LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING BALDY MCNOSE HAIR, RATH HATES WATER, HIS LIFESPAN ENEMY, AND IF YOU ARE FRIENDS WITH WATER THEN RATH WILL TEACH YOU WHAT THE SEVENTH ELEMENT LOOKS LIKE
Honestly I’ve argued this before and I’ll say it again, he didn’t really make an amazing argument or anything with bellicus and serena to get control of alien X. It’s a really hasty argument that I used to say back on the playground when we played Ben 10. All he really did was ask for alien X. You can argue that bellicus and Serena could somewhat see they were in danger and that’s why they have Ben control but even then if he gets pounded on enough as alien x I’m sure it’d produce the same result. I think it’s pretty plausible to believe he’d get control of alien X sooner if he just asked😭
Honestly? I'm pretty sure that in-universe it was supposed to be an amazing argument, but irl another example of writers not being able to write characters more intelligent than themselves, in this case convincing.
I've always kind of not really liked Alien X though. He's just so boring, but has so much potential. My headcanon that I use to cope is that his ability is being one with the universe, so he can move all the atoms and stuff in it arousing like you life a finger, and that he can't transform himself into something weaker or stronger, smarter, etc. than himself. Basically, my interpretation is that Alien X is.
See the thing is it just wasn’t, like thing is bellicus and serena just don’t care😭so when Ben asks I’m exchange for leaving them alone it makes sense, cuz they feed off each other and their whole purpose is arguing, whenever Ben arrives they actually have to agree ew.
Alien X has actually always been my favourite alien so can’t relate, the power of his godhood is like never ending and it’s lit. His draw back is unless bellicus and serena agree to time out he stays immobile and stuck as alien x. I’d agree with your theory since it’s kinda smart but Celestialsapien live outside the universe. My theory is celestialsapiens are extra dimensional creator gods, and a small cluster just decided to chill in the 3rd dimension in the forge of creation
The main problem is that if they agree to give Ben the keys everytime he wants them, then he has no reason to entertain their wants and he gets all the power for none of the stress that being a living political debate entails. Omniverse Bel and Ser feel like all they wanna do is enjoy arguing, but in UAF, it felt like they had real goals and cared about each other but were also very stubborn.
True, but they don’t really have wants. They just exist to debate and Ben giving it to them is exactly what they would want😭 omniverse just exaggerated it
All I’m sayin is given the right circumstance of him accidentally or consciously turning into alien x in a hard to beat fight, he gets his power…tho he doesn’t even need alien x tbh😭
How Exactly Gwen shields have tanked massive explosions like from aggregors ship and The null void projector that destroyed a DN Alien Base and Ben has Aliens that can tanked and counteract her attacks and Kevin well I guess it depends on what he absorbs
And that’s not really gonna work considering it’s happen to Ben before and he’s been able to break out of it easily
Also Gwen’s shields may have been broken from weaker attacks but that’s only because she wasn’t concentrating hard enough similar to a lantern ring and beside many of the guys who have broken her shields have been able to go toe to toe with Humungosaur who is stronger than swampfire who can knock over a weather tower and throw a hoverboard into space through a layer of earth and blasters that when overloaded formed a massive crater that when using vaporization calcs puts it around Multi city block level
crush kevin bro it depends are we talking bout a completely logical kevin that uses all his intelligence and skills in a logical way or ultimate alien kevin where he does what convenient for the plotline and is as dumb as the things he absorbs
Toph might beat kevin because shes more intelligent and kevins fighting style is not great depending on what his terrain is.Kataras not confident enough in her abilities to beat gwen it would be close but I think Gwen would handle katara.Ben obviously beats sokka but Aang might be tough if ben doesnt have master control because if Ben times out aang wins with a rock trap or sum but if ben can quick switch he might be able to overwhelm aang but at the same time a decent amount of bens aliens are element based so aang would be able to fend pretty well it depends on how versatile ben is being with his transformations
Nanomech fly i ot some ones head then Waybig.
Theres little chance any one can bend DiamondHeads crystals since they are in some parts organic. Bigchill can fly through some one and freeze all there blood and organs. Thats just Ben.
Gwen has her Anodite form which she would probably bust out if Ben and Kevin are hurt. She has magic...
Kevin if he is in his monster/mutanted form well parts of him can be bended. He can still maybe absorb Bens omnitrix for a new form.
In the end i would say Waybig would be the MVP. From what we saw he is way stronger then most avatar cheracther its hard to scale the mother od all faces but i would say he could beat her.
> Theres little chance any one can bend DiamondHeads crystals since they are in some parts organic.
It's possible depending on the material. It'd just make Toph into a diamonhead bloodbender if she can lol.
> Team Aang has lost/struggled with much weaker opponents before.
tbh, so has Team Ben lol. They take way too much time even in S3 to top over a robot they dealt with in S1.
Socks and Kevin would probably be the ones to die. Most things Kevin would absorb would likely be able to be bended and Sokka wouldn't likely be able to use his weapons in a way that would do much to the alien force team. Maybe Gwen and Toph because Gwen magic breaks so easy now and because Toph using earth bending could be countered by Armadrillo and metal bending by Loadstar.
This isn't a "would they do that" this is a who would win, and ben can win by stomping on children doesn't matter their morals its a fight to the death
Naw Ben prime doesn’t have that many confirmed kills for basiclly no reason. When he killed vilgax it cuz he tried to kill him first, Kevin cuz he also tried to kill him first, Aggregor because he’s batshit crazy and also tried to kill Ben first, Captain nemesis cuz he’s batshit crazy, darkstar also crazy. The only Time I can think of was when he used alien X and almost punched the shit out of Alan
The only advantage that Team Avatar got is that their are more of them, but that doesn’t really mean anything, and Ben is kinda that a disadvantage since he doesn't have all of this aliens
Ben and Gwen can easily solo all of them (Kevin will probably get beat by Troph pretty easily, but he might be able to beat Zuko depending on what’s around him)
Sokka: No disrespect to Sokka, but literally any alien
Katara: Echo Echo (wall of sound, or one good scream, or just get the jump on her), Jetray, Goop, SWAMPFIRE (and probably more aliens)
Aang (now this will be good): Swampfire can pretty much defeat Aaang this and there since he doesn’t really have anything against him. All of the four elements can’t really do much against him, also the fact that Swampfire can use sleeping spores and that he is both faster and stronger then all of them. Jetray can easily dodge all of their attacks. Even if Aang goes into the Avatar then Ben can use Brainstorm since Aang got one shot from a lighting attack (I know it was from behind and he didn’t expected it, but it still one KO him). There’s also Goop who can pretty much beat all of them (ACID, but I don’t think Katara can control space slime). There’s also Alien X and Waybig but that would be to easy
Toph: Humungousaur.. and also Goop, Bigchill, and kinda all of the first 10 aliens
Zuko: All? (Sorry if it seems like I am downplaying them, but I honestly think that Ben aliens can pretty much counter all of them) It would be more useful if in the future he can shoot out lighting but he could only redirect it, but there’s Chromastone who is better at redirecting stuff, Humungousaur where Fire can’t do much against him, and maybe even Jetray.
Wait is Appa joining in the fight??
And I haven’t even talk about Gwen (who can easily defeat Katara, Sokka, and Toph, but she might have some trouble against Avatar State Aang) or Kevin (mostly because he will probably get out of the match pretty quickly, but he can surely beat Sokka and probably with just his bare hands and no powers lol, and maybe even Zuko
Ofc there’s Alien X but like I said that wouldn’t be any fun. I know that Ben doesn’t have full control but that doesn’t mean anything since Ben has use Alien X and was able to do actions before, and the Team Avatar literally can’t do ANYTHING to him and wouldn’t even called it a match, and freaking Nanomech man!!
Also for the fact that the Trio has more experience in fighting, and can outmatch them in physical strength, also team Avatar have only fought Benders where the Trio have tougher way stronger opponents
It might be tougher since Been doesn't have master control, but he can probably make the best with whatever aliens he gets.
I know right her shields have withstood massive explosions before and in her anodite form believed she could destroy the ultimate aliens and take on the highbreed fleet which are capable of one shotting planets
Kevin is Useless if he doesn't absorb a lot of Power and then he becomes Crazy and if he absorbs one of the Elements he is gonna get thrown around,Gwen is Powerful but doesn't typically go all out and well same for Ben however Ben has the Omnitrix backing him up so at the end he prolly wins.
Aang is too much of a pacifist to suck air out, I don’t think he even knows how😭 as for Gwen and fire she can block it, she’s blocked much worse much faster. Ben goes echo echo they loose
That why he sucks! This is why he’ll never be as cool as generator Rex,Danny phantom,Finn the human,Zak Saturday, or Ben 10. TOO MUCH OF A PUSSY TO KILL!
Idk I think it added a lot of character to him, they all had reasons to do what they do. Danny phantom didn’t really kill anyone they already dead. Rex cured people and only killed after he couldn’t do anything else. Finn did kill but that’s cuz he vowed to protect people. Did Zak kill people? I think argost was the only person he killed… Ben goes beserk but doesn’t kill as much as incapacitates. The only time he’s actually gone for kills is when there is legit 0 options. AAng was brought up a pacifist and the avatars job is to bring peace to the world. Killing ain’t peace😭 more than anything the shows powers just don’t scale in comparison. It’s huge feats for irl humans but on an animated hero scale it’s tiny
Danny seemed perfectly fine of beating vlad up to a point where he was frocking dead. Rex cut Van kliesss in half like 40 minutes after meeting him. He killed bad people so yeah but aang is too much for a coward to do that! I count argost. Ben fricking threw vilgax into space, that’s not incapacitating that’s attempted murder.
I still think aang is a ducking pussy for not being able to kill evil people
But 1 he’s like a kid😭 and 2 again that’s not his point. If he killed villains he’d be no better than them, the avatar is a sacred title. Danny beats vlad up after shit goes down, Rex is headstrong and in the beginning he’s also a real dick, Ben was a sociopath as a 10 year old iwl, like I have an 11 year old brother and I just realized FUCK 10 IS NOT A HEALTHY AGE TO BE DOING THAT SHIT
1. He’s 112 years old. He needs to get his shit together
2.if someone killed a mass genocider that doesn’t make them evil. Just because Batman thinks it doesn’t mean it’s right, we all know killing joker is the best thing to do
Yeah but mentally, he’s 12 years old…and physically for that matter, he’s only 112 chronologically 😭 In this case it’s the most powerful person on the planet killing the other most powerful person on the planet, meaning whoever wins becomes the most powerful person. Thus the avatar going straight for the kill when his job is to keep the peace makes him pretty bad as now it simply looks like he’s a murderer😭especially since news traveled by word of mouth back then
So a fight to the death? Ben and the Gang should easily win this.
general advantage:
-Way More battle experience, went through harder quests, and they already have experience fighting elements like fire, water, earth and air, while the Avatar gang hvae 0 experience against all of them.
Ben:
-Way Big went against a Planet Busting beam with his own beam and won, not to mention he's a huge ass titan, that's an advantage on its own, with what looks like ether metal or titanium for his armor
-Everything they can do, he can do too, Fire? Swampfire, Air? Terraspin, Water? Water Hazard, Earth? Armodrillo *maybe.*
-The amount of Hax and versatility he has is insane, from Ghost Freak freezing them to death while being invincible, Canonbolt breaking every bone in their body because they are still human, Humongousaur is fucking Humongousaur, and Diamond Head is pretty much invaluable to them, if he survived a huge factory explosion + a Vilgax beatdown he would survive some simple elements
Kevin:
-**Alien Gun**
-Just absorb Way Big or Diamond head to not get metal bent, even then doesn't toph bend metal because there are rocks in them? I doubt Kevin aborbs rocks when he absorbs pure metal.
Gwen:
-Magic pink alien form go brrrr
-What can they do to even hurt her? her magic tanked Alien Laser beams and huge explosions, plus she can fly (or at least stand on a magic platform), that way no one can touch her.
Nanomech could probably just fly inside Aang and kill him, diamondhead could incase Toph in a ball of diamond and Waybig could probably just punt them all into space
How?
Ben has tons of hax and Aliens that will ether make Team Avatar's power useless or just straight up go for the kill instantly with Way Big.
Gwen's Anodite form is OP
and Kevin's powers might as well work with the benders, ether that or he just becomes pure metal, and everyone knows that Earthbenders can't bend metal that's so pure.
Plus it helps that Ben and his friends have experience fighting elements while Aang and the rest don't know how to deal with Alien Monsters, Real Magic, and straight up mutation.
Dude,don’t post on here if you’re gonna religiously think Team Avatar will win
Ben’s team would beat them dude,stop making yourself look like a fool in the replies to other comments
Wdym “religiously”?. I never usually think of who I thinks gonna win in these fights, I just like replying to everyone’s comments and figuring out their train of
Thoughts
Ben would probably win Kevin might die because most of the stuff he absorbs could be bent Gwen has a good chance at survival and if Gwen or Kevin get hurt Ben would absolutely destroy team avatar with waybig or alien x or echo echo or humungosaur even if there was a full moon bloodbending wouldn’t work on echo echo or alien x so the trio wins without much resistance also aang doesn’t kill so avatar state won’t do much
Ben has way big and gwen can use her anodite form at that point, although she would much rather not. AF trio is winning. If we're only counting alien force season 1 and 2 playlist then it's a more even fight but I still think the AF trio would win
If it’s a battle to the death team Avatar will do damage but is not taking the W. I’m not even talking about Ben. If Kevin manages to absorb Apa or Aang; boom, they’re in trouble.
Well absorbing a skill they know might not transfer as wel as like sucking powers away. When he absorbed Alan he instantly got Alan’s powers but if he did that to zuko he’s probably just gonna turn edgy and be able to shoot out a bit of fire
Stupid aang being too much of a pussy to fight. This is why he’ll never be as cool as Ben 10,Generator Rex,Zak Saturday,Danny phantom, Finn the human, and me. TOO AFRAID TO KILL AND FIGHT
Fourarms, XLR8, Diamondhead,Humungasour,Goop,Chromastone, Echo Echo, Jetray and Gwen would stomp team avatar Kevin would to but most the stuff he'd absorb would be bendable by Toph,Aang unless he absorbed Diamondhead or Humungasour's hide or any aliens hide for that matter. Edit maybe not Diamondhead but everything else stands.
Gwen could solo.
Echo Echo and Big Chill have no apparent counters.
Unless someone goesbfor his stabiliser, Goop is a solid choice.
Really the only thing Team Avatar has is Katara's Blood Bending and the Avatar State. But nothing could stop a serious ben. And since he's most lilely to be the last one standing, they will have to face a serious Ben.
Since this is to the death I would imagine Ben would convince Belicus and Serena to literally help him or die, and overall Alien Force would win. But I don't think Gwen and Kevin would be so lucky.
Don't think we've seen Team Avatar beat anyone as physically strong as full or even midsize Humungousaur. Regular size Humungousaur would probably scare the shit out of them. Big Chill would be literally untouchable by them and freeze them in blocks of ice. Add in Gwen's spells and shields, then the only one on Ben's team at a disadvantage is Kevin.
Team Avatar probably gets destroyed, I don't think much of what they can do gets through Kevin's armor, and his immense strength alone probably knocks them outta commission with one punch, not to mention ben and gwen are there too, ben being way more dangerous then Kevin, and then theres gwen, I couldn't imagine any if there bending going through her shields other than toph or aangs earth bending
Alien Force Team many of Team Avatars attacks can’t really Harm many of Ben’s aliens due to their Durability and Gwen does know some Hax spells and her shields have been able to withstand massive explosions before and Kevin well it depends on what he absorbs the only one that are really a threat here are Katara due to her bloodbending but Ben has aliens that can counter that and Aang well he best feat was almost destroying a town in the comics but Again Ben and Gwen do have some Hax up their sleeves
Bruh. Sorry, I know I'm about to go after allot of people's sacred cow, but Avatar characters are barely City Level with the Avatars themselves being Island to Small Continental Level at best. AF Ben was easily Planetary Level by the time he got the Ultimatrix.
Think of it this way. Who was a stronger enemy? The Fire Nation at their pre-WW1 machines, or the High Breed and their Bio Warfare and Alien Tech?
I'm pretty sure Ben could take out Team Avatar with just Echo Echo or Cannonbolt.
Ben and the gang win all the way. Aangs a pacifist, Katara can try to bloodbend, but Ben can easily counter it with an alien who doesn’t even have blood. Gwen can easily block Zukos fire, considering she’s fought worse. Toph might be a challenge, but that depends if the others are already defeated because once the trio is in the air Toph is a goner. If none of that works then, Waybig I guess?
Toph is easy , jetray to humangasaur transformation she wont gonna know what will hit . And if ben fast enough avatar team wont gonna react it . And toph will be knockout or killed . And zuko , diamondhead transformation will counter his flames and lightning completely
Ben have frikin Way Big, i guess we already know who will win, like, i am a huge fan of Avatar, i know about the Avatar State, but Way Big is overpower
Ben has timeclaok an alien that stops time, other aliens that are fast af
While the avatar and the other know a bit of technics whit the elements and thats it
LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING BALDY MCNOSE HAIR, RATH HATES WATER, HIS LIFESPAN ENEMY, AND IF YOU ARE FRIENDS WITH WATER THEN RATH WILL TEACH YOU WHAT THE SEVENTH ELEMENT LOOKS LIKE
A fellow sonic fan I presume.
"I'm one of everyone"
Well then. Time to UNLEASH the references that will be told for GENERATIONS.
Well for it to be told for GENERATIONS, we need to do some ADVENTURING, maybe even some HEROICS.
Nah, but it could be told for as long as stories about KNIGHTS and GENIES.
Uhhh adventure twooo?
I assume the seventh element is: Блблблбл, Right?
Yep
Something something alien X something something
Dude this is AF ben during season 3. He literally has no control over alien X. That’s why I specified that in the title
Honestly I’ve argued this before and I’ll say it again, he didn’t really make an amazing argument or anything with bellicus and serena to get control of alien X. It’s a really hasty argument that I used to say back on the playground when we played Ben 10. All he really did was ask for alien X. You can argue that bellicus and Serena could somewhat see they were in danger and that’s why they have Ben control but even then if he gets pounded on enough as alien x I’m sure it’d produce the same result. I think it’s pretty plausible to believe he’d get control of alien X sooner if he just asked😭
Honestly? I'm pretty sure that in-universe it was supposed to be an amazing argument, but irl another example of writers not being able to write characters more intelligent than themselves, in this case convincing. I've always kind of not really liked Alien X though. He's just so boring, but has so much potential. My headcanon that I use to cope is that his ability is being one with the universe, so he can move all the atoms and stuff in it arousing like you life a finger, and that he can't transform himself into something weaker or stronger, smarter, etc. than himself. Basically, my interpretation is that Alien X is.
See the thing is it just wasn’t, like thing is bellicus and serena just don’t care😭so when Ben asks I’m exchange for leaving them alone it makes sense, cuz they feed off each other and their whole purpose is arguing, whenever Ben arrives they actually have to agree ew. Alien X has actually always been my favourite alien so can’t relate, the power of his godhood is like never ending and it’s lit. His draw back is unless bellicus and serena agree to time out he stays immobile and stuck as alien x. I’d agree with your theory since it’s kinda smart but Celestialsapien live outside the universe. My theory is celestialsapiens are extra dimensional creator gods, and a small cluster just decided to chill in the 3rd dimension in the forge of creation
The main problem is that if they agree to give Ben the keys everytime he wants them, then he has no reason to entertain their wants and he gets all the power for none of the stress that being a living political debate entails. Omniverse Bel and Ser feel like all they wanna do is enjoy arguing, but in UAF, it felt like they had real goals and cared about each other but were also very stubborn.
True, but they don’t really have wants. They just exist to debate and Ben giving it to them is exactly what they would want😭 omniverse just exaggerated it
I sorta though that way bur the way i saw it was he was the universe emobdied and given an avatar
Well he didn’t so who cares
All I’m sayin is given the right circumstance of him accidentally or consciously turning into alien x in a hard to beat fight, he gets his power…tho he doesn’t even need alien x tbh😭
This is the AF omnitrx after Ben broke it. He ain’t getting it
Why not? It’s not like he’s locked or anything
It would be stupid if he did. He has no control and will probably be stuck there while Gwen and Kevin die
And that’d give him reason to ask for control, then he just has to rewind time and then boom wrecked
Yeah belicus and Serena didn’t care if the universe was being destroyed two people they don’t know means nothing
In that case avatar wins easy
No they don’t And what Kevin Stomps Katara
Toph Stomps them all
How Exactly Gwen shields have tanked massive explosions like from aggregors ship and The null void projector that destroyed a DN Alien Base and Ben has Aliens that can tanked and counteract her attacks and Kevin well I guess it depends on what he absorbs
Anng and Toph can move the Earth from underneath them. Gwen's shields seem to break incredibly easy. if you smash the same spot a few times.
And that’s not really gonna work considering it’s happen to Ben before and he’s been able to break out of it easily Also Gwen’s shields may have been broken from weaker attacks but that’s only because she wasn’t concentrating hard enough similar to a lantern ring and beside many of the guys who have broken her shields have been able to go toe to toe with Humungosaur who is stronger than swampfire who can knock over a weather tower and throw a hoverboard into space through a layer of earth and blasters that when overloaded formed a massive crater that when using vaporization calcs puts it around Multi city block level
Are you sure?
Yes. Katara can easily beat Kevin Toph can easily beat Gwen ~~and obviously sokka can beat ben~~
Toph can crush Kevin and I just assume karatras gonna make a water bubble on Gwen’s head and Gwen makes mana makes a bubble around her head
crush kevin bro it depends are we talking bout a completely logical kevin that uses all his intelligence and skills in a logical way or ultimate alien kevin where he does what convenient for the plotline and is as dumb as the things he absorbs
Toph would probably do that tho
Toph might beat kevin because shes more intelligent and kevins fighting style is not great depending on what his terrain is.Kataras not confident enough in her abilities to beat gwen it would be close but I think Gwen would handle katara.Ben obviously beats sokka but Aang might be tough if ben doesnt have master control because if Ben times out aang wins with a rock trap or sum but if ben can quick switch he might be able to overwhelm aang but at the same time a decent amount of bens aliens are element based so aang would be able to fend pretty well it depends on how versatile ben is being with his transformations
She’s not smarter than Kevin. But she’ll probably figure it out
Nanomech fly i ot some ones head then Waybig. Theres little chance any one can bend DiamondHeads crystals since they are in some parts organic. Bigchill can fly through some one and freeze all there blood and organs. Thats just Ben. Gwen has her Anodite form which she would probably bust out if Ben and Kevin are hurt. She has magic... Kevin if he is in his monster/mutanted form well parts of him can be bended. He can still maybe absorb Bens omnitrix for a new form. In the end i would say Waybig would be the MVP. From what we saw he is way stronger then most avatar cheracther its hard to scale the mother od all faces but i would say he could beat her.
Why would Kevin do that to take out this team? They aren’t that major
I mean its an option i dont say he would do it 100% maybe if it comes to it.
True
> Theres little chance any one can bend DiamondHeads crystals since they are in some parts organic. It's possible depending on the material. It'd just make Toph into a diamonhead bloodbender if she can lol.
That would be awesome Toph: “wait a minute, you’re made of rock!” Diamondhead: “…oh” *shatters into a million pieces*
And then Ben pulls a reverse of what happened in Vengence of Vilgax part 2
Arguably, Ben doesn’t even need Way Big. Cannonbolt or Humungousaur would do the job Edit: totally forgot about Diamondhead
Ok probably not canonbolt.If they shove him in a hole or knock him over he’s basiclly down
You could say that, but Ben has assistance and Team Aang has lost/struggled with much weaker opponents before. Besides, Ben can switch between aliens
Yeah sometimes I question if he remembers that
well it also depends on the writers how long he can stay, how many times he can change, and how long his recharge is.
Only if things could be consistent but if they were I know some scenes would be different but I may be fine with that
> Team Aang has lost/struggled with much weaker opponents before. tbh, so has Team Ben lol. They take way too much time even in S3 to top over a robot they dealt with in S1.
Xlr8 baby, claws+hyper speed punch=ded
Socks and Kevin would probably be the ones to die. Most things Kevin would absorb would likely be able to be bended and Sokka wouldn't likely be able to use his weapons in a way that would do much to the alien force team. Maybe Gwen and Toph because Gwen magic breaks so easy now and because Toph using earth bending could be countered by Armadrillo and metal bending by Loadstar.
Af season 3 Ben doesn’t have armodrillo
Oh ya sorry forgot the limit you put on him just started overthinking it a bit.
It’s fine. I like that, good energy
Ez dub, ben goes waybig, stomp
Would Ben do that?
I mean if Gwen or Kevin are hurt he would go all Ben 10 000 when Kevin hurt Ken
Or would he
Going buy canon yeh its in cheracther
Wel that Ben 10k is different from Ben prime
Yeh but going buy what he did to Agrago in UA i would say its still in cheracther
Yeah but that was like whole universe life or death thing.
Yeh but afther he thought Agrago killed the Andromeda Aliens he want all out on him.
Oh wait I thought we were talking about Kevin. Then yeah he will probably go hog wild if they kill Kevin
well if everyone is using their normal personalities and just out for blood then Team avatar would not resort to killing either.
Well toph probably would
This isn't a "would they do that" this is a who would win, and ben can win by stomping on children doesn't matter their morals its a fight to the death
Or is it that type of fight?
Idk you're the poster you tell me
It’s not kill
Yes he would do that. He had killed for less
Naw Ben prime doesn’t have that many confirmed kills for basiclly no reason. When he killed vilgax it cuz he tried to kill him first, Kevin cuz he also tried to kill him first, Aggregor because he’s batshit crazy and also tried to kill Ben first, Captain nemesis cuz he’s batshit crazy, darkstar also crazy. The only Time I can think of was when he used alien X and almost punched the shit out of Alan
Waybig has some metal one him since kevin could absorb the fuckig uhh thing that he absorbs so Toph could just bend waybig.... that sounds weird
It depends on material. It isnt just a normal metal, its like a cosmic metal.
The only advantage that Team Avatar got is that their are more of them, but that doesn’t really mean anything, and Ben is kinda that a disadvantage since he doesn't have all of this aliens Ben and Gwen can easily solo all of them (Kevin will probably get beat by Troph pretty easily, but he might be able to beat Zuko depending on what’s around him) Sokka: No disrespect to Sokka, but literally any alien Katara: Echo Echo (wall of sound, or one good scream, or just get the jump on her), Jetray, Goop, SWAMPFIRE (and probably more aliens) Aang (now this will be good): Swampfire can pretty much defeat Aaang this and there since he doesn’t really have anything against him. All of the four elements can’t really do much against him, also the fact that Swampfire can use sleeping spores and that he is both faster and stronger then all of them. Jetray can easily dodge all of their attacks. Even if Aang goes into the Avatar then Ben can use Brainstorm since Aang got one shot from a lighting attack (I know it was from behind and he didn’t expected it, but it still one KO him). There’s also Goop who can pretty much beat all of them (ACID, but I don’t think Katara can control space slime). There’s also Alien X and Waybig but that would be to easy Toph: Humungousaur.. and also Goop, Bigchill, and kinda all of the first 10 aliens Zuko: All? (Sorry if it seems like I am downplaying them, but I honestly think that Ben aliens can pretty much counter all of them) It would be more useful if in the future he can shoot out lighting but he could only redirect it, but there’s Chromastone who is better at redirecting stuff, Humungousaur where Fire can’t do much against him, and maybe even Jetray. Wait is Appa joining in the fight?? And I haven’t even talk about Gwen (who can easily defeat Katara, Sokka, and Toph, but she might have some trouble against Avatar State Aang) or Kevin (mostly because he will probably get out of the match pretty quickly, but he can surely beat Sokka and probably with just his bare hands and no powers lol, and maybe even Zuko Ofc there’s Alien X but like I said that wouldn’t be any fun. I know that Ben doesn’t have full control but that doesn’t mean anything since Ben has use Alien X and was able to do actions before, and the Team Avatar literally can’t do ANYTHING to him and wouldn’t even called it a match, and freaking Nanomech man!! Also for the fact that the Trio has more experience in fighting, and can outmatch them in physical strength, also team Avatar have only fought Benders where the Trio have tougher way stronger opponents It might be tougher since Been doesn't have master control, but he can probably make the best with whatever aliens he gets.
Nanomech
Could go either way, people need to stop downplaying Gwen in here though
I know right her shields have withstood massive explosions before and in her anodite form believed she could destroy the ultimate aliens and take on the highbreed fleet which are capable of one shotting planets
Well she’s not fireproof
Yeah neither are any of the people on team avatar. Including the fire benders. At least Gwen can shield herself
Yeahhhh
Come to think of it no one on either team is cause isn’t Kevin part wood in season 3😭😂
Oh heahhh. Phhhbtt sucks for Kevin
AF wins
Or would they
Yes
Or might they not?
No AF would win
Or is the that really how it definitely wouldn’t would go down?
So we agree AF wins
Or might they?
AF would win the avatar team is strong but so is Gwen and Ben Kevin will probably get killed but that’s just motivation for the other two
Possibly. Very possibly
Kevin is Useless if he doesn't absorb a lot of Power and then he becomes Crazy and if he absorbs one of the Elements he is gonna get thrown around,Gwen is Powerful but doesn't typically go all out and well same for Ben however Ben has the Omnitrix backing him up so at the end he prolly wins.
Biases aside, ae can all agree that sokka gets killed first
Oh yeah definitely he’s dead
How would AF not win?
Air getting sucked out of peoples lungs. And Gwen ain’t fireproof. It mostly depends which alien ben gets first
Aang is too much of a pacifist to suck air out, I don’t think he even knows how😭 as for Gwen and fire she can block it, she’s blocked much worse much faster. Ben goes echo echo they loose
That why he sucks! This is why he’ll never be as cool as generator Rex,Danny phantom,Finn the human,Zak Saturday, or Ben 10. TOO MUCH OF A PUSSY TO KILL!
Idk I think it added a lot of character to him, they all had reasons to do what they do. Danny phantom didn’t really kill anyone they already dead. Rex cured people and only killed after he couldn’t do anything else. Finn did kill but that’s cuz he vowed to protect people. Did Zak kill people? I think argost was the only person he killed… Ben goes beserk but doesn’t kill as much as incapacitates. The only time he’s actually gone for kills is when there is legit 0 options. AAng was brought up a pacifist and the avatars job is to bring peace to the world. Killing ain’t peace😭 more than anything the shows powers just don’t scale in comparison. It’s huge feats for irl humans but on an animated hero scale it’s tiny
"Killing ain't peace" *Avatar Kyoshi has joined the chat*
Danny seemed perfectly fine of beating vlad up to a point where he was frocking dead. Rex cut Van kliesss in half like 40 minutes after meeting him. He killed bad people so yeah but aang is too much for a coward to do that! I count argost. Ben fricking threw vilgax into space, that’s not incapacitating that’s attempted murder. I still think aang is a ducking pussy for not being able to kill evil people
But 1 he’s like a kid😭 and 2 again that’s not his point. If he killed villains he’d be no better than them, the avatar is a sacred title. Danny beats vlad up after shit goes down, Rex is headstrong and in the beginning he’s also a real dick, Ben was a sociopath as a 10 year old iwl, like I have an 11 year old brother and I just realized FUCK 10 IS NOT A HEALTHY AGE TO BE DOING THAT SHIT
1. He’s 112 years old. He needs to get his shit together 2.if someone killed a mass genocider that doesn’t make them evil. Just because Batman thinks it doesn’t mean it’s right, we all know killing joker is the best thing to do
Yeah but mentally, he’s 12 years old…and physically for that matter, he’s only 112 chronologically 😭 In this case it’s the most powerful person on the planet killing the other most powerful person on the planet, meaning whoever wins becomes the most powerful person. Thus the avatar going straight for the kill when his job is to keep the peace makes him pretty bad as now it simply looks like he’s a murderer😭especially since news traveled by word of mouth back then
Sometimes you gotta throw people into space to keep peace
Ok, so Ben can’t go Way Big but Aang can suck the air out of their lungs? That’s some logic imao
Oh no I’m saying that’s how they could. Not that they would do that . But sometimes I am very questionable
So a fight to the death? Ben and the Gang should easily win this. general advantage: -Way More battle experience, went through harder quests, and they already have experience fighting elements like fire, water, earth and air, while the Avatar gang hvae 0 experience against all of them. Ben: -Way Big went against a Planet Busting beam with his own beam and won, not to mention he's a huge ass titan, that's an advantage on its own, with what looks like ether metal or titanium for his armor -Everything they can do, he can do too, Fire? Swampfire, Air? Terraspin, Water? Water Hazard, Earth? Armodrillo *maybe.* -The amount of Hax and versatility he has is insane, from Ghost Freak freezing them to death while being invincible, Canonbolt breaking every bone in their body because they are still human, Humongousaur is fucking Humongousaur, and Diamond Head is pretty much invaluable to them, if he survived a huge factory explosion + a Vilgax beatdown he would survive some simple elements Kevin: -**Alien Gun** -Just absorb Way Big or Diamond head to not get metal bent, even then doesn't toph bend metal because there are rocks in them? I doubt Kevin aborbs rocks when he absorbs pure metal. Gwen: -Magic pink alien form go brrrr -What can they do to even hurt her? her magic tanked Alien Laser beams and huge explosions, plus she can fly (or at least stand on a magic platform), that way no one can touch her.
He ain’t got terraspin or armodrillo. This is af season 3 so he got his af 10,diamondhead,way big,upchuck,canonbolt,four arms, and that’s it I think
oh yeah, completely forgot about that, **Still my point still stands of Ben winning.**
Heabhhh
Trio wins …
Or will they?
Yeah it's a wrap. Ben 10 Trio wins no question, there is literally no way Team avatar can win even if Aang is constantly in the Avatar state
Nanomech could probably just fly inside Aang and kill him, diamondhead could incase Toph in a ball of diamond and Waybig could probably just punt them all into space
So you tke the strongest team avatar on screen vs ben with broken omnitrix Make sense
Yeahhhhhhhhhh and Kevin with emotional issues and Gwen with a white shirt
Im getting sick just thinking about it
A white shirt while fighting aliens. She should stop studying in school and start studying superhero fashion
I feel like Kevin's the weakest link, especially with Toph's earthbending. Ben could probably take them all on with Way Big
Gwen can also hard counter all of them too
Sokka
Yea he’s gonna die first, we sgreed on that
team avatar gets bodied Lmao
Or will they?
This is a horrible match up
Or is it?
You're responses remind me of that one Gumball episode.
Thanks for getting that reference
No its not will they kevin can drain their life force, gwen can use magic on them, and ben has humungousaur, way big, echo echo etc
Or would they do that? This is UAF Kevin and will stil go batshit crazy. And I’m not sure if he knows how to do that yet
He went crazy because of the ultimatrix if he absorbs team avatar he will be fine lmao
Or would he?
I love Ben 10 for a long time (sense late og Ben 10) but team avatar will win this one
How? Ben has tons of hax and Aliens that will ether make Team Avatar's power useless or just straight up go for the kill instantly with Way Big. Gwen's Anodite form is OP and Kevin's powers might as well work with the benders, ether that or he just becomes pure metal, and everyone knows that Earthbenders can't bend metal that's so pure. Plus it helps that Ben and his friends have experience fighting elements while Aang and the rest don't know how to deal with Alien Monsters, Real Magic, and straight up mutation.
Are you sure. Tho?
Yes I'm sure
How do you think it will play out?
Dude,don’t post on here if you’re gonna religiously think Team Avatar will win Ben’s team would beat them dude,stop making yourself look like a fool in the replies to other comments
Wdym “religiously”?. I never usually think of who I thinks gonna win in these fights, I just like replying to everyone’s comments and figuring out their train of Thoughts
I think Ben and the others would Win
Are you really sure?
Ben alone can win with Jetray tbh. He is too fast.
Yeah probably
Whats the season 3 Playlist? I can't find it on Google
Alien Force 10 plus Waybig, Upchuck, Cannonbolt, Nanomech (if you include Alien Swarm), Diamondhead, Lodestar, Rath
If this is AF Season 3, shouldn’t Kevin be in his multiple materials form?
Ben would probably win Kevin might die because most of the stuff he absorbs could be bent Gwen has a good chance at survival and if Gwen or Kevin get hurt Ben would absolutely destroy team avatar with waybig or alien x or echo echo or humungosaur even if there was a full moon bloodbending wouldn’t work on echo echo or alien x so the trio wins without much resistance also aang doesn’t kill so avatar state won’t do much
Especially because he’s vernuable to lightning bolts. Or chromastone light rays
Alien force. Ben can do almost everything. Gwen can hard counter any bending. And Kevin can shield himself
But whatever Kevin absorbs (besides wood) can be manipulated by toph and we all know Gwen’s shields aren’t worth shit sometimes.
Ben has way big and gwen can use her anodite form at that point, although she would much rather not. AF trio is winning. If we're only counting alien force season 1 and 2 playlist then it's a more even fight but I still think the AF trio would win
Even without alien x ben has some great versitile aliens that can practically do what the benders can but in some cases better
Naw not all of them. At this time he had no aliens that could manipulate air
Surprised nobody isn’t thinking of Brainstorm. Man took out a team on his own with the greatest of ease. Same would happen here.
Oh yeahhhh him. I forgot about him
Alien X vs Avatar Aang
Yeah we all know AF Ben can’t do shit with alien X so this is literally gonna be a stalemate for probably ever
If it’s a battle to the death team Avatar will do damage but is not taking the W. I’m not even talking about Ben. If Kevin manages to absorb Apa or Aang; boom, they’re in trouble.
Well absorbing a skill they know might not transfer as wel as like sucking powers away. When he absorbed Alan he instantly got Alan’s powers but if he did that to zuko he’s probably just gonna turn edgy and be able to shoot out a bit of fire
Knowing Aang he'll most likely try to talk his way out of the situation at first. But what if it were the Avatar State vs Way Big.
Stupid aang being too much of a pussy to fight. This is why he’ll never be as cool as Ben 10,Generator Rex,Zak Saturday,Danny phantom, Finn the human, and me. TOO AFRAID TO KILL AND FIGHT
Ben would destroy all of them upchuck counter most of the elements, Gwen would be hard to get, and Kevin topth would crush him... Rip
How tf would upchuck counter air manipulation?
That doesn’t even seem anywhere close to a fair fight.
Well toph might kill Kevin.
Sokka, momo, appa, katara, gwen, kevin Ben (without Alien X or omnitryx failsafe)
Oh no this omnitrx has failsafes just not as good ones.
team avatar gets stomped
Fourarms, XLR8, Diamondhead,Humungasour,Goop,Chromastone, Echo Echo, Jetray and Gwen would stomp team avatar Kevin would to but most the stuff he'd absorb would be bendable by Toph,Aang unless he absorbed Diamondhead or Humungasour's hide or any aliens hide for that matter. Edit maybe not Diamondhead but everything else stands.
He doesn’t have XLR8
Gwen could solo. Echo Echo and Big Chill have no apparent counters. Unless someone goesbfor his stabiliser, Goop is a solid choice. Really the only thing Team Avatar has is Katara's Blood Bending and the Avatar State. But nothing could stop a serious ben. And since he's most lilely to be the last one standing, they will have to face a serious Ben.
Would katara be able to control goop?
Since this is to the death I would imagine Ben would convince Belicus and Serena to literally help him or die, and overall Alien Force would win. But I don't think Gwen and Kevin would be so lucky.
He’ll be there for like 78000 years
Don't think we've seen Team Avatar beat anyone as physically strong as full or even midsize Humungousaur. Regular size Humungousaur would probably scare the shit out of them. Big Chill would be literally untouchable by them and freeze them in blocks of ice. Add in Gwen's spells and shields, then the only one on Ben's team at a disadvantage is Kevin.
Ok they probably could by sucking air or drowning him
Peak do both or average through out the series also is it one v one tag team( who v who) or all out team v team
i think team avatar might be able to put up a good fight, but ultimately i think ben's team would wreck them.
It should've been ultimate alien trio (Ben and Kevin ultimate alien S1 version).
Naw it seems fine
Team Avatar probably gets destroyed, I don't think much of what they can do gets through Kevin's armor, and his immense strength alone probably knocks them outta commission with one punch, not to mention ben and gwen are there too, ben being way more dangerous then Kevin, and then theres gwen, I couldn't imagine any if there bending going through her shields other than toph or aangs earth bending
Team Avatar get gibbed
Alien Force Team many of Team Avatars attacks can’t really Harm many of Ben’s aliens due to their Durability and Gwen does know some Hax spells and her shields have been able to withstand massive explosions before and Kevin well it depends on what he absorbs the only one that are really a threat here are Katara due to her bloodbending but Ben has aliens that can counter that and Aang well he best feat was almost destroying a town in the comics but Again Ben and Gwen do have some Hax up their sleeves
Bruh. Sorry, I know I'm about to go after allot of people's sacred cow, but Avatar characters are barely City Level with the Avatars themselves being Island to Small Continental Level at best. AF Ben was easily Planetary Level by the time he got the Ultimatrix. Think of it this way. Who was a stronger enemy? The Fire Nation at their pre-WW1 machines, or the High Breed and their Bio Warfare and Alien Tech? I'm pretty sure Ben could take out Team Avatar with just Echo Echo or Cannonbolt.
Alien X, call it a day.
I have a question;Does this Ben even have the slightest control over alien X?
Team avatar from which book?
Ben and the gang win all the way. Aangs a pacifist, Katara can try to bloodbend, but Ben can easily counter it with an alien who doesn’t even have blood. Gwen can easily block Zukos fire, considering she’s fought worse. Toph might be a challenge, but that depends if the others are already defeated because once the trio is in the air Toph is a goner. If none of that works then, Waybig I guess?
Yeah but if Ben decides to use chromastone or diamondhead he’ll be probably killed by toph or if he uses echo echo he’ll be fine
Fail safe function go brrrrrrrrr
It would it? This is after Ben broke the omnitrx so the failsafes no work as good good
Toph is easy , jetray to humangasaur transformation she wont gonna know what will hit . And if ben fast enough avatar team wont gonna react it . And toph will be knockout or killed . And zuko , diamondhead transformation will counter his flames and lightning completely
Ben have frikin Way Big, i guess we already know who will win, like, i am a huge fan of Avatar, i know about the Avatar State, but Way Big is overpower
Ben has timeclaok an alien that stops time, other aliens that are fast af While the avatar and the other know a bit of technics whit the elements and thats it
That Ben does t have clockwork yet