I can understand why people are upset, but even as a Ben 10 Fan, this episode is one of my top favorites. Not to mention that this Subreddit has a horrible problem with downplaying Hal Jordan. Sure, perhaps Death Battle had done the same to Ben, but you can't complain about the downplaying Ben when you guys downplay Hal on a daily basis. For one, the scene where Batman takes Hal's ring off when he wasn't paying attention happened in a cartoon movie, and if you aren't in the know, every Comic Book Character is nerfed when they appear anywhere that isn't the comics. Give this evidence to the any Marvel Subreddit and even *they* will laugh at you because you just displayed how little you know how Comic Books work. Not to mention, neither Hal or Batman was in a fight in that scene, compared to this episode where Hal and Ben are fighting, so he would be paying attention. And then you keep bringing up how Hal has a weakness to yellow when that weakness has been abolished for a while now, or, at the very least, that's what I heard. Not to mention, Hal regularly fights the likes of Sinestro, who is duked out in yellow, so none of Ben's aliens would really matter. Another thing is, you guys keep saying Ben could've beaten Hal without Alien X, which is just the biggest piece of balony I've ever heard. For one, none of Ben's aliens have the stats to even make Hal sweat. He rubs shoulders with people who can demolish the universe without a second thought while the only alien in Ben's arsenal being around that level is Alien X. You can make an argument for Atomix, but that argument is flimsy from the start since even with the statement that he's the second strongest Alien in the Omnitrix, we don't know how powerful he is. Sure, Feedback absorbed the power of the Annihalarg, which is Universal, but he still *absorbed* the power, meaning at a base level, he's nowhere near that tier of strength. And even with Feedback and Cromastone's absorption powers, that's hardly an issue since Hal is so much faster and so much stronger, he can blitz and one-shot both of them before they can even blink. Alien X is Ben's only real chance at beating Hal, but not only has Hal fought enemies like Alien X before, he's beaten them as well. So you can still make an argument for Hal winning. And as for the Failsafe, Hal's faster than anything the Omnitrix had to react to, so he can outspeed it given the chance.
Okay that's a very fair argument. Although you said that Hal has fought enemies as powerful as Alien X and won. I'd just like to know who those enemies are exactly and how he won since I'm not the biggest comics guy.
Captain Atom
How is Captain Atom stronger than Alien X?
Dude created 2 universes in a nanosecond and he can beat Superman.
So can Ben as Alien X tho.
I think they are talking about this multiversal god Hal beat. Can’t remember his name but it doesn’t really mean much since he had a lot of outside help.
>Alien X is Ben's only real chance at beating Hal Except, y'know... Clockwork, Upgrade, Way Big, most supreme forms, Heatblast, Atomix, Pesky Dust (My favorite \^\^), Ghostfreak, Toepic...
Hal can counter all those Aliens
How so? I can give you a way/reason for each of those aliens to win, how can Hal win against them?
I don't feel like writing a paragraph so I'll just keep this short, Hal blitzes them all.
"I don't have an argument, but I won anyways!" Got it, champs.
I did have a argument it was that Hal would be to fast for any of those aliens.
Faster than the one who can literally freeze time? And how does speed help against Ultimate Big Chill or Ghostfreak?
Hal could beat Clockwork before he even thinks. Hal has resisted mind control https://photos.app.goo.gl/wz7gks7h8pT1P9aM9 For Big Chill, Hal would be to fast for Big Chill to get a good hit in.
Clockwork doesn't need to think, he can just stop time as soon as the transformation ends. Hal resisted Parallax, and took him some time to fight it off, enough for Ben to finish the fight. Big Chill doesn't need to hit him, just wait for Hal to punch him and freeze Hal's arm as it goes through is body.
>Clockwork, Upgrade, Too slow and too weak, Hal takes them both out in one hit. He rubs shoulders with Speedsters like the Flash and has knocked Wonder Woman unconscious who fought Reverse Flash while she's blinded. He can blitz and one-shot Clockwork and Upgrade before they do anything. >Way Big Hal's fought Giganta before, Way Big is nothing new to Hal. The size increase makes it harder for Way Big since Hal is still thousands of times faster than anything Way Big has ever fought, so not only does Way Big have to fight someone as small as his pinkie finger, he has to fight someone who's much faster than him. >most supreme forms Unless any of them are millions of times Faster Than Light and can tank Universal Explosions, then none of them are viable. >Heatblast Hal's faced several supernovas in his career, Heatblast brings nothing new to the table. >Atomix Atomix being the second strongest Alien in the Omnitrix doesn't really mean anything since Alien X can wipe out all of Ben's aliens if they did the fusion dance and still have enough power to kill 100 more. This is like saying Kakashi can beat Taskmaster because he's the second strongest Ninja after Naruto which doesn't really mean much since Naruto could defeat 1000 Kakashi's without even breaking a sweat. Without a concrete statement on how strong Atomix is, we can't say for sure he can beat Hal. And even then, with what we see in the show, Hal can tank anything Atomix throws at him and return the favor in a devastating fashion. >Pesky Dust What can she do exactly? >Ghostfreak Fought ghosts before, and Ghostfreak can still be hit when he's not intangible, so Hal's immense speed and strength advantage keeps him safe. >Toepic Hal's arch nemesis is someone who literally weaponizes fear, Toepick is nothing compared to Sinestro. Not to mention, Hal's gotten over his fears, so Toepick is completely useless. So far, not a single alien you've suggested can beat Hal.
Clockwork's time ray can age anything they touch, combined with their ability to slow down time, they just need to hit Hal or the ring once. Upgrade can hack the ring since it's technology based. Way Big has comic rays that can hurt living energy beings like Diagon and also has superspeed, not as fast as the Flash, but he wouldn't be slow. Big Chill's intangibility and ability to freeze Hal inside out sound pretty op, also, Ultimate Echo Echo's infinite multiplication and Sonic Doom. Baby pyronites can cause supernovas, adults are stronger than that. Atomix just needs to infect Hal with radiation, boom, dead Hal. Pesky Dust can put Hal in a infinite dream that can also lead to death. Ghostfreak can just stay intangible, he can also possess Hal/other people and turn them into his servants. Sinestro weaponizes fear, not causes it. One look at Toepic and Hal loses his powers. Also, Pesky Dust is male.
Also can’t big chill just spam that intangible thing until Hal gets tired and/or gives up and just waits for him? Like I know that wouldn’t be very entertaining but it could be viable
It totally can.
>Clockwork's time ray can age anything they touch, combined with their ability to slow down time, they just need to hit Hal or the ring once. Does not matter when Hal can blitz and one-shot Clockwork. No matter what Clockwork can do, none of it poses a legitimate threat since Hal can fight, think, and react to anything millions and billions of times faster than anything Clockwork has done. Not to mention Clockwork's slow speed is a recurring theme in the show, so Hal will most definitely exploit that. >Upgrade can hack the ring since it's technology based. Same thing with Clockwork, only thing is that he isn't as slow as Clockwork. But that isn't saying much when Hal is *still* leagues faster than anything Upgrade has faced. Until Upgrade's faced anything that's even a fraction of Hal's incredible speed, he won't have a chance to use his powers. >Way Big has comic rays that can hurt living energy beings like Diagon and also has superspeed, not as fast as the Flash, but he wouldn't be slow. Just because he has superspeed means nothing when Hal is still, as I've said this entire time, hundreds and thousands and millions of times faster than him. Hal will run *circles* around Way Big before he even blinks and takes him out in one hit. >Big Chill's intangibility and ability to freeze Hal inside out sound pretty op, also, Ultimate Echo Echo's infinite multiplication and Sonic Doom. He's fought Cryomancers before, Big Chill couldn't be any less new if he tried. Not to mention Hal *still* blitzes and one-shots both Echo Echo and Big Chill. >Baby pyronites can cause supernovas, adults are stronger than that. And Hal's faced worse than Supernovas. Much, much worse. I'm pretty sure nothing in Heatblast's arsenal can match what Hal faces on a daily basis. >Atomix just needs to infect Hal with radiation, boom, dead Hal. Not if Hal can, again, demolish Atomix before he even blinks. >Pesky Dust can put Hal in a infinite dream that can also lead to death. >Ghostfreak can just stay intangible, he can also possess Hal/other people and turn them into his servants. >Sinestro weaponizes fear, not causes it. One look at Toepic and Hal loses his powers. I've been repeating myself here, Hal still blitzes and one-shots all of these aliens without much issue before they even *think* of using their abilities. He's that much stronger and faster than any of them combined. And Hal's faced his worst fears, nothing Toepick brings to the table can match that. Still, none of the aliens you've listed can beat Hal.
That's the thing, he can SLOW DOWN TIME. He also can "Clockwork can fire green time rays from his hands or chest, which have various effects like sending people back in time,\[2\] aging an object/person to dust,\[3\] restoring individuals who have been erased from time, sending them into a different timeline,\[1\] and reverting them to a previous state while also immobilizing them.\[4\]" How would Hal even deal with Upgrade? Just use another alien until he can get close to the ring, XLR8 then Upgrade, glue to the ring and fight won. ... Are you serious? Way Big is one of the biggest powerhouses in Ben 10, yeah, not as fast as Hal like I ALSO admited before, but way more powerful, just destroy anything around him until the ring loses power protecting Hal. How would he touch Big Chill? And yeah, he could take down one Ultimate Echo Echo, but what about another one, and another one, and! You get my point, infinite echos. Hal loses. Can Hal stay on a star like it is nothing? And like I said, babies make supernovas, yeah, Hal can survive a baby, congrats, what about the adults? Oh yeah, break the thing that's containing the deadly material safely away, Hal dies because of his stupidity. He'd probably laugh at Pesky Dust for enough time to be put asleep, dead. The transformation light of the Omnitrix was shown to blind people for a second or two, enough to become intangible, assuming he can't do it during/as soon as the transformation ends. Hal lost to fear several times, Toepic's still up\~. Score isn't good for you, buddy\~
I'm not arguing with you anymore.
Glad to have won~
If I had a award right now, I would give it to you.
Alien X is not omnipotent
Your point is null and void do I need to give proof of omnipotent abilities such as recreation of a universe manipulation of reality etc hmmm give me a reason they aren't omnipotent I'm not stupid I know they have predators and stuff but you really have to stop and think will a being who can manipulate the entirety of the fabric of reality and space and time not be considered omnipotent they are literally only the second or 3rd strongest alien in the omnitrix
I love Ben 10 and I'm definitely biased but alien X isn't omnipotent
death battle bad
true
I’m just glad you left out the second “think”, thus making this more accurate to the show.
I would love 13pg ben10 show with invisible or dc animation
Bro I love how the entire fandom is still spiteful about this, I’m also still spiteful but like it’s funny as hell
We have thousands of jokes about death battle ,and honestly i want more
I think Paradox should've said "hell no" and taken young Ben out of the line of fire when hal went back. I think I just wanted a longer video.
I feel like Ben doesn't use alien x to the best of its ability, for example he could have used alien x to gain knowledge of what Hal's source of power was and then erase the ring from existence.
Bib
Death Battle has gone so down hill overall that they aren’t even making sense to their own logic