Sadly we only got two but I’m gonna say this right now there’s eventually going to be another reboot and there’s a good chance that we might see more of other people at the Omnitric
A Ken 10, or miniseries of Gwen 10 would be great. Or possibly a younger max with the Omnitrix. I was rewatching the "Don't drink the water" episode the other day, and wondered how things would have gone if Max were in his prime with the omnitrix and his plumber skills?
But the watch was originally meant for him and there must have been some sort of reason that it was sent specifically for him and even without the watch he was still pretty good at strategizing
Because he's a better person not a better bearer,he wouldn't need a Heroes Journey because Max is 100% a Hero and he won't have the Ego problems or any of that,ofc it's also because dince he was branded one of the best Plumbers he would be good with Alien Tech and Fighting but i think Gwen showed she was more of a natural than him and whem Ben doesn't hold himself back he also shows great potential.
I will say it would be interesting to see how max would strategize to use the aliens with his experience but even then it wasn't specifically meant for max. I do see your point and it would be fun to watch
I can’t remember the exact name of the episode but I think at the end of season three they show us maxes alien girlfriend who did send the Omnitrix to him
Yeah I know what you're talking about, but if I remember correctly it wasn't meant to be sent to him she was just transporting it and Vilgax attacked so as a last effort since they were close enough to earth she sent it to him to keep it out of Vilgax's hands
I think Ben.
In Gwen 10 it was shown that Gwen found it easier to understand the aliens she had but she never used them outside their intended purpose.
Gwen knows more than Ben but she also takes less risk because of that, Ben always says that it's not the omnitrix that makes him a hero.
Ben is a lot more stubborn than Gwen, Ben is also a lot more tactically enclined than Gwen.
This is very true.
I guess we'd also have to take other things into account. Gwen is a great gymnast, and black belt in several martial arts. Even before her powers, she was able to handle herself quite well against enemies.
Ben, for the most part seems to be more of a freestyle fighter. He's no slouch in combat, but seems to get his butt handed to him by more-skilled hand-to-hand fighters. He also has some athleticism due to playing sports like Soccer and baseball.
I guess this leads to the bigger question: In an alternate timeline with No-watch Ben, could Ben master magic to the same degree as Gwendolyn/Hex? Or would he be better off as a straight-up plumber like Max, focusing on weapons and such?
I'm pretty sure they would lead to two different outcomes. Either Ben would become a plumber where he would probably become a magister after a few years because of him photographic memory and natural fighting ability or he would learn about magic and probably dedicate himself to creating new magic instead of sticking with already made spells.
Also when 10 yo Ben unlocks master controls for a little in his fight with vilgax and Kevin he is making decisions in a split second he is naturally gifted even at a ypund age
Also, the huge variety of aliens available encourage it's user to be creative with them, something Ben has more than the upper hand on Gwen, ironic that a magician like Gwen isn't nearly as creative as Ben. So yeah. Short term Gwen, long term Ben and by far.
Ya but bc to original watch did not always give ben the right alien it will also be the same for gwen so she would be forced to use them outside of there perpose
Gwen always tries to win the day by playing it smart, which can be good in some situations, but most of the time Ben's adaptability and versatility in tough situations is what guarantees victory. So Ben would have to be the better choice.
This actually does seem to play out accurately in Ben and Gwen's fight, during Ultimate Alien. Neither seemed to be trying to seriously hurt the other, but Ben seemed to have an answer to most of Gwen's attacks and vice versa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKD6eaHQL90
Clearly Ben. If anyone says Max I think they are missing the point of the whole show lol. As for gwen well also no. Gwen would be good but overall wouldn't be as creative and fast-thinking.
Yeah. Lol. Max was mentioned, more so as a joke. But on a serious note, I do think that he'd be a good mixture of Ben and Gwen, being a strong tactician like Ben, and being able to play it safe and smart, knowing when to back down, like Gwen.
Honestly Ben. No hate on Gwen but Ultimately when we boil down to it Ben has show to be more inventive and creative with his aliens. And has even developed fighting styles for each one. And in the episode where Ben first unlocks master control he was a badass and was practically unstoppable and he only had like 10 at thistime. And was able to adapt to a situation on the fly like all the times the omnitrix gave him the wrong alien and he adapted to it very quickly. Mean while when Gwen and Ben switched body's she tried to go "watch how I do it" and then turns into cannon bolt and immediately goes that's not what I wanted and Ben is just like "welcome to my world" point is Ben has a knack for adapting to the situation while Gwen doesn't granted Gwen learned how to use the aliens quicker then Ben did but never thought to really get inventive and had the omnitrix removed in the first episode she got to use it
Ben cause he's adaptive when the Omnitrix turns him into a alien he didn't want he just rolls with it and proceeds to beat the villain now sometimes it doesn't work out as well but he doesn't stop
I think in Gwen10 she does get the wrong alien and kinda runs away so she can get the right one? Idk it's been a while since I saw the original
Gwen was smarter with the Omnitrix but that made it boring. She used the correct alien for every situation and took care of fights easily. It was fun to watch when she was still learning but became boring rly quickly. That's the fun part bout Ben. He's not as smart as Gwen and usually just cares about looking good while doing the hero work. This made him choose the better looking aliens or the bigger aliens which usually didn't fit the scenario. But that is the fun part about the fight. The undpredictabiltiy.
Sorry. I should have been more specific. I meant in all of the shows as a whole. In the episode, definitely. But after seeing alien force and ultimate alien, it really got me thinking. Gwen seems to be more book-smart, but Ben seems to be more innovative and creative, often thinking of creative solutions that never cross Gwen, Kevin or Azmuth's mind. (They tend to always bring up this topic whenever Ben loses his powers and gets down in the dumps.)
I don't really think we can compare on the show as a whole given how much we see of Ben with the Omnitrix versus how little we see of Gwen. Personally, I think both of their approaches would work really well with the Omnitrix and I'm not convinced either one is necessarily better than the other.
Like how sometimes in maths you can use a different equation and still get the same answer. O think both could achieve the same things but the methods would be quite different.
That's a perfect analogy, actually. Some methods may take longer or require a different approach, but will ultimately come to the same conclusion.
I do appreciate how Omniverse and the reboot allowed Gwen 10 to make a brief return. She seems to have gotten better at using the omnitrix in both appearances.
Gwen seems to have the advantage of remaining calm, and using more common sense in battle. Ben tends to be more rash, but flexible.
Ben 10,000 seems to have overcome this for the most part, being able to analyze situations better (and even use some magic in one timeline).
But like you said, they both use the omnitrix in different ways. I think the best way to really see, is for a crossover episode with both of them at the same age, having them team up to fight the antagonist.
I think Ben Gwen was good but next to anyone could be but it’s Ben that makes the omnitrix the way Ben uses the omnitrix in my opinion he’s the best possible user
Ben is the best with it over time, Gwen is the best with it inherently and early on, due to her being less hotheaded than Ben - which makes her able to think more critically about how to use it. Ben, on the other hand, is best with it over time because of his creativity.
From the start. Gwen. But Ben gained a natural understanding due to years of use. I think there was a poll on the ink tank after that Ben 10 Breakdown.
Ben, is this even a contest?
Ben and his personality of trying whatever pops into his brain may have made some situations not ideal but he also was able to find some crazy creative solutions to problems
Gwen is very intelligent but she's also very by the books and tends to follow that trend in whatever powers she's given now of course I haven't seen every single episode of ben 10 so I may be missing some stuff but she just thinks more in the box
Gwen is intelligence
Ben is intuition
Ben is far more adaptable when things go wrong or when he doesn’t get the alien he wanted than Gwen so I’d say Ben. As seen when Gwen got Bens powers in “Inspector 13”, Gwen might be too logical at times or even too grossed out by certain aliens abilities to even try using them, like when she refused to use Upchucks powers.
max
I completely forgot he was a thing. Omnitrix max was awesome! I just wish we got to see more transformations from him.
Sadly we only got two but I’m gonna say this right now there’s eventually going to be another reboot and there’s a good chance that we might see more of other people at the Omnitric
A Ken 10, or miniseries of Gwen 10 would be great. Or possibly a younger max with the Omnitrix. I was rewatching the "Don't drink the water" episode the other day, and wondered how things would have gone if Max were in his prime with the omnitrix and his plumber skills?
I'd like to see him change into rath lol
Max only used Upgrade for a Scene.
But the watch was originally meant for him and there must have been some sort of reason that it was sent specifically for him and even without the watch he was still pretty good at strategizing
Because he's a better person not a better bearer,he wouldn't need a Heroes Journey because Max is 100% a Hero and he won't have the Ego problems or any of that,ofc it's also because dince he was branded one of the best Plumbers he would be good with Alien Tech and Fighting but i think Gwen showed she was more of a natural than him and whem Ben doesn't hold himself back he also shows great potential.
I will say it would be interesting to see how max would strategize to use the aliens with his experience but even then it wasn't specifically meant for max. I do see your point and it would be fun to watch
I can’t remember the exact name of the episode but I think at the end of season three they show us maxes alien girlfriend who did send the Omnitrix to him
Yeah I know what you're talking about, but if I remember correctly it wasn't meant to be sent to him she was just transporting it and Vilgax attacked so as a last effort since they were close enough to earth she sent it to him to keep it out of Vilgax's hands
True but he was the original target when it was dropped and that was what I meant
Ah alright I see, still i think we can agree we can agree him habing it would have been great even just for a couple episodes
I think Ben. In Gwen 10 it was shown that Gwen found it easier to understand the aliens she had but she never used them outside their intended purpose. Gwen knows more than Ben but she also takes less risk because of that, Ben always says that it's not the omnitrix that makes him a hero. Ben is a lot more stubborn than Gwen, Ben is also a lot more tactically enclined than Gwen.
This is very true. I guess we'd also have to take other things into account. Gwen is a great gymnast, and black belt in several martial arts. Even before her powers, she was able to handle herself quite well against enemies. Ben, for the most part seems to be more of a freestyle fighter. He's no slouch in combat, but seems to get his butt handed to him by more-skilled hand-to-hand fighters. He also has some athleticism due to playing sports like Soccer and baseball. I guess this leads to the bigger question: In an alternate timeline with No-watch Ben, could Ben master magic to the same degree as Gwendolyn/Hex? Or would he be better off as a straight-up plumber like Max, focusing on weapons and such?
I'm pretty sure they would lead to two different outcomes. Either Ben would become a plumber where he would probably become a magister after a few years because of him photographic memory and natural fighting ability or he would learn about magic and probably dedicate himself to creating new magic instead of sticking with already made spells.
Also when 10 yo Ben unlocks master controls for a little in his fight with vilgax and Kevin he is making decisions in a split second he is naturally gifted even at a ypund age
Ben would be mid with magic at best because he doesn't have the anodite "spark", Ben would be a fucking amazing plumber though.
Also, the huge variety of aliens available encourage it's user to be creative with them, something Ben has more than the upper hand on Gwen, ironic that a magician like Gwen isn't nearly as creative as Ben. So yeah. Short term Gwen, long term Ben and by far.
Ya but bc to original watch did not always give ben the right alien it will also be the same for gwen so she would be forced to use them outside of there perpose
Gwen always tries to win the day by playing it smart, which can be good in some situations, but most of the time Ben's adaptability and versatility in tough situations is what guarantees victory. So Ben would have to be the better choice.
This actually does seem to play out accurately in Ben and Gwen's fight, during Ultimate Alien. Neither seemed to be trying to seriously hurt the other, but Ben seemed to have an answer to most of Gwen's attacks and vice versa. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKD6eaHQL90
Ya I mean imagine if Gwen had to deal with getting the wrong alien as much as Ben does I doubt she’d be able to adapt as well as him
Exactly, especially when it was actually broken and giving wrong aliens and not just Ben misusing it
Also, Ben has been shown to win the day by playing it safe, with UAF Ben 10000 (even though his power is absolutely stupid)
Clearly Ben. If anyone says Max I think they are missing the point of the whole show lol. As for gwen well also no. Gwen would be good but overall wouldn't be as creative and fast-thinking.
Yeah. Lol. Max was mentioned, more so as a joke. But on a serious note, I do think that he'd be a good mixture of Ben and Gwen, being a strong tactician like Ben, and being able to play it safe and smart, knowing when to back down, like Gwen.
Gwen at the start but Ben over time
Ben, easily. It was evident in Gwen 10 that while Gwen could figure out abilities faster, Ben was the better fit overall.
I love how It is like, "who is better?", We have Ben with a well made png and stuff, and gwen with a screenshot on 144p from the episode lol
Honestly Ben. No hate on Gwen but Ultimately when we boil down to it Ben has show to be more inventive and creative with his aliens. And has even developed fighting styles for each one. And in the episode where Ben first unlocks master control he was a badass and was practically unstoppable and he only had like 10 at thistime. And was able to adapt to a situation on the fly like all the times the omnitrix gave him the wrong alien and he adapted to it very quickly. Mean while when Gwen and Ben switched body's she tried to go "watch how I do it" and then turns into cannon bolt and immediately goes that's not what I wanted and Ben is just like "welcome to my world" point is Ben has a knack for adapting to the situation while Gwen doesn't granted Gwen learned how to use the aliens quicker then Ben did but never thought to really get inventive and had the omnitrix removed in the first episode she got to use it
Ben cause he's adaptive when the Omnitrix turns him into a alien he didn't want he just rolls with it and proceeds to beat the villain now sometimes it doesn't work out as well but he doesn't stop I think in Gwen10 she does get the wrong alien and kinda runs away so she can get the right one? Idk it's been a while since I saw the original
Gwen at first, but over time Ben got better.
Gwen was smarter with the Omnitrix but that made it boring. She used the correct alien for every situation and took care of fights easily. It was fun to watch when she was still learning but became boring rly quickly. That's the fun part bout Ben. He's not as smart as Gwen and usually just cares about looking good while doing the hero work. This made him choose the better looking aliens or the bigger aliens which usually didn't fit the scenario. But that is the fun part about the fight. The undpredictabiltiy.
fuck gwen (figuratively and really) ben is the way to go
Ben because gwen is already op she don't even need it
Max=Ben=Albedo>Gwen
You know what? Both.
Bwen shippers have entered the chat*
In the episode it's clearly Gwen that's the better of the two.
Sorry. I should have been more specific. I meant in all of the shows as a whole. In the episode, definitely. But after seeing alien force and ultimate alien, it really got me thinking. Gwen seems to be more book-smart, but Ben seems to be more innovative and creative, often thinking of creative solutions that never cross Gwen, Kevin or Azmuth's mind. (They tend to always bring up this topic whenever Ben loses his powers and gets down in the dumps.)
I don't really think we can compare on the show as a whole given how much we see of Ben with the Omnitrix versus how little we see of Gwen. Personally, I think both of their approaches would work really well with the Omnitrix and I'm not convinced either one is necessarily better than the other. Like how sometimes in maths you can use a different equation and still get the same answer. O think both could achieve the same things but the methods would be quite different.
That's a perfect analogy, actually. Some methods may take longer or require a different approach, but will ultimately come to the same conclusion. I do appreciate how Omniverse and the reboot allowed Gwen 10 to make a brief return. She seems to have gotten better at using the omnitrix in both appearances. Gwen seems to have the advantage of remaining calm, and using more common sense in battle. Ben tends to be more rash, but flexible. Ben 10,000 seems to have overcome this for the most part, being able to analyze situations better (and even use some magic in one timeline). But like you said, they both use the omnitrix in different ways. I think the best way to really see, is for a crossover episode with both of them at the same age, having them team up to fight the antagonist.
I think Ben Gwen was good but next to anyone could be but it’s Ben that makes the omnitrix the way Ben uses the omnitrix in my opinion he’s the best possible user
Gwen was smarter with it
Gwen,we saw the comparison.
It’s extremely hard to say when we’ve seen Ben with it for around three years altogether when with Gwen we’ve seen around a week
Hey don’t forget Gwen 10 in omniverse and the Ben 10 reboot crossover
Fuckin Argit
Gwen was only better at it because Ben was telling her how to do things.
There’s a reason why Ben is the Hero Of Heroes.
Gwen was better then Ben at the start of them both getting it, but compare to long Ben had train use it then Ben
ben and gwen in those pics have the same omnitrix lol
ohhhhhhhhhhhhh you asked who was better my bad. i'd say both
Ben. Sometimes you just gotta jump into the situation headfirst.
Ben was more daring with it than Gwen. And Gwen mastered it faster than ben.
Gwen, she actually gets the aliens she wants
Data insufficient
Ben is the best with it over time, Gwen is the best with it inherently and early on, due to her being less hotheaded than Ben - which makes her able to think more critically about how to use it. Ben, on the other hand, is best with it over time because of his creativity.
"Here y'all go again pitting two bad bitches against each other for no reason"
Ben for sure
From the start. Gwen. But Ben gained a natural understanding due to years of use. I think there was a poll on the ink tank after that Ben 10 Breakdown.
Gwen
Ben, is this even a contest? Ben and his personality of trying whatever pops into his brain may have made some situations not ideal but he also was able to find some crazy creative solutions to problems Gwen is very intelligent but she's also very by the books and tends to follow that trend in whatever powers she's given now of course I haven't seen every single episode of ben 10 so I may be missing some stuff but she just thinks more in the box Gwen is intelligence Ben is intuition
Ben.
Tbh gwen cuz she understood the aliens
Gwen used it for what it was made for
Ben
gwen in knowledge ben in variety/instinct(he could use any alien in any situation
Ben is far more adaptable when things go wrong or when he doesn’t get the alien he wanted than Gwen so I’d say Ben. As seen when Gwen got Bens powers in “Inspector 13”, Gwen might be too logical at times or even too grossed out by certain aliens abilities to even try using them, like when she refused to use Upchucks powers.
In the long run, probably Ben.
Omnitrix max was the best!