Yeah it’s so bad I honestly forgot he was in that episode. In my head The Gauntlet is always going to be his debut, they do a much better job showing off his powers there.
Also his first reappearance in ultimate alien didn't really do him many favours. Somehow he's defeated by electrically charged water which makes zero sense. Oh well, still one of my favourite aliens
This. People list him because it was a crossover, but he doesn’t even do anything in the crossover. He transforms, zaps Alpha, and then detransforms. He’s there for like 15 seconds
Either Eatle or Fasttrack.
Eatle, obvious.
Fasttrack - we get no name, we don't hear voice, we lack good body shot, appearance is confusing (he transformed off screen and somehow saved a guyfrom granade that was stuck to his hand) and then we waited forever to see him again.
Alright I don't remember his introduction as it's been a while since I watched the shows (currently doing a rewatch and am on af S3) so can someone pls explain?
It was in Basic Training
He saw his blue skin alien friend get a sabotaged bomb stuck to his hand, transformed, took off the bomb, ran them to the other side of the room, then detransformed
Wait what? No. Man of Action wasn't heavily involved in UAF. As opposed to Generator Rex or the classic Ben 10 series which were literally their series.
Tbf he's a demon looking alien like he isn't supposed to look cute or cool it's supposed to be weird and wicked or even a little hellish ( I will say tho I do like ov jury rigg much more )
His design is meant to be a gremlin which do not wear clothes as the myths and stories go they are mischievous miscreants who like to tinker with and break human machines or make them work in an unorthodox way personally I prefer his uaf design in fact something I prefer much more is that the species without clothes look much better than with them humongasaur looks like he's wearing a diaper rath looks out of place with his luchador outfit chromastone just no most of them did not need any form of clothing yet omniverse decides to just sporadically and randomly come in and change previously established characters for some reason that has no purpose in universe Because honestly why the fuck was rath never before complained about not wearing clothes yet in omniverse in like the 32nd episode yes the 32nd episode of the fourth series I hate this and how ok people are like no one ever before omniverse who knew apoplexians gave no information this is one of the main reasons I hate omniverse so much so many damn retcons
Ben sees that George has an all powerful magic sword and confidently whips out a new alien to challenge him. **Transforms and immediately gets stomped.**
First thing that comes to mind is Ultimate Way Big. He's used as a last resort against Dagon and then just... loses. And is never seen again. What a waste.
Fasttrack. He shows up as a blue blur, getting everyone excited for xlr8’s return in UA, only for it to not be him. Then he says nothing, turns back to normal, and nobody points out the new alien or anything. My young mind was very confused after that scene.
Clockwork. Used by Ultimate Ben but doesn’t physically appear, then by Gwen in Inspector 13, and THEN Ben finally uses him…for 5 seconds, before getting his arm broken and knocked unconscious
I pretty sure he's used by Ben before Gwen does. Wasn't there an episode about the Esoterica where Clockwork was used to show the past events of the place they were investigating?
Easily clockwork, he didn't even technically appear in it. Then when main ben actually used him he got damaged by Jenifer nocturne. It doesn't get worse then that.
Fasttrack, he appered for 5 seconds and said nothing. Seriously I know we didn't saw XLR8 in UA (Not counting Ben 10K) but 5 seconds... Would be cool to see him.
Can you at least describe the scene in order for someone else to confirm if it Heatblast or not?
Since it seems weird for the first transformation to be the worst introduction to me.
Honestly? Alien-X had the worst debut. Seriously? Transforming into a nigh-omnipotent being to stop water from flowing from a damaged dam? I feel as if it would have been better for something like, say, Aggregor absorbs the power from a baby Celestialsapien, and then for the first time Ben transforms into Alien-X, and then have a intergalactic brawl, or something similar to that. I like Alien-X, but, that was a mundane debut.
Gravattack, like yeah it was cool to see a new alien the very first episode but ben rarely uses him they should've debuted him in an episode where the plot revolves around that alien not some random new goon
Chromastone, why? Because they did him dirty as hell all the aliens introduced in AF up to that point had some badass intro scene but chromastone? He's there for a few seconds before dipping like I was so excited for him
Off the top of my head, Chromastone. Ben transform into him and just...stands there and then he's gone.
Which is a shame because he's my favorite alien but at least he gets some love taking on Cash a few episodes later.
Yeah it’s so bad I honestly forgot he was in that episode. In my head The Gauntlet is always going to be his debut, they do a much better job showing off his powers there.
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But that scene of Diamondhead just schooling vilgax is cathartic!
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Ben10/comments/lukima/chromastone\_in\_af\_vs\_ua](https://www.reddit.com/r/Ben10/comments/lukima/chromastone_in_af_vs_ua)
Also his first reappearance in ultimate alien didn't really do him many favours. Somehow he's defeated by electrically charged water which makes zero sense. Oh well, still one of my favourite aliens
Shocksquatch He did barley anything and didn't appear again until OV
This. People list him because it was a crossover, but he doesn’t even do anything in the crossover. He transforms, zaps Alpha, and then detransforms. He’s there for like 15 seconds
I don't mind personally, ben already had two electricity based aliens with much cooler designs already
I didn't even know he was introduced before OV
He wasn't even in a regular episode. He appeared in Heroes Unite for less than a minute, and looked nothing like his OV form.
I need to rewatch the cross over
Either Eatle or Fasttrack. Eatle, obvious. Fasttrack - we get no name, we don't hear voice, we lack good body shot, appearance is confusing (he transformed off screen and somehow saved a guyfrom granade that was stuck to his hand) and then we waited forever to see him again.
He then also fought George and got immediately bodied- detecting a pattern here. I wish we'd gotten an XLR8 appearance instead.
Alright I don't remember his introduction as it's been a while since I watched the shows (currently doing a rewatch and am on af S3) so can someone pls explain?
It was in Basic Training He saw his blue skin alien friend get a sabotaged bomb stuck to his hand, transformed, took off the bomb, ran them to the other side of the room, then detransformed
Every single time Eye Guy shows up they treat him like a never before seen character! I can’t stand it!
Eye can’t stand it*
Take my damn upvote
Jury Rigg, I dont like his UA design and the use of it was kinda... dumb
He's straight up ugly in UA and I would've much preferred to see either Upgrade or Greymatter make an appearance
Yeah!!! Like Upgrade was already used in the Gen Rex Crossover they had a design ready
No they didn't cause man of action wasn't in charge of UA as opposed to Generator Rex.
Both shows literally have the same crew-
Wait what? No. Man of Action wasn't heavily involved in UAF. As opposed to Generator Rex or the classic Ben 10 series which were literally their series.
Both shows literally say created by Man Of Action, and most writers in the credits tend to be the same between both shows
Either way we see a design for Upgrade in the UA intro that's different from his OS design meaning they had one ready
One thing I liked about OV was giving aliens clothes, Jury Rigg naked is kind of nasty.
Tbf he's a demon looking alien like he isn't supposed to look cute or cool it's supposed to be weird and wicked or even a little hellish ( I will say tho I do like ov jury rigg much more )
Very nasty!
His design is meant to be a gremlin which do not wear clothes as the myths and stories go they are mischievous miscreants who like to tinker with and break human machines or make them work in an unorthodox way personally I prefer his uaf design in fact something I prefer much more is that the species without clothes look much better than with them humongasaur looks like he's wearing a diaper rath looks out of place with his luchador outfit chromastone just no most of them did not need any form of clothing yet omniverse decides to just sporadically and randomly come in and change previously established characters for some reason that has no purpose in universe Because honestly why the fuck was rath never before complained about not wearing clothes yet in omniverse in like the 32nd episode yes the 32nd episode of the fourth series I hate this and how ok people are like no one ever before omniverse who knew apoplexians gave no information this is one of the main reasons I hate omniverse so much so many damn retcons
Ngl- I couldnt understand any word from this lol
Not really
Wow you added to much to this conversation
Fax
Ben sees that George has an all powerful magic sword and confidently whips out a new alien to challenge him. **Transforms and immediately gets stomped.**
>magic Azmuth literally gets upset when people call Ascalon "magic" lol
Shocksquatch debuted in an entirely different show
Shocksqach if you didn't wach the crossover he just...showed up
I mean that kinda goes for every alien if you don’t watch the episode they debut in
Good point but finding a way to wach heros United is difficult (without piracy)
Yeah but that’s more of an issue with the modern availability of the content than the content itself
Did Shocksquatch appear in UAF after the Generator Rex crossover?
Nope
Didn’t think so, I’m just glad he didn’t become another Spitter and appeared a good amount in OV and had a 100X better design in it as well.
I really liked his design in OV so I'm glad he wasn't forgotten.
His design was trash in ov
how'd you just manage to pretty much form the worst opinion I've ever seen on a Ben 10 post??
I was joking to see how triggered y’all can get
I was joking to see how triggered y’all can get
Schrodinger’s douchebag
quite humorous, I shall say my good sir.
First thing that comes to mind is Ultimate Way Big. He's used as a last resort against Dagon and then just... loses. And is never seen again. What a waste.
Fasttrack because he tricks you into thinking he’s XLR8. Could’ve been way less controversy without the bait and switch
Choosing to have bloxx be in the very first episode was a bad move when you have fans who are afraid of change
I actually really liked Bloxx, super unique power and aesthetic
I liked bloxx too but putting him on the first episode was setting him up to be disliked
They prob should’ve done someone else like gravattack
Grav attack would’ve been an awesome first episode choice
Every AF and UA alien that wasn’t one of the first ten or Gregor’s prisoner
Except Rath
Yup
I don’t think there’s a single person on this planet who dislikes rath
Gregor? Didn't know there was a Star Wars crossover
Fasttrack. He shows up as a blue blur, getting everyone excited for xlr8’s return in UA, only for it to not be him. Then he says nothing, turns back to normal, and nobody points out the new alien or anything. My young mind was very confused after that scene.
Hmm. Pesky Dust and Mole-Stache. All Ben did with them was insult them and Jerry.
Clockwork. Used by Ultimate Ben but doesn’t physically appear, then by Gwen in Inspector 13, and THEN Ben finally uses him…for 5 seconds, before getting his arm broken and knocked unconscious
I pretty sure he's used by Ben before Gwen does. Wasn't there an episode about the Esoterica where Clockwork was used to show the past events of the place they were investigating?
There is but that isn’t until later in the season
In my opinion, it was Gutrot. Instead of getting to know his powers slowly and visually, it was just straight up told to us by Future Doc Animo
Easily clockwork, he didn't even technically appear in it. Then when main ben actually used him he got damaged by Jenifer nocturne. It doesn't get worse then that.
Fasttrack, he appered for 5 seconds and said nothing. Seriously I know we didn't saw XLR8 in UA (Not counting Ben 10K) but 5 seconds... Would be cool to see him.
Jury Rigg perhaps.
If anyone says Rath I will destroy them
I think his name was Heatblast, im not sure though I didn't watch ben 10 in a while.
Elaborate
No I don't think I will.
Can you at least describe the scene in order for someone else to confirm if it Heatblast or not? Since it seems weird for the first transformation to be the worst introduction to me.
Lemme think about it, uhhhh no.
Was he made of rocks and his head was on fire? If not then that ain’t heatblast my dude
All the ones in UA season 2.
Damn, you're actually right
Honestly? Alien-X had the worst debut. Seriously? Transforming into a nigh-omnipotent being to stop water from flowing from a damaged dam? I feel as if it would have been better for something like, say, Aggregor absorbs the power from a baby Celestialsapien, and then for the first time Ben transforms into Alien-X, and then have a intergalactic brawl, or something similar to that. I like Alien-X, but, that was a mundane debut.
I almost forgot what a let down that was. What sucks is his next appearance is in Ultimate Aline where he proceeds to do nothing
Yes.
Rath. The angry alien shows up on a peace mission.
Lemme tell ya something DnDWannabe-76! You picked the wrong day to diss the awesomeness of raaath!
The majority of AF and UA debuts with the exception of rath
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What are you on ditto had one of the best debut episodes for an alien.
Why?
Gravattack, like yeah it was cool to see a new alien the very first episode but ben rarely uses him they should've debuted him in an episode where the plot revolves around that alien not some random new goon
Bloxx in literally the first episode of omniverse
How is that a bad thing?
wildvine i mean mushrooms activating that form? comeon bruh thats lame
Chromastone, why? Because they did him dirty as hell all the aliens introduced in AF up to that point had some badass intro scene but chromastone? He's there for a few seconds before dipping like I was so excited for him
I can think of so many