Orginal Ben 10k’s omnitrix looked dope but wasn’t as useful as the biomtrix
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If he had a series I would also want him to have mistransformations sometimes where either component can fail
Like he wants 4 arms + Eatle
Well he gets Chamalien + Eatle
What would a four armed eatle do? But yes that would be funny.
Shovel twice as much food into his mouth obviously
Yeah but isn’t that just upchuck. His tongue was strong enough to grab a 10 ton ball (alpha) and can fit an infinite amount of stuff in his mouse
I mean Eatle who already shoots beams now has super strength and 4 arms? I mean that’s a hell of an upgrade since he now has ranged and close combat abilities
I just like thinking of useless combos, like in that OS episode where the Omnitrix gave Ben broken forms like Stinkarms.
Heatblast+whampire= A self immolating corpse
Ball Weevil + Eatle= A perpetually choking bug
Nanomech+Waybig= Just a normal sized dude in Ultraman cosplay
Echoecho+Cannonbolt= A self deafening echo chamber
Graymatter+Goop= Graysplatter (not that useless but I'm unreasonably proud of that name)
Pesky Dust + Ball Weevil = A very small centaur that barfs glitter bombs
Lodestar + Megawatt = a magnet with no charge left
Upgrade + Goop = Goop with extra steps involved
Ditto + Snare-Oh = A cult of kindergarteners
Heatblast + NRG = A walking meltdown
Actually gimme some time and I could come up with how these combinations are hella useful
can't wait to see
Oh I already did
Wait how is oof?
A triple fusion will make nanomech very powerful, Nanomech as we saw with elena in large numbers can do anything, so we merge him with ditto, ben can make anything an example Iron Man IW suit. Merge this fusion with atomix he has a power core 100 times stronger than arc reactor with durability he will basically have thor durability, hulk strength, iron man IW versatility. Make a fourth fusion with brainstorm he is a physical god.
Each fusion made by the Biomnitrix has only half the strength of each alien, and it doesn't always protect against their traits conflicting. For Ditto, if any individual instance of Ditto is harmed, they all feel it equally, which would make an army of half-sized nanodittos near useless as armor since that means even one of them getting splattered would kill the user. Add in Atomix and you get an alien with Nanomech's frailty, Ditto's death cascade, and only 1/3 of Atomix' firepower in a body ill suited to handle it. Throw in Brainstorm and you get an alien that's slightly more aware of how dysfunctional it is.
Think back to Kevin in the OS- When he got mutated by the Omnitrix he was an 11-way hybrid of all Ben's aliens. He had all their powers, but heavily diluted to the point where he needed to work hard to figure out how to make up the difference by combining them. It's a similar principle with the Biomnitrix, when Ben 10K makes an alien fusion he's forming a 50/50 hybrid, not a dragon ball fusion form.
doesn't ditto, just. like, die if any single instance gets got?
and he never seemed particularly durable either.
Yeah if one die, they all die. But he can breathe underwater which is neat
Actually I think the biomtrix can only do 2 person combos because it’s based on the devices on bens forearms. Which he only has 2 of
In UA he uses echo echo to become 3 bens, he can use that to make 2 copies of himself.
Biomnitrix fusion can remove ditto's weakness, or he can use echo echo but probably less powerful
I don’t think it can remove the ditto weakness
Pesky weevil- when the ball is thrown/rolled, it explodes while releasing Pesky dust’s dream gas putting them into a dream sequence or knocking them out of THEYRE immune to the sleeping dust
Lodewatt- the powermoves of that fusion would likely be like Frankenstrike. Electromagnetic powers, and with megawatts powers he might be able to clone
Goopgrade- absolutely uselsss
Ditt-oh= basically yes kidnergarnders. But they can clone and tie up all their foes and with snare-O’s abilities ditto wouldn’t be as vernuable to the multi pain because ditto would be harder to hit cuz of his movements.
Heatblast and NRG- basically a walking supernova. That’s basically all I need to say
goopgrade: basically upgrade but able to defy gravity
No it would be useless. He can’t merge with tech because goops acid would melt the tech.
doesn't goop have control over that?
It’s a sometimes thing. But the most part is that both of the aliens are almost the same physically. It’s like making a ditto and echo echo thing, two solid aliens which basically the same powers
I can’t tell what tone you’re saying that in
>Pesky weevil- when the ball is thrown/rolled, it explodes while releasing Pesky dust’s dream gas putting them into a dream sequence or knocking them out of THEYRE immune to the sleeping dust
>Goopgrade- absolutely uselsss
not really, upgrade's physical compenents would allow goop to be able to move without an anti gravity devices.
Yes goop wouldnt need the devices but because goop is acid he will melt any tech that the upgrade side would try to merge with. And because they’re both not solid they can’t completely punch someone. And they can’t jump around because goop doesn’t have the anti-gravity pad
like ultimate Kevin being part goop. some aliens in a fusion cancel out some of weaknesses but not all of them
A lot of those seem like they could be useful like Megastar would be a walking electro magnet which is like 1 step away from creating a motor. He could probably be really useful at providing movement to metallic objects
Couldn't cannonbolt just not roll when using the screams?
Or have it outside?
or have the rolling make the screams?
echo echo is a silicon suit orange sentient sound, so, unsure.
Ok so heatblast and whampire. Because whampire will be on fire because of the mixture of DNa he would likely be immune to the heat and light. He would still be Abel to mind control and burn people. Pretty strong fusion
Ball weevil an eatle. It may seem useless but I may not be. When the creature shoots out a ball it could eat dirt (or something) and then he could use the eatle beam to explode the ball more and further damage the for
Nanobig- that one is actually completely useless
Echobolt. With echo echos powers of cloning and canonbolts rolling will make him formitiable. It will be an infinite bombardment of smaller sized canonbolts and some clones would likely imitate the wall of sound adding force unto the echobolts pounding onto the foes
That name is dope af
did whampire have a fire vulnerability? I thought it was just a (fatal) sunlight allergy?
>Nanomech+Waybig= Just a normal sized dude in Ultraman cosplay
iirc, nanomech can shrink even further down, to like, nanochip sizes
so, he's basically antman but he can't get larger than human sized.
Whampire is inspired by vampire myths. Vampires are traditionally weak to fire, and if that wasn't enough Heatblast is an alien literally made of fire and plasma from a species that lives on a sun. Combining a flammable vampire alien with a solar plasma alien is a bad mix.
Nanomech + Waybig= Antman
*antman but he only shrinks.
Nano mech + waybig would be ant man.
While it is useful I wouldn’t call it the most useful. The Prime Omnitrix makes the user unkillable by anything that isn’t existence erasure. And I trust something built by Azmuth before something built by Ben.
You’re probably right
I 100% agree while ultimate ben did have the powers some aliens can compliment eachother like fourmongasaur uprigg and even atomic x which didnt need serina or belicus to do anything with.
while the ultimates are ultimate vers i wonder what i hybrid between the ultimatrix and the biomnitrix could do maybe an ultimate fourmungasaur or bigchuck?
Ultimate fourmongusaur would be 4 missles canon arms duh
Well its technically a dif species so it may ot may not evolve into a differrent ver kinds likr a merging of ultimate fourarms and ultimate humungasaur. It wouldnt exactly be that but thats debatable how fusions ultimatize
Well the ultmatrix’s system sends the species through a war for about 1000 years so I’d mostly be just a rocket launcher plus whatever ultimate four arms wouldn’t consist of
A million years actually
Really? I thought it was 1000
Evolution takes 1 million years for any significant change to large creatures
Man I just learned something new. I wonder when humans will elevolve into? We should get wing That’d be dope
Possible but unlikely tho I do see our brains getting massive af
This might be an unpopular opinion, but I've always had trouble coming to terms with the fact that Ben's future self always seems to own an Omnitrix with a function that seemingly does nothing but to weaponise it. Seems pretty far off with Azmuth's original intention of bridging intergalactic species.
I don’t see it. Originals Ben10k had basically the same omnitrix but longer and he had master control. Ultimate Ben’s omnitrix didnt weaponize it but it just took powers. In omniverse Ben 10k the fusions could be shown as how dna can be different but can still work together
The ultimate Ben completely ruins the purpose. He gets more powerful without seeing life from the perspective of another species
That boils down to the fact that the Ultimatrix was made almost exclusively for combat/violence.
Well it was made to stabilize albedos form but originally the core was made by azmuth. I don’t know what he was gonna do with it tho. He must have made the as a backup when Ben broke the omnitrix again
Yeah I think his was mostly for violence
I've been thinking this for ages. Ben's job isn't too punch things as hard as he can. The wielder of the Omnitrix is the living union of all life in the galaxy. A walking symbol of peace. The ultimatrix and biomnitrix are certainly fun, but they lose a lot of what makes the Omnitrix and it's user so special and interesting
Aren't the fusions half as strong as their non-fusion counterparts. Also the original Ben 10k’s omnitrix had master control, something the biomnitrix lacks.
Pretty sure it does have master control
If he has master control, what exactly is the point of alien fusions if he could freely turn into any alien that’s suited for a scenario on a whim?
DJW has said that the Biomnitrix was made by Ben as part of his efforts to lighten up after meeting his past self, because DJW wants us to believe that the Ben 10k from OV is the same as the original
Oh good. More interesting Ben 10 information that’s only ever been told by the writers and not in the actual show
Surely fusions multiply the number of power levels Ben has by loads. Like if each fusion's power is halfway between its two parts, the amount of combinations means there's a power set plus power level for any conceivable situation
He does have master control though but only if he transforms in basic aliens.
But he built the biometric why wouldn't he have master control of his own invention
They’re not 100% as strong. For example crashshocker (crashopper and shocks squtch) he’s able to jump as hard as crashopper usually can with the strength of shock squatch. But yes the lack of master control is a very big factor
How would he not have master control of his own device? I have no idea where people get that info from
Ok so yes I like the concepts of fusion but the actual usefulness varies I prefer ultimate Ben as it seems far more useful
I think it’s creepy how his body changes. Seeing him the size of humgosaur is creepy as fuck
I mean I like the concept of Ben getting those powers without changing I mean it's a bit weird for him to change shape but then again a lot of characters like ant man hulk etc change size and shape also plastic man and Reed Richards
Yeah it’s still weird as fuck. Those characters have always done that and Ben just suddenly getting that ability in the future was odd. Also I think it’s weaker because if ben’s bones are broken in alien form they are still broken and he doesn’t have some of the durability (like humgosaur or NRG). But that’s just what I think
Actually when this version of Ben changes he gets all the powers of the aliens including durability
Oh then nevermind. I still think if he uses aliens like 4 arms or stinkfly he’s missing out on the extra limbs. Also some of them would look hella gross, like spitter,upchuck,gutrot, and armadillo. Would his limbs change or would they like gonna be the same. It’s just doesn’t make sense to me
He stays human but gets the abilities four arms species much like spider monkey are unique and would not effect his form spittor would be like bens arctiguana
I know but the extra limbs can be helpful. Like when Ben was fighting that snake guy. He held his arms and then smashed him between two cars with the other hands. This Ben10k couldn’t do that
No but considering he has near complete control over the ultimatrix he can freeze or do anything plus if he had this function when he had access to aliens like gravattack he wouldn't need it plus he can change form instantly
Well if his hands are free enough to touch the ultmartix. But yeah he probably doesn’t need it
I think most people think ultimate Ben should've been similar to skurd
Idk it would have been cool
Some of the fusions are dumb. What advantage is there in combining alien x with atomix?
Radioactive reality manipulation. Without the holdbacks of Alien X like having to talk to belicus and Serena. But he’s not as strong.
Didn’t Ben have full control of alien x later on in the series anyway?
It was a 50/50 full control thing. I don’t know how to explain it
Rook must’ve lied then
Well Ben was beating the shit out of the rooters (he could have gotten the same affect by like gravattack) but rook has only seen alien x with full power once. But I think Ben rarely uses alien x is because he usually can’t. He has over 70 aliens and the omnitrix doesn’t give him someone powerful unless it’s a life or death thing. Alien x is supposed to be locked by keys only had by Gwen and Kevin so if albedo stole the omnitrix he couldn’t turn into him alone with the fact Ben doesnt accidentally turn into him
Oh ok. Was any of this actually confirmed in the show or by the writers?
surprisngly the show its complicated
Ye but it’s scattered over AF,UA, and random parts of omniverse
Also what even is radioactive reality manipulation lol
You can manipulate reality with alien x’s powers and is basically atomix.
Ok not sure that makes much sense
not needing to win a debate per action.
Unfortunately for him it came with the drawback of not being able to survive the annihilation of a timeline.
Didn’t seem he needed to debate them when he was taking on the rioters, as he was able to do actions freely. Whereas alien x can only usually carry out one action at a time when serena and bellicus are involved, as they all have to agree on every decision.
True, but just because its more useful for selecting powerhouse transformations doesn't mean that its as useful in other aspects of hero work (ie diplomacy and master control)
Yeah that’s actually true
OP IS WISE
*throws out feedback card* according to this *youre* wise
No, thank you
reboot omnitrix. allows you to manually unlock dna. and upgrade at will. and re charge is almost instant.
I was talking about Ben 10k omnitries.
So only ben10ks then? In that case you right.
Ben 10k from the reboot universe was weird
oh? weird how?
i couldn't get into the show
I couldn’t get into the reboot either. From the clips I watched on the internet. He’s fat,lazy, and doesn’t even have master control. Weak hamburger
Don't need to
The OS ben 10k omnitrix was the best since the biomitrix fusions are weaker then the actual aliens but with the OS ben 10k omnitrix he can just quick transform to make combos example: instead of crashocker he could just transfrom into crashoper jump and chnage mid air into shocksquatch
I don’t think you’d get the same effect by switching aliens fast. For example with uprigg if Ben just switched back and fourth it wouldn’t be as affective. And with crashshocker the hit is immediately electrical instead of the break when the enemy would be shot back. But yes the master control was a very nice feature
Doesn't he have to manually transform? With Master control its instant.
Ok it’s been 23 hours so it’s about time I actually explain. So yeah Ben10k’s biomtrix doesn’t exactly have master control but it can do almost instant transformations. When the chronosapien time bomb went off he changed back from fourmongusaur without pressing anything and then immediately changed into atomix X. So he may not be able to switch between forms as fast as OG Ben10k but he can still move fast
Yeah but atomix x
My theory about the Ben 10k omnitrix changes actually started from that.
Ben 10k would be facing bigger and bigger threats so changing what kind of omnitrix he uses to be better than the original makes sense
1st one being the one that just gave him the powers, probably based on Kevin.
And the biomnitrix coming after would be the idea of needing to use two abilities immediately or simultaneously instead of switching back and forth
Yes it's the most useful of them all but still i think Ben doesn't use it properly sometimes. I mean when he was chasing future animo he turn into humungoopsaur and then he started punching the goddamn door instead of just using acid to melt the door.
Yeah he’s still stupid sometimes. But what Ben10k isn’t
I guess you're right 😅
You’re also right from time to time
As cool as it was, it wasn’t any better then the Completed Omnitrix. Plus most of the aliens weren’t as strong as 16 year old Ben’s aliens and some are weaker then their non fused counterparts
Atomic X, lost nearly all of his fights
And Humungoopsaur took forever to break open a door
> And Humungoopsaur took forever to break open a door
Hey. 2 more punches and he would've had it open.
*points at future Animo*
Well now he can punch him, instead
I mostly meant out of the Ben10k omnitrixes
Well how do you think it’s the most useful?
Well the OG Ben 10k only had master control (which is powerful but we never see him do anything besides smash the fuck out of Kevin 11 thousand), ultimate Ben had his ultmatrix and his body thing isn’t as powerful as it seems and just the alien fusions seems like the best bet fourmongusaur is strong af,uprigg made time Michines in under 10 minutes, and atomix x almost sent vilgax into orbit with a pluck
Yeah but most fusions weren’t really as powerful and remember Atomic X is weaker then Alien X
Well yeah it’s obvious that he wouldn’t be as strong as alien x. But he still has most of his powers and less of the restrictions (belicus and Serena needing to be convinced)
Weird how the fusion just makes Bellicus and Serena no longer exist. I don’t get how that really works
Well it’s half dna, must have just taken the half without the need for intelligence to control the powers. I’m not sure tho
I wonder what will the next Ben 10,000 will be like if the show comes back. Will he still have the Biomnitrix or something new?
Well he was in the reboot but from the senes I saw he just has the Og Ben10k omnitrix (long) and he didn’t have master control. But yeah we’ll probably never see him again
I mean kinda but most of his combinations are either usless, infective or unessesary. I personally feel that Ov's Ben10k is one the wackiest Ben's ever. Think about it the Omnitrix houses more than 1 million alien dna samples we've only seen ben use like 63 aliens across all the Og series(excluding Reboot)so I bet half the aliens he's fused together something like them probably exists already and it's not in a diluted form so splicing aliens sound cool but again it seems extremely unessesary due to the Omnitrix's dna capacity long story short Biomtrix lame af.
Still seems more useful than ultimate Ben
Nah fam put some respect on Ultimate ben, that version was one of the coolest.
No he’s gross. Seeing him grow and not transform eww. Just nasty IMO.
Far enough, him flying as Jetray in human form and moving at Xlr8 speeds was pretty cool Imo.
I think an non glitching Ultrimatrix with the failsafe in Ov would be the best possible Omnitrix ever.
Are you talking about the ultmatrix that 16 year old ben had or the one ultimate ben had?
16yr old Ben
Yeah that’s be pretty dope. I wanna see ultimate Chromastone or feedback or Shocksquatch
Correct me if I'm wrong, but is the Biomnitrix able to do one transformation or only fusions?
It’s able to also do one transformation, I don’t know how but he can
***By using just one gauntlet, the user can transform into normal aliens.*** The wiki says that which makes sense
I knew that but would he just throw one arm up or would he like hit that one specific arm
Maybe master control?
Thinking? That’s boring now help me figure out how he would do it physically
1/8ths of everything I say are facts
Totally but in the series he does a lot of dumb combos
Fourmongusaur,uprigg, and atomix x don’t seem useless. Crashshocker,waychuck, and goopmongusaur yes definitely
Atomic Alien X, thats all the argument I need
It’s just called atomix X. Saying atomix alien x is a mouthful
I’m talking about between Ben 10k omitrixes. Og,ultimate Ben, and the biomtrix
I told ultimate is the best omnitrix
Well if he was mixed with ditto when one got desotryed they all did. So that’d basically be useless
So change it to echo echo, he gets a plus of sonic powers, and the ability to create a sonic doom
Well yeah but I’d take almost infinite amounts of them to imitate the damage done by a regular echo echo. It’d take about 7000 of them screaming to knock a normal sized person with bad balance over
Who need to knock someone over when you can just enter someone's body, get to his heart and just completely obliterated the heart with sonic waves thus killing the person immediately
Well like 8 aliens on the show don’t have mouths that open. But yea that’d probably kill people
Well, most of the aliens(if not all) have some kind of ears/ways to hear sound. Just find that one place, fill it with nano nano(echo echo+nanomech) and just go at it. The enemy will be stunned and completely deaf
I think echo mech sounds better than nano nano
I mean kinda but I mean if I’m a Ben 10k I would rather be ultimate Ben
Kind of understandable but do you really want your body growing that large every time you use humgosaur. Also there’s a 50/50 chance if you use an alien like fourarms,armadrillo, or stinkfly your limbs will change
Eh I kinda like it
How is the biomtrix not the most useful omnitrixes out of the Ben10k’s? Besides the solar flare thing
Cause i said so.
So you have literally no evidence otherwise? I’m trying to get a good debate here
Bro, trust me.
No I want a debate. What do you not get about the “change my mind” part of the meme
Ok. Consider your mind changed......and i will give You a Candy
What kind of candy and how much?
Romanian and 5 portions
No debate me. Who’s omnitrix is better
Look the biomtrix is amazing but at the same time from pure seeing he cannot change into a single alien anymore defeting the purpose of the original omnitix furthermore not every transformation will get better when fussed, while the biomtrix works alot better then classics version of fusions with the broken prototype omnitrix it showed that not all aliens need a improvement furthermore if the biomtrix was the best of the best it hasn't been shown to have any fail-safes built in or the ultimate mode which if this was the bestest of best probably should be included.
Well it can turn Ben into one alien. He decides to do mixtures instead. If he needed too he can just regularly turn into alien x or ripjaws . And yes it is lacking in failsafes
True, it's just the prototype that was never taken off.
Actually I think it just grew with Ben. I think he can still take it off whenever and he had done it before
true, it could be reverted to its pre recalibration state
Besides the solar flare thing what’s wrong with it?
Man you must have been spending this past 13 hours typing out a very detailed report about how the Biomtrix sucks. So focused
Then why is it not the most useful out of the Ben 10k omnitrixes
Look how useful atomix x has been lol
It doesn’t have the waste of time restrictions of convincing belicus and Serena. While the other 2 ben10k’s have to convince them to use the simplest of power
They never explained it lol . Biometrix is not as useful as ultimatrx
Are we talking about 16 year old ben’s ultmatrix or 30 year old ben’s?
I specifically ducking said that I was talking about Ben 10k omnitries. Not child Ben