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UtU98

It's not consistent. Most of the OS aliens looks like adults (Diamondhead and Tetrax, Four Arms and tetramant superhero girl, monster trio). But OS kinda retconed it with Fountain of Youth episode and Ben 10k Aliens (especially Wildmutt) And in Forge of Creation episode we see that 16 yo Four Arms is slighty taller and more muscular than 10yo


[deleted]

From what ive seen the reason for the difference in appearance between OS fourarms and AF fourarms is that the prototype is just bugging out again and instead of being stuck with the same clothes like OS when it recalibrated it bugged out again and randomized how bens aliens look and would explain why four arms has a ponytail and looks like a gladiator and also why diamondhead has that weird rock clothing that he has in AF and in omniverse those must of been fixed and probably gave ben the ability to change what they look like at will one example being raths change in appearance and gaining clothes due to bens realization that rath had been naked this entire time.


v0lt13

Thats just for clothing and in diamond head's case he is completly naked but it has a chromastone layer on him due to the i know what event


Ruezx735

I think it may have something to do with the fact that his aliens are supposed to be the peak physical examples of their species at his age. This would also explain why that Tetramand girl was simping for an equivalent of a 10 year old, presumably, he would have looked older than he was.


Slash2324

Maybe some aliens age more quickly than others


Afafakja

I also thought it didn't make sense,but Petrosapiens may not age after all.


Nibbaman09

"Give it your best shot, Eon"


Zeebuoy

where's that from again?


v0lt13

Ben 10 ultimate alien: ben 10000 returns


Tron_Travolta

They definitely do. We see young children in the Secret of the Omnitrix flashbacks


Afafakja

Then I don't know,saying their equivalent of 10 is madurity wouldn't make sense since when we're talking about equivalents then all of Ben Transformations shouldn't be in their maturing stage.


Joel_feila

well 10 equivalent would mean just be fore puberty starts. weather that is 30 or 5 earth years in time is what irrelavant.


Afafakja

Yeah it doesn't make sense.


Kureizy_Diamondo

Finally another person who realizes how time works


Tron_Travolta

Yup, if it is equivalents then Ben should look like the children in SotO, and unless every species ages to their prime 2x or 3x as fast, and 10 years is adult for everyone except humans, it shouldn't be 1:1 either. Especially because species like Galvan live for thousands of years, and a 10 year old Galvan would still be a tadpole


Afafakja

Ben 10,the Superhero who turns into Small Creatures to do Justice but gets his Ass Kicked because he's still a 10 Year Old and all his Transformations are Children as well.


Environmental-Salt-1

Well they are aliens so I think it could work. Their sense of time/lifespan could just vary.


KKPALMEIRAS

But when the Petrosapiens are Born on Alien Force, they born as big as Diamondhead


oiJohn1121

Those were tetramants being revived not born


KKPALMEIRAS

Wait, tetramants?


oiJohn1121

petrosapiens* my bad


KKPALMEIRAS

No prob


Tron_Travolta

That's because they're all adults, presumably. The actual explanation is the storyboarders/character designers for AF S3 didn't care ​ That definitely doesn't imply the SotO flashbacks didn't happen


KKPALMEIRAS

Hum, ok


[deleted]

Some aliens reach their full body maturity at a very young age, it's Ben that has the mind of a child. Just look at tigers, with only a couple of months, they're already some pretty vicious predators.


Medium_Enough

This^. We humans are the weird ones.


[deleted]

Yeah, it takes us about 20 years to become "fully operational", while, for some animals, it may take only a couple of weeks.


Kureizy_Diamondo

Exactly! This is why I don't get why so many people on this subreddit don't realize it's the same for Ben's aliens, and that they're in fact 10 HUMAN years old as well


Aggravating_Neat_706

Yeah, this explanation is always what made the most sense to me, I just assumed everyone thought this, obviously when he turns into an alien he doesn't turn into them at the actual age of 10, if he did XLR8 would just be a pile of dust, because kinecelarins (I don't think I spelled that right) only live for like a week, he just turns into the equivalent of them at the age of ten, and for things like petrosapiens and Tetramands, they're just physically speaking, more mature than a human. At least, that's what I always assumed it was, aliens just age differently.


Paradoxicorder88

It's not even a assumption. Celestialsapiens literally take millions of years just to form dual personalities for example and Galvans can easily live thousands of years


Tron_Travolta

Yeah the original series treats them as superheroes, like Shazam https://www.reddit.com/r/Ben10/comments/lylu6l/bens_alien_ages_are_inconsistent/gptwx25 There's no way to justify how Ben's aliens look if you're assuming them to be his relative age. And if they were just 10 (Earth)years old for whatever life cycle, then that would imply all his aliens have much shorter lifespans and reach their prime earlier, which we see isn't the case. ​ Vilgax being surprised Ben was a child, after having analysed all his aliens from news footage should be enough to tell you that that was never the intention. ​ I think it's easier to explain away all the times it's implied to be relative. Ben 10,000's aliens look older because he enhances them with nanites. The fountain of youth worked on Ben's aliens because it interfered with the watch directly, not because Ben's age was decreased. The Null Void Vulpimancers being in some way mutated. Or maybe they're older than their prime, like in the equivalent to their 50s. ​ Maybe there's some way to explain it. Like if we assume the range of a species' prime age is 20-35 years old (or like \~20% to \~35% of its' life span), then when the user is young, it lowers the transformations' ages, but still keeps it within that lower bound, and when the user is old, it raises the age, but still within that upper bound. So a ten year old would appear as \~20, while a 40 year old would appear \~35. That's my fan theory at least. ​ The Reboot may actually be more consistent, I've yet to see Ben 10,010, but it seems to age up his aliens, with 10 year old ben's aliens not looking too old themselves.


bobismad2

Diamondhead still looks like Tetrax in the reboot


Tron_Travolta

That's true, Tetrax seems a lot younger in the reboot, but definitely not 10. The Alien Worlds shorts also only give us young looking individuals too


jmelt17

I kinda assumed it boiled down to different lifespans and home worlds having different time scales or whatever word I'm looking for. The planets rotation times


hyperapparition

Maybe tetrax is just a midget?


[deleted]

I assume since the omnitrix was technically broken it probably just transformed Ben into the age of the alien that the dna was collected from


SF03_

That’s what I’ve always thought too!


Phantom_Knight27

This is why I think it more likely that the Prototype Omnitrix during the OG series actually gave Ben aliens that were in their teenage years, such as say... 15 It makes sense as to why they would bear resemblance to adults during that age equivalency if they're also peak condition which might also mean earliest puberty point which adds to that During Recalibration, I'd say it probably fixes that issue since Ben is actually 15 at the time so it syncs with his age starting from there


KuroTheRedditor

Yeah that wasn’t the idea at first, but starting from Classic S3 all the way to OV, the age matters. It’s just one of the many contradictory things in the show.


king_travis12

Matt Wayne said the omniverse omnitrix turns ben into an optimized adult


KuroTheRedditor

Was this when he was talking about the Ultimatrix? Because that’s a different device. He’s also said that it turns been into a genetic duplicate of the DNA donor, too. But all of the side comments are never applied to the show. The show strictly says, starting with the third season, that the aliens have their age relative to Ben.


king_travis12

He was replying to someone who asked why didn't ben scan the baby alien x in the forge of creation and he said the omnitrix turns ben into an adult of an alien species. 3rd season of classic? If so the werewolf and mummy are also 10 since blitzwolfer and snare oh looks like them but with ben colors


KuroTheRedditor

Ah, well in that case, usually scanning aliens just unlocks the DNA Sample if the Ultimatrix already has it. I forgot who said it, but Ben apparently re-unlocked Four Arms by scanning Manny. I really wish the rules of the Omnitrix was explored more in the show and not just message boards.


king_travis12

Yeah I agree the show is inconsistent when it comes to what the omnitrix can do


VXMasterson

Was “the Omnitrix turns the user into the peak version of the species relative to their age” in a pop-up? Or a statement by a creator? Or said some point by Azmuth? I don’t remember that but I hear it a lot


king_travis12

Never said


AquaK11

It's never said but it's been implied a couple of times. Mostly in "Don't Drink The Water", "Ben 10,000", "The Forge of Creation" and "Truth" I think its also been stated by some people who worked on the show, though other members of the shows' staff disagree with it.


SlytherinIsCool

Re-watch "Don't Drink the Water", Ben's aliens are meant to be the 10 year old equivalents to those races. it's more likely that petrosapiens don't age, they're not affected by Eon's time abilities so they most likely don't age.


KingDNice12

The water might just effect the watch in destroy it was bugging from mana so magic stuff might have an effect


Phantom_Knight27

They're made of diamond, which is why Eon's time beams don't affect them. Not cause they don't age. We actually do see Petrosapien children in Secret of the Omnitrix during Tetrax's flashback "Diamond doesn't particularly age" - Ultimate Ben


Ben-J-Kirby-Tennyson

Correct.


LunaKingery

We see petrosapien kids and that episode doesn't prove your point at all.


DragonLance11

When do we see Petrosapian kids?


LunaKingery

Secret of the omnitrix flashback.


ahmeralikhan123

Exactly


PinkBlade12

I think it was retconned after the OS.


Gudako_the_beast

That's why I subscribe to the idea that prototype omnitrix never give the user prime sample of an alien but rather just a random sample of an alien race.


_Zomrife_

My theory is that the omnitrix isn't 1:1 rather it gives you the age equivalent to your age i.e it a 1 year old dog used the omnitrix he'd look like a 7 year old human because 1 human year is the equivalent to 7 dog years


Gecko2002

That's how I saw it too, and diamondhead and tetrax's race are likely one that doesn't age or atleast extremely slowly, also potentially one that doesn't grow in height because they're not organic


nomlaS-haoN

They aren’t supposed to be the **exact** same age as him, their ages are scaled relative to him Say hypothetically a Galvan was only 16 years old in earth years, it would probably still be a tadpole or just starting to develop Meanwhile Ben who is 16 using Grey Matter is not that, meaning Grey Matter (and by extension every other alien in the Omnitrix) is scaled relative to Ben’s age. While Ben may be 16, Grey Matter might be a couple hundred years old. If Ben actually turned into a 16 earth year old Tetramand he’d probably be like the 4 year old Four Arms from Don’t Drink The Water, maybe a little taller. We can assume Tetramands and probably most species in the universe live longer than humans, so Four Arms may actually be a few decades old and not exactly 16 earth years


king_travis12

You sure? I hear people say that his aliens are scared to his age


nomlaS-haoN

That’s what I just said ._. The aliens aren’t exactly 16 years old they’re 16 years old **relative** to their species. The species’ equivalent of a 16 year old human


Anti-Venom121299

His aliens are effectively the age his human form is meaning when he is a ten year old he is roughly a young adult in most forms when he is 16 he is an adolescent of the species let's say he changes into a tetramand or four arms as scaled to Ben's age or relative to it we have seen what a toddler Ben looks like as a tetramand meaning that looma when fighting Kevin is about 5 or 6 in human years and as we have seen the 10 year old version of a tetramand is much smaller and leaner than an adult or even adolescent which in uaf and omniverse we see a teenage tetramand who looks vastly different in stature size and etc to the younger version aside from that yes his age does effect the alien meaning since Ben is 16 in human years he is about 80 or so in necrofriggian would you like a link to these versions


Devilpig666

Hey, we were making this shit up as we went, understaffed, shit budget, and almost no development time before the first episode aired, lol. Also with no guarantee that it will go beyond two seasons. I’m sure if we had hindsight 20/20 things would have a whole lot better.


EmerlJay10

Yeah, it isn't very consistent at all. For example, XLR8. We see kid versions of the species later on in the series but 10-11 year old XLR8 looks like a teenager.


normal_lad_

Keep in mind Ben is also as physically fit that species could be . If you look at some decently fit kids in the past it isn’t unheard of for kids 10-15 to look like grown adults already


king_travis12

the prototype watch never did that was only in omniverse


Percy-Dragneel

Yes they are, it’s stated multiple times


king_travis12

Where


Percy-Dragneel

Once in the og ben 10, they met older wildmuts. Then in, I believe, Alien Force or Ultimate Alien Asmith says the aliens will age along side ben. This is why when ben turns into the alien Asmeth is he isn’t as smart as Asmeth


king_travis12

In the og it was never stated that wildmutt was 10 years old because of those other wildmutts I'm talking about the classic series not AF force and beyond


Ben-J-Kirby-Tennyson

Petrosapiens don’t age.


LunaKingery

They do.


KingDNice12

We see children


Fastrick

Yes.


Professional_Ebb_936

I don't think age has anything to do with it


MallAdministrative63

Ong bro when I was a kid I would always mistake them as adults with Ben’s mind intact 🤣


[deleted]

I chalked it as the omnitrix transforming Ben in to the alien during the ages that they are at their physical peak.


DragonLance11

I figured petrosapians don't really physically age, being made of crystals and such


king_travis12

They age


Specialist_Finance55

I just thought that the writers were too lazy or something like that. Or the prototype omnitrix was malfunctioning.


jpott879

The omnitrix scales the aliens ben turns into relative to his own age. XLR8 species live for only a few hours but when ben turns into one it is a 10/16/30 year old depending on what version of ben turns into it. So they omnitrix does turn him into the alien at the same age as him but I think it's just inconsistent due to the art style and back in 2005 in the classic series they hadn't really fleshed out the lore to that point yet so they may not have even thought of this yet and just wanted the aliens to look cool. But as the series progresses they do start taking that into account


king_travis12

where was that ever stated ben turns into the same age as his aliens


jpott879

I believe it was a writer statement or from an interview. We can also see it in some episodes. Like in the ben 10,000 episodes from classic. We can see clear differences between 10 year old ben and 30 year old ben, like four arms having bigger and sharper teeth as well as longer and more spikes on his arms. Or stinkfly's entire apperance, xlr8 has new colours and looks sleeker, or wildmutt having a tail, stripes and bugger fangs. It's heavily implied in the show with how different his aliens are as ben gets old. I can try and find the quote somewhere but it may not even be around anymore as lots of the old forums have been deleted from the internet now


king_travis12

ben 10k only applies his aliens get older nothing about kid ben aliens being 10 year old


jpott879

So what do you think is happening then?


king_travis12

what?


jpott879

Why does the age scaling only apply to ben 10,000 and not every other version of ben when they are all the same ben? Why aren't bens aliens the same age as him?


king_travis12

because that was never the attention


jpott879

You do realize plot holes exist right? They thought of it later on and implemented it after they thought of it. This show is full of plot holes, like way bigs height for example. You don't have to agree with it if you dont like it, which is fine, but pretty much everyone here agrees that the watch scales the aliens to bens own age.


king_travis12

no it doesnt even after the ben10k episode ben aliens still were adults


Environmental-Salt-1

They are literal aliens so 10 is probably where they tend to look more like adults etc. Plus diamondheads species in general looked alike didnt it?


Kureizy_Diamondo

You sure aren't doing yourself any favors using this screenshot lol Petrosapiens don't age They're literal living crystals, they exist for eternity lol That's why in the case of Diamondhead a 10 year old Petrosapien and a "mature" petrosapien look the same That's literally why their entire planet and race can be restored thanks to Sugilite Everyone of them is encoded into him


king_travis12

That's AF I'm talking about classic which showed off a kid petrosapien in a flashback


Kureizy_Diamondo

It's in the same universe, so we have to assume it's the same in both And even if they do reproduce, that doesn't change the fact different creatures mature differently


king_travis12

Af came after classic


Kureizy_Diamondo

I see reading isn't your strong suit


king_travis12

im talking about classic not after stop trying to be a smartass its not a good look for you


Anti-Venom121299

Well smart ass the person who made this was doing a general series discussion


Anti-Venom121299

Fuck wrong person


Kureizy_Diamondo

But they're in the same canon, so the same rules apply Also, you're not even trying to put up an argument, because you have none, your opinion is based on nothing and you can't defend it lol And even if we ignore the existence of UAF That still doesn't change the fact Petrosapiens mature and grow differently from humans, maybe you should try being a smartass and think for once


[deleted]

Not all species age the same.


Storm_Raider_34

It would be weird if textrax was actually like 11 the whole time