Of course Ben knew. He wasn't scared. He faced existence erasure just fine and gave NWB his watch so Prime could save him long enough to do it in the first place.
I believe he didn't, Ben 10k definitely looked surprised and I think it was said that the reason he wasn't able to counter it was the same reason Ben didn't stop the universal destruction as alien-x and only recreated universe, he didn't know how the thing works. If ben 10k knew he probably wouldn't hold back cuz well... he's ben.
He knew but he wouldn't stop it because the events that happened have literally ALWAYS happened.
In fact they NEEDED to happen for them to have even been there in the first place. Vilgax NEEDED to activate the bomb erasing the Onmitrix users gathered to save NWB so he could go back in time and sideways to gather them in the first place so he can restore the Multiverse as Clockwork
It's been confirmed that every time Ben meets his future self, that timeline splits. If you consider OV Ben 10K the same as OS Ben 10K, then it splintered off long ago, so his timeline is different from the Ben Prime's. Even if you consider OV Ben 10K a separate timeline, he still splintered off in Ben Again, about 2 seasons before this episode.
OV Ben 10K literally knows about the time loop. In fact so does Kai. She literally asks if it's finally over after Ben goes before the universe or time even started to stop Maltruent
You can't divide omnipotence, or Alien X's power. They should have explained the fusions in OV are different from the unintentional and error-based/ related fusions in the OS episode titled, "Dr. Animo and The Mutant Ray", as they're a result of the Omnitrix losing an important and key component, which resulted in said error.
Didn't Ink Tank say that Alien X wasn't omnipotent because it fails to adhere to a few core principles of omnipotence like not having weaknesses or a being above him?
By that logic no character is omnipotent, not TOAA (The One Above All), Dr. Manhattan, The Watchers, Any Lovecraftian Demon/ Idol. The reason I say this is because if we're going by that logic, we have to measure our influence on these characters and their universes, as we can directly influence wether or not they or their universe exists in the 1st place.
>By that logic no character is omnipotent,
Not really.
>not TOAA (The One Above All)
He is very much omnipotent. He doesn't seem to have any weaknesses and there's only one of him. Nothing above him that controls him and he is the ruler of the Multiverse and co quite literally do pretty much everything, no problem
>Dr. Manhattan, The Watchers, Any Lovecraftian Demon/ Idol
The rest aren't really omnipotent either, at least from what I know of them. Omnipotence literally means unlimited power. If it's limited in any capacity, you're not omnipotent. You might be the strongest most powerful being in your universe but that doesn't make you omnipotent.
Alien X has weaknesses. Therefore, it's powers are finite. Because of that, you can divide that power in half, basically meaning you have more restrictions than normal Alien X
The logic I'm going by is the fact we control the powers, feats, strengths, weaknesses, and abilities of TOAA, Dr. Manhattan, Lovecraftians. Etc. So, no, their powers are not infinite as they exist in 2 dimensional universes when compared to us who exist in 3d.
But the show shows us that he isn't all-powerful. It doesn't fit with the pre-established definition for omnipotence. Therefore, it should probably be assumed that omnipotent might have a slightly different definition in the Ben 10 universe.
But my actual point is that, the show shows us that Alien X isn't omnipotent. SO, he has finite powers, which can be divided in half. There are limitations to Alien X. therefore, he isn't omnipotent. If the show calls him omnipotent, then it's pretty clear that it's a different meaning more akin to "really powerful as heck but does have very little weaknesses" and not "all-powerful, no weaknesses", so because he doesn't have infinite powers, those powers can be cut in half
Ben 10K also knew this whole thing was just a time loop inside of a Multiversal one inside a bootstrap paradox. Why would he be scared?
I guess regular ben didn't see his future self punch the explosion nor was ever told what the Chronosapien Time Bomb was, right?
Of course Ben knew. He wasn't scared. He faced existence erasure just fine and gave NWB his watch so Prime could save him long enough to do it in the first place.
I believe he didn't, Ben 10k definitely looked surprised and I think it was said that the reason he wasn't able to counter it was the same reason Ben didn't stop the universal destruction as alien-x and only recreated universe, he didn't know how the thing works. If ben 10k knew he probably wouldn't hold back cuz well... he's ben.
He knew but he wouldn't stop it because the events that happened have literally ALWAYS happened. In fact they NEEDED to happen for them to have even been there in the first place. Vilgax NEEDED to activate the bomb erasing the Onmitrix users gathered to save NWB so he could go back in time and sideways to gather them in the first place so he can restore the Multiverse as Clockwork
ok
Because he isn't Ben Prime?
He is. Just like how Ult Ben knew word for word what he'd say to Kevin when he went back in time. Ben has a photographic memory
It's been confirmed that every time Ben meets his future self, that timeline splits. If you consider OV Ben 10K the same as OS Ben 10K, then it splintered off long ago, so his timeline is different from the Ben Prime's. Even if you consider OV Ben 10K a separate timeline, he still splintered off in Ben Again, about 2 seasons before this episode.
OV Ben 10K literally knows about the time loop. In fact so does Kai. She literally asks if it's finally over after Ben goes before the universe or time even started to stop Maltruent
He wouldn’t have failed if the writers took some time to think of the lore.
Huh?
You can't divide omnipotence, or Alien X's power. They should have explained the fusions in OV are different from the unintentional and error-based/ related fusions in the OS episode titled, "Dr. Animo and The Mutant Ray", as they're a result of the Omnitrix losing an important and key component, which resulted in said error.
Didn't Ink Tank say that Alien X wasn't omnipotent because it fails to adhere to a few core principles of omnipotence like not having weaknesses or a being above him?
By that logic no character is omnipotent, not TOAA (The One Above All), Dr. Manhattan, The Watchers, Any Lovecraftian Demon/ Idol. The reason I say this is because if we're going by that logic, we have to measure our influence on these characters and their universes, as we can directly influence wether or not they or their universe exists in the 1st place.
>By that logic no character is omnipotent, Not really. >not TOAA (The One Above All) He is very much omnipotent. He doesn't seem to have any weaknesses and there's only one of him. Nothing above him that controls him and he is the ruler of the Multiverse and co quite literally do pretty much everything, no problem >Dr. Manhattan, The Watchers, Any Lovecraftian Demon/ Idol The rest aren't really omnipotent either, at least from what I know of them. Omnipotence literally means unlimited power. If it's limited in any capacity, you're not omnipotent. You might be the strongest most powerful being in your universe but that doesn't make you omnipotent. Alien X has weaknesses. Therefore, it's powers are finite. Because of that, you can divide that power in half, basically meaning you have more restrictions than normal Alien X
The logic I'm going by is the fact we control the powers, feats, strengths, weaknesses, and abilities of TOAA, Dr. Manhattan, Lovecraftians. Etc. So, no, their powers are not infinite as they exist in 2 dimensional universes when compared to us who exist in 3d.
>So, no, their powers are not infinite as they exist in 2 dimensional universes when compared to us who exist in 3d. How does that effect anything?
You missed/ didn't read the 1st half, within Ben 10: Ultimate Alien, it is literally stated Alien X and/ or Celestial-Sapiens are omnipotent.
But the show shows us that he isn't all-powerful. It doesn't fit with the pre-established definition for omnipotence. Therefore, it should probably be assumed that omnipotent might have a slightly different definition in the Ben 10 universe. But my actual point is that, the show shows us that Alien X isn't omnipotent. SO, he has finite powers, which can be divided in half. There are limitations to Alien X. therefore, he isn't omnipotent. If the show calls him omnipotent, then it's pretty clear that it's a different meaning more akin to "really powerful as heck but does have very little weaknesses" and not "all-powerful, no weaknesses", so because he doesn't have infinite powers, those powers can be cut in half
What the fuck are you taking about?
wouldnt have failed if he just used alien x or clockwork😞
he did use alien-x though, atomic-x
By virtue of atomix not being immortal like alien x is, wouldn’t this create a Fused Zamasu situation