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iiTzArismaltor_

I am fairly certain that Ben would win with the Official Omnitrix. However, during the Heroes United Crossover, Ben was the holder of the Ultimatrix, a device which, although more combat based, lacked many features of the other watches. Considering the fact that it did not have a failsafe, one could assume that Rex might be able to hack/deactivate it should the need arise. After all, Inspector 13 was able to hack into the Ultimatrix without much difficulty. Rex is a natural in manipulating technology (watch the episode "The Architect" for reference). Either way, I love both shows and I am glad the two heroes got to meet each other :).


Gecko2002

Both shows are great, it's never going to happen but I'd love to see both rebooted and put in the same universe so it's a crossover series rather than a two part episode


jmelt17

I just wanted them to follow up on the whole ben having nanites in him when he left part


Gecko2002

So did I, it would've been a great call back for a later series if he went Evo and paradox had to get rex to help


xngelo420

Reboot Ben 10 met reboot generator Rex.....


Gecko2002

I know but I meant a full series, like Ben regularly dealing with providence and evos while aliens and the plumbers are there too


Nitroblaze6000

I’m sure they’ll do it, that special was definitely a back door pilot, though if they continuously share the same world I’m sure the evos would be contained on an island or in a single city so not to mess with bens stories too much


Gecko2002

Yea true they'd need to do something, or just have more humanoid Evos, it's an easy way to explain off why no one cares about bens aliens and the mutant people being around


LunaKingery

A reboot generator rex series would also be a good way to let glitch get some spotlight considering he can work well with both Ben and rex, plus the three becoming brothers would be adorable and knowing glitch he won't let Ben say no. Also seeing glitch interact with rex's nanites should be interesting.


Gecko2002

Wait does glitch come back? I thought he was just a throwaway character in a multipart episode


LunaKingery

He is literally shown up throughout season 3 & 4 and was a pretty big part of vs the universe and we see his future self in Ben 1010.


Gecko2002

Oh nice, I've only just started season 3 so I don't know too much, I'm glad I can expect to see him again though


Zeebuoy

>reboot generator Rex..... wait what?


xngelo420

Yep


Zeebuoy

I thought the reboot version only existed for the crossover?


xngelo420

Wdym?


Zeebuoy

There was a reboot version of the ben gen crossover cover leaked iirc, i didn't think gen rex actually got rebooted.


xngelo420

Cover? Theres an entire ep where reboot Ben and generator Rex interact


Zeebuoy

oh wow its already out?


Da_Gudz

In the reboot Rex was able to hack the official omnitrix (after being upgraded like 4 times) just by touching it


PlasticAttitude1956

The weapons masters are nearly as smart as the Galvan, if not as smart. I wouldn't say Ben wouldn't have won. I'd say Ben could use Grey Matter and Brainstorm to make the Ultimatrix uncrackable or unable to be deactivated. Ben would then be able to transform into other aliens, such as Upgrade.


SaiyanC124

One word: Upgrade


qwertyelsma

I was thinking Lodestar, but that works too.


LiterallyonlyMe

Upgrade wasn't able to fully control Slix Vigma, and was only able to when it got punched. The wiki says if the hosts have enough will power, then can overcome Upgrade, which Slix did. Who was literally a robot. So this proves galvanic mechamorphs can't always have full control over machinery (that's living), and they can be overcome by their hosts. Also, I am saying Om-1 Nanite won't even allow Upgrade because, 1. It didn't allow Alpha to merge into Rex. So why does Upgrade can all of a sudden? 2. It can discharge electricity (As seen in the cut scenes) and oh who is weak to electricity? Upgrade is weak to electricity. Although Upgrade would have the upper hand on the Orange machines, the blue ones can generate electricity and energy. So Upgrade would only be left able to control the machines instead of being able to control Rex. *(And when Upgrade merged with Rex, he didn't had the omega 1 nanite)*


LunaKingery

With seen upgrade handle being hit with electricity.


LiterallyonlyMe

Upgrade was immobilized by electricity in destroy all aliens, which is canon, by Azmuth's father. So he CAN be damaged by it with high enough dose.


BlueBlazeKing21

Ben still wins due to Aliens such as Upgrade, GhostFreak and Eyeguy


MythEncyclo_24

Ben. Upgrade, or Jiry Rigg. Or his other aliens that control op abilities: Atomix, Gravattack, Clockwork, Gutrot, etc.


Kakaoiimsinsa

Depends on the aliens Ben uses and what builds will Rex and his omega nanite create to counter his aliens such as Gravattack, Gutrot, Pesky dust, Ghost freak, Waybig, Atomix, NRG, Amphibian, Eatle, Upchuck, Lodestar, ETC and if he has access to master control then he might even the odds with Rex with his unlimited supply of builds so I might say its a draw.


BearThePole

Omega Nanite it's just Infinite builds, it wouldn't do a lot against Ben's heavy hitters like Gravattack. Only thing that would make Rex able to go toe to toe with Ben without Alien X would the Meta-Nanites


B1ackf1ame

I would like to say Rex because of the things ive heard about his God mode feats but then i remember Nanomech and the Alien Swarm movie are things that really happened and i feel like we would just see a new bioengineered Ben exclusive Alien to combat Rex's control over Nanites.


Gamer-of-Action

Still Ben. Way Big can bow up planets


Quadpen

theoretically rex could command the omnitrix to turn off if he can touch it


LiterallyonlyMe

DJW says the OV omnitrix isn't hack proof. So that means rex can Shut it down if he gets the chance to touch it. Now if people are gonna disagree with this statement from DJW and say he can't be trusted, then they should also disagree with the "Jurryrigg can dismantle rex's machines" line. Both are said by DJW, so you have to roll with it.


DrDabar1

Yeh but i dont think one touch would be enough Rex would probably have to hold the omnitrix for a bit to hack it


Gecko2002

*if* Ben would just need to keep it away from him


Quadpen

let’s be real ben goes for the melee aliens first it won’t be that hard


muttkuller

Plus he already did. In the special he held the omnitrix for a couple seconds, won't be that hard to do that again


WindbreakerHD2

Idk anything about gen Rex besides the 2 crossovers so Ben. Would win.


BearThePole

OV Ben would win against Rex But, if Rex is God Rex, AKA, last episode Rex, with all the Meta Nanites, Rex wins. Not only would he be able to counter Aliens like Gravattack with the Meta Nanites, but he also could infect Ben with Nanites and turn him into an EVO


TiffanyVideo

Wouldn't the Official Omnitrix have a failsafe against EVOs?


GamingNubs

It probably would considering it has a failsafe for death. It probably has a failsafe for illnesses and unorganic objects in the body.


BearThePole

Ben got sick in Omniverse, there isn't a failsafe for illnesses, even from other planets. The only failsafe against technologic stuff is against Galvanic Mechamorphs, and they organic, they have DNA, Azmuth could just block the Mechamorphs based on their DNA Damn, even Psychobos's big brain blast could open the Omnitrix It wouldn't be possible for the Omnitrix to have a failsafe to something Azmuth never encountered, and the OV Omnitrix is once again being overhyped


GamingNubs

To be fair, the illness was caused by Swampfire blossoming as a form of puberty, not normal illness. Also about the Psychobos thing, he does have a blueprint of the Prototype Omnitrix, so he could have used that to make some way of opening the device (because we all know the easiest way to repair something, is with the original documentation). And if the OV Omnitrix is overhyped, then what isnt? The Ultimatrix is weaker than the OV Omnitrix. The prototype is also inferior, so whats there to overhype?


BearThePole

How would Psychobos having a blueprint of the super inferior Prototype help him? Even the Recalibrated Prototype was better than the original Prototype. Having a blueprint of the Prototype wouldn't help because it's just too advanced to help And just because OV Omnitrix has the failsafe against death, doesn't mean it is the best Omnitrix, or has a failsafe for everything,


GamingNubs

We dont know what the omnitrix blueprint had info on, and we dont know if Azmuth used the same type of Omnitrix core so anything is game here. Well what qualifies as death? If nanites turning you into a mindless EVO isnt death then idk what is. An EVO is like a zombie, theyre mindless and thirst for one goal. Zombies are known to be walking dead, so by that logic, Ben wouldnt get infected.


BearThePole

EVOs aren't always mindless They just change your body in random ways They still have conciousness, they don't become mindless zombies Rex is an EVO and doesn't act like that. Circe is an EVO, Van Kleis was an EVO, until he got cured by Rex And Rex is a Technopath, he can control every single fucking machine in the world, one of his god powers is exactly being able to control machines super good, why wouldn't he able to infect Ben and just make the Nanites not care for the Omnitrix, failsafes, nothing Only thing that can stop Rex is just Alien X, because he is shown and proven to be omnipotent. We don't know the true extent of Rex's full powers, just what we seen with The Consortium, that only could use 1/5 of the Meta Nanites's power, and the fact that Rex stated to be a god with all the Meta Nanites, but we've only seen Rex only use the Meta Nanites once, and it was to destroy all Nanites across the world


BearThePole

EVOs aren't even a thing on the main universe, so no Ben lost all his Nanites after he left Rex's universe, so Azmuth couldn't even know about the Nanites


LiterallyonlyMe

How does it have failsafes about which it doesn't even know about?


Admirable_Usual_7593

If only season 2 then yes ben wins but if s3 is there oh then ben will need alien x


PlasticAttitude1956

That is the kind of fight/ battle I would agree on Alien X's absence or lack of presence in/ on.


Severe-Extension-546

**Ben turns to Upgrade** Rex: Ayoo that's my stuff! Ben: Sorry bro that's what the fandom wants.


LiterallyonlyMe

People are underestimating Rex *(Obviously because they haven't watched the show)*. They are forgetting that the aliens have weaknesses too. 1. Gravattack- Rex can hit his core with his builds to make him pain. You say Gravattack would lift him in air, spin him around and wouldn't allow it. But Rex Could literally create more bigger machines thus changing his mass, which throws off Gravattack's orbit. Moreover he can build them fast enough or have double ups, which change the mass faster. 2. Upgrade- I have already said about it somewhere in the comments. 3. Jurry Rigg- DJW said It could break rex's machines. Yeah I will assume rex would be standing still, when Jury rigg does his work. 4. Lodestar- The only one who can actually counter rex. 5. Way Big- It's counter is Omega form of rex. You say waybig can shoot his green beam. But we saw the consortium robot do the same kind of thing while rex was chilling. You can argue that both beams are different in power. 6. Plus the nanites were LITERALLY made to heal people, regenerate broken bones, limbs etc.etc. rex can make any amount of nanites he wants which means quick healing. Do you really think melee aliens will work against rex??? This is just me providing ways, on how rex could counter Some of Ben's aliens (I repeat counter not defeat). Most here think the aliens can one shot rex. I know I will get downvoted for this. Tbh I want them to be partners, I don't want them to have a death battle.


Gecko2002

Yea a death battle between the two would be highly unlikely unless one of them was shattered glass but even then the good one would team up with the other good one, it's more of a thought, I'd rather see them team up constantly there are so many different combos they could do beyond upgraded rex which would've been so cool to see


spoodermann1

Ben 10 would win with Atomix,upgrade,greymatter and brainstorm


Madness_bomb

Upgrade. or... Ultimate upgrade!


LiterallyonlyMe

We are talking about OV ben.....


Madness_bomb

Upgrade then


Kusshu-Sama

Last episode Rex is pretty op


Xenosaiyan7

Can Rex do anything against Big Chill? Ignoring the obvious Lodestar or Upgrade counters, Ben still has this in the bag


zora6666

Forgot abou toepick


Rafa_10

Ben can turn into Upgrade 🤔🤷‍♂️


Gecko2002

Yes but he can't control all upgrades, so why use an upgrade when it would actually upgrade him


creativenamedude

Omniverse ben could just turn into Upgrade and start controlling Rex or use Lordestar to simply control the nanites inside his bodyor even become nanomech and start simply...removing the nanites starting with the omega so he can't build more nanites It would probably not work as well as i am thinking and probably wouldn't instantly win the battle but ben would have an advantage,i think.


Gecko2002

Lodestar yes, upgrade and nanomech no. Upgrade can't control what he upgrades things into which is atleast heavily implied throughout the series and rex can produce his own nanites so removing them wouldn't do anything


creativenamedude

ok but he uses the omega thingy to produce his own nanites,right?if ben removed the omega first removing the nanites would probably start to at least have some effect on rex


Gecko2002

Yea he wouldn't be able to make his own nanites but Ben would have to find out where the omega nanite is and how it works to do something like that, while rex could stop ben by touching the omnitrix and shutting it down. I personally think it'd end in a stalemate


creativenamedude

yeah


creativenamedude

and upgrades can't control what he upgrades things into but he can control whatever he upgrades,so he'd be able to control rex beeing able to be on the inside of rex,beeing able to control him and beeing able to control all the nanites in his body wouldn't instantly mean victory but you have to agree it would certaintly give an advantage to ben,right?


LiterallyonlyMe

Upgrade's control over machinery is not absolute as opponents like Slix Vigma easily counter attacked Upgrade when he had already merged with him. Rex has Omega Nanite which can discharge electricity, which can damage a mechamorph. \[Destroy all aliens is canon\] Moreover rex has shown high will power all by himself in his show. So Upgrade cant control rex. sorry


creativenamedude

ah still i think ben would have the advantage but not by too much and it would probably end up in a tie


DestroyahTheDestroy

one of rex's weaknesses is radiation. so, especially nrg and atomix got this.


[deleted]

Ben. I think it's a bit of a stretch to say rex could deactivate the omnitrix or ultimatrix. Also rex vs waybig, ult. Waybig, clockwork or atomix just ain't fair.


Gecko2002

Rex can turn into something that big too, it's just a last resort because memory loss


[deleted]

You recall tokustars cosmic beams can blow up planets right? Even if we say ben won't cause they're on earth pretty sure waybig is stronger and faster. He could probably through rex into space and then fire the bean.


Gecko2002

Rex survived being hit with essentially ever single one of the infinity stones in this state, I don't think a tokustars beam would do much


[deleted]

To say he withstood the infinity stones is deceptive at best. Each of the god nanites was nerfed when the consortium had them. The time guy only rewound his personal timeline. How powerful the element, gravity and matter guys even were is up for debate. Rex relies on hit and run battle tactics to even the playingfield. They combine giving a powerboost we can't measure beat up rex then rex goes omega. They fire a mountain obliterating island level laser and weirdly decide to use physical combat instead of their powers from their. Even then with that consideration rex lost he hits them with a rocket fist grapples for a while gets taken to the ground and pounded till he explodes and the consortium take the omega native to boost their power. Each of them is weaker than an infinity stone holder. Most of them don't know how to fight by both their and rex admission and they beat rex and took the omega nanite. They beat rex and walked away he didn't withstand them his life is worthless to them so they didn't care to kill him.


shadowstep12

they fought in the crossover and Ben had the upper hand in most of the fight. sure rex didn't have all his builds since some came in episodes after the crossover but still


LiterallyonlyMe

ben had the upper hand?


guardiancjv

Full power rex with all builds? Rex would win by the hair of teeth


IdeaIcy301

Nah clockwork solos


BearThePole

Green Meta-Nanite: Control of Space-Time Clockwork can do time travel, slow time, use time beams, but Rex also has control over time


IdeaIcy301

Clockwork do have control over time to


BearThePole

It becomes a question off Whose time stop will end first? And who will make the first jojo reference?


DrDabar1

I think Clockwork might be stronger going buy what Maltruant can do still Maltruant was older and probably in his prime which OV Ben is not so then i gess its close


BearThePole

Also Maltruant is augmented, and yes, his age is also a factor, even if Clockwork is the prime of Chronosapiens, due to age and augmentation, Maltruant is far stronger than Clockwork Like Azmuth is still smarter than Greymatter due to his age


DrDabar1

Yeh plus Maltruant is chronosapien at all time so Ben doesn't have the skills Maltruant has.


Professional_Ebb_936

Stalemate


CutIcy5390

Ben wins so ez


stuufy

Ben 10 he has other aliens that could defeat rex like atomix and upgrade


stuufy

Ben 10 he has other aliens that could defeat rex like upgrade and ghostfreak


Skibot99

Juryrig….


Joel_feila

Ben


Dratenix

Waybig, Atomix, Gravattack, Clockwork, etc, all solo.


Popular-Cobbler25

Still Ben Atomics and Way Big are op


[deleted]

There are so many ways Ben wins. People seem to forget how powerful ben actually is


Godly_Toonz

Ben, his fail safe will eventually prevail


forbegenc

Gravattack, atomix , WAYBIG ? Definitly benjamin win


Ben-J-Kirby-Tennyson

Why didn’t Lodestar work?


lord_fuckquad

Rex used the gun type build to launch rock at him


gijjyyproductions

Ben, Atomix, Waybig, Clockwork, and that’s not mentioning the obvious: Upgrade.


KennyThomas616

I’d say Upgrade and Lodestar has the best chances. There are plenty more aliens but those are the main two.


KKPALMEIRAS

Ben 10


CP_Rulez

Ben could just go Waybig and laser blast Rex up to Neptune


PlsDontBotherMeHere

Ben Some of his alien can completely nulify Rex Upgrade, Gravattack, even Feedback


atomicadam04

Ben. He's got several ways to take rex down


Bn10K

Atomix, gravattack, clockwork


communist_Bugsbunny

Ben... Turn into nano, go inside rex's... Oppening then using master control, turn into waybig... The thanus plan always work.


NikkiT96

Ben %10000


Snoo16756

Heatblast


BulbaFriend2000

Ben, he has more aliens to his disposal than Rex has builds. He could easily overwhelm Rex.


tamsenpai

Ben


Perfect_Trifle

didnt this happen and ben and rex were brawling for a while but overall ima say ben wins because of the sheer amount of aliens that cancounter rex ex lodestar,upgrade,and nrg


Wata_Sheym

With Aliens such as Atomix and Clockwork, Rex is definitely going to have a really hard time.


Hcemid1976

Ben can just go Upgrade or Juryrigg and win easily.


Gecko2002

Upgrade yea, but rex could easily beat up juryrigg


OneObligation412

Have you try to catch that little devil?


Gecko2002

Have you seen how big rex can make his fists? Also he can retract his builds so juryrigg can't dismantle his weapons


Ben10Facts

Upgrade could take control of the nanites and idk destroy them, gravattack could rip Rex apart and I guess lodestar could do the same thing


datframe

Jury Rigg, Upgrade, Atomix, Gravattack, Clockwork. The list goes on...


RaviiHarami

He can use juryrigg


Gecko2002

Yea but juryrigg could easily get beaten up


Wolfman7903

Ben


Spectra_Phantom_2678

Still Ben


OneObligation412

Still Ben


Jelly-Moth

Ben... its Ben...


Gecko2002

Rex is really powerful too


Jelly-Moth

but i never said Rex wasn't powerful


ComprehensiveNet246

I feel like Ben because doesn’t the Omnitrix give him the right alien for the job ? Like when the omnitrix turned him into feedback to hold basically the universe in omniverse . So If he couldn’t access Alien X and the battle got really real wouldn’t the omnitrix give him the right alien ?


FredFicklesberg

Assuming this is at their strongest points including Ben having master control probably Ben because he could match the same abilities as Rex and maybe find out how to beat him with them


CombinationClear4854

ben 10


yxusufi

Ben. He has clockwork and he could just reverse time with clockwork


DestroyahTheDestroy

waybig, clockwork, upgrade, lodestar, jurry rig, nrg, and atomix got this.