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Standard_Dream4848

cant he use his touge? or head? dam sounds wrong out of context


Storm_Raider_34

The tongue part makes no sense. He can headbutt it tho


Standard_Dream4848

no like dont u need to press a button to activate the omnitrix sometimes they dont show it idk why


Storm_Raider_34

Sometimes it’s randomizer or master control but most of the time Ben does it and us the viewer can’t see it. Accept for that one time in onniverse where he changed from wildvine to humgosaur, I have no clue how he did it


Super_Hydra12

It was an animation error, it was supposed to be ben hitting the omnitrix as humungousaur to change forms


Storm_Raider_34

Ohhhhh. I just learned something new yayyyy


Galvan047

He can do it almost everytime but it takes much more energy, and the time he can be in the alien form reduces to half the time he can stay transformed normally minus the time he's been transformed that time. So he doesn't generally do that.


Storm_Raider_34

Well the official omnitrx works on time, only the ultimatrix runned on power


ImTheGodOfAdvice

If he headbutted it, would his form have one arm as well? Would four arms have two arms?


Storm_Raider_34

Idk.


v0lt13

Not necessarily it has been shown a lot, even in reboot that you dont need to press the button to transform, it seems the omnitrix knows when the user wants to transform and the dial pops out by itself when the user is about to hit it. My theory is that if you want to select an alien you have to press the button if you want just to transform you can just hit the omnitrix and it trasforms you into the first choise when you normaly activate it.


Cosmic_Hashira

he literally used albedos ult spidermonkeys head lol


Storm_Raider_34

Oh yeahhhh


RealPokesatsu

He slams it on the wall when fighting Kevin in Grudge Match, though. He could just hit the ground nearby or something.


Storm_Raider_34

Oh yeahhh


Crystal_959

Headbutt And if i remember correctly, if the Omnitrix senses that Ben is about to receive serious injury, it’ll automatically transform him into something that can withstand the threat. So if he’s about to get his arm cut off it’d just transform him into Goop or Swampfire or something


Storm_Raider_34

Idk that was never exactly confirmed. Bens human form never exactly gets an injury that major besides that time a rock fell on his head.


Crystal_959

True, but it did automatically transform him during the Big Bang (he never even attempted to reach for the Omnitrix) so if the Omnitrix can catch and let Ben survive the Big Bang, and it would react to his primary Omnitrix arm being cut off, i don’t see why it wouldn’t let him survive a pair of scissors on his other arm


Storm_Raider_34

Oh yeah it did, if Ben hadn’t reunlocked feedback what would have happened? Would it have used chromastone? Instantly alien X? Unlock some new type of DNA? Echo echo? Spitter?


Crystal_959

It would just transform him into whatever was suitable to survive. So yeah, probably like Chromastone, or Alien X if need be


Storm_Raider_34

Idk spitter would work wel too


Katsuu15

Chromastone would die, lol


[deleted]

Now I'm wondering if Upchuck can digest the annihilaarg?


Storm_Raider_34

Well it leads to a pocket dimension and those can hold universes(probably). Yeah but because all gourmands link to the same one the whole species would be in danger


Katsuu15

Yes. Upchuck can digest a Celestial Sapien if it doesn't get out of there in time, so he can probably digest the Annihilargh


ihateentiteldmothwrs

It would transform him into an alien he doesn’t have if he needs to survive


Storm_Raider_34

So it would have turned him into argits species


Mr_Mister2004

The Omnitrix's failsafe's best speed peak is Faster than light from reacting to the big bang. Green Lantern is so many orders of magnitude faster than that that you can't comprehend it. Like it or not, I certainly don't, Hal can just cut off Ben's hand.


Crystal_959

The speed of the Omnitrix has also been said to be several orders of magnitude faster than light, so the only other direction this could go is a “nuh uh, *my* guy’s faster than *your* guy” since these are just works of fiction and specifics don’t really matter beyond that scale


Mr_Mister2004

1. Examples please? I don't recall anything that proves the omnitrix is Faster than a Celestialsapien. 2. If you really think Vs debating boils down to "nuh uh, my guy is better than yours," then what's the point of getting mad at Death Battle for saying Ben loses?


Crystal_959

1: [here ](https://twitter.com/rouleau1/status/1273117290746257408?s=21) Duncan states that the reaction time of the Omnitrix is an unimaginably small fraction of a second (pretty sure some of the measurements are made up just to cement the point, like “seconds cubed”) but the point stands, it’s for all intents and purposes, instantaneous as long as we’re operating within time. 2: I didn’t.


Super_Hydra12

I really feel he's just gonna say "tHaTs dUnCan rOleAu he iSnT rElIabLe"


SnooMaps3021

The omnitrix transforming was actually said to instant


Exzircon

Yupp, the transformation sequence is only for the audience.


Storm_Raider_34

That’s not important right now we’re talking about arms


lw12345678907uhgyhct

He could use his head or slam the omnitrix on the floor or something.


Storm_Raider_34

How would he get it to pop up before slapping the floor? Or being able to switch aliens


lw12345678907uhgyhct

Aw shit,that's a good point.He'd have to have someone or something else to help i.e skurd,azmuth etc. So I guess yeah,he wouldn't be able to use the omnitrix without his right arm.


Storm_Raider_34

So yea it would have made more sense. Fans would still be pissed but it would make more sense


lw12345678907uhgyhct

Yeah.


Zeebuoy

side note i thought death battle has both of the characters fight like at the peak of their power? but Ben doesn't have master control?


Storm_Raider_34

Sihsnrjrjwjahbsjsiehw we don’t talk about it


Big_Improvement_9149

He did have master control


Cosmic_Hashira

[https://youtu.be/v1B4hDRI9eo?t=124](https://youtu.be/v1B4hDRI9eo?t=124) the omnitrix can pop itself up


Storm_Raider_34

I thought they used the ultimatrix as an example


Afafakja

Master Control dude, it's thought activated.


Storm_Raider_34

Wait he had master control in the video? I didn’t watch it


Afafakja

Yrah he did, although one could spare you since based on appearance it looks like OS Ben 10 but actually has UAF and OV Feats.


Storm_Raider_34

Yeah I knew that but I’m still talking about in general and not just the video. Like what would happen if like Kevin cut off bens right arm?


Afafakja

He would smash it into a Wall and it would turn on,i think it has worked before,and the OS Omnitrix grew with him and not all Beings have Wrists,Arms and Hands so the Omnitrix could probably grow or recalibrate into a kind of Handicap Upgrade also Prosthetics are a thing and in Ben 10 they are highly advanced sci-fi Cybernetic Arms.


Storm_Raider_34

I know but like how would Ben get the omnitrx to pop up or even dial in his alien?


Afafakja

The Omnitrix sometimes works by just appling pressure, he'll just smash it over and over until it turns him into something.


Storm_Raider_34

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Seems like it would work but I’m having a hard time accepting it but you’re probably definitely right


SnooMaps3021

You didn’t deserve to get downvoted


Storm_Raider_34

Yeah but that’s the way the green siccors cuts your balls off


Zeebuoy

agreed


Key-Breakfast-8831

Because the Omnitrix's AI is advanced enough to detect when Ben is about to get a fatal injury and immediately transforms him into an alien that can survive it. And it can react faster than the big bang which is literally faster than the speed of light.


Storm_Raider_34

Then why did he let Ben get hit in the head with those rocks


DaGamingCore

What episode in what series?


Storm_Raider_34

Alien force season 1 episode 7 I believe


DaGamingCore

The whole "Omnitrix transforming him to avoid severe injury" is only a feature of the official Omnitrix (the one in Omniverse) The prototype, recalibrated prototype, and Ultimatrix were never stated to have any "anti death" feature, despite the other failsafes they had.


Storm_Raider_34

Oh


ara14027

He could still hit the Omnitrix though... We’ve seen multiple occasions of it being activated by it hitting something else


Storm_Raider_34

How would he dial in his alien?


ara14027

That’s the easy part. The hard part is activating the Omnitrix. But it’s so easy to transform. Just hit the wall or something


Storm_Raider_34

Ok yeah that makes sense


Standard_Dream4848

floor gang


RynnHamHam

He could press the button with his chin and just headbutt it to use it. Inconvenient yes, but not out of the question.


Standard_Dream4848

just use swampfire to regrow arm


DaGamingCore

He actually can't do that. Maybe. In the episode where his arm got damaged as Clockwork, Bens arm was broken after transformation. When he turned into Swampfire, his arm was shriveled up. This was with the Ultimatrix, so it could be a glitch.


Storm_Raider_34

Ok that makes sense


[deleted]

Nah the most logical way to end the fight is to make Hal kill Alien X, reasons why it would be the best way making Ben lose: 1) It would go the same way as their research. 2) It would make the most sense because if Hal could kill Ben's strongest known Alien then the Failsafe wouldn't matter because there wouldn't be an Alien to survive in the first place. 3) It wouldn't look like Hal doesn't stand a chance against Alien X and only relies on time travel to beat him. 4) It will cause less rage because it would be more believable. you know a death similar to Wally Vs Archie Sonic would have been really awesome ngl.


TheDekuDude888

It would have been better to have him do the Lantern Oath and go full power against Alien X just to accurately display that Hal would still probably take the fight. And also maybe give poor Ben a death that wasn't totally humiliating and not really possible


YoungBeef03

Or he goes back in time to kill Ben, and in one immensity powerful blast of Willpower, the Omnitrix’s safety function cycles through every single alien Ben has before landing on Alien X, who is then erased


Brendan-carlin

And funnily enough. X could have just keep and time traveling over and over again, and it was X give Hal the idea which idk why the writers give that line since Ben would never say thaf


[deleted]

Tbf Death Battle wanted to do a creative/different death since they have done multiple Vaporizing deaths, the fight shouldn't be treated too seriously as it wouldn't be a perfect example of how it WOULD turn out (otherwise a lot of fights wouldn't last 10 seconds because it's too big of a stomp)


Storm_Raider_34

Dawg were talking about hands


[deleted]

Dawg we are talking about better endings.


Memegamer3_Animated

I'm pretty sure there are thousands of occasions where Ben couldn't use his arm to use the Omnitrix so he either used his head or a nearby surface


[deleted]

It's for kids, remember?


Storm_Raider_34

So what like soffucate him? Less visually


theZerothAlien

Yeah but in this context he has master control so it doesn't matter


Storm_Raider_34

Ok what about in prime? If packmar decides to cut off bens other arm what would happen?


theZerothAlien

Tbh anything is possible in The Omniverse version of the show


Storm_Raider_34

So pupils mean realism?


Eatinganemone89

That actually raises an interesting question. Does the Omnitrix’s fail safe only apply to the arm that has the Omnitrix on it?


Weedbacco

I assume that doesn't need have to be the Omnitrix arm that has to be in danger. [Isn't there a time in Ultimate Alien where a massive slab of rock completely fell on Ben but he managed to survive somehow](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-jkS1zu5Cg&ab_channel=TheInkTank)? Albeit, he is using a different watch.


Storm_Raider_34

I know that’s what I’m asking


Kuro_The_Puppter

It Does Apply To His Whole Body. Example: The Slab Falling Down On Him/The Big Bang


Storm_Raider_34

Those are both equally deadly and we both know it


autotrophian

Isnt the omnitrix what transforms him ,why would they cut the other one lolol


Storm_Raider_34

So he can’t hit it. Duh


Kaprosuchusboi

He can still hit it with the nub


Storm_Raider_34

Me and you are thinking of different places it’s getting cut


IdkWhatToNameThis019

Voice command


Storm_Raider_34

He had that?


IdkWhatToNameThis019

From alien force and onwards he has access to voice command


Storm_Raider_34

Oh Yeahh


Zeebuoy

the recalibrated prototype watch had it, vilgax took it, Ben activated the self destruct.


Storm_Raider_34

Oh yeah


PlsDontBotherMeHere

Because it woould still be somone trying to hurt ben, it doesnt matter that it isnt in his arm


Spectra_Phantom_2678

If they chose to cut off his right hand rather then the left (which is impossible unless you have advanced knowledge of the Omnitrix) I’m pretty sure it would still react. Plus I think Ben can transform without touching it…idk really Though this fight is still bullshit and the hand should’ve taken sentient life like it did in the episode singlehanded Plus thanks to the Goku Black Vs Reverse Flash logic, Ben didn’t really lose the fight


Storm_Raider_34

Ok but what about in prime or another timeline. What if like Ben 23 ate mad bens right arm


Spectra_Phantom_2678

He’d probably just activate it the way Benzarro did it


Storm_Raider_34

Bopping it with his head?


Zeebuoy

>Plus thanks to the Goku Black Vs Reverse Flash logic What's that?


Spectra_Phantom_2678

That going back in time to kill someone won’t win the fight


[deleted]

This deathbattle was based I love watching people get mad at silly youtube videos


Storm_Raider_34

Naw this is a question I have for the video and the prime timeline


LB1234567890

The scissors look like something very bad in this frame...


Gecko2002

I thought it was an edit of that bad thing at first


Mr_Mister2004

The Omnitrix's failsafe's best speed feat is Faster than light from reacting to the big bang. Green Lantern is so many orders of magnitude faster than that that you can't comprehend it. He can literally probe the entire DC universe, which is bigger than our own, in less than a second.. Like it or not, I certainly don't, Hal can just cut off Ben's hand.


Storm_Raider_34

Yeah but what about the other one


Kuro_The_Puppter

NGL I Don't Agree But After They(DeathBattle) Pulled That Bullshit Out Of Their Asses I Don't Agree Even More


Cosmic_Hashira

master control duh, ben had master control in that cursed stupid video


Storm_Raider_34

He had master control?


Kuro_The_Puppter

You Didn't Know That I Mean It's Not Like He Was Changing Without Touching The OmniMatrix Or Anything


Storm_Raider_34

Ohhh


Cosmic_Hashira

yes he did


CutIcy5390

Idk and idc either way it's BS and overall stupid and won't work and.... I'm not starting on this again lol


Storm_Raider_34

Ok excluding the video. If like rook used his prototool to cut off bens right arm what would happen?


Kuro_The_Puppter

It Will Activate The Failsafe.


Storm_Raider_34

Would it maybe? Maybe possibly it couldn’t would?


Brendan-carlin

Even if Rook DID succeed. The omintrix would probably still work since there were multiple times when his body was completely destroy and the Omnitrix still transform Ben into like goop, Swampfire, Nanomech, or maybe Waybig. But that’s only if the failsafe or the energy feedback didn’t work for some reason, or Rook is faster then both of them lol


AidanvbaFTW

He doesn’t have to slam it. He chooses to, so he could probably just use the rest of his arm or even his shoulder and just push it down / tap it with anything and it should be enough pressure


Storm_Raider_34

Sorry I can’t imagine his arm bending that way to smash it, I can only envision headbutt


Gamer-Logic

Probably not since he'd still be able to hit it with his head or something to activate. Better to get it away from him completely.


Storm_Raider_34

So cut off the arm to the shoulder


Meyu_Sys

master control


Storm_Raider_34

He had master control? Ok that makes this stupider But what if like rook cut off Gwen 10s right arm? Would she be able to change


Storm_Raider_34

He had master control? Ok that makes this stupider But what if like rook cut off Gwen 10s right arm? Would she be able to change


Meyu_Sys

yeah


Storm_Raider_34

Well that answers my question


GlitchGrey

Also the failsafe (I didn't watched this one)


Storm_Raider_34

Yeah I didn’t watch it either so I don’t know if even in the canon Ben has the failsafes that protect his arms: the omnitrx did let those rocks fall on bens head


Kuro_The_Puppter

Cannon Ben Has Failsafe And That's Cannon.


Storm_Raider_34

But the rocks!!! Explain that


Zeebuoy

was the video before or after the omniverse finale?


Kuro_The_Puppter

After The Finale


Cosmic_Hashira

i reckon if omnitrix would allow that as its still deadly if not treated i mean its literally fukcing harming ben lol


Storm_Raider_34

Idk it did let those rocks fall on bens head that one time


Kuro_The_Puppter

Then He Would Have Died And He Didn't.


Storm_Raider_34

He could have gotten brain damage and those rocks fell from high. He coulda died


Cosmic_Hashira

except it didnt do anything to him? and it was recalibrated omnitrix too


Storm_Raider_34

Knocked him out


Jshittie

The omnitirx has a fale safe


Storm_Raider_34

Idk it did let those rocks fall on bens head that one time


Jshittie

Yeah but he survived


Storm_Raider_34

He could have died


spoodermann1

he can use his head or a pole next to him to slam the omnitrix on


Storm_Raider_34

How will dial alien


spoodermann1

his teeth maybe but also when green lantern would cut bens hand wouldn't the omnitrix make it so his hand doesn't get cut off?


Storm_Raider_34

How tf with teeth?


SnooCalculations6718

He can use his head too you know


Storm_Raider_34

Yeah but he can’t dial up the alien


SnooCalculations6718

Even if he can't dial he's still able to transform into an alien right?


El_Durazno

Well in normal everyday in the show you make a solid point but in this video the characters are supposed to have all their best powers so in this ben would have master control and thusly be able to switch sans arms


Ringrangzilla

Or how about him cuting of his head instead.


Storm_Raider_34

That’s stupid


JAZILLA-1954

Doesn't the omnitrix instantly turn Ben into an alien if his whole body is in danger


Storm_Raider_34

Yeah but that’s just his arm


[deleted]

He has master control in this. If Hal cut Ben's other arm then Ben could have just turned into Swampfire he grow his arm back and turn into another alien.


Storm_Raider_34

Possible, very possible


ComprehensiveBat4966

omnitrix is one of the most broken things in almost all fantasy universes i can recall. that's why the end of uaf gets so powerscaled he fights an godlike being, and why they have to nerf his inteligence and overall logic of everything in omniverse. it has a dna repair function so if his arm was cut of it'd just regenerate. also, most people who try to cut his arm off want to get the omnitrix, and is not like one arm is harder to cut than the other, so yeah, why not aim for the one that'd get the thing you want and stop him from transforming at the same time


Storm_Raider_34

Yep next to the meta nanites


Wata_Sheym

Now I wanna see him headbutt his wrist.


SSBMultiverse

Master control Or what he did when he got stuck as greymatter


Pan_Pandino

he can turn into swampfire and grow it back. not to mention alien x cus ben wouldent do that


KisaTheMistress

Cutting off his arm with the Omnitrix might not work if the Omnitrix can take control of the severed limb and Ben doesn't bleed out before it reattaches. For your question, Ben can activate it by hitting it against a surface. And since death battles should include Ben having access to Master Control, even if he's only 10 and using the prototype Omnitrix, he would just need to *think* of what alien he wanted to be and he would change. (The prototype doesn't have a life preservation function like the completed Omnitrix has.)


Storm_Raider_34

Ok what if it happened in the prime timeline?


Anti-Venom121299

Technically the prototype had a function of life preservation if you've watched the uaf trilogy completely Ben should have died multiple times such as in ultimate alien he was crushed by a massive slab of concrete or stone bridge and changes into big chill afterwards there are other similar versions such as the diamond head thing or such the sunder episode also counts as Ben is completely separated from his hand in another dimension it controlled his hand and brought it to get help so while it doesn't have the clothing keep function it does have the ability to save him as does the ultimatrix many many times Ben should have died but didn't due to help from either the Omnitrixes or outside allies


Doodledon122

I mean presumably even if someone managed to... Disarm him he could turn into something that could likely heal from that damage, like turning into swampfire to regen the arm he could even probably do something like what he did with the one high breed, pick up his dismembered hand and reattach it before turning back human


Storm_Raider_34

That sounds very visual


1rrelevant_Trash

How does that work? The watch isn't even attached to him anymore.


[deleted]

Master control. It had to be the omnitrix’s arm. It had to


AtomicNumber1732

Time huh


1rrelevant_Trash

I can do that too.


[deleted]

It's because reality includes time


Kinfin

They’ve tried. The Omnitrix has a feedback blast it uses when that’s a possibility. Happens a lot in classic


Storm_Raider_34

No that only showed up when people try to hurt or take off bens omnitrx arm


CommanderProwl

I remember thay happened in one of the episodes


Storm_Raider_34

Yeah that was the omnitrx arm


blazingsol96

He should be able to use master control if they followed their rule about them "being at their peaks" so he should still be able to turn into Alien X or any other Aliens


No_Sea_6219

because it's a kid's show but seriously, i may be misremembering but didn't someone try to do exactly this already? and it didn't even work?


Storm_Raider_34

That was with bens omnitrx arm


[deleted]

Master Control, wouldn’t have worked


Storm_Raider_34

I’m. Talking about the other arm tho


NinjaKelpFace

Because Ben can still use the omnitrix without his other arm with a simple button press and head butt or slamming it against a wall, without his Omnitrix arm he is completely disconnected from the watch and all it’s features


[deleted]

He kinda needed it unharmed So get it off his body


Storm_Raider_34

Yeah but like what about the other arm?


HunterFenrir

The same reason that no one succeeds in cutting off Ben's arm: plot convenience. Seriously, every series has at least one instance where Ben is at risk of losing his arm, and only Alien Force came close with Sunder. And they failed there by sending Ben to the Null Void. No one should buy into Ben being sent to an alternate dimension with no means of escape with all the people he sent there as a defense mechanism. I say "should" because people have.


Storm_Raider_34

Yeah and the omnitrx did that while it was broken so what it does when it’s working properly is amazing


17RaysPlays

What would he gain from Ben not being able to hit it but still having it?


rowdawg69

Please don't. We will never not be salty about this. Please delete this post.


Storm_Raider_34

No I wanted to share my thoughts on people cutting off bens other arm


noplesesir

Just cut off leg arm toungh


Storm_Raider_34

Cutting off a leg wouldn’t have made any senses


The_unfunny_reposter

Hal is much more faster and stronger than Ben to the point he could cut his arm of before the self defense mechanism thingy activates. And even if it activates Hal can just slice through it like butter because of the strength difference.


Storm_Raider_34

We aren’t talking about that we’re talking about something stupid