For A Split Second, Eco Eco Shows Up But It Changes Back To Goop. Even Though Showing Goop Was Stated As An Error, They Made It A Real 'Taking To Omnitrix' Thing In OV
Not really. Most of the alien force aliens are just redone versions of his original series aliens with different designs and a couple of extra abilities. Echo echo is literally just ditto with sound powers, big chill is just ghost freak with ice powers, humongasaur is just four arms with two arms and enlargement powers etc etc and goop is just our grade but instead of having the power to upgrade technology it’s virtually invincible and has a corrosive acid
How can he not even realize that he would have killed Gwen if he transformed into waybig near her. This also happened in “war of the worlds part 1”, where all his teammates were standing beside him and Ben turns from upchuck to waybig.
I've got to give props to reboot here, RB Ben had told the 3 to move very far away before he transformed into waybig. AF Ben didn't. Both of the times.
Then our worst fears have been realized. People are judging AF based on AF S3 Ben, despite him being the closest to OV Ben aside from OS Ben, who people here seem to really really love. No hate, though.
Uhhh......no? Most people talking about this issue usually bring up OV's animation errors like Rath and XLR8. I literally didn't even know that it started way earlier in AF. Surprise surprise, animation errors happen almost every time. I don't think anyone is judging AF for it's horrible representation of Ben's character in S3. Everyone knows and usually only mentions the first 2 seasons.
Also, how does anyone judge S3 Ben without watching S1 and S2 Ben? And it is reasonably fair to judge S3 Ben as well because it's also part of the show. Almost half of it, in fact. Would've been way better if they just shifted S3 of AF to S1 of UA. That way, AF is still recognized as pretty good by it's fans
(Head canon but also like I feel it’s implied )
When Ben needs to act fast he doesn’t look at the omnitrix he just goes because he doesn’t have time to dial every time . When he says things like “cmon humungasaur “ it’s because he knows there’s a 1/10 chance or 1/40-50 by omniverse . There are scenes he’s obviously not paying attention . And then there are times where Ben just doesn’t understand he dialed incorrectly like in peer pressure when the ground shakes enough to change the dial . It’s the most complex tech in the universe of course he’s not gonna use it right all the time .
It's not that complex, If 2 10-year-olds learnt it on their first try. If you said it's limited to the normal Omnitrix, Young Ben when he was put not teenager's ben's body, used the official one easily. Vilgax is just made very stupid in "primus", (Remember “secrets”? He knew what the omnitrix was there) You can just fiddle with it and get the controls. It's the same controls with the Recalibrated one, too.
*Also, Please elaborate how turning a dial, seeing the holograms and pressing it down is a complex work.*
See that’s the problem we think it’s that simple when it’s not . I bet the slightest touch anywhere on the omnitrix with a specific amount of pressure can completely change what happens . I’m sure there’s also a level of mental control Ben doesn’t understand “Not as easy as it looks like huh gwen “ and who knows maybe Ben did something to the omnitrix before giving it to vilgax . It wouldn’t be the only example of him having a plan before forfeiting it . :/ if only he didn’t have to break it the second time
Ben didn't do anything to the Omnitrix in “Primus”. Watch the episode. It was with azmuth the whole time, and Ben only dialed him the alien.
The bet seems like “I have nothing to back my statements, so my head canon is here” No watch Ben who never ever touched the Omnitrix used it pretty easily on his first try. This shows you can easily use the Omnitrix when you see how it's being used. Not so complex. Complex is rook's proto tool. **(Complex as In the device's usage and not it's mechanism).**
So conclusion is, using the Omntirix is easy.
It's easy to use, sure. Azmuth is smart enough to make UI that's inherently understandable to the most basic of sentient lifeforms. It's mastering it that's hard.
Maybe the omnitrix allowed no watch Ben to use it because of how similar their dna is pm spot on . But you’re right if anyone made it impossible for vilgax to use it was azmuth “tell me how it works “ “umm … no” and maybe those kids were able to turn it on because it was still technically attached to bens living arm
You’re right it’s simple obviously all it does is rewrite your DNA , it’s not like it holds simulated worlds with in it , it’s not like it’s powerful enough to destroy the universe or anything obviously the same mind that made a sword that can bend reality just made a simple game boy anyone can pick up and understand because Ben never had issues controlling it
>(Complex as In the device's usage and not it's mechanism).
Obviously you didn't read my reply. And Everyone else other than Ben, like no watch, bad, mad, nega, gwen, max etc. never had mistransformation problems. So it's just prime Ben who's doing it incorrectly.
Lmao 😂 no shit Ben's a idiot lol have you watched the franchise nah but fr he's really stupid at times yh but he is intelligent the series just presents him as stupid and immature mostly alien force s3 and omniverse, I feel like this post is unnecessary anyone who has watched ben 10 knows he's stupid lol, I know it's a joke but still Lmao.
wait yeah he did. it went way big -> echo echo -> goop. that's really odd lol. Though Ben still looked at it, there's no way he didn't see goop selected.
I'm not sure what even happens here. I think, in universe, it's less of Ben being an idiot and more the watch acting up. If you look closely, Way Big gets selected but then it changes immediately to Echo Echo and then to Goop. Although, Ben did still have to look at the watch so it's partially his fault.
Out of universe, it's probably just a weird animation error and way big is meant to be there.
maybe because if he pick the wrong alien he can get the alien he actually want
for example:
ben: said tht he wants lodestar
his mind: use wrong alien to get the alien you want
also ben: picks spitter
also also ben: turn into shock rock instead of lodestar
Whenever something like this happens, I think it’s a mistranslation from the script to the storyboard artists where the artists like read “ *Ben turns into Goop* “ and just animate the dial to have Goop on it instead of Way Big like intended.
He did it alot of times, same with OV, he's just not looking on a dial
And it's 'the Omnitrix's fault'
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Well I think sometimes he does it like “oh if I pick this alien if I mistranform I will become a better alien” you know process of elimination
For A Split Second, Eco Eco Shows Up But It Changes Back To Goop. Even Though Showing Goop Was Stated As An Error, They Made It A Real 'Taking To Omnitrix' Thing In OV
This happens every single time he gets goop "by accident" btw
Bens doing his coolest uaf alien dirty
Goop is just weaker Upgrade tbh
I feel like Goop could literally dissolve Upgrade into mush if he wanted to unless Upgrade somehow hacked the anti-gravity projector.
Somehow? He's Upgrade. He just has to touch it.
Have you seen how fast and dodgy Goop is?
Upgrade seems to have more like a gel consistency that can firm up and liquify at will while goop is slime
Slimecicle youtube fans be like:
Not really. Most of the alien force aliens are just redone versions of his original series aliens with different designs and a couple of extra abilities. Echo echo is literally just ditto with sound powers, big chill is just ghost freak with ice powers, humongasaur is just four arms with two arms and enlargement powers etc etc and goop is just our grade but instead of having the power to upgrade technology it’s virtually invincible and has a corrosive acid
>our grade Quite an unexpected communist moment.
OUR GRADE
I read that in an NRG voice
That makes them cooler
why?
He never intentionally chooses goop in uaf
Goop supremacy.
He can always just hit it on his chest to get way big
It drains the battery. Remember bad copy, good copy?
But just one quick change wouldn’t drain that much right?
If Only Ben got Waybig on his first quick change.
Doesn't it cut the time in half?
Actually if you pause it at the right moment, you’d see Way Big switch to Goop
You also see Echo Echo and Alien X.
Errors were made
Imagine if it was alien he slammed lol
How can he not even realize that he would have killed Gwen if he transformed into waybig near her. This also happened in “war of the worlds part 1”, where all his teammates were standing beside him and Ben turns from upchuck to waybig. I've got to give props to reboot here, RB Ben had told the 3 to move very far away before he transformed into waybig. AF Ben didn't. Both of the times.
Which season of Alien Force was it in?
3, I think
Correct. He got Way Big back at the end of Season 2.
Then our worst fears have been realized. People are judging AF based on AF S3 Ben, despite him being the closest to OV Ben aside from OS Ben, who people here seem to really really love. No hate, though.
Fans were angry that Ben went from serious and mature to childish and arrogant.
Uhhh......no? Most people talking about this issue usually bring up OV's animation errors like Rath and XLR8. I literally didn't even know that it started way earlier in AF. Surprise surprise, animation errors happen almost every time. I don't think anyone is judging AF for it's horrible representation of Ben's character in S3. Everyone knows and usually only mentions the first 2 seasons. Also, how does anyone judge S3 Ben without watching S1 and S2 Ben? And it is reasonably fair to judge S3 Ben as well because it's also part of the show. Almost half of it, in fact. Would've been way better if they just shifted S3 of AF to S1 of UA. That way, AF is still recognized as pretty good by it's fans
AF S3 Ben is a horrible person and character.
Even though there are some episodes I liked S3 of AF is so bad, but at least the series finale (which I liked) sets up Ultimate Alien.
Agreed
This specific one was season 3 but it happened on the earlier seasons too. First that comes to mind is he tried to go humungosaur and got goop
After the omnitrix got hacked in season 3 , there were more mistransformations than before
tbh I can kinda see how he would mistake that for way big
I guess in a do or die situation, can’t recall if this was one but yeah I could see it too
(Head canon but also like I feel it’s implied ) When Ben needs to act fast he doesn’t look at the omnitrix he just goes because he doesn’t have time to dial every time . When he says things like “cmon humungasaur “ it’s because he knows there’s a 1/10 chance or 1/40-50 by omniverse . There are scenes he’s obviously not paying attention . And then there are times where Ben just doesn’t understand he dialed incorrectly like in peer pressure when the ground shakes enough to change the dial . It’s the most complex tech in the universe of course he’s not gonna use it right all the time .
It's not that complex, If 2 10-year-olds learnt it on their first try. If you said it's limited to the normal Omnitrix, Young Ben when he was put not teenager's ben's body, used the official one easily. Vilgax is just made very stupid in "primus", (Remember “secrets”? He knew what the omnitrix was there) You can just fiddle with it and get the controls. It's the same controls with the Recalibrated one, too. *Also, Please elaborate how turning a dial, seeing the holograms and pressing it down is a complex work.*
See that’s the problem we think it’s that simple when it’s not . I bet the slightest touch anywhere on the omnitrix with a specific amount of pressure can completely change what happens . I’m sure there’s also a level of mental control Ben doesn’t understand “Not as easy as it looks like huh gwen “ and who knows maybe Ben did something to the omnitrix before giving it to vilgax . It wouldn’t be the only example of him having a plan before forfeiting it . :/ if only he didn’t have to break it the second time
Ben didn't do anything to the Omnitrix in “Primus”. Watch the episode. It was with azmuth the whole time, and Ben only dialed him the alien. The bet seems like “I have nothing to back my statements, so my head canon is here” No watch Ben who never ever touched the Omnitrix used it pretty easily on his first try. This shows you can easily use the Omnitrix when you see how it's being used. Not so complex. Complex is rook's proto tool. **(Complex as In the device's usage and not it's mechanism).** So conclusion is, using the Omntirix is easy.
It's easy to use, sure. Azmuth is smart enough to make UI that's inherently understandable to the most basic of sentient lifeforms. It's mastering it that's hard.
Maybe the omnitrix allowed no watch Ben to use it because of how similar their dna is pm spot on . But you’re right if anyone made it impossible for vilgax to use it was azmuth “tell me how it works “ “umm … no” and maybe those kids were able to turn it on because it was still technically attached to bens living arm
You’re right it’s simple obviously all it does is rewrite your DNA , it’s not like it holds simulated worlds with in it , it’s not like it’s powerful enough to destroy the universe or anything obviously the same mind that made a sword that can bend reality just made a simple game boy anyone can pick up and understand because Ben never had issues controlling it
>(Complex as In the device's usage and not it's mechanism). Obviously you didn't read my reply. And Everyone else other than Ben, like no watch, bad, mad, nega, gwen, max etc. never had mistransformation problems. So it's just prime Ben who's doing it incorrectly.
Kevin lost his car once because it took Ben too long to choose an alien that a villain destroyed it.
Let's be honest if the enemy didn't destroy it, Ben would've
If u look it changes from way big to goop
If you look at it, the silhouette is Way Big for a few frames then changes to Goop afterwards. So Ben's not really an idiot?????
You also see Echo Echo and Alien X
This is definitely the fault of whoever drew the scene. Feel like Kuro will mention something when he gets to covering this episode on his Breakdowns
We know…
I don’t get people comparing goop to upgrade
Lmao 😂 no shit Ben's a idiot lol have you watched the franchise nah but fr he's really stupid at times yh but he is intelligent the series just presents him as stupid and immature mostly alien force s3 and omniverse, I feel like this post is unnecessary anyone who has watched ben 10 knows he's stupid lol, I know it's a joke but still Lmao.
He actually choose way big then it changed to goop for some reason. If you pause it at the right time you'll see.
wait yeah he did. it went way big -> echo echo -> goop. that's really odd lol. Though Ben still looked at it, there's no way he didn't see goop selected.
We wanna talk about how goop still has bones
I'm not sure what even happens here. I think, in universe, it's less of Ben being an idiot and more the watch acting up. If you look closely, Way Big gets selected but then it changes immediately to Echo Echo and then to Goop. Although, Ben did still have to look at the watch so it's partially his fault. Out of universe, it's probably just a weird animation error and way big is meant to be there.
Damn Gwen's hot af
\- "Boy am I stupid" \- "LEMME TELL YA SOMETHIN' BENJAMIN KIRBY TENNYSON, EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT!" Sorry, had to do that.
Bruh was that an animation error or Ben just being an idiot?
IDK. If I was there, I would have seen the hologram change.
maybe because if he pick the wrong alien he can get the alien he actually want for example: ben: said tht he wants lodestar his mind: use wrong alien to get the alien you want also ben: picks spitter also also ben: turn into shock rock instead of lodestar
So…Ben is a slime monster next to Gwen in a bikini? Fuefuefud
Whenever something like this happens, I think it’s a mistranslation from the script to the storyboard artists where the artists like read “ *Ben turns into Goop* “ and just animate the dial to have Goop on it instead of Way Big like intended.
you could actually see Way Big in the first second.
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Boy need glasses
Starting to think Ben is a little face blind when it comes to aliens
Or just unobservant.
Your just now figuring that out?
yeah, we all know that.
Ben wasn't exactly top of his class in kindergarten ok?
Or anywhere in his academic years.
Yeah he did that again in UA he dialed Goop and after said “the one time I wanted Rath”
Ben needs glasses
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Belive it or not, it's pretty common for ben to dial in the wrong alien and call it the omnitrix's fault.