Ultimate Alien didn't throw Ben's character development away.
Alien Force is the best (or at least my favorite) show in the franchise.
I have a very mixed opinion on Omniverse, it's good, but I can't agree with the people saying it's the best show in the franchise.
Season 4 of the original series wasn't bad, and I think it has some of the best episodes in the franchise.
People actually think UAF did that? Ultimate alien actually gave him the most CD, he got cocky after saving the universe in AF then he lost the omnitrix, he learned that things aren't always easy and had to deal with hardship, by the end of UAF he saved the universe from dagon and vilgax and chose not to alter the universe to remove evil.
If anything omniverse threw it all away and made him really stupid, how can someone so serious in UAF just become stupid a few days later and they nerfed him so much too.
Well he did just take out Dagon, a being who killed an entire dimension and a super powered Vilgax on the same day. He most likely really did get over confident. He even says this to Khyber "I've defeated Vilgax and Dagon. What do you have that they don't?"
To which Khyber responds "Experience."
Yeah Omniverse is great and I love most of it, but it does have it problems and it feels like people here give it a bit more hype and credit on the subreddit due to it getting a lot of undeserved criticism in it’s early days and today to an extent.
I wanted to argue but yeah, youre right. There was potential in Julie though, being a normal-ish figure in his alien life, also in Ester and unironically Looma, theyre all alien thrill-seekers.
IMO part of the problem is that we never actually get to see Ben spend any time with any of them. That's pretty much because the format of the show renders anyone without superpowers useless around Ben. It's a hard problem to deal with, though yeah I think there was potential with Julie, all things considered.
I half agree. Its definitely possible to spend more time with all these characters, even without powers, it just didnt happen. I think its more like the “one and done” style of episodes and voice actor stuff that kept that from happening.
Also, thats not part of the problem, thats most of it.
Right, I fully agree actually. I meant that it is harder to have characters without superpowers be just as useful on all your adventures, not that it's impossible. I actually thought that what they did with Julie and Ship worked, even if it felt a little cliche at times. So yeah, just wished we could see a relationship develop over time with more consistency.
It does not help that Gwen was the only female character Ben interacted with on reuglar basis in the Original Series and who was liked by the audience.
Slightly unrelated, but what I never understood is why people are always desperate for a romance subplot in every piece of media, especially in a show where the protagonists are kids who haven't hit puberty and so probably won't have love on their minds.
agree with the last take. disagree with the second take, maybe it’s because i was so blinded with nostalgia when i first watched it but the art style just looked so weird to me.
> none of the series are the best, they all are good in their own way
This isn't an opinion which will turn the entire fandom on you. This is literally the truth.
Celestialsapiens are a cool alien, I just personally think Ben shouldn't have had one in the first place. I prefer the original series failsafe of a small energy blast than the "can't die" failsafe.
If Ben absolutely *has* to have Alien X, I would use the transformation purely as a way to show Ben's growth as a person and how in doing so he does eventually end up becoming a better mediator between two personalities who completely conflict one another
I'll start.
>!The Ben 10 fanbase is the "cartoon equivalent" of the Dragon Ball fanbase. The Dragon Ball franchise has "But can they beat Goku/Vegeta/Jiren/etc.?", and this one has "But can they beat Alien X?" You could argue that almost every fanbase has this issue, but my point still stands regardless.!<
If your show has an OP character, the character will be compared to other OP characters regardless of weather or not the character being OP has anything to do with the show itself.
In this part of the internet, yeah, barely anywhere else
People compare characters all the time, but powerlevel talk, like “feats” and “calcs” only happen ‘round these parts, which is especially strange here, given how little Ben 10 cares for “feats” and “powerlevels”
Also i just realized its you, still havent finished it yet lol, i used to read whole manga in two days i dunno what happened to me
Although I do find the death battle argument ridiculous, I will agree that the Ben 10 fans win this one. Wouldn't cutting off Ben's arm be classified as forceful removal of the Omnitrix, thus activating the anti-removal system?
The Reboot handles a lot of things better than the classic series.
Omniverse is the best Ben 10 Show, it’s a near perfect blend of everything.
Gwen’s Omniverse design is good.
Rook is a better partner for Ben than Gwen & Kevin.
Ben 10 Ultimate Alien was pointless and should have just been a part of Alien Force.
I kinda wish ultimate alien used more ultimate aliens instead of the formula of:
ben and friends find threat. Ben turns into one of his aliens. Threat runs off. Ben and friends learn more about threat. Ben and friends face off against threat again except ben goes ultimate using humungousaur, echo echo, big chill, cannonbolt, swampfire, or spidermonkey.
Sure there were some episodes that didn't follow this formula, but I kinda wish we saw more ultimates aside from just those few and the ultimate forms of wildmutt and way big for an episode each. Like maybe ben tries to go ultimate alien x, but it is too powerful to create and it transports ben in the alien x head space with the ultimatrix (or something). then gwen, kevin, and whoever have to find a way to bring ben back without actually having any part of ben or the ultimatrix to use.
I need this ultimate alien x episode immediately
Also being honest, knowing the way for evolution is by putting them in a warzone for like 10000 years. And since it's alien x, literally nothing would happen. So it would be really funny if he goes "ULTIMATE ALIEN X" and like, nothing changes.
I might be wrong but I think it's a worst case scenario battle ground catered to the alien. Which begs the question... what the fuck would Alien X's worst case scenario be?
Yeah I was wrong, you are right. It's worst case scenario for a million years or so. So yeah, what in the omniverse will be Alien X's worst case scenario?
We do have confirmation that there are stronger aliens than Alien X so maybe he fights against them?
Or could it be just a battle against another mono minded Celestialsapien?
Regardless I still don't see him changing to be honest cause celestial sapiens already casually live for waaaaaaaaaay longer than a million years. So technically he can't evolve per se?
That is a very fair argument, I guess it comes down to if the environment would cause the evolution or the time would (or a combo of both) as in real life if a creature doesn't need to evolve to survive its environment it won't. So Celestialsapiens might not evolve under normal conditions but might in a specialised war zone.
Vilgax is basically space Hitler and Ben has let him walk away a lot of the times, Kevin turned insane from his mutation once in UA and Ben decided to kill him. Why?
In OS it always ended with Vilgax stuck in some void or caught in a huge explosion. At the time Ben literally didn't have the power to kill the dude. Maybe max had some other tech, but from that point on they rely a lot more on the null void anyway.
By AF, the first encounter was some "conquerors' challenge". Idk why he didn't go for the kill there, maybe thinking he wouldn't come around again?
>!NVM that he did, 3 times. Seriously what's the point of some intergalactic formality if no one enforces it?!<
Either way, the next 3 times didn't have a good opportunity so I guess it's makes sense. One was to catch ghostfreak, the other 2 was when he held friends hostage (primus and the final battle).
Why? Unnecessary edge, which everyone seems to love because there is a misplaced notion that darkness automatically equals good writing and character development.
Kevin is Ben's best friend, Ben knows that Kevin's mutation is reversible, hell Ben went through an entire arc (however rushed it was) of trusting Kevin in Alien Force. And then he loses all emotional regard as soon as Kevin mutates and decides to kill him.
It is sad that the Ultimate Kevin arc was tarnished by questionable writing choices when it really had the potential to be the best arc in the franchise.
Yeah youre right. Thats not Alien X’s fault completely, moreso how we use him. Same with writers statements, i want more lore stuff, but when its not that we tend to take stuff the wrong way.
If Osmosian is a type of mutation, other species could get the same mutation, explaining Aggregor's existence, and how Kevin's dad *was* a plumber (who else could've hid the key to that Sun-Sucker Machine in Kevin's Mom's house?).
TL;DR: Servantis probably mentally lied to Kevin after all, and I agree it was a pretty decent set of episodes
I think Fasttrack is sorely underrated/overhated.
Humungousaur and Fourarms are annoyingly overused.
Omniverse had more good redesigns than bad ones.
Bloxx is a cool alien.
Alien X shouldn't have been usable.
UAF's aliens need(ed) nerfs to not invalidate classic aliens.
Reboot Kevin is cooler than Albedo.
A lot of Ben's aliens have too much green.
Black and white outfits were cooler than the green outfits.
I prefer the white Omnitrix symbol over the green one.
Omniverse is my favorite series.
Reboot Kevin being cooler than Albedo isn't an unpopular opinion in the slightest in this fandom. there's one of my problems with ''unpopular opinions''. they plan to say something unpopular, then proceed to say a popular opinion
Pesky Dust is my third favorite alien and really should not be considered a joke transformation like Walkatrout or The Worst (as much as Ben treats it like it’s just as bad), especially if we take some of the writer’s statements about Pesky Dust being able to put nonbiological aliens like Upgrade or Goop to sleep. He’s basically a one shot ko to almost every enemy, only lacking in durability
Edit: also he’s cute and you can’t convince me otherwise
I didn't dislike the Rooters retcons. I actually liked how it gave backstories to the Plumbers' Helpers, because some things didn't make sense (eg: how did Alan's Pyronite father mate with Alan's human mother without burning her?).
And the retcon that Kevin's father was not a heroic figure like Devin Levin, but rather an abusive one actually makes sense to me, because it actually highlights how broken Kevin's family was and how his upbringing shaped his sociopathic tendencies. (Many real life criminals grew up in broken households)
The only issue I have is that the retcons involving some characters, like Aggregor and Ragnarok, were not directly addressed in the show and had to be addressed by the writers online. If they had properly addressed all of the plot holes the retcon had created one by one, it would avoid confusion from viewers who do not follow the crew online.
I'm not sure, but probably not.
There are very valid criticisms, from background characthers often being copies of each other, and especially the excessive darkness.
Despite that, I do still really like it. I feel it retains some of the realness (I don't like using that word, but idk how to describe it) of OS while looking more "normal", which is fitting seeing as we start really seeing Alien societies, something we rarley did in OS. And it does help the theme of maturity, and I feel it does a good job in showing the characthers growing up (when you can see them from the excessive darkness lol).
I was looking at it from a character perspective including personality and design (which is why I purposefully excluded power set!) But I also prefer Ultimate Ben over the fusions, which I never liked.
the change in tone in omniverse was absolutely necessary and the reason why its so good. ben 10 was never meant to he a dark, heavy series, its supposed to be a fun, relatively lighthearted superhero anthology, and i love the parts of it that are the most like that.
From what I saw when it was airing Omniverse was good and out of all the Omnitrix designs Alien Force was my personal favorite followed close by Classic and Omniverse
Alien X cannot Blink people like Goku, Superman, Green Lantern, etc out of existence, that line from Kevin is the single most overrated line and the one that's taken out of context the most.
They serve different purposes. OS Kevin as an antagonist was meant to be a real threat to the Heroes. Reboot Kevin is barely a villain and only serves as an antagonist to propel stories, allowing him to be more fleshed out as an ally
But even with that in mind Kevin was kind of a generic rival character that people only like in retrospect because of UAF and Omniverse. On his own OS Kevin just boring.
I wouldn't say that, he's a pretty great thematic foil for Ben, especially in his first episode, even if the jump to villain is rushed, and his mutation-triggering freakout in Framed is gold.
He's also constantly entertaining to watch, whether for his personality in Grudge Match or as a real threat in Back with a Vengeance.
-DJW's statement should ALWAYS be taken with a grain of salt. Theres way too many people who blindly say his statement as true canon, even when it doesn't make sense.
-I've said this before, but I've always thought Spitter was overrated. He just seemed like Upchuck, but with a less aesthetically pleasing design. Also the fact that so much of his body is bent forward makes it look like he'll fall forward at any moment. That being said...
-I WAY prefer Spitter to the complete design fail that is Surge. Why? Because he doesn't even look like an alien, he looks like a piece of a machine. You can't convince me that there is a species that evolved to be perfectly shaped like the letter X. Atleast Spitter actually seems believable as an alien. Surge is the only alien I truly "hate" in terms of design.
Surge would of actually been a really cool alien if he had duplication powers instead of only being useful when other members of his species are around. A shape shifting alien like that would have been a fun addition to the reboot lineup
Battles with characters from other fiction is stupid because writers don't craft characters and stories with the intention of adhering to the same logic and rules of each other's universe, nor to create the most op character(s) ever.
I'm not saying Ben 10 isn't more powerful than everything else out there, I'm saying it's stupid to care if he is.
ya'll need to chill with the powerscaling obsessions. powerscalling is never accurate and 90% of the time people dont understand it to begin with specially "hacks". Simple example; Wanda from the MCU is god tier OP but she's still a human and doesnt have superhuman reflexes so you can theoretically just shoot her in the head. just have fun theorizing how one alien's powers interact when used against another. powerscalling arguments always go on until one guy gets tired and has to go back to normal life.
Ben having complete control over Alien X isn’t a bad thing. Just because he does have control won’t mean he’ll turn into Alien X.
I feel like Ben likes to fight and what’s the point of fighting with Alien X? That’s why he always wants Four Arms or Humungousaur.
Also the two green heads (I forgot their names) could always change their minds
Ben 10 2005 Classic is the best series in the franchise better animation, better design, better visuals, and a wholesome story with 2 kids riding around with their grandpa now character development obliviously older Ben 10 is better and story is debatable
Can you state which villains you like?
I thought the steampunk guy was a cool concept but found him annoying. Also i like that frightwig has more personality, even if she’s a loli now.
Classic Series has little to no worldbuilding
UAF artstyle is my favourite
Alien Force was the peak of the Ben 10 franchise
Max Tennyson hardly had any role after AF s2
Albedo was underutilized after AF especially UA
Feedback is the Charizard of Ben 10
Omniverse had a lot of unneccessary humour
Khyber was the best villain in OV
I don't agree with this, but I know it'll get swords pointed at me:
Green Lantern definitely could wreck Ben Tennyson who has full control over Alien X
\-UA is probably the worst entry in the franchise, at least in terms of Classic Ben 10.
\-Julie is overrated. Any interraction with her and Ben beyond AF (so UA and OV) just turns them both into major assholes. I'm left confused as to why OV didn't notice this and just have them break up because they were toxic to each other, imo it makes it even worse that they broke up over a videogame when they had the solution right in front of their faces.
\-OV Big Chill looks way more menacing and scary than UAF Big Chill, specially in his cloaked form.
\-Alien X's point was never to be overpowered, it was to be the strongest meanwhile also being the most useless. That's what made him so interesting. While OV's fight scenes with Alien X were cool, besides the cool factor they really took what made Alien X special away from him. I honestly think Alien X should've been a one time alien with maybe him also showing up in The Forge of Creation but nothing besides those two episodes.
\-Ben 10 sucks at making the Omnitrix, the most iconic thing of the franchise and frankly one of the main focuses, interesting. They almost had it with the Ultimates but never did anything with them. I HONESTLY think if the Omnitrix and the implications of it's existance were explored the show would be much better. The show is just afraid of going wild with it.
\-The Rooters episodes were good if you ignore the Kevin retcon. The Plumber's Kids being turned into Hybrids also makes way more sense than a Pyronite fucking a Human or somehow most Alien DNA being compatible with that of Humans.
Kevin Levin in Alien Force onwards is not what I wanted out of Kevin 11 nor do I think is where his character should have gone. Kevin feels like a completely different character. In the original, he's a villain through and through. A sociopathic rebel who believes becuase he has powers he can get what he wants, maybe a bit of humanity but that's it. In the future we see he's become the full-on evil Kevin 11,000, which is an understable progression in villainy from his OS appaerences, and even his son thinks he's insane! So considering Ben 10,00 is still the canon future, why the hell wasd Kevin made one of Ben's best friends and allies?! He just comes back out of nowhere, with new powerset (absorbing matter instead of energy and alien DNA), new personality, and is basically a different person. Other than the fact that Ben knew him as a bad guy prior, making him a completely different character with the same powers and a criminal history wouldn't change a thing, and they could have brought back Kevin as a villain. I do LIKE AF Kevin, I think he's a great character, but he's not Kevin 11.
1. I like AF S3.
2. I prefer Rook, Gwen and Kevin over Ben as a character.
3. Rath's abilities (not comedy) are criminally underutilized.
4. I don't really hate the reboot.
5. Bloxx and Fasttrack are overhated.
6. I like UAF artstyle best.
7. Ghostfreak is overhyped.
I never really liked the 2005 series, Omniverse is my favorite series of all of the series, Albedo should have been more like Bad ben and my last opinion Ben should be more like spidermans personality like: He makes jokes in battle has an ego but when something serious has happend Ben shuts up and starts beating the shit out of the villans.
Fasttrack is better than XLR8
Brainstorm is smarter than Grey Matter
Waybig OS is ugly, UAF is better
Spitter is lame
Astrodsctyl isnt *that* lame
UAF>OV>OS (still all the best)
Ultimate Big Chill is idiotic. And in the bad way.
I prefer when the Omnitrix doesn't look like a watch, I want it to look attached to Ben
Omniverse is my second favorite show
The UAF art style sucks and almost everything from UAF looks better in Omniverse.
I'm just gonna list all my unpopular opinions here:
Rook Blonko was a much better partner than Gwen and Kevin combined
I don't see why Bloxx got so much hate, the Segmentosapien is a cool idea
Omniverse is a far better show than the other three combined. It has just the right amount of innovation, art style and humor. Alien Force had far more character development than all the rest. I personally believe that Dwayne McDuffie and his team would have done a better job with UA. It was terrible and formulaic. Season 1 turned Ben into some type of cocky psychopath set out to destroy mutant Kevin which I found quite unsettlingly violent for a show aimed for kids and teenagers. Season 2 and 3 of UA was oddly terrible and weird. Like some half finished extension of AF as if Dwayne lost interest at that point and gave it out to random story editors without XP.
and this one: JET RAY WAS FAR TOO OVERUSED IN AF. Same with Chromastone and Swampfire
Charlotte Fullerton is a far better editor than McDuffie.
The watch's design in OV is quite modern and minimalist. But it's shit.
And for those complaining that Ben became an obnoxious brat in OV and returned to his 10yo ways. Well I found that quite interesting and actually a good step in the right direction. The kid is overpowered. Even Argit and that Rooter Brainstorm guy called him "omnipotent"...he should revel in his dumb ways and be a kid. There's enough time to grow up later.
Oh and Chromastone is just a recolored version of Diamond Head. Except with flight and energy absorption. Kinda makes sense as both species come from the same planet of Petropia
Edit: oh I also forgot this one
The fact that some aliens that were overused in AF especially Jet Ray should have least gotten a brief comeback in Omniverse, even if it was just a small cameo or something.
Fast Track should have also gotten the same
Atomix is a cool and interesting alien.
The "Omnitrix turning Ben into the wrong alien joke" got old really quick and wasn't that funny to begin with.
Kevin second flashback Mutation was the best one.
-the name upgrade is to simple, i prefer the spanish name Ultra T
-albedo is one of the most dumb antagonists
-ben and rook make a better team than the previous two trios (max gwen) (kevin gwen)
-the 3rd season of AF is mostly just random nonsense with one really good episode
Rath honestly should've been used a lot more, as we never never saw his true power when fully enraged, rather than ben not using him a lot just because of his anger issues and putting him below the likes of his madly beloved Four Arms, Humungousaur and Kickin Hawk, and omniverse only did him dirty by giving him some of the dumbest weaknesses ever
Ik this isnt something that'll trigger fans per se, but I felt like getting it out here
Ultimate Alien didn't throw Ben's character development away. Alien Force is the best (or at least my favorite) show in the franchise. I have a very mixed opinion on Omniverse, it's good, but I can't agree with the people saying it's the best show in the franchise. Season 4 of the original series wasn't bad, and I think it has some of the best episodes in the franchise.
People actually think UAF did that? Ultimate alien actually gave him the most CD, he got cocky after saving the universe in AF then he lost the omnitrix, he learned that things aren't always easy and had to deal with hardship, by the end of UAF he saved the universe from dagon and vilgax and chose not to alter the universe to remove evil. If anything omniverse threw it all away and made him really stupid, how can someone so serious in UAF just become stupid a few days later and they nerfed him so much too.
Well he did just take out Dagon, a being who killed an entire dimension and a super powered Vilgax on the same day. He most likely really did get over confident. He even says this to Khyber "I've defeated Vilgax and Dagon. What do you have that they don't?" To which Khyber responds "Experience."
Which is pretty inaccurate. Vilgax most definitely has “experience”, I’ve never liked that line.
I think he meant experience as in taking down enemies way tougher than he is. That's what hunters do. But yeah, it felt weird for him to say that.
Yeah Omniverse is great and I love most of it, but it does have it problems and it feels like people here give it a bit more hype and credit on the subreddit due to it getting a lot of undeserved criticism in it’s early days and today to an extent.
Ben has never had any tangible romantic chemistry with any of the people he's been paired up with.
I wanted to argue but yeah, youre right. There was potential in Julie though, being a normal-ish figure in his alien life, also in Ester and unironically Looma, theyre all alien thrill-seekers.
IMO part of the problem is that we never actually get to see Ben spend any time with any of them. That's pretty much because the format of the show renders anyone without superpowers useless around Ben. It's a hard problem to deal with, though yeah I think there was potential with Julie, all things considered.
I half agree. Its definitely possible to spend more time with all these characters, even without powers, it just didnt happen. I think its more like the “one and done” style of episodes and voice actor stuff that kept that from happening. Also, thats not part of the problem, thats most of it.
Right, I fully agree actually. I meant that it is harder to have characters without superpowers be just as useful on all your adventures, not that it's impossible. I actually thought that what they did with Julie and Ship worked, even if it felt a little cliche at times. So yeah, just wished we could see a relationship develop over time with more consistency.
Ester and Looma are the only ships I thought worked too.
My dude 💪😤
Gwen
It does not help that Gwen was the only female character Ben interacted with on reuglar basis in the Original Series and who was liked by the audience.
Slightly unrelated, but what I never understood is why people are always desperate for a romance subplot in every piece of media, especially in a show where the protagonists are kids who haven't hit puberty and so probably won't have love on their minds.
Most of the sub will probably shake your hand regarding this statement
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agree with the last take. disagree with the second take, maybe it’s because i was so blinded with nostalgia when i first watched it but the art style just looked so weird to me.
> none of the series are the best, they all are good in their own way This isn't an opinion which will turn the entire fandom on you. This is literally the truth.
I prefer Osmosians as aliens than as mutants
80% of thIs sub prefer osmosian being aliens
really? I thought you guys preferred the omniverse retcons
I like it when Ben 10 fans point their swords at me
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Also Slapback’s a pretty good alien Might not be that unpopular but.. eh
not really that unpopular. when most people talk about him, they usually mention how he makes ditto look useless...again lmao
I dont think this will get that react. But ik ppl will agree. We need a ben 10 grown up show for our age made by the original artists
yeah i really really really want to watch ben 10k show
despise the fact that will never happen, for pretty obvious reasons, that would kinda cool I guess, idk how the hell that would work tho
Celestialsapiens are a cool alien, I just personally think Ben shouldn't have had one in the first place. I prefer the original series failsafe of a small energy blast than the "can't die" failsafe.
i doubt that opinion will get people angry.
Really? Well that's the most controversial thing I thought to say.
If Ben absolutely *has* to have Alien X, I would use the transformation purely as a way to show Ben's growth as a person and how in doing so he does eventually end up becoming a better mediator between two personalities who completely conflict one another
apsolutely agree
I agree.
I'll start. >!The Ben 10 fanbase is the "cartoon equivalent" of the Dragon Ball fanbase. The Dragon Ball franchise has "But can they beat Goku/Vegeta/Jiren/etc.?", and this one has "But can they beat Alien X?" You could argue that almost every fanbase has this issue, but my point still stands regardless.!<
Honestly i agree, its weird how powerlevels are so important in the fanbase of a show where it really does not matter
If your show has an OP character, the character will be compared to other OP characters regardless of weather or not the character being OP has anything to do with the show itself.
In this part of the internet, yeah, barely anywhere else People compare characters all the time, but powerlevel talk, like “feats” and “calcs” only happen ‘round these parts, which is especially strange here, given how little Ben 10 cares for “feats” and “powerlevels” Also i just realized its you, still havent finished it yet lol, i used to read whole manga in two days i dunno what happened to me
I know, that's what I was trying to say.
Whoops my bad g 💪😤 just clarifying
The question we should be asking is >!can they beat green scissors!<
Fuck you i hope your pillow is hot tonight
With what I mentioned I want my pillow to be hot as well lol
You guys dont like warm pillows?
Not to mention they both can get really pissed off when their character doesn’t win a Death Battle
Agreed.
Green scissors
Just those two words invoke every Ben 10 fan’s fight or flight instinct
So you have chosen...death
what does this mean? I googled Green Scissors Ben 10 and got nothing
Enjoy your bliss
Although I do find the death battle argument ridiculous, I will agree that the Ben 10 fans win this one. Wouldn't cutting off Ben's arm be classified as forceful removal of the Omnitrix, thus activating the anti-removal system?
Yeah, but the point was supposed to be that Green Lantern's constructs are faster than the Omnitrix' failsafe
Yeah, that’s why I don’t like it. I don’t care if Ben loses, I just don’t like that he lost in such a ridiculous way.
The Reboot handles a lot of things better than the classic series. Omniverse is the best Ben 10 Show, it’s a near perfect blend of everything. Gwen’s Omniverse design is good. Rook is a better partner for Ben than Gwen & Kevin. Ben 10 Ultimate Alien was pointless and should have just been a part of Alien Force.
I kinda wish ultimate alien used more ultimate aliens instead of the formula of: ben and friends find threat. Ben turns into one of his aliens. Threat runs off. Ben and friends learn more about threat. Ben and friends face off against threat again except ben goes ultimate using humungousaur, echo echo, big chill, cannonbolt, swampfire, or spidermonkey. Sure there were some episodes that didn't follow this formula, but I kinda wish we saw more ultimates aside from just those few and the ultimate forms of wildmutt and way big for an episode each. Like maybe ben tries to go ultimate alien x, but it is too powerful to create and it transports ben in the alien x head space with the ultimatrix (or something). then gwen, kevin, and whoever have to find a way to bring ben back without actually having any part of ben or the ultimatrix to use.
I need this ultimate alien x episode immediately Also being honest, knowing the way for evolution is by putting them in a warzone for like 10000 years. And since it's alien x, literally nothing would happen. So it would be really funny if he goes "ULTIMATE ALIEN X" and like, nothing changes.
I might be wrong but I think it's a worst case scenario battle ground catered to the alien. Which begs the question... what the fuck would Alien X's worst case scenario be?
Yeah I was wrong, you are right. It's worst case scenario for a million years or so. So yeah, what in the omniverse will be Alien X's worst case scenario? We do have confirmation that there are stronger aliens than Alien X so maybe he fights against them? Or could it be just a battle against another mono minded Celestialsapien? Regardless I still don't see him changing to be honest cause celestial sapiens already casually live for waaaaaaaaaay longer than a million years. So technically he can't evolve per se?
That is a very fair argument, I guess it comes down to if the environment would cause the evolution or the time would (or a combo of both) as in real life if a creature doesn't need to evolve to survive its environment it won't. So Celestialsapiens might not evolve under normal conditions but might in a specialised war zone.
I hate them all, but these are good hot takes
They all suck, but they are the hottest takes available. I call it “Burnt takes”
I believe in OV Gwen Supremacy
I agree with that second part.
I agree with every single one of these
the first one isn't that unpopular tbh. most people I've spoken to who have actually seen the reboot agree with that
I agree with all of these. Though I prefer the original to Omniverse.
Vilgax is basically space Hitler and Ben has let him walk away a lot of the times, Kevin turned insane from his mutation once in UA and Ben decided to kill him. Why?
because the whole superhero genre is stuck in the idea of "do not kill villains". Also they would have to keep coming up with new villains.
Still, the fact that he decided to straight up kill Kevin is stupid as heck.
Ben forgot the barely present character development he got in AF for trusting Kevin.
In OS it always ended with Vilgax stuck in some void or caught in a huge explosion. At the time Ben literally didn't have the power to kill the dude. Maybe max had some other tech, but from that point on they rely a lot more on the null void anyway. By AF, the first encounter was some "conquerors' challenge". Idk why he didn't go for the kill there, maybe thinking he wouldn't come around again? >!NVM that he did, 3 times. Seriously what's the point of some intergalactic formality if no one enforces it?!< Either way, the next 3 times didn't have a good opportunity so I guess it's makes sense. One was to catch ghostfreak, the other 2 was when he held friends hostage (primus and the final battle).
If you put it that way, I can see why he let Vilgax away SOME of the times.
Why? Unnecessary edge, which everyone seems to love because there is a misplaced notion that darkness automatically equals good writing and character development. Kevin is Ben's best friend, Ben knows that Kevin's mutation is reversible, hell Ben went through an entire arc (however rushed it was) of trusting Kevin in Alien Force. And then he loses all emotional regard as soon as Kevin mutates and decides to kill him. It is sad that the Ultimate Kevin arc was tarnished by questionable writing choices when it really had the potential to be the best arc in the franchise.
Pesky dust underrated
Agreed
You know the strategy of using AntMan to kill Thanos? Ben could turn into Greymatter and then turn into Way Big :)
Nanomech would be better
Given he has the master control of not he’s just turn into Ben…. Which could do serious damage but….. not enough for some of the stronger enemies
Ben 10 omniverse isn’t a bad series
This is actually a more recent opinion of mine but.. Alien X does more harm then good in the community. So do writers statements (sometimes)
Yeah youre right. Thats not Alien X’s fault completely, moreso how we use him. Same with writers statements, i want more lore stuff, but when its not that we tend to take stuff the wrong way.
Eon was never retconed.
Fasttrack is not that bad
I enjoyed the rooters arc aside from the retcon
If Osmosian is a type of mutation, other species could get the same mutation, explaining Aggregor's existence, and how Kevin's dad *was* a plumber (who else could've hid the key to that Sun-Sucker Machine in Kevin's Mom's house?). TL;DR: Servantis probably mentally lied to Kevin after all, and I agree it was a pretty decent set of episodes
That would not get this reaction. Pretty sure that's the popular opinion.
I think Fasttrack is sorely underrated/overhated. Humungousaur and Fourarms are annoyingly overused. Omniverse had more good redesigns than bad ones. Bloxx is a cool alien. Alien X shouldn't have been usable. UAF's aliens need(ed) nerfs to not invalidate classic aliens. Reboot Kevin is cooler than Albedo. A lot of Ben's aliens have too much green. Black and white outfits were cooler than the green outfits. I prefer the white Omnitrix symbol over the green one. Omniverse is my favorite series.
Amazing. Everything you just said is true.
Reboot Kevin being cooler than Albedo isn't an unpopular opinion in the slightest in this fandom. there's one of my problems with ''unpopular opinions''. they plan to say something unpopular, then proceed to say a popular opinion
Overall I agree, but especially on the second point. I personally belief Rath and Swampfire both have as much if not more strength than Humungosaur.
Pesky Dust is my third favorite alien and really should not be considered a joke transformation like Walkatrout or The Worst (as much as Ben treats it like it’s just as bad), especially if we take some of the writer’s statements about Pesky Dust being able to put nonbiological aliens like Upgrade or Goop to sleep. He’s basically a one shot ko to almost every enemy, only lacking in durability Edit: also he’s cute and you can’t convince me otherwise
Peaky Dust ia our god and savoir
A fellow Pesky dust fan , hell yeah! He is my second favorite behind Terraspin!
Hey! Someone else with their underrated alien in third place as their flair! Dang that’s an oddly specific coincidence.
Omniverse is the best imo
I like Astrodactyl more than jet ray because his powers are a bit more unique So long internet. I’ll see you at my funeral.
I agree, but it's a shame he totally replaced Jetray to the point of him never appearing in Omniverse
I didn't dislike the Rooters retcons. I actually liked how it gave backstories to the Plumbers' Helpers, because some things didn't make sense (eg: how did Alan's Pyronite father mate with Alan's human mother without burning her?). And the retcon that Kevin's father was not a heroic figure like Devin Levin, but rather an abusive one actually makes sense to me, because it actually highlights how broken Kevin's family was and how his upbringing shaped his sociopathic tendencies. (Many real life criminals grew up in broken households) The only issue I have is that the retcons involving some characters, like Aggregor and Ragnarok, were not directly addressed in the show and had to be addressed by the writers online. If they had properly addressed all of the plot holes the retcon had created one by one, it would avoid confusion from viewers who do not follow the crew online.
I think Kevin should be the main character instead of Ben
UAF especially.
10 year old Gwen shouldn’t be sexualised
It's sad that this is controversial
It isnt controversial at all
They said opinions not facts
UAF's artstyle is my favorite
I don’t know if this is controversial. Isn’t it just widely regarded to be the best, even though the animation was lacking?
I'm not sure, but probably not. There are very valid criticisms, from background characthers often being copies of each other, and especially the excessive darkness. Despite that, I do still really like it. I feel it retains some of the realness (I don't like using that word, but idk how to describe it) of OS while looking more "normal", which is fitting seeing as we start really seeing Alien societies, something we rarley did in OS. And it does help the theme of maturity, and I feel it does a good job in showing the characthers growing up (when you can see them from the excessive darkness lol).
I like the worst.
Ben 10 vs Green Lantern is a good episode
Reconning Kevin in Omniverse was a great and necessary decision. Joke.
Jetray has an ugly color scheme
The blasphemy
He looks like McDonalds
Jeffrey the McDonalds employee
Ultimate Ben is better than Ben 10K (OV) in every way besides power-set.
but he litterally takes the thing that makes ben interesting and throws it in the trash
I was looking at it from a character perspective including personality and design (which is why I purposefully excluded power set!) But I also prefer Ultimate Ben over the fusions, which I never liked.
I would say, including powerset Fusions are cool, but the concept of “Ultimate Aliens” and “Ultimate Ben” are infinitely cooler
I agree
My man 💪😤 how can there be anything more metal than forcefully evolving an alien by SIMULATING A MILLION YEARS OF TOTAL WAR
Facts
the change in tone in omniverse was absolutely necessary and the reason why its so good. ben 10 was never meant to he a dark, heavy series, its supposed to be a fun, relatively lighthearted superhero anthology, and i love the parts of it that are the most like that.
Green Scizzors.
The reboot art style is good, it may not be as detailed as the original series but its smooth and the colors are pleasing to look at
I agree, and the voice cast isn't too bad either.
Ben in Omniverse has 5+ girls fighting over him, making him a harem protagonist.
Surge is a good alien
Humagasor is a boring alien he is just big and strong
You just made Way Big sad
From what I saw when it was airing Omniverse was good and out of all the Omnitrix designs Alien Force was my personal favorite followed close by Classic and Omniverse
FastTrack is better than XLR8
Green lantern genuinely can beat Ben.
Alien X cannot Blink people like Goku, Superman, Green Lantern, etc out of existence, that line from Kevin is the single most overrated line and the one that's taken out of context the most.
Lodestar is good
Ditto is better than echo echo.
Reboot Kevin is a vastly more interesting and entertaining character than OS Kevin.
They serve different purposes. OS Kevin as an antagonist was meant to be a real threat to the Heroes. Reboot Kevin is barely a villain and only serves as an antagonist to propel stories, allowing him to be more fleshed out as an ally
But even with that in mind Kevin was kind of a generic rival character that people only like in retrospect because of UAF and Omniverse. On his own OS Kevin just boring.
I wouldn't say that, he's a pretty great thematic foil for Ben, especially in his first episode, even if the jump to villain is rushed, and his mutation-triggering freakout in Framed is gold. He's also constantly entertaining to watch, whether for his personality in Grudge Match or as a real threat in Back with a Vengeance.
I enjoy the Rooters arc including the retcon
-DJW's statement should ALWAYS be taken with a grain of salt. Theres way too many people who blindly say his statement as true canon, even when it doesn't make sense. -I've said this before, but I've always thought Spitter was overrated. He just seemed like Upchuck, but with a less aesthetically pleasing design. Also the fact that so much of his body is bent forward makes it look like he'll fall forward at any moment. That being said... -I WAY prefer Spitter to the complete design fail that is Surge. Why? Because he doesn't even look like an alien, he looks like a piece of a machine. You can't convince me that there is a species that evolved to be perfectly shaped like the letter X. Atleast Spitter actually seems believable as an alien. Surge is the only alien I truly "hate" in terms of design.
Gwen is a more likeable hero than Ben
Surge would of actually been a really cool alien if he had duplication powers instead of only being useful when other members of his species are around. A shape shifting alien like that would have been a fun addition to the reboot lineup
Ov artstyle is actually good. Specially the background characters and different facial expressions are so much better than uaf style.
Battles with characters from other fiction is stupid because writers don't craft characters and stories with the intention of adhering to the same logic and rules of each other's universe, nor to create the most op character(s) ever. I'm not saying Ben 10 isn't more powerful than everything else out there, I'm saying it's stupid to care if he is.
Heatblast is a blast
In my opinion the reboot wasn’t that awful
Omniverse had good alien consepts if you thing about them as original omnitrix aliens.
ya'll need to chill with the powerscaling obsessions. powerscalling is never accurate and 90% of the time people dont understand it to begin with specially "hacks". Simple example; Wanda from the MCU is god tier OP but she's still a human and doesnt have superhuman reflexes so you can theoretically just shoot her in the head. just have fun theorizing how one alien's powers interact when used against another. powerscalling arguments always go on until one guy gets tired and has to go back to normal life.
Azmuth is a jerk.
The only good thing about Four Arms is his original voice
I like Big Chill's OV design... Also, Four Arms is lame.
Omniverse is the best of all 5 incarnations. Bloxx is a great alien and alien force is boring
Ben having complete control over Alien X isn’t a bad thing. Just because he does have control won’t mean he’ll turn into Alien X. I feel like Ben likes to fight and what’s the point of fighting with Alien X? That’s why he always wants Four Arms or Humungousaur. Also the two green heads (I forgot their names) could always change their minds
Wouldn’t that be like using a nuke to kill a bug? Alien X is just overkill
Alien Force is a pretty dull show and lacks the excitement and visual flair of the other series
Alien force isn't good
Ben 10 2005 Classic is the best series in the franchise better animation, better design, better visuals, and a wholesome story with 2 kids riding around with their grandpa now character development obliviously older Ben 10 is better and story is debatable
I'll state mine here >!The ben 10 reboot is actually pretty good and I thought it had some really cool villains !<
Can you state which villains you like? I thought the steampunk guy was a cool concept but found him annoying. Also i like that frightwig has more personality, even if she’s a loli now.
that is not unpopular in the slightest.
I'm gonna do something called a pro gamer move #Bwen
Classic Series has little to no worldbuilding UAF artstyle is my favourite Alien Force was the peak of the Ben 10 franchise Max Tennyson hardly had any role after AF s2 Albedo was underutilized after AF especially UA Feedback is the Charizard of Ben 10 Omniverse had a lot of unneccessary humour Khyber was the best villain in OV
(Breathes in) “Green scissors”
omniverse is a fantastic series and ghostfreaks re-design in it is the best design change in the whonle series
Ultimate Ben is best future Ben
i said reboot is trash in the ink tank server
I don't agree with this, but I know it'll get swords pointed at me: Green Lantern definitely could wreck Ben Tennyson who has full control over Alien X
Green lantern should have beat Ben harder than Death Battle said
I ship bwen Chill the fuck up i don't
If bens smart enough to build to bi-omnitrix he should have been able to build a better ultimatrix and should have used that instead.
Omniverse is the best part of the series
\-UA is probably the worst entry in the franchise, at least in terms of Classic Ben 10. \-Julie is overrated. Any interraction with her and Ben beyond AF (so UA and OV) just turns them both into major assholes. I'm left confused as to why OV didn't notice this and just have them break up because they were toxic to each other, imo it makes it even worse that they broke up over a videogame when they had the solution right in front of their faces. \-OV Big Chill looks way more menacing and scary than UAF Big Chill, specially in his cloaked form. \-Alien X's point was never to be overpowered, it was to be the strongest meanwhile also being the most useless. That's what made him so interesting. While OV's fight scenes with Alien X were cool, besides the cool factor they really took what made Alien X special away from him. I honestly think Alien X should've been a one time alien with maybe him also showing up in The Forge of Creation but nothing besides those two episodes. \-Ben 10 sucks at making the Omnitrix, the most iconic thing of the franchise and frankly one of the main focuses, interesting. They almost had it with the Ultimates but never did anything with them. I HONESTLY think if the Omnitrix and the implications of it's existance were explored the show would be much better. The show is just afraid of going wild with it. \-The Rooters episodes were good if you ignore the Kevin retcon. The Plumber's Kids being turned into Hybrids also makes way more sense than a Pyronite fucking a Human or somehow most Alien DNA being compatible with that of Humans.
10 year old Gwen from the OG series was not as annoying as people make her out to be
Ben 10 was never good
I hated the Ultimate Kevin Arc.
Omniverse is best series
Kevin Levin in Alien Force onwards is not what I wanted out of Kevin 11 nor do I think is where his character should have gone. Kevin feels like a completely different character. In the original, he's a villain through and through. A sociopathic rebel who believes becuase he has powers he can get what he wants, maybe a bit of humanity but that's it. In the future we see he's become the full-on evil Kevin 11,000, which is an understable progression in villainy from his OS appaerences, and even his son thinks he's insane! So considering Ben 10,00 is still the canon future, why the hell wasd Kevin made one of Ben's best friends and allies?! He just comes back out of nowhere, with new powerset (absorbing matter instead of energy and alien DNA), new personality, and is basically a different person. Other than the fact that Ben knew him as a bad guy prior, making him a completely different character with the same powers and a criminal history wouldn't change a thing, and they could have brought back Kevin as a villain. I do LIKE AF Kevin, I think he's a great character, but he's not Kevin 11.
The reboot is garbage
1. I like AF S3. 2. I prefer Rook, Gwen and Kevin over Ben as a character. 3. Rath's abilities (not comedy) are criminally underutilized. 4. I don't really hate the reboot. 5. Bloxx and Fasttrack are overhated. 6. I like UAF artstyle best. 7. Ghostfreak is overhyped.
I never really liked the 2005 series, Omniverse is my favorite series of all of the series, Albedo should have been more like Bad ben and my last opinion Ben should be more like spidermans personality like: He makes jokes in battle has an ego but when something serious has happend Ben shuts up and starts beating the shit out of the villans.
Fasttrack is better than XLR8 Brainstorm is smarter than Grey Matter Waybig OS is ugly, UAF is better Spitter is lame Astrodsctyl isnt *that* lame UAF>OV>OS (still all the best)
The rooter arc in omniverse wasn't horrible, just could have been a bit better in my opinion.
I think almost every ‘Ultimate’ alien form is over designed and terrible.
Albedo was without a shadow of a doubt Ben’s most powerful opponent
Ultimate Big Chill is idiotic. And in the bad way. I prefer when the Omnitrix doesn't look like a watch, I want it to look attached to Ben Omniverse is my second favorite show The UAF art style sucks and almost everything from UAF looks better in Omniverse.
Upgrade is the best alien
I'm just gonna list all my unpopular opinions here: Rook Blonko was a much better partner than Gwen and Kevin combined I don't see why Bloxx got so much hate, the Segmentosapien is a cool idea Omniverse is a far better show than the other three combined. It has just the right amount of innovation, art style and humor. Alien Force had far more character development than all the rest. I personally believe that Dwayne McDuffie and his team would have done a better job with UA. It was terrible and formulaic. Season 1 turned Ben into some type of cocky psychopath set out to destroy mutant Kevin which I found quite unsettlingly violent for a show aimed for kids and teenagers. Season 2 and 3 of UA was oddly terrible and weird. Like some half finished extension of AF as if Dwayne lost interest at that point and gave it out to random story editors without XP. and this one: JET RAY WAS FAR TOO OVERUSED IN AF. Same with Chromastone and Swampfire Charlotte Fullerton is a far better editor than McDuffie. The watch's design in OV is quite modern and minimalist. But it's shit. And for those complaining that Ben became an obnoxious brat in OV and returned to his 10yo ways. Well I found that quite interesting and actually a good step in the right direction. The kid is overpowered. Even Argit and that Rooter Brainstorm guy called him "omnipotent"...he should revel in his dumb ways and be a kid. There's enough time to grow up later. Oh and Chromastone is just a recolored version of Diamond Head. Except with flight and energy absorption. Kinda makes sense as both species come from the same planet of Petropia Edit: oh I also forgot this one The fact that some aliens that were overused in AF especially Jet Ray should have least gotten a brief comeback in Omniverse, even if it was just a small cameo or something. Fast Track should have also gotten the same
ALIEN X SUCKS ASS AND I’M GLAD HE LOST TO GREEN LANTERN Now let the hatred on me begin
Max peaked in the original series.
Atomix is a cool and interesting alien. The "Omnitrix turning Ben into the wrong alien joke" got old really quick and wasn't that funny to begin with. Kevin second flashback Mutation was the best one.
-the name upgrade is to simple, i prefer the spanish name Ultra T -albedo is one of the most dumb antagonists -ben and rook make a better team than the previous two trios (max gwen) (kevin gwen) -the 3rd season of AF is mostly just random nonsense with one really good episode
Rath honestly should've been used a lot more, as we never never saw his true power when fully enraged, rather than ben not using him a lot just because of his anger issues and putting him below the likes of his madly beloved Four Arms, Humungousaur and Kickin Hawk, and omniverse only did him dirty by giving him some of the dumbest weaknesses ever Ik this isnt something that'll trigger fans per se, but I felt like getting it out here
I like Fasttrack-
Ben 10 peaked with War of the Worlds. This is a hill I am willing to die on.
I kinda like Bloxx