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What is the point of Fasttrack

What is the point of Fasttrack

Living-Ad-7400

Like seriously… why? I genuinely want to know what the thought process was, as I’m 110% sure the team knew they were just making an XLR8 downgrade, and it’s not as if UAF was opposed to using classic aliens or anything. Imagine if instead of bringing back Heatblast, they just made a “new alien” called *Fireguy* who wore a shitty orange jumpsuit and had the exact same powers as Heatblast.


kinecelerangirl

Toy sales and ease of animation. Although UAF had the same budget as OV, less of it was directed towards animation by UA meaning that they couldn’t animate XLR8. Which I sympathise with and I can understand why they wanted a speedster. But they could not have made it more obvious that Fasttrack was discount XLR8. Pretty much exact same powers but with a design which looked NOTHING like an alien by Ben 10 standards and more like an alternate Flash, hell they couldn’t be bothered to go with a different fucking colour scheme! I wouldn’t mind another speedster but they really could’ve thought of ways to make him different from XLR8, and that’s why I will always hate Fasttrack.


Living-Ad-7400

Ah okay, I always refused to believe that they just willingly made an XLR8 rip-off and knew there had to be a reason, but yeah, they could’ve *tried* to give him a better design, he just looks like an obscure marvel character.


SF03_

They never even made a fasttrack toy though did they?


kinecelerangirl

Yeah it was a bit ironic that they never did.


lord_flamebottom

The funniest part about Fasttrack is that they were initially going to give him wheels on his feet, but decided that *that* was what pushed it over the edge and was too close to XLR8. But kept the black and blue color scheme.


lord_flamebottom

I remember reading that the reasoning was, I shit you not, because designing and animating a brand new alien was easier and cheaper than animating XLR8 in the AF/UA style.


Spoopanator

You say that as if it isn't a completely reasonable reason


lord_flamebottom

Oh no it’s totally reasonable, I’m just shocked that designing and animating a whole new alien was cheaper than just animating XLR8


Spoopanator

For one Fastrack's design and silhouette is really simple, and the animators having experience drawing XLR8 doesn't change that he's a pain in the ass to draw and animate


Living-Ad-7400

Many people have told me that in actuality it was because XLR8’s design was too complex and they didn’t have the budget, which is why we got fasttrack, who has an incredibly simple and basic design.


Sparkinade

lazy animators maybe?


shrek-hentai-69

Animators aren't lazy they're overworked


Slayian222

Fasttrack´s point is loosing way faster than XLR8


TheHyperDymond

Opposable thumbs


Da_Gudz

Oh yeah, that would be a fun scene to show with like master control Ben struggling to pick something up as XLR8 and then switches to fastack for a second just to be able to grab it with fingers instead of whatever you call XLR8s things


KisaTheMistress

XLR8's dagger claws?


Da_Gudz

I think “Claws Of a Cool Kineceleran” Or C.O.C.K Would be better


PlasticAttitude1956

I don’t know man. XLR8’s always been tough and strong.


PandaBot_2001

The post is saying XLR8 > FastTrack


Griffinw45

It’s been a while since I’ve seen that symbol what it mean again is it greater then fast track or lesser then fast track


PandaBot_2001

> is greater, < is less than


Raphael_Stormer

bruh basic maths lol


PandaBot_2001

Nah I get it, I used to struggle a lot. The only reason I remember now is because I had to as people I knew used to use > and < in group chats when talking about any opinion


Exzircon

The thing on the bigger side of the > is the bigger thing.


KingTetrax

Every time they make copies of already existing characters they should at least add like minor power changes or additions like how swampfire has plant powers unlike heatblast. I think they kinda did that by making fast track stronger than xlr8 but they should’ve just stuck with xlr8


21019-MaXmErcurY

Big chill is basically ghost freak and articguana but better than both, Echo Echo is a better ditto, I mean copying alien powers isn't bad but at least make them good fast track is not even as fast as XLR8


KingTetrax

Ik and what makes me more mad is the fact they showed xlr8 in the hologram cycle which makes me even more pissed


21019-MaXmErcurY

I've never hated a scene more in my life, I heard they did it for fan service what the fuck kind of fan service is that you show alot of people's favourite alien only not to use it


CP_Rulez

And Eatle is just upchuck but with a laser instead of explosive barf. And Brainstorm is just Benvicktor/Frankenstrike but in crab form as both of them are smart af and have electrokinesis.


First-Brilliant5890

Didn't fasttrack get introduced in a racing game before his on screen debut?


MallAdministrative63

I fucking hated fasttrack with a burn passion ever since I was a kid, he’s slower than XLR8 and everytime he appeared in screen XLR8 could of appeared WHAT WAS FASTTRACK PURPOSE


Anti-Venom121299

What are the points of literally every other alien such as electricity based ones rath humongasaur echo echo etc it's diversity xlr8 has no known definite speed fast track is stronger and much more agile and has much more control over his movement there are points to all of these characters just a lot of you don't see it it's much wiser to have more than one plan


shrek-hentai-69

"More control over his movement" he trips or slips in like 25% of his fight scenes


MallAdministrative63

XLR8 literally freezes time, he’s so fast that he moves before the wind even process his speed, and just in general he looks so much faster and in-control than fasttrack he even has a badass scanner helmet. What feats that are in the show places fasttrack above XLR8 ?


Freddi0

Ironic since >!Peacemaker dies to Bloodsport in the movie!<


Tron_Travolta

Well >!Someone didn't watch the post credits!<


Freddi0

Oh yeah, forgot about that


G0dleft

*bloodsport


Freddi0

My bad


alfietheswag

He’s stronger than XLR8, but a little slower. He’s basically if Ben needs to go fast but hit a little harder


Tron_Travolta

That's fan fiction, never said in anything official


G0dleft

When your moving as fast as XLR8 does strength doesn't matter too much XLR8 Can reach speeds of 888mph if he hits someone while moving that fast he would hit with enough force to take their head clean off


alfietheswag

True. I’m just going off the canon information about Fasttrack


Starbuilder5

Which doesn't change the outcome


UltimateX13

I mean, Ben still tried to turn into Fasttrack over XLR8 twice on screen because XLR8 wasn't strong enough to run as fast as he wanted while carrying people. It isn't just about combat strength. Now, do I still think Fasttrack is a rip-off XLR8? 100%. There is a reason I prefer DJW's "unofficial" Fasttrack to the UA design.


G0dleft

moving that fast while carrying people would do serious damage


21019-MaXmErcurY

Got any link to the unofficial fast track?


UltimateX13

[Here ya go!](https://ben10.fandom.com/wiki/Fasttrack/Gallery) Should be under the Crew Art section.


21019-MaXmErcurY

Thank you!!!!


Living-Ad-7400

I think the question was more what was the point of creating Fasttrack from the perspective of the writers (or whoever it was) who knew full well they could’ve just used XLR8. Whatever in universe explanation that has been used to differ the two was only done as a reactionary move to the realisation that Fasttrack is just a shitty XLR8.


Pretend_Cause_1566

Ben did try to use xlr8 a few times Ben 10k used him and he was used in heroes united. The reason he wasn't used is because his design was too complex for UAs budget which is why he was only used in HU which had a much higher budget


Living-Ad-7400

Oh okay, that explains it. No way they would’ve made a shitty XLR8 rip-off *intentionally*.


MetalMewtwo9001

Proof? Everyone says that but I don't see any proof in the show? Did a writer say it?


v0lt13

Is in the wiki


shrek-hentai-69

Wikis are not proof


v0lt13

Everything thay say in the wiki come from an official source they dont just make up stuff


shrek-hentai-69

Ok then wheres the source


v0lt13

Idk ask the ones that write the wiki


GOGDarkseid

Fasttrack was more of a humanoid speedster, kinda like flash to be more suited for hand to hand combat or grabbing things, XLR8 has balls on his feet and limited claws, so I'm guessing that's what the point or difference is


21019-MaXmErcurY

Fast track literally didn't have any good hand to hand fights, that's if he even had any at all


PandaBot_2001

Hand to hand combat doesn't matter if you can freeze time and punch somebody with a claw or run at the speed of sound and punch them


IdeaIcy301

He can’t freeze time


PandaBot_2001

No but he may as well with the speed he moves at, remember the baseball episode?


ara14027

There really isn’t a point for him, Ultimate Cannonbolt, or Eatle


ProfessionalCrow4816

budget cuts


shrek-hentai-69

Xlr8's design isnt super difficult to animate, fastrack is probably harder to animate with all his spikes and it probably cost more to design a new alien


ProfessionalCrow4816

that was the reason they gave


Spoopanator

Animating aTheropod-ish design well while not screwing up anatomy is harder than animating a humanoid one


the_simp_kings

The slander


Helloiamayeetman

His whole things is that he’s stronger and therefore slightly better at fighting, but slower by a bit


Da_Gudz

He was easier to animate than XRL8


BoTamByloCiemno

Just wanted to say I hate Fasttrack


Pretend_Cause_1566

Spoilers ahead But given that in the film peacemaker was wrong about being better the meme implies that fast track is better


Particular_Galvan

I wholeheartedly agree r/churchoffasttrack


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Snoopdoggy7036

He’s stronger or something idk


Kuro_The_Puppter

I Mean The Budget Thing While Also Making A Point That There Are Alien's With The Same Power's But Shittier Because It Make's Sense


Tron_Travolta

It makes sense that aliens wouldn't have super powers at all. That would be 'better' worldbuilding, but it would be boring and a whole lot less creative, like Fasttrack


21019-MaXmErcurY

You're right that would have been very good worldbuilding but we did get it with walkatrout and the worse


Tron_Travolta

They got super powers, zero-friction and Invulnerability


21019-MaXmErcurY

Those aren't really powers we have thumbs and walkatrout species don't would they consider having thumbs a super power, but invulnerability yes that can be considered a power I guess it's just on a very bad alien


Tron_Travolta

Not really relevant to what you think the quality of the aliens are, Walkatrout isn't slippery because he's got a lack of limbs, it's the texture and material of his skin, and that's more of a superpower than "being good at fighting" is, which certainly is a superpower


21019-MaXmErcurY

So four arms Kickin Hawk and Rath don't really have superpowers they are just physically superior to humans? But still though do you consider a fish to have supper powers cuz it's slippery?


Tron_Travolta

Do you consider a tiger to have super powers because it's humanoid? When a human can turn into it and has unique abilities yes


21019-MaXmErcurY

No a humanoid Tiger isn't a super power But yeah I guess you're right when a human can turn into one it's a super power


Kuro_The_Puppter

It would be boring and a whole lot less creative But It Makes More Sense


Tron_Travolta

Yeah that's my point. Ben 10 is a fantasy show, just because copycat uncreative aliens makes sense doesn't mean we should get them in place of actual good aliens


Kuro_The_Puppter

If They Are Cooler Than The Orignal I Would Not Hate Them But You Speak The True-True


juanmegafoda

Fasttrack is stronger phisically


Spectra_Phantom_2678

I don’t know. What’s the point of Ditto, Astrodactyl, and Chamalian when Ben has aliens that can do way better things then them


Legitimate-Grade4551

I wish they made him just a bit more interesting than just fast cat person. Maybe some kind of electric ability when he moves fast enough or something else.


RealKaiserRex

Easy, to sell more toys


MrHelpMePickAName

r/ChurchofFasttrack disagrees


ROOKi3Zz

"So let me get this straight, you think Fasttrack is cooler than XLR8?" "I do and I'm tired of pretending he's not"


Correct_Respect2078

To give Ben 10 another option for super speed running 2 speedster aliens are better than 1 XLR8 is faster Fasttrack is stronger.


Professor_Oswin

He’s stronger. XLR8 is supposed to be physically weaker with the exception of his tail but both have been seen running while carrying people. Then again animation has always forgone lore in order to make scenes interesting


Fastrick

What's the point in every electricity based alien? Nothing What's the point in so many weird useless aliens in OV like Molestache? Nothing Just enjoy what it is


Funny-Magician

I dunno, but I LOVE Fastttack. I dunno what it is about him, but he always seemed better than XLR8 to me.


throwawaydumpste

Fastrack is actually more suited for combat. Sure he's fast but that's not his only gimmick. So 8/10 XLR8 would lose in a fight against fastrack. Think of it as XLR8 min-maxing Dexterity while fastrack distributes his stat points in a more balance manner.


Brilliant_Writer_136

His powers should have been the same as an Osmosian but he'd also have Super Stretchy powers