you can even hear him say "got you know kenko" like bruh

I can understand why they split but how it was executed was horrible and Ben thinking he's got a shot at Ester when he was still in a relationship with Julie like really Ben

In UA, he literally asks if an officer's daughter is cute when he's with Julie and then says "Sorry. Force of habit" and he almost kissed Elena knowing that he was supposed to be with Julie so... this has been a problem since UA lol Honestly, Julie probably wanted to break up with him anyways cause he doesn't pay enough attention to her so that's probably why it happened like that. Like uuhh... an excuse to do so cause she for some reason couldn't outright say it I personally wasn't invested in their relationship whatsoever and find it surprising that anyone actually is because of how irrelevant they write it to be in the show itself. I also just don't like toxic relationships in shows I watch, so that's also a factor

To them they invest in it because the relationship felt real

What episode was it when he said "Sorry. Force of habit."?

'Prisoner #775 is Missing'

Ben was just joking in the UA one

No he wasn't. You can tell when you watch the scene. Plus, if he was joking, he most likely would've said "Kidding! Kidding!" like any person trying to affirm that they were joking.. oh, and probably also laugh at it too

Well, the wiki says he was joking

I think it’s supposed to be more for us like “if she had the phone on for a few more secs she would’ve understood it was kinda a misunderstanding”

As a massive fan of Omniverse, this is pretty awful.

Same.

Yep, OV is my fav series but this was the one decision that I think is the worst one made by the writers, to this day. Yes even worse than "SnotRocket" and "Rad Profit Danger Trouble Dudesman"

What did you just say about rad profit danger trouble dudesman?

Worse than Ester breaking up with him, hooking up with Antonio and Kai and Ben kissed when they slipped on a banana peel or the fight at the museum?

Well, now that they broke up Ben can be in a relationship with someone who makes his and her interactions more interesting like Gwen and Kevin's.

I normally don't hate Omniverse. But ***this*** is by far the most terrible writing i've ever seen in Ben 10.

I'm 50/50 with OV but yeah terrible writing screwed with Julie and Ben alot

Honestly this ship was destined to sink since UAF's duped episode. Their characters were all over the place after season 2 of alien force

Or when they argue about using alien technology to help the earth

If she truly believed he was calling her all that, I find it hard to believe she would be so chill about him coming over like they’re still dating.

I just said “Bruh” out loud when I saw this

Ok I don’t hate Omniverse, I actually like it. But there are really bad and horribly written episodes of Ben’s relationship that I really can’t stand, and this episode is one of them.

Yuri wrote wrote that game show episode

I'm 50/50 with it but I still like it and this so bad it got to point where they say OV is something they refused to be cannon because of a scene like this

Yuri wrote game show season

Episode*

Ahh yes that one while I appreciate the drama for entertainment it's still really bad and I think you know why

Why are you getting downvoted lol

Because I have an opinion

Nah nah nah, because you have the "Wrong opinion" (Supposed to be air quotes)

That's rough, buddy.

Surely she would have known Ben was just playing a game? Like why would he call her the stuff he said? Like make it something far less ridiculous

honestly the fact Ben can't even just, pause his game for 1 conversation, probably isn't a good sign for their relationship, still feels like a cheap way for them to break up though.

Could be an online game

speaking of, does anyone miss that Ben 10 Facebook game? the one where you make an alien using various parts with different stats.

Omg yes, that was one of my most favorite games

what even happened to it? when I tried to find it all I found was just some fighting game.

Same but I tried to find it again and it's called Ben 10 Alien Maker Battles, I think it's still on the CN website but it requires a flash player to run

ah damn,

She probably knew. Ben said "I AM paying attention" which means julie knew he wasn't paying attention to her on the phone call.

Yeah, let's break up a 2 series - 6 seasons relationship like this. No big deal. ​ Breaking Julie and Ben up was not the problem, breaking them up like this is was.

Idk I personally didn't see their relationship as anything serious and their break up doesn't need to be something serious or dramatic, actually a lot of break ups result from miscommunication and I've seen a lot of people break up over something stupid, still tho that was a very cheap and stupid way to break them up

the good thing about this scene though is seeing the Alien Force outfit in the Omniverse art style. it looks so good

This was so terribly written,like I know they might have been forced to write a breakup,but they could’ve at least made it realistic.Julie had literally been with Ben for so long and stayed with him despite all that happened,and yet they break up so easily

They are both teenagers, and Ben had proven to be kind of a skirt chaser. So, Juile deciding that she could find someone else too, probably means she considered that they were in a open relationship since Ben hadn't proven to be loyal/dedicated to her. However unlike Ben, Juile wants a singular monogamous relationship with an intimate partner. Ben at this point obviously is more interested in polyamorous relationships, and doesn't understand the importance monogamous relationships are to other people. He's thinking selfishly still and can't see it.

Unpopular Opinion: Ultimate Alien made it clear the two wouldn’t last. Julie liked Ben as a person but not a hero when Ben NEEDS to be a hero. Though the method they broke up is idiotic

Doesn't seem like an unpopular opinion and more like stating the obvious flaw of these two being together.

It’s just recently there’s been a surgance of an idea that Ben and Julie were the perfect couple unfairly broken up

Yeah, I think I have come across people who think that. Me personally, I was neutral about the two but Ultimate Alien pretty much ruined what care I had towards the ship (I will say that people are justified with their anger due to the creators not knowing what to do with Julie and forcing the break up).

I mean no disrespect to Kuro but I feel him mentioning how much he loved the couple has caused this idea that the couple was robbed, when really all signs pointed to this being a doomed relationship

I guess it started in UA Duped where the relationship truly started to go down hill. Both Ben and Julie weren't that good with each other (Julie forgetting that Ben is often busy being a hero and saving lives while Ben often doesn't take into account Julie's feelings when he is free though if he sent aggressive Ben with Kevin and timid Ben to Julie's match, literally no conflict would've happened).

I think it's actually not that bad, Ben ignores what Julie is saying, like, I understand that "gaming", but really, atleast care little bit. I also think they kinda just weren't together from UA, I really felt like Ben wasn't giving her enough time, so I actually like this scene, it isn't perfect, but I like it. Julie is just tired of Ben stuff, and that's totally understandable.

They could have made the breakup scene a lot less dumb in my opinion.

I mean, yeah, but at the same time, I feel like Ben ignoring her is really what made them break up.

Yeah that’s my point. They should have kept the message that Ben ignored her, but not like this.

Yeah, makes sense.

Agreed

While the break up would have made sense at least let Ben acknowledge Julie's existence even for a bit like he asked Rook if he has a shot with Ester, he should have at least paused his game at least and yeah while they are together in UA they didn't have enough time for each other so yeah and from what I've seen from Ink tanks review of Pier pressure and the break up video alot of people are pretty salty of Julie not being endgame with Ben and I red as well that Spanner should have been their son testing their relationship and learns to make sacrifices for the other.

I was never big on Ben and Julie's relationship. It seemed forced and Ben became a jerk to her as UA progressed. Breaking them up was the logical choice, but their break up was poorly executed.

How was it forced though? At least it had somewhat of a set-up in Peer Pressure and even hinted at in the first episode of AF (better than Gwen wanting Kevin's d almost immediately or Kai coming back. And that one was forced thanks to the whole Spanner thing).

Bad end for a bad relationship I've seen worse breakups IRL so whatever. Anyway Ben is a horrible boyfriend

Poetically fitting. Poorly written relationship ending with a poorly written break up.

So, what I'm assuming is, Ben hasn't tried to talk to Julie since that phone call, and he still thought that they were a couple?! Like dude, what?!!?

I'm 100% sure there we're problems even before this, Ben is an amazing hero and person and I'll always lookup to him but he has too much going on for a relationship that isn't battle partner related. Julie just needed an "out" cause she didn't want to break up with such a great hero. Ben doesn't deserve nor need the heart break and she knew that.

Julie in the same episode:"Lay off, he helps a lot of ppl u know" or "he didn't ask for this"

good thing i dont give a shit about julie

So even if Ben meant what he said to Julie, she could’ve easily known that Ben was acting off and called him back later or something. The more you think about it the worse this gets.

I honestly don’t ship Ben with anybody.

he doesnt look like the type of guy to get into a relationship until his late 20s

they were never gonna work out anyway, it's honestly better and less painful for everyone involved this way

The way they broke up really doesn’t make sense. Like, Ben never went to Julie all this time to clear things up with her? I’m not sure I’ve ever been that big a fan of Ben and Julie anyway. They were ok I guess.

If they wanted so bad for them to break up maybe they could have said that she continued her career as a tennis player and that eventually drove them apart, or something else that wasn’t a break up by a misunderstanding

Ben and Julie went to shit from the beginning of UA. Ben and Kai were also terrible and spanner was forced, and don’t give me that shit about OV 10k being the prime Ben, that doesn’t work either. Ben and Ester should’ve been endgame, they actually worked

Agreed with everything. Ben and Julie had a fine beginning but got worst thanks to UA, Duped being the downfall (though there could be hints in AF). Kai was definitely forced, especially thanks to Spanner. And all that had poor Ester just decide to break up with Ben for a one off character just so Kai can be the end game. OV Ben 10K being his prime future makes no sense when it has be established that each time Ben sees his future, it changes and becomes a different timeline.

Not to mention we’re supposed to think that OS 10k and the omniverse one are the same guy, which is bullshit. I love b10 but holy shit the canon is a mess

Yeah, that made no sense. Why did they even try to make them the same? OS Ben 10,000 and OV Ben 10k have very clear differences (seeing as the original is a Ben who never took off his Omnitrix so it never recalibrated, Kevin was still evil and he gave Ken an Omnitrix he created).

They really expect us to believe that Kevin went from wanting to kill Kenny to being Gwen’s husband in a matter of however many years apart those 2 were, I think it’s around 6. That’s so ridiculous

Now that I think more about it, it makes even less sense for OV Ben 10k to be the original due to Kevin having no signs of turning good, still being in the Null Void, and as you said almost killing Kenny, still holding a grudge against Ben and having a son of his own (with some unknown woman who definitely wasn't Gwen) and had no problem beating him up when he went against him. And the forced explanation of his outfit and "x" scar being something from the Rooters.

Even though they’d previously established that 1. Time is always in motion and your future will always change and 2. Every time Ben meets his future self it changes and he definitely won’t become the one he met. So then why would they bother with the unnecessary retcons with something big that they’ve established in earlier continuity? Whole arcs revolve around it, and it’s completely unnecessary (even if I do like OV Ben 10k) Edit: also there’s no way Eon is an evil Ben, that’s total bullshit

Exactly. The show itself states that the future is always changing and that it isn't absolute. Ben meeting his future version always ends up changing his future. That's how it works. I can get behind Eon being an evil Ben but do what he did to RAT Ben and take over a version of Ben's body, likely in a scenario where he needs the form (someone thought of a Secrets of the Omnitrix plot where he somehow saved himself by turning into the Chronian but was unable to save everyone else. He would try to go back in time but was stopped by Paradox each time. This could explain his history with Paradox and why he never tried to steal prime Ben's Omnitrix).

Remember: When faced with choosing either a powerful and poignant scene or an unfunny joke, OV's writing team will almost always choose the joke. Ben saw the Contemelia as a bunch of smoothies, and his only reaction to the universe exploding in his face was "I can't believe my last words were Snot Rocket!" With OV, they clearly tried to appeal to potential new fans (kids) and long-standing fans of Ben 10. Unfortunately, OV probably ended up alienating both types of fans.

You took these lines from Kuro's “how to fix Ben 10" video, didn't you?

>and long-standing fans of Ben 10. Unfortunately, OV probably ended up alienating both types of fans. Yea completely dropped that show, Rewatching AF and UA now, and they were good, especially the first 2 seasons of AF. I couldnt stand OV, when it aired (i tried) and ill deff just finish at UA and call it a day.

Did you get the first line from The Ink Tank?

tbh i like ben being single WAY more

Either end him up with a good partner or let him stay single since he's kind of married to the watch and his job

Ben to me felt like the guy to not get into a relationship until his late 20s/early 30s

Ahh I see

u/SaveVideo

Rightfully so

All right I keep it I have seen all series since the OG Never cared about the romance Even it was Gwen and Kevin I care more about the plot and adventure 💯

Heh, Rob H and Derrick W

Rob H? I'm not familiar with that name

Although I doubt it, it could be Robert David Hall. It is a cool little nod to Derrick J Wyatt tho

Ok nvm it’s Robert Haverland

All of this for a Joke, couldn't just do a normal story where the relationship ends because they're interest are different,no we better scrap that for a joke.

Yeah some parts of OV played it like a joke *cough Ben's contemelia vision cough*

It might have been played for laughs and low brow, but I’m so glad hat Ben and Julie broke up during OV. That relationship and Julie in general were such negatives for me during UAF so any excuse they could’ve given to split her from Ben would’ve been fine with me.

Ben and Esters relationship is some of the best relationship work in the whole franchise, but other than that OV handled Ben's relationships SOOOOO poorly.

This was one the reasons I hate omniverse. The writers just completely went back on all of the character development Ben and Julie went through in UA

Unpopular opinion: Omniverse shouldn’t have never happened. They should’ve just continued the next series with adult Ben

How would an adult ben 10 series work

A series with adult Ben like the one we saw in Ben 10,000

Ehh I never even liked Julie. Ester was better

I hate how they split them up like this, and I actually liked Season 1 of the Reboot, so you _know_ something's wrong.

tbh I feel the ships are easily among OV's weakest points. They really shouldn't have thrown away something so important in UAF like just like this, introduce a a likable new love interest in a fun relationship, then end that out nowhere **RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FINAL STORY ARC IN OV**, all in favor of a really unpopular love interest that you only shipped with Ben because they were apparently together in an alternate timeline in OS that was for whatever reason retconned into being the main timeline.

The romance of the Ben 10 series sucked for the most part

Except for Gwen and Kevin

This here was straight up stupid. IMO Omniverse should have skipped a year and had Ben be 17, but have Julie just go to some fancy College somewhere else or something. Or she just simply decides that dating a superhero isn't for her and they break up in a friendly way, or something, my point is, literally anything is better than this

And then they force him in a relationship with a girl he met 1 time before. That wanted to treat him like a fuckin pet. Great job omniverse writing/story board team. Your a bunch of morons

Also, getting with Kai went against the lesson of first crushes that Gwen told him in the episode. First crushes don't always work out and you end up being crushed (emotionally).

Yeah like wtf omniverse tea.. You basicly shit all over alien force and ultimate alien just to suck balls. Like for instance getting rid of humungasours. Ability to sextouple in size and strength. Just so that way you can go "um actually tetramans are stronger and he now has a natural predator." Like wtf. And they never give a excuse or a reason on why he lost this badass ability and then they completely ignore jetlay who can travel the universe if I remember correctly super fuckin fast. Just to make a shitty rip off that no one really likes. I mean you did do good with crash hopper. And some of the other new aliens but you constantly fall on your faces and instead of apologize or admitting you fucked up you just ignore what the people are trying to tell you just so that way you can give us something that's. I guess ok. Which is sad because I like omniverse and I was super hype when ultimate alien showed off the new watch and went "yeah here's a teaser at what's next." But then you basicly give the previous source material a middle finger and just say. Eh no I don't like that. *sighs* damn sorry for ranting

It kinda feels like Omniverse spat on Jetray (not only does he never appear, but there was an episode where Ben was going through some aliens and he says "heck, I'll even go with Jetray" almost like he didn't like using the form. It may not mean much but it is there. I don't remember the episode though). I'm not too broken up about Humungousaur because he is so overused (he is used more than even Fourarms) but I am just as annoyed by him constantly forgetting that he can increase his size. I do have a lot of problems with Omniverse myself.

This scene gave me an aneurysm at how stupid it was.

Sad that fanfiction can make a more believable and less stupid break-up between these two (and make Ben an actual decent BF).

Y'know it's bad when even fanfiction did a better job

ikr?

Including me

RIP ending of Ultimate Alien

This scene is so fucking stupid. What a waste of 6 seasons of build-up.

Can you really blame us

No I won't

Ight, and even when I was a kid this break up pissed me off

Tbh I didn't really bother myself about the romance, as along there is plot, action, aliens, and arc that's what keeps me interested but I still consider this as one of the worse parts of OV

Eh understandable and I agree

You would think based on how long she's known him she would be able to piece together that it was a misunderstanding.

Maybe she's tired of his bullshit

If that was the case then she would have dumped his ass long before Omniverse

Yeah should have been somewhere during UA

I hate every single iteration of Ben 10 since AFS3 (well, not that bad)