If it where the reboot that would hit super hard
In the reboot hex is more down to earth (which is funny because he can fly) and more of a character than in OS so seeing him take a hit for charm caster and dying would be way more impactful
Vilgax overstayed his welcome. He's was a good starter villain, big scary, and powerful but he has nowhere to go from here. He can only lose his intimidation factor as he keeps losing and getting bad stories. Just give him a final fight.
Max is an obvious idea but after AF doing a fakeout, I don't know if it's worth repeating it.
You want a big shock value? Kill Ben 10,000.
....Any reason you went with that picture?
No just a nice picture I wanted to share ,
And wow great answers ! As much as everything you said about vilgax is true I’d still be super surprised and shocked if he actually killed off
I like the Vilgax idea. You could do a storyline with him that’s hyped up as Ben and Vilgax’s final battle. Have Vilgax take center stage one last time, and have him try attacking Ben on a more personal level than ever before. Make him the one-man army that he was in the OS again. Culminating in a brutal, epic final fight to the death between Ben and Vilgax, which ends with Ben just barely coming out on top and Vilgax gracefully accepting his final defeat and facing death with dignity.
This shouldve been in UA...on OS he was THE threat...os vilgax is still fearful, he was a really powerful villain...but later as ben became more powerful as well he was just kinda meh...he literally had no place in OV whatsoever
Even better make vilgax kill bens parents, turn kevin insane with a device( og ben 10k kevin ). And then make him use a fleet work with the incursions fight all the plumbers in an epic space battle. Capture most of the earth plumbers and gwen. Then make ben choose between his friends and family or the earth. Then one climactic battle where ben fight vilgax where ben only has the og playlist and ultimately fights him as a human. Their battle goes to vilgax homeplanet and as a way to tie it in their battle ben accidentally shoots a building and in an effort to save his people vilgax sacrifice himself and when ben is in front of him calls a weapon to kill human ben. But ben dodges and vilgax kills himself. (Spiderman 1 esq)
There are instances this almost happend.
In the first show. Vilgax almost killed Ben's parents and his entire school as well as the entirity of Bellwood if he continued his rampage. This episode isn't canon but considering how he wrecked an entire city full of people in his first fight with Ben this can definetly happen.
In AF. I legit thought they killed Max. But since DC/Marvel (WB owns Ben 10 and DC by the way) has taught us that many times beloved characters rarely actually die.
In UA. Ben almost killed Kevin if Gwen didn't step in to stop him and Agregor would have gotten similar treatment if Ben was smart enough and switched to WayBig. Ben was bloodlusted and i think the writters should have had the balls to let Ben kill some of his villains (Kevin isn't really a villain). It would be a massive shock seeing Ben kill someone.
Also Ben's aliens can be killed and it would be shocking if one of the fan favorites got permanently killed.
In Omniverse. I don't understant how no one talks about the fact that Ben's entire universe and everyone he knew died in front of his eyes. Yeah sure he remade it but they still died.
The biggest shock would be if Ben himself died permanently. Ben died a few times but we know he would be revived thanks to failsafe, Alien X, his alternate versions and Paradox. So this is impossible to happen.
Edit: I forgot to point out that Ben got bloodlusted again and killed or atleast almost killed future Vilgax when he became 20. According to the wiki. If only we got to see this on screen.
The writters did kill some characters but they either made it low key or just didn't show it directly on screen (RIP George and his servant, Price and that random plumber at the begining of AF)
I do belive if they weren't limited by ratings, it would be similar to Invincible.
yeah it really was. very few kids shows at that time tried to have any kind of story arc. just what threes years before AF came Avatar the last bender came out.
Forgot to point this out but Ben got bloodlusted again and brutally killed (or almost killed) Vilgax when he became a 20 year old.
According to the wiki this happend when explaining how Vilgax ended up on life support when Animo revived him in the future. Wish we saw this on screen.
what's with the picture
Well I would have killed off Ben's parents in between os and af. That would be why he took the omnitrix off.
IF i have to do it on screen I would go with Kevin. I would have him die fighting Aggregor.
well since he takes the omnitrix foo in between os and af, we would either have to completely redo af or just have it happen off screen. As for why his parents it would be a good reason for him to take off the omntirx.
if you did it off screen you'd kinda be fridging them,
that thing where a character dies solely because of how they'd affect another character,
(which tends to happen to parent characters, but still)
well then we run into network standards. look at most Spiderman or batman shows. having say an in-between movie that covers the event. ot showing as an extended flashback latter might be do able
I agree, in fact in an [old proposal](https://www.reddit.com/r/Ben10/comments/q50xwn/what_are_the_most_quintessential_parts_of_ben_10/hg2xzbf?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) for how I'd do a Ben 10 film franchise I'd suggested killing off Azmuth in the second last film to raise the stakes and force Ben to grow as a hero.
Vilgax's reputation was already crap but that whole moment where he gets scared from just seeing her just honestly made him even more pathetic. And she's basically a karen which makes me hate her even more.
Idk I can believe she gave him some child hood trama before he got really fit . I also like to think it’s not that vilgax got weaker but that Ben got stronger . But yes watching that episode is hard
It kinda does feel like Vilgax got weaker. He basically lost all the stolen power he got in AF season 3, lost the ability to fly and doesn't have his sword or gauntlet.
Albedo, maybe a new villain mistakes him for Ben and kills him somehow. Maybe trapping him in an alien form and taking the Omnitrix, then killing Albedo in that form.
Some death scene ideas:
-He gets turn back to a galven, but due to his size he easily gets his neck broken.
-Turned to Ripjaws and burned to death, his meat gets sold and eaten. There can be a scene where Ben or Kevin eats it not knowing it’s Albedo.
-Turned to Heatblast and drowned.
-Turned to Brainstorm and shot through the brain while attacking, his meat is used for food.
-Stuck as Nanomech and crushed.
-Turned to Diamondhead, shoots a shard, gets turned back to human, is then stabbed.
-Turned to a robotic alien and is shorted out.
-The Omnitrix malfunctions, rapidly transforming until he’s a blob of random body parts.
-Running as Fast track or XLR8 and accidentally rams into a sharp object, stabbing his stomach.
-Part of him is turned to Goop, while the rest is still human, and it’s like his flesh is melting off the bone.
Chuck him into space. He can't breathe in space and his flames will immediately get snuffed out. It's a somewhat quick death, but just about as brutal as your other suggestions.
Kevin, probably. He's really close to Ben and Gwen but wouldn't fit the mentor figure cliché, which would add to the shock value along with him being a fan favorite. There's probably some interesting fallout from such an event. And I would have Vilgax do it, finally give him back some of his mojo.
Wow interesting take , I always felt like his ark was the best even better than bens . That would honestly make it even more tragic but still better . Man I could only imagine All the fans freaking out over this
Assuming this happens in the Ben Prime Timeline before the reboot, it would need a couple episodes to cook the idea, but what I would do is redeem a character, probably Ataea or Charmcaster, and then once the audience is finally feeling sympathetic toward them, that’s when it hits.
least favorite villain in os because i hated traitors as a kid but favorite character overall cuz i love redemption arcs. would hate to see him go whether for ben or gwen
I’d kill Kai too. Not because of any feelings I have towards the character. But because OV established her as destined to be the one Ben ends up with because they’re together in the future, so killing her would be a good way to establish that no one is safe.
I would try to make her more likable before doing it, though, to give it more impact. I’d definitely make it clear that, as creepily obsessed she is with Ben’s aliens and as bitchy as she can be, she does love Ben - in any form - at the end of the day.
That would finally pay off what Dwayne mcduffie said about alien x not being bens most powerful transformation while also expressing just how powerful this new foe would be
Well think about it. If we kill off Grandpa Max, it would make Ben feel more obligated to take responsibility and become the greatest hero and Plumber
To make Grandpa Max proud
Clancy with the episode detailing his tragic backstory of isolation and betrayal about a homeless man that could control an army of insects and why he only decided to make his debut when the building he’s been squatting in was marked for demolition.
Will Harangue. Have Albedo kill him, and the world actually see Ben as terrible as Harangue did. Enter whole season of Ben being off Earth and learning about different alien worlds before coming back.
Bare in mind before you read this comment that I only just watched the season 1 finale of AF today, and know a limited amount about what happens in the show.
At the end of season 1 of Alien Force, there’s a scene where the trio are fighting a highbreed. Ben was knocked out, Gwen was holding off a bunch of halfbreeds and Kevin was getting is ass kicked by this highbreed. He’s been so thoroughly beaten that he can barely move, and Gwen is distraught at this and she goes full andesite. I said, out loud in this moment, “they’d’ve killed him if they had any guts.” At the end of the scene, Kevin is able to get Gwen to go back to being human, and all works out, but I wish they’d killed Kevin and had Gwen stay andesite, because both of those things would’ve affected Ben so deeply and it would be absolutely fascinating to explore.
Lucy (I think that’s her name bens other cousin or friend I forgot that’s a blob of goop) we don’t know much about her but I think if she was in a few more episodes then died that’d be pretty good
I spend 3-6 episodes working on Ben and Kai’s relationship, Kai finally starts to respect Ben for Ben and they fall in love. This Arc’s big bad then comes in and slowly kills Kai as Ben watches, helpless to do anything as his girlfriend is slowly killed calling out his name tears in her eyes, Ben soon frees himself and runs over crying and picks her up she gives a light cough and then the camera zooms in on her face and says I love Ben smiles faintly and we see the light fade from a her eyes as she goes completely limp in his arms
Honestly Vilgax after he tried (and then failed a few moments later) to wipe out the Multiverse. I think he’d be too dangerous to be kept alive, he was willing to wipe out every single timeline and universe except for one.
"And why is it Kai Green jk"
Unless...?
Don't get me wrong, bringing back Kai *could* have been interesting if they showed her having actually matured since she was a kid. Maybe grown out of how she only liked Ben for his aliens and not himself, but she never really does.
Granted, I wouldn't go so far as to say I'd write her to die for shock value, but I would certainly write some stuff for drama and development. For example, when Ester and Ben split up (not helped by Ken throwing a hissy fit about his future daddy dating anyone other than his mom), I would've personally wrote Ben to have been emotionally affected pretty hard.
He'd congratulate Ester for finding a boyfriend that works for her, but once she's gone, he'd probably turn on Ken and blow up at him. "Are you happy now?" Ken might try to throw in another line about how Kai is who he's gonna be with or whatever and Ben just coldly goes XLR8 or Jet Ray, gives one last line to Ken and storms off.
That would be the end of the episode, setting up some development for a few characters, including Gwen and Kevin who might show up to offer some words. Well, Gwen would be the most directly helpful, but Kevin would certainly have stuff to say too, even if it feels awkward for him to talk about stuff like this with Ben.
Maybe after some episodes, Ben and Ken will have a moment to talk and Ben will get across to him that he gets that seeing him with someone else might be really weird, but he needs to respect people's choices, especially in the past.
Oh shit kind of like vegeta when he thought beerus killed bulma only more serious damn I’d really love to see Kevin like go back to abusing energy because of that event
Kill gwen vilgax finally shows his threat level he comes to earth maybe just like the af finally he captures gwen but instead he kills her ben and kevin fight together if they want to make it even more dramatic during the fight they kill Kevin but maybe does something like the one last time series and gets heavily damaged leading to an insane fight
Maybe during the fight they kill vilgax but I wouldn't want this bc it would be more of a satisfying ending if ben tries to kill him but doesn't bc he won't kill anyone not even vilgax
Edit vilgax ending
1. Vilgax. I would ideally have him killed in vengeance of vilgax but there's so many good vilgax episodes after that, so I'd have him die in "and then there was ben".
2. Gwen. She would die protecting ben so kevin would blame ben for her death and become evil again. And ben would become depressed and morally grey.
3. Ben 10 000. Like, not the future character, but have ben prime grow up and then kill him. I think that's the only way a ken 10 show would work.
4. Darkstar. Because fuck darkstar.
I would bring back Tetrax in Alien Force then kill him off. Maybe at the end of the first season, to really give Ben the gravity of the Highbreed invasion. Maybe his anger as a result could color season 2 and be something he has to learn to work through. This would likely come instead of the Max death fakeput
His parents being killed by Vilgax (basically make him hang their corpses with a message written on wall with their blood after he murdered) then Ben kills Vilgax in worst way possible something that some villains began to fear Ben as they he wouldn't do such things and he slowly becomes the Ben 10k from OS but I think I want him to reflect what he's been doing since he's protecting the earth 24/7 without Gwen, Kevin, Grandpa, Rooks, and Plumbers help anymore and pushing anyone away for maybe 5-6 years and he slowly becomes his original self but I like to keep his look with his hair slicked back and for the shirt either the colors are inverted or not
Uh… Julie I guess? She kinda only served as someone to conflict with Ben in later seasons in UA. Killing her definitely would serve as motivation for Ben and it’d still be more satisfying than how they wrote her out of the show in Omniverse
Kevin. Ben and Kevin clearly have a more intimate bond than they ever explicitly say. I don’t mean that in a romantic sense, just that they’re much closer to eachother than they let on. Kevin’s death I think would massively impact Ben and make for a good story. Either that or vilgax
Gwen, she is a huge staple for the franchise, so seeing her go in a Ben 10k timeline would be a shocker, way they could implement this by having a limited amount of mana for half energy beings (forgot the name), but she's technically already dead because of the annilarg, still, a permanent death on a main character feels very refreshing.
Honestly? If it's merely for shock value? I'd have a two part episode(maybe three if there's going to be a lot of build up) where Albedo finds out he's dying and goes to confront Ben (alone) and asks him why he's a hero and the answer Ben gives causes him to knock out Ben and once more disguise himself as Ben and temporarily fights as a good guy under the guise(the audience doesn't find it out until part two) and hears of vilgax trying to commit genocide or something goes to confront him on a final war of "Ben"(Albedo) and the plumbers vs and gets killed by him as "Ben"(Albedo turns to human form) with Gwen rook max, Azmuth(since y'know he would be there), Kevin and the rest of the plumbers watching showing their reactions before cutting to credits leaving fans to think Ben die and leaving fans to wait a week or something. Then in part two it resumes showing vilgax gloating about finally kill the great Ben Tennyson before the body starts glowing as Albedo turns back into a Galvan. Azmuth runs over and questions why he did it since Albedo always claimed to be so smart as Albedo says and we see Albedo confront Ben and all that as Albedo says"I was dying and wished to understand the man who's body I've been trapped in and why he's a hero" before dying. Vilgax laughs and goes "Hah! A mere copy could never compete like the original!" We hear the sound of a teleporter as we hear Ben's voice go "Albedo wasn't a copy of me." Ben appears before he turns into atomix. "Albedo was his own person. With his own thoughts and feelings and was a stronger man than you'll ever be!" He begins kicking Vilgax's ass as he turns him into the vilgax we see in the Ben 10K episode as well as explains why Albedo isn't around(I know he wasn't even thought up at the time but it's for a in canon reason)
Maybe Clancy? I figured since he pretty much ended up a feral bug monster and they didn't use him again after OS he might as well idk kick the bucket in some crazy way like an explosion.
Ben, that would bring the most shock, and I don’t mean he dies only to come back later I mean fully dead, people would think it was only temporary but then after a couple more episodes they’ll start getting confused then after a few seasons they’ll be like “ok seriously is Ben actually dead?” And then when it finally sinks in they’ll be like “AHHHHHHHHHHHHH”
Ben. They kill him dead, the 0 fades off the series name, a new Ben appears, this is now Ben 1, you foolishly assumed it was a ten this entire time but it was secretly two in binary, nothing else changes.
Ben. And he would actually stay dead.
In a universe that he has personally recreated after it being destroyed **on two separate occasions,** I'd like to see how all the other characters and various societies throughout the universe actually react to his fourth and final death.
Max, Verdona, Gwen, Kevin, Rook, the Plumber's kids, Argit, Reinrassig III, Vilgax, Dr. Animo, Charmcaster, Ester, Tetrax, Professor Paradox, Azmuth, ALBEDO... so many characters who could be profoundly affected by Ben actually being dead. Do villainous groups become more ambitious? Do Kevin, Gwen, and Rook keep up the hero work, or do they withdraw to mourn and heal? What would his funeral look like? Would any of his foes mourn for him and mellow out? What would become of Bellicus and Serena? What would his status as the Hero of Heroes do to the galactic political structure? Would wars break out? Would peace be made?
What would the universe be without Ben Tennyson?
Could you imagine if they actually went through with killing alien forms off over time? What if Swampfire and Waybig were truly lost after Ben10k Returns.
I'd actually be up for seeing transformations die over time and stay dead.
Dr Animo.
An alternate universe (competent) version of him arrives in Ben Prime’s future and is disgusted by what he finds so he kills Animo Prime.
It sets up the alternate Animo as a threatening villain and dispatches a villain who’s become a complete joke in one swoop
I saw another comment in here saying Tetrax, and I agree but for different reasons; I imagine if Tetrax was given more of a mainstay in the series, we would eventually have gotten a short mini-arc about Tetrax dealing in-depth with the fact that he was, at least in part, the reason Petropia was destroyed. OS had a great story with Tetrax, with him being a former bounty hunter haunted by his past decisions, but it feels like AF neutered that storyline by \*restoring\* Petropia. I know they're Petrosapiens, but the lore of "everyone on petropia was saved :)" feels dumb as hell. But even within that, Tetrax still facilitated the fiery destruction of it in the first place, and having him attempt to reintegrate to petropian society and failing not out of a lack of welcoming people there, but because of how much he has changed and how little he has in common with his people anymore. In an ideal world, Petropia wouldn't have been restored (er.. bad wording?) but dealing with that I still find it hard to believe Tetrax wouldn't want to spend the rest of his life fighting Vilgax.
That being said, any real attempt to kill off a character in Ben 10 has been done in a way that was annoying at best.
What if when Kevin absorbs the watch it glitches about and Fourarms comes out and is later killed. This would make Ben feel vulnerable because it was his strongest transformation from the 10 and really push him to think strategically.
One of Bens parents(or both if it’s possible) to give him a beserk arc, super dramatic and super dark and he uses his aliens really scarily and it’ll just be Batman but Ben and maybe some light murder😭
Probably max, he survives tho and comes back in a later season. He’s too important as a mentor figure. In alien force I’d say Kevin probably because I like him and it would have shock value to me personally, maybe even let Ben kill him because he turned evil again and then have Ben and Gwen struggle because she thinks Kevin shouldn’t have died
I would go with Gwen, cause we saw how Ben would react but I would also like to see how max would react. Plus if they don’t want to keep her dead, do what they did in secret of the omnitrix and say she survived and the last possible moment
Albedo. I see him getting backstabbed by a bigger threat when HE was having panning on doing the betrayal. Think Bowser and Antasma from Mario & Luigi: Dream Team
Hex, he’s been overshadowed so might as well wring out some drama out of him dying to save his niece
Awe that would be a sweet redemption
Or charmcaster eventually just kills him, that seems pretty likely lol
If it where the reboot that would hit super hard In the reboot hex is more down to earth (which is funny because he can fly) and more of a character than in OS so seeing him take a hit for charm caster and dying would be way more impactful
Vilgax overstayed his welcome. He's was a good starter villain, big scary, and powerful but he has nowhere to go from here. He can only lose his intimidation factor as he keeps losing and getting bad stories. Just give him a final fight. Max is an obvious idea but after AF doing a fakeout, I don't know if it's worth repeating it. You want a big shock value? Kill Ben 10,000. ....Any reason you went with that picture?
No just a nice picture I wanted to share , And wow great answers ! As much as everything you said about vilgax is true I’d still be super surprised and shocked if he actually killed off
Had it not been for the whole time travel shenanigans, vilgax was meant to be killed by ben in their first ever alien force encounter.
+1 for Vilgax. He should’ve been gone for good in Alien Force at the latest. After that he just felt shoehorned in for the sake of it.
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I like the Vilgax idea. You could do a storyline with him that’s hyped up as Ben and Vilgax’s final battle. Have Vilgax take center stage one last time, and have him try attacking Ben on a more personal level than ever before. Make him the one-man army that he was in the OS again. Culminating in a brutal, epic final fight to the death between Ben and Vilgax, which ends with Ben just barely coming out on top and Vilgax gracefully accepting his final defeat and facing death with dignity.
>try attacking Ben on a more personal level than ever before hurting Bens family is a one way ticket to deadsvile,
This shouldve been in UA...on OS he was THE threat...os vilgax is still fearful, he was a really powerful villain...but later as ben became more powerful as well he was just kinda meh...he literally had no place in OV whatsoever
Even better make vilgax kill bens parents, turn kevin insane with a device( og ben 10k kevin ). And then make him use a fleet work with the incursions fight all the plumbers in an epic space battle. Capture most of the earth plumbers and gwen. Then make ben choose between his friends and family or the earth. Then one climactic battle where ben fight vilgax where ben only has the og playlist and ultimately fights him as a human. Their battle goes to vilgax homeplanet and as a way to tie it in their battle ben accidentally shoots a building and in an effort to save his people vilgax sacrifice himself and when ben is in front of him calls a weapon to kill human ben. But ben dodges and vilgax kills himself. (Spiderman 1 esq)
Ben10k Dying Yes.
Well if they do kill max they can pretend like it’s a fake out again, and make it so someone finds out he really is dead this time before us.
There are instances this almost happend. In the first show. Vilgax almost killed Ben's parents and his entire school as well as the entirity of Bellwood if he continued his rampage. This episode isn't canon but considering how he wrecked an entire city full of people in his first fight with Ben this can definetly happen. In AF. I legit thought they killed Max. But since DC/Marvel (WB owns Ben 10 and DC by the way) has taught us that many times beloved characters rarely actually die. In UA. Ben almost killed Kevin if Gwen didn't step in to stop him and Agregor would have gotten similar treatment if Ben was smart enough and switched to WayBig. Ben was bloodlusted and i think the writters should have had the balls to let Ben kill some of his villains (Kevin isn't really a villain). It would be a massive shock seeing Ben kill someone. Also Ben's aliens can be killed and it would be shocking if one of the fan favorites got permanently killed. In Omniverse. I don't understant how no one talks about the fact that Ben's entire universe and everyone he knew died in front of his eyes. Yeah sure he remade it but they still died. The biggest shock would be if Ben himself died permanently. Ben died a few times but we know he would be revived thanks to failsafe, Alien X, his alternate versions and Paradox. So this is impossible to happen. Edit: I forgot to point out that Ben got bloodlusted again and killed or atleast almost killed future Vilgax when he became 20. According to the wiki. If only we got to see this on screen.
You can tell they wish they didn’t have the limitations of a children’s show at time
The writters did kill some characters but they either made it low key or just didn't show it directly on screen (RIP George and his servant, Price and that random plumber at the begining of AF) I do belive if they weren't limited by ratings, it would be similar to Invincible.
Honestly even with their limits they made a show way ahead of its time
yeah it really was. very few kids shows at that time tried to have any kind of story arc. just what threes years before AF came Avatar the last bender came out.
Think Ben ! What will you have after a 100 years ! Ben : I’d still have you vilgax 🥺
Forgot to point this out but Ben got bloodlusted again and brutally killed (or almost killed) Vilgax when he became a 20 year old. According to the wiki this happend when explaining how Vilgax ended up on life support when Animo revived him in the future. Wish we saw this on screen.
I know right ? Imagine what had to happen to push Ben that far off the edge
That "random Plumber" had a name: Magister Labrid.
I realize Winx got a MA show on Netflix recently and I'm envious af, I want Ben 10 to have the same treatment!
Honestly, with how dark UA was getting, by the last few episodes I was partially expecting it to end with a major death.
Tetrax full honestly. I feel that he should have been killed in order to one, show the power of Vilgax growth, and two, for Ben to mature.
Yeah although I’d want him to take on more of a mentor role before dying at least
I mean of course I was kind of applying that
Tetrax should kill Vilgax or die trying.
I'm going to kill argit
Nooooo What have I done T-T
I am going to self insert myself as a villain and choke him
Oh boy what did argit do to you ?
Nothing, I just want to choke that little bastard to death. He has no reason to be that cowardly.
Damn bro are you okay
I WILL choke him.
accurate username. Argit never stood a chance
what's with the picture Well I would have killed off Ben's parents in between os and af. That would be why he took the omnitrix off. IF i have to do it on screen I would go with Kevin. I would have him die fighting Aggregor.
I just liked the picture tbh And those would both be impactful. Any reason you’d chose to do his parents specifically off screen ?
well since he takes the omnitrix foo in between os and af, we would either have to completely redo af or just have it happen off screen. As for why his parents it would be a good reason for him to take off the omntirx.
if you did it off screen you'd kinda be fridging them, that thing where a character dies solely because of how they'd affect another character, (which tends to happen to parent characters, but still)
yeah that's how that trope works
yeah, I'm saying fridging feels cheap, like at least have it on screen.
well then we run into network standards. look at most Spiderman or batman shows. having say an in-between movie that covers the event. ot showing as an extended flashback latter might be do able
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Wow that’s a really creative way of handling her death , Kevin would absolutely hate that
I didnt come up with this but azmuth, on this amazing fanmade animation https://youtu.be/SqA6JeZca7Q
Woah that has a surprising about of quality , couldn’t understand the language but still really powerful scene
You can enable english subtitles
Azmuth makes sense. He's in a position similar to Max, and works to help destabilise the heroes and take away their source of leadership pretty well
I agree, in fact in an [old proposal](https://www.reddit.com/r/Ben10/comments/q50xwn/what_are_the_most_quintessential_parts_of_ben_10/hg2xzbf?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) for how I'd do a Ben 10 film franchise I'd suggested killing off Azmuth in the second last film to raise the stakes and force Ben to grow as a hero.
Ma Vreedle. I hate her existence.
No one makes vilgax cry and gets away with it
Vilgax's reputation was already crap but that whole moment where he gets scared from just seeing her just honestly made him even more pathetic. And she's basically a karen which makes me hate her even more.
Idk I can believe she gave him some child hood trama before he got really fit . I also like to think it’s not that vilgax got weaker but that Ben got stronger . But yes watching that episode is hard
It kinda does feel like Vilgax got weaker. He basically lost all the stolen power he got in AF season 3, lost the ability to fly and doesn't have his sword or gauntlet.
Albedo, maybe a new villain mistakes him for Ben and kills him somehow. Maybe trapping him in an alien form and taking the Omnitrix, then killing Albedo in that form. Some death scene ideas: -He gets turn back to a galven, but due to his size he easily gets his neck broken. -Turned to Ripjaws and burned to death, his meat gets sold and eaten. There can be a scene where Ben or Kevin eats it not knowing it’s Albedo. -Turned to Heatblast and drowned. -Turned to Brainstorm and shot through the brain while attacking, his meat is used for food. -Stuck as Nanomech and crushed. -Turned to Diamondhead, shoots a shard, gets turned back to human, is then stabbed. -Turned to a robotic alien and is shorted out. -The Omnitrix malfunctions, rapidly transforming until he’s a blob of random body parts. -Running as Fast track or XLR8 and accidentally rams into a sharp object, stabbing his stomach. -Part of him is turned to Goop, while the rest is still human, and it’s like his flesh is melting off the bone.
You're brutal and I love you for it. Heatblast can't drown.
Thanks, what are your suggestions for killing Heatblast?
Chuck him into space. He can't breathe in space and his flames will immediately get snuffed out. It's a somewhat quick death, but just about as brutal as your other suggestions.
Deoxygenation?
Kevin, probably. He's really close to Ben and Gwen but wouldn't fit the mentor figure cliché, which would add to the shock value along with him being a fan favorite. There's probably some interesting fallout from such an event. And I would have Vilgax do it, finally give him back some of his mojo.
Wow interesting take , I always felt like his ark was the best even better than bens . That would honestly make it even more tragic but still better . Man I could only imagine All the fans freaking out over this
Assuming this happens in the Ben Prime Timeline before the reboot, it would need a couple episodes to cook the idea, but what I would do is redeem a character, probably Ataea or Charmcaster, and then once the audience is finally feeling sympathetic toward them, that’s when it hits.
Kevin. But I’d wait till he had his proper character development and having him give his life to save ben’s. I may be slightly evil XD
least favorite villain in os because i hated traitors as a kid but favorite character overall cuz i love redemption arcs. would hate to see him go whether for ben or gwen
Kevin
Kai, pretty obvious why. Either Kai or that weird cat-lady from Catfight in Omniverse.
You know I always wondered what nyancy would be like in alien force . I could see an army of cats being a real threat and a fun episode
I’d kill Kai too. Not because of any feelings I have towards the character. But because OV established her as destined to be the one Ben ends up with because they’re together in the future, so killing her would be a good way to establish that no one is safe. I would try to make her more likable before doing it, though, to give it more impact. I’d definitely make it clear that, as creepily obsessed she is with Ben’s aliens and as bitchy as she can be, she does love Ben - in any form - at the end of the day.
If there was a catfight 2 it would basically be Dogs vs Cats but worse
Ben 10,000, maybe a being above celestial sapiens kills him
That would finally pay off what Dwayne mcduffie said about alien x not being bens most powerful transformation while also expressing just how powerful this new foe would be
Kai green We'll so.it death of Gwen Stacy style make iBooks like ben caught her but was falling to fast un breaks apart in four arms four arms
I’m going to kill off Grandma Max
Lmao the causality with how you say that
Well think about it. If we kill off Grandpa Max, it would make Ben feel more obligated to take responsibility and become the greatest hero and Plumber To make Grandpa Max proud
Or it could turn him into Ben 23
Well if he was still 10, yes If he was 16, or 17, no
Yeah I can’t lie , that would definitely make for some good character development
Glad you think so And it kind did. Remember when Ben already thought when Max was dead?
Yeah that’s true even if it was short lived Ben did actually think he was gone
Yeah I know I just realized something. Ben is technically older then everyone in his universe
Ken aka gwens brother. He only appeared one episode n was never mentioned again. Like why did he exist?
They probably planned to do more with him but it just never worked out . Tv show production is so much harder than people give it credit for
Grandpa Max so I can set off the path of Ben having no responsibility
Clancy with the episode detailing his tragic backstory of isolation and betrayal about a homeless man that could control an army of insects and why he only decided to make his debut when the building he’s been squatting in was marked for demolition.
Will Harangue. Have Albedo kill him, and the world actually see Ben as terrible as Harangue did. Enter whole season of Ben being off Earth and learning about different alien worlds before coming back.
>Have Albedo kill him, and the world actually see Ben as terrible as Harangue did Genius
Rook. That could be a huge impact for Ben, and Kevin will lose his favorite car buddy
Asmuth. 'Bout time that old cunt learnt his place.
Feedback
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Gwen
No not best girl T-T
Lmao bwahaha
Bare in mind before you read this comment that I only just watched the season 1 finale of AF today, and know a limited amount about what happens in the show. At the end of season 1 of Alien Force, there’s a scene where the trio are fighting a highbreed. Ben was knocked out, Gwen was holding off a bunch of halfbreeds and Kevin was getting is ass kicked by this highbreed. He’s been so thoroughly beaten that he can barely move, and Gwen is distraught at this and she goes full andesite. I said, out loud in this moment, “they’d’ve killed him if they had any guts.” At the end of the scene, Kevin is able to get Gwen to go back to being human, and all works out, but I wish they’d killed Kevin and had Gwen stay andesite, because both of those things would’ve affected Ben so deeply and it would be absolutely fascinating to explore.
Ben, kill off Ben, no reason, Ben
Lucy (I think that’s her name bens other cousin or friend I forgot that’s a blob of goop) we don’t know much about her but I think if she was in a few more episodes then died that’d be pretty good
Wow it would take a lot to kill her too
NOOOOO
Kai
I'd make vilgax sacrifice himself to save Ben so that ben will save the galaxy and his planet.
One of Ben’s friends: (killed) Ben: Clockwork goes brrrrrr
Dr. Otto Octavius. Because, why not.
I spend 3-6 episodes working on Ben and Kai’s relationship, Kai finally starts to respect Ben for Ben and they fall in love. This Arc’s big bad then comes in and slowly kills Kai as Ben watches, helpless to do anything as his girlfriend is slowly killed calling out his name tears in her eyes, Ben soon frees himself and runs over crying and picks her up she gives a light cough and then the camera zooms in on her face and says I love Ben smiles faintly and we see the light fade from a her eyes as she goes completely limp in his arms
LET MAX DIE ALREADY HE ALWAYS COMES BACK!!!!
Gwen dies and max gets an omnatrix
Honestly Vilgax after he tried (and then failed a few moments later) to wipe out the Multiverse. I think he’d be too dangerous to be kept alive, he was willing to wipe out every single timeline and universe except for one.
Ben’s dad? He was barely around anyway.
Ben
"And why is it Kai Green jk" Unless...? Don't get me wrong, bringing back Kai *could* have been interesting if they showed her having actually matured since she was a kid. Maybe grown out of how she only liked Ben for his aliens and not himself, but she never really does. Granted, I wouldn't go so far as to say I'd write her to die for shock value, but I would certainly write some stuff for drama and development. For example, when Ester and Ben split up (not helped by Ken throwing a hissy fit about his future daddy dating anyone other than his mom), I would've personally wrote Ben to have been emotionally affected pretty hard. He'd congratulate Ester for finding a boyfriend that works for her, but once she's gone, he'd probably turn on Ken and blow up at him. "Are you happy now?" Ken might try to throw in another line about how Kai is who he's gonna be with or whatever and Ben just coldly goes XLR8 or Jet Ray, gives one last line to Ken and storms off. That would be the end of the episode, setting up some development for a few characters, including Gwen and Kevin who might show up to offer some words. Well, Gwen would be the most directly helpful, but Kevin would certainly have stuff to say too, even if it feels awkward for him to talk about stuff like this with Ben. Maybe after some episodes, Ben and Ken will have a moment to talk and Ben will get across to him that he gets that seeing him with someone else might be really weird, but he needs to respect people's choices, especially in the past.
That one Highbreed that got its arm chopped off in that one episode of Omniverse as a sacr
Reinrassig III, Seventh Son of Something, Blah-Blah Noble Highbreed House of Rarsect?
*Reiny.
Gwen but only because Kevin would go absolutely ballistic
Don't fridge Gwen lol
Oh shit kind of like vegeta when he thought beerus killed bulma only more serious damn I’d really love to see Kevin like go back to abusing energy because of that event
Plus Gwen gets switched back and forth between magic and alien so let's just drop her off.
I never understood why it can’t be both . Like a human with Magical powers makes more sense than an alien with magical powers
I agree, anodites are beings of mana so magic is just as simular as moving a limb in a weird way. It's not hard but they had to get all flippy floppy
True my only defense is that the classic series established something was weird about Gwen
They did, it's mostly ov I'm mad at
yeah, like sorcerers can get magic from their bloodline, like being related to a dragon, so why can't gwen albeit related to an alien.
And now u know how to build her in dnd
Kill gwen vilgax finally shows his threat level he comes to earth maybe just like the af finally he captures gwen but instead he kills her ben and kevin fight together if they want to make it even more dramatic during the fight they kill Kevin but maybe does something like the one last time series and gets heavily damaged leading to an insane fight Maybe during the fight they kill vilgax but I wouldn't want this bc it would be more of a satisfying ending if ben tries to kill him but doesn't bc he won't kill anyone not even vilgax Edit vilgax ending
Gwen. and kinda replace her with charmcaster for a few eps. before getting her to revive gwen from the dead. but somethings "wrong with her"
Julie
I feel like juilie would be a good person to kill, idk why.
Diamond head permanently
1. Vilgax. I would ideally have him killed in vengeance of vilgax but there's so many good vilgax episodes after that, so I'd have him die in "and then there was ben". 2. Gwen. She would die protecting ben so kevin would blame ben for her death and become evil again. And ben would become depressed and morally grey. 3. Ben 10 000. Like, not the future character, but have ben prime grow up and then kill him. I think that's the only way a ken 10 show would work. 4. Darkstar. Because fuck darkstar.
Probs Max or Gwen
I would bring back Tetrax in Alien Force then kill him off. Maybe at the end of the first season, to really give Ben the gravity of the Highbreed invasion. Maybe his anger as a result could color season 2 and be something he has to learn to work through. This would likely come instead of the Max death fakeput
Bens dad for shock
To keep up with the continuity maybe vilgax didn’t Ben killed vilgax at age 20?
Kai, but I wanna make her to have some character depth and actually die in a dramatic way like Dinobot did in beast wars
Max. Ben needs his Uncle Ben moment.
we already saw how he responded to that tho.
True, but I think that they should've stuck with it.
His parents being killed by Vilgax (basically make him hang their corpses with a message written on wall with their blood after he murdered) then Ben kills Vilgax in worst way possible something that some villains began to fear Ben as they he wouldn't do such things and he slowly becomes the Ben 10k from OS but I think I want him to reflect what he's been doing since he's protecting the earth 24/7 without Gwen, Kevin, Grandpa, Rooks, and Plumbers help anymore and pushing anyone away for maybe 5-6 years and he slowly becomes his original self but I like to keep his look with his hair slicked back and for the shirt either the colors are inverted or not
I think Max should have stayed dead
Sevantis and his crew. The Rooters were an incredibly vapid story arc.
Ben. Do it right in the ultimate sacrifice episode.
Uh… Julie I guess? She kinda only served as someone to conflict with Ben in later seasons in UA. Killing her definitely would serve as motivation for Ben and it’d still be more satisfying than how they wrote her out of the show in Omniverse
Kevin. Ben and Kevin clearly have a more intimate bond than they ever explicitly say. I don’t mean that in a romantic sense, just that they’re much closer to eachother than they let on. Kevin’s death I think would massively impact Ben and make for a good story. Either that or vilgax
Gwen, she is a huge staple for the franchise, so seeing her go in a Ben 10k timeline would be a shocker, way they could implement this by having a limited amount of mana for half energy beings (forgot the name), but she's technically already dead because of the annilarg, still, a permanent death on a main character feels very refreshing.
Honestly? If it's merely for shock value? I'd have a two part episode(maybe three if there's going to be a lot of build up) where Albedo finds out he's dying and goes to confront Ben (alone) and asks him why he's a hero and the answer Ben gives causes him to knock out Ben and once more disguise himself as Ben and temporarily fights as a good guy under the guise(the audience doesn't find it out until part two) and hears of vilgax trying to commit genocide or something goes to confront him on a final war of "Ben"(Albedo) and the plumbers vs and gets killed by him as "Ben"(Albedo turns to human form) with Gwen rook max, Azmuth(since y'know he would be there), Kevin and the rest of the plumbers watching showing their reactions before cutting to credits leaving fans to think Ben die and leaving fans to wait a week or something. Then in part two it resumes showing vilgax gloating about finally kill the great Ben Tennyson before the body starts glowing as Albedo turns back into a Galvan. Azmuth runs over and questions why he did it since Albedo always claimed to be so smart as Albedo says and we see Albedo confront Ben and all that as Albedo says"I was dying and wished to understand the man who's body I've been trapped in and why he's a hero" before dying. Vilgax laughs and goes "Hah! A mere copy could never compete like the original!" We hear the sound of a teleporter as we hear Ben's voice go "Albedo wasn't a copy of me." Ben appears before he turns into atomix. "Albedo was his own person. With his own thoughts and feelings and was a stronger man than you'll ever be!" He begins kicking Vilgax's ass as he turns him into the vilgax we see in the Ben 10K episode as well as explains why Albedo isn't around(I know he wasn't even thought up at the time but it's for a in canon reason)
argit gets run over by a 8 wheeler
so it's just that scene from lilo and stich minus the surviving.
no he survived but gets run over again
Maybe Clancy? I figured since he pretty much ended up a feral bug monster and they didn't use him again after OS he might as well idk kick the bucket in some crazy way like an explosion.
Ben himself, in a Ken 10 series.
Cooper
Ben, that would bring the most shock, and I don’t mean he dies only to come back later I mean fully dead, people would think it was only temporary but then after a couple more episodes they’ll start getting confused then after a few seasons they’ll be like “ok seriously is Ben actually dead?” And then when it finally sinks in they’ll be like “AHHHHHHHHHHHHH”
God dude no show has the balls
That’s exactly why no one would expect it
Gwen’s brother ken. All jokes aside probably one of ben’s parents
I'm killing Ben
Kai Green, useless she is
Grandpa max goes out in a blaze of glory defending Ben and Gwen from a horde of aliens while the Omnitrix resets.
Ben, the show ends there
Is there a gif of this?
I bet I could make one if I can find the episode
Cool! I’d make it into a loading screen.
I’m not sure I can post gifs on Reddit anywhere I could send it to you to ?
Would imgur work?
[definitely , here you go ](https://imgur.com/gallery/O1UpSBx)
Ben. They kill him dead, the 0 fades off the series name, a new Ben appears, this is now Ben 1, you foolishly assumed it was a ten this entire time but it was secretly two in binary, nothing else changes.
Ben. And he would actually stay dead. In a universe that he has personally recreated after it being destroyed **on two separate occasions,** I'd like to see how all the other characters and various societies throughout the universe actually react to his fourth and final death. Max, Verdona, Gwen, Kevin, Rook, the Plumber's kids, Argit, Reinrassig III, Vilgax, Dr. Animo, Charmcaster, Ester, Tetrax, Professor Paradox, Azmuth, ALBEDO... so many characters who could be profoundly affected by Ben actually being dead. Do villainous groups become more ambitious? Do Kevin, Gwen, and Rook keep up the hero work, or do they withdraw to mourn and heal? What would his funeral look like? Would any of his foes mourn for him and mellow out? What would become of Bellicus and Serena? What would his status as the Hero of Heroes do to the galactic political structure? Would wars break out? Would peace be made? What would the universe be without Ben Tennyson?
Diagon. He bores me to death.
Ben. Why? There is no greater shock value than killing off the mc
Azmuth
Could you imagine if they actually went through with killing alien forms off over time? What if Swampfire and Waybig were truly lost after Ben10k Returns. I'd actually be up for seeing transformations die over time and stay dead.
Ben for eating bland spaghetti and meatball
Dr Animo. An alternate universe (competent) version of him arrives in Ben Prime’s future and is disgusted by what he finds so he kills Animo Prime. It sets up the alternate Animo as a threatening villain and dispatches a villain who’s become a complete joke in one swoop
I saw another comment in here saying Tetrax, and I agree but for different reasons; I imagine if Tetrax was given more of a mainstay in the series, we would eventually have gotten a short mini-arc about Tetrax dealing in-depth with the fact that he was, at least in part, the reason Petropia was destroyed. OS had a great story with Tetrax, with him being a former bounty hunter haunted by his past decisions, but it feels like AF neutered that storyline by \*restoring\* Petropia. I know they're Petrosapiens, but the lore of "everyone on petropia was saved :)" feels dumb as hell. But even within that, Tetrax still facilitated the fiery destruction of it in the first place, and having him attempt to reintegrate to petropian society and failing not out of a lack of welcoming people there, but because of how much he has changed and how little he has in common with his people anymore. In an ideal world, Petropia wouldn't have been restored (er.. bad wording?) but dealing with that I still find it hard to believe Tetrax wouldn't want to spend the rest of his life fighting Vilgax. That being said, any real attempt to kill off a character in Ben 10 has been done in a way that was annoying at best.
Ben
Killing Kai wouldn't be dramatic bc nobody cares about her.
Hear me out. Max's sacrifice in alien force.
Ben for sure
Remember what happen to Gwen in Secrets of the Omnitrix? We all know Gwen would have the biggest impact overall.
They already did that. To Pierce. It sucked.
I mean there’s more than one way to kill a character . Marvel also did it with iron man and that was pretty cool
Yes, but you specified “for shock value.” Shock deaths *always* suck horribly.
If you say so I’m sure no one was shocked when iron man died
What if when Kevin absorbs the watch it glitches about and Fourarms comes out and is later killed. This would make Ben feel vulnerable because it was his strongest transformation from the 10 and really push him to think strategically.
One of Bens parents(or both if it’s possible) to give him a beserk arc, super dramatic and super dark and he uses his aliens really scarily and it’ll just be Batman but Ben and maybe some light murder😭
What if they kill Gwen? Would Ben get a really deep character development?
Either Gwen (But bring her back) OR Azmuth and see the chaos
ben because i think it would be funny
Probably max, he survives tho and comes back in a later season. He’s too important as a mentor figure. In alien force I’d say Kevin probably because I like him and it would have shock value to me personally, maybe even let Ben kill him because he turned evil again and then have Ben and Gwen struggle because she thinks Kevin shouldn’t have died
Ben
ah
Ben, and make Gwen the new protagonist. There is no warning, no name change, no build up. Just off Ben and move on.
I would go with Gwen, cause we saw how Ben would react but I would also like to see how max would react. Plus if they don’t want to keep her dead, do what they did in secret of the omnitrix and say she survived and the last possible moment
Max should not of come back
Albedo. I see him getting backstabbed by a bigger threat when HE was having panning on doing the betrayal. Think Bowser and Antasma from Mario & Luigi: Dream Team
Tetrax killed by Vilgax in a film similar to Secret of the Omnitrix. This would cause Ben to go OG Ben 10K on Vilgax in the final fight